and now they are looking for a new roads for the new place to go. and uh, i guess even easier, it is one of the best place in the world for you. i think it's free to call see, and the nature is fantastic. out of the $3000000000.00 us dollar target innovation has already reported investing 32 percent of its total and a tourism and created economy in the 1st quarter of the year. as the number of freshman tourist grows in indonesia, the collaborations also hope to boost in a nation tourism to russia, especially on how tourism. exploring numerous opportunities as both governments work to break down barriers in between. the president of zimbabwe has called for dialogue in the occurrence ukraine, that conflict, emerson, among god go. i made that statement and an exclusive interview with archie on the sidelines of the st. petersburg international economic form, and i'd like to shift the attention of our conversation now to obviously something that's a big topic all across the media across the entire world. that's ukraine. conflict,

of course, let them are putting us consistently said he's ready to sit down at the negotiating table, come to a peace agreements, whereas the western countries, some of the key of government seem to be reluctant to do that. why do you think that is why? why are they unwilling to come to a peace agreements? let me assure you as and, but was policy useful that we promoted, that a way of, of this conflict between and part of the world as done, sees that we should to pretty much data. so we have it as conflict position is that uh, let us put them on dental because with the dental, you remove the issue of diagnose people because you're talking talk, you may not agree, but this is a better way to talk and find yourselves what? well, what would you say um, how would you assess the move by many western countries? now that i mean, this is a clear escalation where they've said that western supplied weapons can be used to

strike russian territory. how would you assess the, the effects that, that decision is going to have the loop? they make their own decisions, but we, in the same as in bob, what with colorful is done. look these in conflict to area or for disagreement. let the lead us did up and go for dialogue in the resolve issues of difference of because of the sort of deadlock, not to move decision where people die. when websites know we need data and i believe the delicate needs of ministers fit both assessment into the festival was it was all doing the she does, didn't realize that doesn't necessarily go for that. look the 2nd to a 2nd to also contribute to you soon. so it's a good listen to realize that and what they were going to do. we may have,

it ends at a tab by why have another jimmy, instead of just going slipped for jimmy towards it, the temple or based on the statements made by various person, politicians. i would say the russian government is probably in agreement with you there, but many are still asking the question now. who should they be conducting the dialogue with? because after all, learners, lensky is elected, presidential term has already expired, and he said that they're not gonna hold elections in the near future. so would you say that the lensky is the legitimate person that needs to be had a dialogue with or would you say that there's another part in ukraine that wouldn't be better to sit down at the negotiating table? no, i would not identify individuals is this is most of the book this with more and that is the most of them where they think of it then goes like in the course it's nose no in the course it was in the table. that's what it is. you should do to be the

judy of the season by willing myself to say x is the correct person to talk to. no. but those lines closer to know as to who a conflict with them. and then they must come to dental. it is of you will be airing the full version of the exclusive interview here on our tea later today to stay with us us and up next on the what's the lowest? ontario to discuss is a critical importance of a suppliers bye. for now, the, [000:00:00;00]

the 2024 has been a busy year for whistle blowers. we've all seen the media reports of whistle blowers coming out of the f. b. i. the internal revenue service and other us government entities. we've seen media reports about crooked hospital administrators, criminal bank executives, and stock market cheap. and i'm not talking about just in the united states. beer pen union has taken action to further protect whistle blowers and member countries . but in several african countries, there has been back sliding on with the flow of protection. and in some of those countries with the floors lives are actually in danger. i'm john to react to

welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 there has been so many important whistle blowers over the years. big names like daniel ellsberg, edward snowden, bradley burke, and felt any meshawn and catherine gun just to name a few. that you wouldn't be wrong to think that official opinion, the opinion of governments had changed. so that these truth tellers were protected for their revelations, but that's not necessarily the case. certainly many countries have moved forward on with the blower protection. the european union immediately comes to mind, but the us and u. k. are not among those forward thinking countries in most cases at least involving government with sub lowers the us and u. k. site. national security is the reason for not welcoming new disclosures. and indeed, they use the espionage act and the official secrets act respectively to prosecute

whistle blowers. but why hasn't more been done to protect private sector whistle blowers? why do people who global whistle on waste fraud abuse, illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety at big pharma, in international banking, international conglomerates, and elsewhere still face be on tampered raf of their companies. where are the protections for these whistle blowers? our next guest jane turner was a trailblazer at the federal bureau of investigation. she joined the fbi i in 1978 and became the organization's 1st swats member swat is the special weapons and tactics team. she investigated some of the most high profile crimes of the last 40 years, including the abortion clinic bombings and the central park prep the murder. she was involved in the capture of christopher boyce, whose story was told in the film the self in in the snowman. and she worked on the

case of gary allan ridgeway the notorious green river killer, who murdered 49 women in washington state. in 1999 jane turner brought to the attention of her management team, serious misconduct concerning failures to investigate and prosecute crimes against children on native american reservations in north dakota. she also reported on the criminal theft of property from the 911 ground, 0 crime scene. and just to make matters worse, her superiors discriminated against her just because she was a smart and accomplished woman. in the end, jane turner sued the f. b, i and she won a large monetary settlement beyond that, government watchdog groups used her case to demand that the f, b i and the broader federal government address the issues of whistle blowing and retaliation. jane now heads the national whistle blower center in washington. jane, thanks so much for joining us. it's great. seeing you again,

your work with whistle blowers literally every single day across industries, whether it's from government, the military or the private sector. what does the landscape look like for whistle blowers compared to a year ago or 2 years ago? is it getting better or worse? well that's a really good question, john. it's. 7 i think better it gets better every year of what's happening now is we're reaching out to international whistle blowers and we're really getting together with those leaders over in europe who are heading a whistle blower organizations. and it's quite exciting. and of course now the d. o j is looking at establishing a whistle blower office, which if it happens would be revolutionary. i've seen in the press that the department of justice has initiated a whistleblower program and that there is currently a public comment phase. what can you tell us about that program and might it be a model for elsewhere and government?

well, i'll tell you, this is exciting news. what is happening is uh on a plane like the department of justice put out an inquiry program. it's a 90 day sprint, they call it and it is to start its own whistleblower rewards program. that is quite exciting because there's, you know, whistle blowers have sat on the other side in court with the department of justice. so for them to embrace whistle blowers is revolutionary. but they've started this 90 day sprint, which is how they call it to get input about this program that would be established at the department of justice. and we're hoping and advocating for everyone to go to the national with some lower center web and sign the petition. it's critically important because to help this program would help whistle blowers

tremendously. and of course their calling for the national was the lower center, has written to deal j and asked them to make a, not the most and confidential reporting channels for whistleblowers establishment of the office, which would be revolutionary. like i said, the inclusion of whistle blowers involved in criminal misconduct. so they have a way to voice their truth and get some awards. and of course the discretionary administration of awards. it's quite exciting. and if we could get people to sign that petition, it would change the world. it really would. they based on the fcc award system, which has been incredibly successful and brought in millions and millions of dollars. you are heavily involved in an anti corruption conference at the national

whistle blower center. much of the consulting work that i've done related to whistle blowing has been around the issue of anti corruption. tell us about the conference and about what you hope to accomplish their well, the conference hopefully brings in people from all different elements, you know, with the dodd frank. and what that has done is established in the financial industry, tremendous awards. and you've seen a more people have gotten anonymously a, a $110.00 to $110000000.00 a wildly successful, more than they can handle. so this anti corruption, a policy or program is to include more whistle blowers more than just what is in the financial realm and it should be highly successful gain. why is whistle blowing sometimes so partisan?

i'm speaking about government was the blowing here was the blower goes public about a conversation that donald trump has with the foreign leader. and the whistle blower is labeled a democratic hack f b. i. agents go public about the 100 by laptop and they're labeled. busy as republican hex, why is that? well, as you and i both know it is to marginalize the whistleblower. that is the simple explanation. you can uh try to destroy them with one slash for your pin. um i, i've been disheartened by what's happened with the f b i whistle blowers and then being branded that way because it's just not there. but that's how you know, i remember when we came out, if you were a woman whistleblower, you fell under the knots and slots. right. if you were a male on they referred to, you was a crank. this just happens to be the new way of kind of handling whistle blowers

not only taking your security clearance, but labeling new is partisan. unfortunate. please stay with us jane. we're going to talk about trends in with the blowing and why laws and public opinion haven't kept up with those trends after we take a short break. so stay tuned. we'll be right back. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best most i'll send send up the in the 65 to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz full

neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the tv service was able to twist, which is the known in vietnam, the vietnam war. last, it's almost 2 decades and drained in numerous countries. not any time we have now, and then you don't see a number. what is all on the empty? hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to back the south vietnamese on me. i got that not meant to supply the american soldiers,

limited resistors mercilessly burned down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals and lee by all right, did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did and on the via the means veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. that's a ways to the late but yes, the welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto we're speaking with famed f b. i whistleblower jane turner. she's also the director of the national whistleblower center based in washington dc. good to have you with this jane. pleasure to be on your program to explain these programs through whistle blowers and advocate for them. james,

i'd like to discuss the official responses to whistle blowing. i recently attended an event on capitol hill in honor of to whistle blowers from the internal revenue service who were given an award for the work on the hunter biden case. this was a well publicized event. it was honoring to whistle blowers who had been in the news. and besides senator charles grassley, who's a well known friend too, and supporter of whistle blowers, nobody showed up nobody besides their friends and a small group of other whistleblowers. why do you think that is there are 535 members of congress? why do you think that only one thought that this was an event where the of his time . wow, i'm very disheartened to hear that john. uh, that makes me very sad. i, i did not, i did not hear about that, but you're right, you know, even in minnesota here i cannot get my senators to get involved amy clover char as

close the door. um it's uh, i think they're afraid they're afraid to support a whistle blower and it worries me that grassley may be gone at the, at the next election that that makes me very sad because who do we have to advocate for us on the hill? i hope some step forward. i really do that makes me very sad john to yeah, me too. i've spoken recently with an increasingly large number of whistle blowers in the private sector who reach out to me and ask for advice. most of these whistle blowers are involved, either in medical care or in pharmaceuticals. and in the meantime, we're seeing more and more reporting about waste fraud and abuse in those industries. do you think that's a co incidence, or are you seeing a trend from where you said well, i'll tell ya, it seems like we're getting more and more whistle blowers are stepping forward. which tells you the culture surrounding whistle blowers might be changing,

which is great. as you know, we're trying to make national whistleblower date permanent. we have also had a petition for that to go forward with making it permanent. we think it's time to honor the whistleblower which is or to see change from decades ago as you know, you've suffered through it. i suffered through it and we're trying to change the culture surrounding it. and so we're doing these things like making national was a low blower day permit of by trying to get this office of whistleblower in the department of justice. what a wonderful thing to have. people in pharmaceutical, other areas like that medical could certainly, uh, uh, put in their claim there at the department of justice. it wouldn't be a wonderful thing to happen. and we've got to get everybody on board to sign

a petition up for this office to be established in the deal j. critically important . critically and another question that i get jane is about attorneys. there are very few attorneys out there who focus on whistle blowing, and so it's very difficult to find representatives who actually know the world of whistle blowing. is that improving in your experience or is there a shortage of whistleblower attorneys? there's definitely a shortage of knowledgable whistle blower attorneys. it's definitely a lacking in that spirit. and the reason, of course, is 2 things. first of all, the d o j has made it dreamily a lengthy process to accomplish a whistle blower. it takes you and i both know that it takes years and years and years. so i think here again, if we can get an office

a deal j that might change the blockades that they set up. they're supposed to set up these block h. um so you know, that's one reason it's steven comb with mike kate, you said i know your case is the same. went for almost 15 years. i mean that's ridiculous. you think any attorney wants to take the case that last 15 years? no. no, no, that doesn't happen. so very few are willing to jump in. some of the ones who do are not knowledgeable, and you have to be knowledgeable about these incredibly confusing rules. they're terrible on regarding whistle blowing in the process to and i think it's getting better, more and more jumping in because you know why monetary awards a, get a big chunk of the monetary rewards that are now awarded to whistle blowers. so

again, that's why we need the d o j office, a whistleblower in, in order to get these awards that make more attorneys feel that this is lucrative and worth their time. jane would, can you tell us about the co operation between american whistle blowing organizations like the national was of lower center and whistle blowing organizations overseas? i'm thinking particularly of the myriad of whistleblower protection groups in the u . k. or the european union, or perhaps even something like blueprint for free speech and australia. oh, you bet there is close cooperation. steven cohen has gone over to england. worked with the. busy w b, whistle blowers of the u. k. and i know the executive director stream like, well, i've been to her house. we work very closely with the u. k. right now there's a conference is going to happen in june and greece and i am on assume panel for that,

jackie garrick of whistle blowers of. busy america is going over there. so yes and south africa, i host whistle blowers from there all the time on my part guess whistleblower of the week. so this is the change we're seeing is this interface thing with the international whistle blowers. and we're also providing training which they desperately need because uh, they're about 15 years behind us in terms of whistle blower law. and how about, you know, work with whistle blowers. so those organizations you have mentioned us are wonderful and they're and they're really working hard to kind of bring our whistle blower programs into their countries. steven has been on the road a lot national, which of lower center staff has just returned from mexico and

a conference down there. so this is the future of whistle blowing. is this anti corruption? oh, focus and getting them up to speed kind of where we're at. and we're certainly not hitting on all cylinders here, but we're working hard to try to get there. this office of whistleblower at the department of justice would be incredibly positive for the whistle blower world. that's why it's so important and your whistle blowers go to the website. uh the national was the lower center and sign that petition. and if they've got a few loose coins in their pocket, also go to go fund me and support whistle blowers. we're trying to get a lobbyist upon the hill to advocate for with support. here again, you know, how important the lobbyist is. it's about the only way you can get things done in washington. absolutely true. absolutely true. finally, jane,

what do you think the near term future holds for whistle blowers? is that landscape improving or is it worsening? and has your advice for would be, was the blowers changed at all over the past year? so a well, that's a good question john. and i'll tell you we're having our national whistle blower day on july 31st. and what do you see? the crowds get bigger and bigger, and i hope you'll attend this year. you wonder if that's an incredible it's on the hill. and it's an incredibly time a gathering tribal gathering for whistle blowers and july 31st of this year. and they will have some incredible people there, and i see whistle blowers cold less the much more than they used to. there was a lot of in fighting inviting. i'm struggling for control. i think those days are over. i really do. um, we're working hard on getting whistle blowers on the same page aimed in the same

direction like this office, a whistleblower at the department of justice. and that's critically important if you need to have a good lawyer if you're going to have a whistleblower case. but i'll tell you this office of list of lower department of justice if that comes to reality, that's a check part. that is an incredible happening so i really, really like your listeners to do those 2 things. go to the national, was the blower center sign? the petition for the office, the whistleblower at department of justice, which would be a see change and go to go fund me. support whistle blowers and give some coins out of your pocket. some paper out of your pocket and the support whistle blowers so we can get a lobbyist up on the hill. and thank you john for all you do for whistle. busy yours, i mean,

this is why we're making positive changes is because of people like you or bringing the word to the masses or getting with lowers together. i cannot tell you how important you are in the world whistle blowing. i cannot emphasize enough what youtube have. jane turner, thank you so much for joining us. thomas jefferson, who was one of the founding fathers of the united states and who served as the country's 3rd president, one said quote, honesty is the 1st chapter in the book of wisdom and quote, honesty and was flowing. go hand in hand, forgive me if i sound like a broken record, but the internationally recognized definition of whistle blowing is bringing to light. any evidence of waste, fraud, abuse, illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety. it really is as simple as that, not every thing in life is a shade of gray. not everything in life must be rationalized. some things are black

and white right or wrong. it's the whistle blower who holds government corporations and others to account. it's all for the public good. and that's why as difficult as the road may be, we need more and more whistle blowers. thanks for joining us for another episode of the with the blowers. i'm john kerry. aku, please follow me on subject at john kerry echo. we'll see you next. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the, the, the,

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the, the, the, the, the current in strikes killed 22 people in residential areas of the car. so i'm region just hours after another deadly attack on the city of gas. pressure points, the finger at the west for disregarding and civilian lives in new printing and russia. there is no doubt that the western delegations, the convene, un security council meetings truly do not care about the humanitarian situation in ukraine or the suffering of civilians in the country. let alone the boarder regence of russia. when it comes to nuclear escalation, we never started this rhetoric,