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the world's most populated country, largest democracy in 5th to biggest economy in the face attends general election is now longest standing. 5 minutes in there under moody failed to get an outright majority for his v. j. p. for the 1st time since being in power, what has led to the indian government is waning popularity against the backdrop of its supports fil, a genocidal israel in the middle east. russia as well with nato through ukraine load, a potential new conflict between the us and china to tie one. joining me again from india is capital new delhi is a former advisor to india, is national security council and emeritus professor of strategic studies in new daddy's sense of a policy research professor from a true lady. thank you so much for a heads up our coming back on. it doesn't say much about exit polls in your country . uh, kimberly. but the international media sent over for media are in the most of the world, just copied it down and said it would be a land slide. what happened in the so called fastest growing economy in the world?

why is they don't go to a majority? that's a good question. i wish we had a clear answer to that. the fact is that the inboard is there with a stunning surprise, but denying more being so beach of your body and outside the door to the bottom and sent back is unlikely to effect this template the a direction of more these to tom government. the primary reason is that the b to b contesting the election in alliance with several small political groups. and this correlation together as one of the job, you know, seats environment. is there a busy r i n d i a. what is that? i mean, obviously it spells india, but this is one of the coalitions all the silver, all these bodies, they are several of these groups. they are provincial groups based in indian

states. they have no national agenda, no, no national victory. so these proven, sure. oops, uh, allied with a b, j b. the fact is like, lying on support from some of these groups is unlikely to have a direct bearing on bodies and actually tend on this form pharmacy. how do we know that as a professor, how do we know what i mean to say this is chandra chandra by move in. i do from the t the p policy in the under per dash he's currently on bail over ongoing prosecution for a ledge. misappropriation of $44.00 and a half $1000000.00 mentor unemployed youth, who denies the allegations of the prosecution who easy and how do you know that she doesn't want anything for the body? government in return for support? well now to my dues vision is limited to honor for the some of the guy on the dish come are was vision is limited to the state of the ha or so these are,

as i said, state level leaders, that bodies also state level bodies. they have no, no national ideas, no national minds. they will allow movies, government to run onyx actual agenda on its foreign policy. yeah, the foreign policy of a laser, then as you were saying, so surely they would care desperately about the catastrophic nature of india's economy. i mean, don't you think in return for making moody prime minister, they want a new economy minister instead of normal era as at the roman and none of these regional politicians would seek to be the pronouncement of strong india with this uh, as i said,

because the to their state and therefore if they want to be a federal minister, it will be far, you know, maybe this. so the homeless or defense minister may be a problem or even developing his stomach thinks like, um minister florida health care or send relations. yeah, let's camp up because every college of example, he said nodded to the local people at this stage. never. they wouldn't like one of those portfolios, but certainly not for 9, certainly not foreign affairs. and no, no, nor do i think any of them wants to be the defense, but it's probably there. yeah, we'll get onto that into foreign policy. and it is active, as i said, but so call me this china over 800000000 out of poverty. famously in the past, 40 years and years seen 670000000, get a one percent increase in we'll say, just in 201773 percent of that. well, it's going to the richest one percent. it's

a deeply and secure country. is it not, in terms of it's increasing inequality while the 1000000000 is, or was it over 200000000 is in india 1000000000 as fortunes up 10 times over 10 years. and they have a total world higher than india's budget, and $63000000.00 and pushing them over to you every year. surely these regional king make is that allow moody to become prime minister will want massive funding to sold out their provinces in the india or otherwise they going to face riots a civil disobedience. i think um, i think these visual leaders would like, made the federal government spending on wednesday as it is and is a subsidy. bill has been spinal name because movie has be quite focused on being lower historically marginalized glasses. so here's the welfare schemes

have expanded the subsidy bill has gone through the room and these potentially goes with them on with that. but it seems as far as the quality is concerned, that it's not against that capitalism by its late h ha. remotes inequality, and not many people notice that china, even though is the communist state, is more on a quote that india, if you go by i'm, is what bank data a. so good quality. yeah. as an invoice, the i as well, bank nature, i agree, argument washer, to good sense of data. never low. of course the 800000000 out of poverty one is name f one kaylee a lot of the global. so i don't trust that data intrinsically because they're washington institutions against it, but okay, you talk about that that you are saying moody is it is highest household that and now 87 percent debt to g d p ratio,

which is days away now from the indian solver and debt entering the global debt market. is that going to affect you for moody has to make deals on that and you're saying he's not going to have to do anything in return. what about the fact that the united states and so much in being debt and rich just strangely, i presume maurice just being a vehicle from which fine ownership of indian solver and death is, is both. is this going to affect india? i mean, check the china has own some of the debt has been supporting in effect the social welfare programs, you know, saying moody is being responsible for both indebtedness as a problem. i guess. okay, not a heavily in the nation. and certainly it's not coming heavily in the nation. it needs to get it's, um, it's not as as an order. so let's go there for sure. the last actually are actually

has narrowed. so there's some encouraging signs. in other words, the fastest growing media economy in the last mansion layer, which ended just on march 31st. in the cvb group, i eat wine to a person. that's a very impressive growth. in fact, even though the last one or india's growth was very impressive, and in contrast, china's or that it belonged to nomic well, as we actually compliment. so the fact is that it is the subject tree looking like robust and after the election results. what do you think that that is that um would represent the quote unquote new chapter of big positions. but in india to practice politics, positions tend to feel division, especially when they challenge infringed interest. we saw that in, well,

the 2nd time you had to repeal as bomb reform laws up to your opposition, back or test. now those was the farm laws. were quite meaningful. this talk to the associations, not just demonstrations in world history. and when you talk about comparing economic growth, of course many people saying the indian godfrey gives of 8 percent look impressive of that. just because an indian collapse economic age during the cove it. and when you talk about fiscal rectitude, you sound like the new liberalism of the congress by the end, the b j. b that have got india into the mess that it is. and to not unlike communist china saving the lives of 800000000 people, instead just creating stratified a polling lee on equal of cost more starvation in sub saharan africa and so on. and in fact, that is why, of course, moody has to rely on culture,

was to get people indians attacking indians for political game. although it's fail this time to an extent i think you big of a dock and on the big picture. the fact is that, or india has a very successful in listing, the bought a property, it has been doing that. i remarked the base if you will speak to common indians at the cross of that room. they all describe how their lives have improved significantly in the nomic project 3 is quite impressive. the fact is that even get be as important challenge as given that size evidence diversity, yet cheapens of india should not be built into and why the can be achieved. what's the place? why is the last is the majority and it is remarkable as a yeah,

it is remarkable how few people they brought out of poverty compared to china in the same period. no india in india, as it ran, is as impressive. not more impressive than china as the fact is that india began late by the way, it's lifting the rate at which people are being left. her a property is in the rate is even higher than what china had achieved. but as far as why the b g b does not translate its economic success into what's in the parliamentary democracy and here what's not on translate into seats. for example, the beach, i pres washington, i really only declined by a point 7 percent compared to the national election. and the last election,

the beach and b one are combining majority in front of a and now with just a decline of 0.7 percent of the word share its shape total. it line by more than i think 6363 seats in the bottom. so that's what i promise deficient in is each one with the marches and finding what share because that's the actions i mean. yeah. depend on how many candidates they are in each store. and see all, you know, how many words get divided across different bodies and candidates. so it's very difficult to, to not to look at seats and saying that this represents a big review to one body or the other example, if you take the main opposition body being the national congress and only 199 seats

in the bottom. and that's what a half times less than the b j. b. and yet caused so many less than publications. this was a great selection for the national congress. so i think this process all in the election needs to be needs to be corrected because the directions of india a one or last on very narrow ships in it one. okay. well well know when you get the one. okay. good. show that the indians in any way uncomfortable to the rise of china, but professor july the, i'll stop you the more from before my advisor doing this national security council after this break the,

the, the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the marriage is professor of strategic studies, a new daily sense of, of policy research. professor brown after laney professor, you were just talking about the intricacies of why we shouldn't interpret moody, getting, failing to get the majority as a failure of the b j. b. actually he did the about the same. and as you said, major propaganda read, you had judging of fall to favorably the, the congress, a policy that lost a game. but actually speaking of democracy, the power of only galks is the infamous in west style democracies in nature,

nations, especially media magnates, of course, in western europe or in britain, in the united states. we have a model, it was this election fair given you have a, i mean you might want to tell me in the tv and you did the tv, a big tv station on by the a dining group. is your media or increasingly being owned by these all the gods they've been enriched by on the liberal system with these 1000000000 is rising to huge amounts of all the gothic power, semi fuel power in india, while the massive stuff well, um it is cool like, uh, in other democracies, you'll see all the docs by media ropes. that's happening there too. is a consolidation happening. but i think if you look at the picture, this election was not just democratic exercise. but how is it fair if

uh, the media is controlled by pro moody groups? oh, there is media in those media there. there's problem or the media. there was anti movie media. i mean, yeah. in yeah, it is a really good luck with see, but they band old bunch. i mean, i don't think sorry they band tv channels in india and the bulk of the documents. i know there's, there's not a single cv time that i've been member band in. yeah. i know there's no media organization that means obviously it is katara the station the i'll just arrows band in india and they couldn't send the boat is out there to come in the next. no, of course not. i am, i am there is, there's not a lot of media under which one of the reporters of all being banned from covering the indian elections. so the sounds like a democratic country,

let's get onto the foreign policy. why. why did moody sign this india u. s. military deal in just x and 2023 pentagons, a. lloyd austin, and the head of the bench again. lloyd austin said just the other day. that is going to be increased military coordination with india. what is behind is american indian military partnership? just as a brick shanghai corporation organization, all these different groupings are very 1st aware of the dangers posed by the united states and it's vassal states and western europe in yes, i'm not just one, but 7 or strategic slash. and then the 3 agreements with the united states is beeping at styles the rest of the same time in there is also a feeling. it's a long standing relationship and bond question for the rest year. after that you

can walk again back to the solutions, tried to blame. yeah. deciding with the us. but i'd say the fact is that in pardon the policy is fiercely independent and that independence has only strengthened under moody. it will not change. certainly not. the americans have reloaded the hard way that to cover much of pressure they can apply. india will not shipped from is strategic autonomy maintain an independent foreign policy. that is the government the, the washington is today. it wants to build an international antique china coalition, or the chart oft india in the world war war war style vision line framework. because in this case, any more aligns with any bar you see on the, on the surface. i mean,

obviously speaking from this region, the major story is garza, i'm the genocide and as a junk or is in russia today with the other bricks. foreign ministers maybe is easier for india compared to the foreign minister. saudi arabia, these i just, i remember it's a ron, ethiopia, that foreign ministers only imagine today because india road behaves like a western european buffet state when it comes to a foreign policy. as regards moody support for the lensky moody's support for the genocide in gaza. india's foreign policy is basic and obviously the a valid hatred for china becoming for a members of the moody cabinet. basically, india has turned into a vassal stage of the united states alone, away from the band doing conference in the 1950s. a i'm afraid that's a very poor understanding on seeing this policy and it's possession on. definitely

issues on the preamble in the as monday, i'm the very big of a, a need for on scans, refuse to side with the rest. as one of the warren gauze as concern in the support . it isn't the right to the galley to the heart of they come mazda atrocities of october 7. but the key thing and medicaid prices in gaza has come building. you have to reiterate. it's long standing support for to nation solution. in yeah, as long back the price, the me costs for independent nation. it seems to me that is one of my prolonging exposure war in gaza is undermining its long term security. this protector will likely for meant more terrorism of uses for media is deeply concerned by this protected warrant because i don't, it has to be really funny porter ceasefire. why is indeed being trying to send

weapons to is wrapped in that and you know then yes and no reference to is for initially they needed some emulation of the kinds of explosives sending it to that and the hours i believe that that one of the adult at the beginning of the is really campaign. but as i said after the d think american prices on the last month . well, there's been no shipments of late 79, and last month to ok. well obviously india is helping to fund the war. the russians against a native through ukraine, in that proxy war instance, that they're buying energy from russia and civil chain use lee and backing up your view that india is indeed on the line. it is pursuing the all important to international north south transport, colorado. what do you think the americans will do in this new term of modi's to try and prevent the job of high porch in iran as india are in there on type is it's

links and mutual support increasing the way, hearing the talk of war uh from uh, obviously from that and yahoo, uh, and his back is in washington when the americans were raising the water upon this time, they had specifically exempted from our port from the sanctions. i'm but in fact they, they believe that is involved with each of our what contribution to regional technology. but now that they have handed the kind of some states to the follow up on the terrace melisha. i don't know what, what the approach to travel hard would be. then recently i think we can imagine and then whatever, as well as the most of the global south that they just recognize as

a government, the defeated the united states. my point, sorry to turn, how are you professor, but to is do you think the united states will bum, uh, the indian port uh, construction area is that is applying john to hire as they rebuild as they're building it, like they bought in the north stream pipelines applying energy to germany, this is going to get incredibly difficult for and your business. and i mean, now that is in just x, do you live only bugging the conversations of in the bullet? this was who knows how do you think moody will continue the agenda? kartel well, in, in your recently assigned that 10 year agreement, but you're on this this before the elections. in fact, in the midst of the elections this, i understand the agreement, but um, what they're on the job of our thoughts is it's very unlikely that americans with our bomb, each of our because divider is not. it's meant to american interest in any way. you

can only be postponed to american best because it provides and all the 100 and wrote to a governess on to central a here. at the moment, the matter, i wish it was only on my own to agree. i mean, i have the united states do lots or things of the detrimental to their own security . you believe acadia the north south international card, or if a good start to avoid this, who is get out and use the trade route from john to uh, uh, to, to russia through the, through the voltage and avoid this. it was canal. it's probably not good for well, it's good in this sense and i'll get the ship. so i'm going to be destroyed by you have any resistance forces, but it's not good for the control of the to is canal as well . i don't see how trim are going to be. it's 50 units nestled together. i don't think um if, if, if they, if trouble are, was a red line for them. they want to reactivate strongly with the reasons either on

the agreement there and then reaction was quite new to well, that forces a say, a weapon recently uh, was used to bomb iran. and we don't know about present raising, of course. so we'll have to wait and see what the eventual reaction to that of course, the big elevator, the room is always nuclear pockets done. and i noticed comments or moody seemingly suggest the tone and some kind of reproachful iran. calm was on this show shortly before his imprisonment alleging the us over through him. do you see some kind of great to piece being negotiated between india and pockets fund under this new body coalition government market fund relations. but on incidence, to remain very difficult for 2 reasons. one or cosign submitted to their means

or powerful elections and buckets on a field to beacon the vice like grip offered to industry on national politics, unexpected policy markets, not military intelligence, and the best of which ones have never been answerable any soon in the government. in fact, they handle pocket sounds on me as wrong acted as a country's effective luna. and this is for even today. and the 2nd reason is the progress on it. please. long standing nexus with states no to terrace exports on terrorism remains and instrumental factors funds or policy. even the wrong are biased on something lovely. about progress on the explorer repair was a kind of sign is ruled by the thought of mom, which was once pockets on proxy. but the thought it was competing openly that focused on its own spring across the board. the tear was so unless this

nexus with terrorism is broken, so good for your relations read trigger. several is allowed to cover me. august on has not become a normal state. it will either have normal relations with its neighbors. well the i, as i obviously i'm going to come on this show, but if i can, so any government tonight there any kind of response of it. there was a little bit of heads around it to lady, thank you to fix it. and that's it for the show. i continued condolences to those bereaved by u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide will be back with a brand new episode on south damsel and keep in touch my role a social media if it's not sense of control country and channel going on tv on mobile. com to watch new and old episodes. i'm going underground 2 sides of the

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