and just finally, time to reach for the stars. archie has launched a new joined the program with the russian state space agency to produce life interviews with cosmonaut mining b. i. s s. we want you to submit questions for the cosmic adventures to r t with the best receiving a price. so get thinking more details can be find a r t dot com. good by for the well minister. it's a great pleasure to have you with us here at our t. thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule. you know, you're very, very busy and, and very interesting time for the breaks association if you like to. and one of the big challenges in many ways and exciting things about this week has been about expansion for new countries, have have joined many more have registered interest in joining one of the challenges and opportunities associated with the well,

uh thank you very much for the opportunity to speak to t today has been the 1st meeting of an expanded breaks, foreign ministers, a grouping. and i think that being some important lessons for us. firstly, we a from the importance of the brakes for him as a global, a for that brings together a very different ideas, opportunities and objectives. but also, i think some pleasant memory of how easy it was to reach consensus window only 5 of us. and now that we launch the debates a longer agreement takes a little while. that has to be great to persuasion. and i think it's been a one,

it's a lot of trinity to actually reiterate why breaks exist. that we're a body committed to multilateralism, that we are very strongly advocate transparency. we want to modernize the global governance system to be more democratic, more representative. and if you share those ideals, then bricks is your home. it's where you should be and way through. but beyond and then, but we have now that many more countries showing an interest in becoming full members of breaks and others that would like to be partner members who may participate in some of our activities and the old. so i think a, you know, today was really interesting and i'm sure, in the months ahead, we're going to get to understand each other a far better. then we may do now and really very careful thought to the level of expansion that we should submit. so it's one of the key components

of break scrolling and a huge portion of the global population looking to breaks with, with a sense of hope that we can do things differently. and a more fair way. one of the big challenges of course, is that dollar dominance, really, and i suppose one of the big discussion points globally is now when his breaks, going to emerge as may be, somebody's can challenge the thought i liked his challenge to a dollar dominance. and we've heard the severe level of today talking to trying to build platforms to trade in each other as currencies. how much of a challenge to that dollar had gemini, can bricks represent? and how important is it that the bricks moves towards a. so sort of solution to that long time dominance of the dollar c. i think i want to just say that with respect to breaks,

we've always been very careful about behaving like uh, the well known powers of the world who tend to be n t something and who behave as big hours. that can clamp down on you. we are more positive in our intention. we wish to establish systems that allow development to proceed smoothly. systems, the inclusive systems that don't act against a weak hey, economies, and seek to destroy them or hold them down. we don't wish to behave like a big powers. do of the law so i want to draw that distinction. so having said that, i can confirm that we all concerned that the unilateral in position of sanctions and its impact on many developing countries. and we would like to develop a system that allows us to exchange financially without

having to be afraid that they'll be some punishment which will follow such exchange . so really looking at diversifying international payment systems is an important agenda. we set ourselves. and i think the conclusions are going to be tabled at because of some is that correct? yeah, we'll host late to this. yeah. so we meeting progress in the deliberations and again, i intention is not antique dollar. it is pro use of our own currencies and developing their ability to be used in international trade. and if we begin among ourselves as the bricks, countries, this will be an important beginning toward a large, a development. but again, for us, it's a positive of intention to really ensure that we tend trade without effect. you

mentioned the cuz on some of the upcoming big summit in the, in the test time. how important is this? i mean, given the global situation, there's a lot of challenges at the moment on the global chessboard, if you like. how important is because, um, so much as, as you know, it's, it's, it's a space where the some great powers know can talk china, russia, south africa regionally. very important, the countries it and it's also about more than just your apology, takes or geostrategic issues or conflict is also there. things like the brakes, games and alternatives to a long established northern hemisphere organizations which have dominated that space. how important is because um, upcoming excellent. well, it's extremely important, especially the expanded bricks makes up close to 50 percent of the world's

population and a significant part of the world's g d p. so we're very, very significant for just 5 that a set of criteria. then the activities that we have in the sometimes i conte either conceive of the notion that we have over 230 working group meetings. this just shows you the level of interaction and then to face the people to people exchange that we have built as the bricks countries. so i think increasingly, we have a stump as a forum that is taking its place in the global community of nations and the i believe that we will grow from strength to strength. but as i said, the intention is to grow in a progressive manner to pursue demo, isaac,

and progressive bows to ensure a launch, a voice for the cell and to address equitably the interest of or a person's. and so the role of in humane execution against the palestinian people in gauze i am the occupied palestinian territories would of course be a great concern to us. and our approach is both support for the just cause of the people of palestine. but also ensuring that we reform united nations so that it is able to play a more impactful role in enhancing peace and security in the world. and so i think because of the summit, because on summit is going to be very important in allowing us to advance these very significant ideas and ensure that as the brakes uh body we

really have great to wait in the world because we emerge from the summit was a set of consensus points that we can then take into the various small to the actual for in wichita countries. play a role. you mentioned palestine of course, which is a huge issue, particularly among many the muslim countries who are now in brakes and south africa has taken a real championing role in the i. c, c, and d i. c. j. it's been remarkable as an irishman in orland, we've seen huge support for south africa stand. um 1st question in that regard would be you know, what sort of support among the south african people a d. c for, for your stand for what i would consider and many would consider justice in, in college then on 2nd part of the question would be, what is a weird and what is the success in the ceiling c, j for south africa?

well, in terms of support, i have not had any negative action toward me with respect to the question of the people of palestine. it has been scientist, organizations in my country that have expressed opposition to the position that our government has adopted. and we're not surprised because they support israel, whatever israel does, but it's important to stress that this is molten religious matter. so it's not about muslims. and number slims, this is a human rights issue. no one should reach international in the manner that israel is doing. no one should preach international humanitarian law in the manner that israel is doing. you cannot have such a large scale killings and the world just allows you to get away with it. so i believe this is

a test for all of us as humanity to stand up and really fight against such abuse of human beings and ensure that when we is lead is say never again, we really mean it. and this is why establishing institutions that have the capacity to protect the innocent has become such a critical issue with all of us as part of the world should pay attention to. i'm a really welcoming of the i. c. c, prosecutors, decision to approach the touches of the court with respect to issuing of a warrant of full war crimes, administer of defense of israel, and the prime minister of israel. for the 1st time, we now see attention to will crimes being committed by persons in the knolls window. when we sold, the icbc is

a body that was established to act against african leaders and no one else. and now we believe there's a much more balanced approach and we're glad, although we displayed with how long it took. but we're glad that that stick has now been taken with respect to the i c. j. we believe the court has clearly indicated on the provisional measures that what should be achieved is an end to hostilities, a permanent ceasefire. and that's in the cause of the conflict. the people of palestine should have access to humanitarian aid and their rights should not be abused. the court has also been very clear about the responsibility of an occupier to those that they occupied. because often when we discuss what is happening to the palestinian people, we don't refer to israel as an occupying force, which it is and is responsibilities as an occupier,

a well set out in the united nations, a job to. and these have been neglected and disrespected as well. so all the bottom line is that the court must proceed. international court of justice to hold for hearings on the merits of the allegations of africa has brought forward. that is ro, is intentionally committing genocide against the palestinian people. we would like this to be heard. we wish to have a full hearing. we believe many nations will come forward with the evidence. absolutely pleased. finally, that the i c. j has quoted for the establishment of an independent u. n. create to investigate, to body to both collect and retain evidence on activities that have been underway against the pilots. the as people for me, that was a very,

very significant decision. and i hope that the united nations will act on it. well mentioning earlier, you know, this western centric, this new one and centric infrastructure regarding international buddies, the united nations, even the i, c, c i, c, j. we've also heard the washington would consider or is considering sanctioning these international courts. um, what are your thoughts on what are your views on that? why is the washington happy to be overly of this ala carte, on to, to, to, to this is, to morality, essentially, when it comes to the global south. what do you think is behind that? what's the engine of the position from washington? we, we have previously expressed all concern that the implementation of international instruments is often done in a manner that exhibits in equity in terms of how we look at countries, but also

a double stand it in what we regard as human rights and abuse. and what is accepted as a right? if it's done to palestinian people, it's all right, but if it is done until your pin, then it's not acceptable. and it has this double standard. that drives much of the opinions from a powerful communities. so when a warrant is issued for prison, putin, everybody says we're all and celebrates. but when we mention prime minister and they can, you know, suddenly there's a victim not to perpetrate that we have to apply international law for everyone. so that who ever preaches it? we as the will, community must agree that they'll be held to account. it can't be that for you. it operates in a particular way, a lot for me because i'm an african or

a woman. it operates in a different way. we are challenging the world and that's why we approach the i, c, j. we want international institutions to work for the good of war and not to treat us as different. and you mentioned as an african, i mean in africa, in south africa, we've recently of the election, africa, or south africa is looking at a coalition now for the 1st time and for me, 3 decades. so this is, this is also a new ground. if you like, and what is the potential for positives and negatives? there may be instability. i think some people are watching and seeing mobile how. how is this going to be handled on the ground? and also regarding foreign policy, your stands as we seen in the c o u c j. and what is the potential for, for south africa's position, even regarding brakes to be impacted by this new coalition issue?

well, i think that to the foreign policy positions i hope will be guarded a very carefully by what is the largest pontine of the african national congress, as it looks at potential partners. and that's a tool seek. uh, you know, to reach agreement with parties that share is political perspectives, especially on foreign policy because it can be very, very bad for the african national congress to be judged as being hypocritical. and, but when it comes to assuming i'll then shift position. i don't believe that will happen. i believe it to remain true to his ideals because it is prison monday law. who said the platform for foreign policy of south africa would always be human rights and equity. and so i'm a, you know, really comfortably convinced that the african national congress will not do that

is foreign policies as practiced thus far and the human rights and the interest of the most vulnerable of months. my life will always be that dr. but, but having said that, i don't a negate, but it's a very complicated set of negotiations because you have very different parties and see, achieve 40 percent. didn't achieve them majority unfortunately, but the law just the votes of the next a in, in number a very key is a supporter of israel. but we all care that all support full freedom for the palestinian people will always be part of our foreign policy perspective. so the leads us to foreign policy and, you know, innovations really from, from an african delegation who visited ukraine and russia last year,

which was well received in russia and water of the potentials. to expand on that an africa centric diplomacy and going out to the rest of the world saying look, let us mediate, let us be beyond this brokers here. i think there's a mouth applied for that interest in several countries. what's your view point on that? is there more to see in that space from so i, i certainly believe so prison, roma polosa has maintained contact with the 2 leaders of leader of ukraine and prison. putin of the russian federation. and he's always had a very, a good reception from both. we would like to see the 2 in the room and we increasingly working at persuading that there should be a meeting in which ukraine and russia present were concerned. but they have been

many way it is only crane and other countries that i invited. we believe if we all to have a successful negotiated outcome, the 2 must be in the room together. so we would like to work toward that one's. we settled down all the issues related to the coalition deliberations as part of the program agenda list of present from a pulse up to continue this work. because you recognize that it's very important, not just to the 2 countries, but to all solve this africa as well. cause all incontinence has impacted both by the sanctions against russia, as well as about the issue of food security. so a peace and security a critical for africa's progress and development. and so we must continue to be a fidelity to these a piece efforts. you mentioned the importance of getting to people in the room to

people around the table. there's an upcoming, a peace conference to be held in switzerland. what are your views of that? i mean, asking ukraine to essentially host a peace conference excluding russia. what is your view on that from a diplomatic view point to rational? does that have a realistic is that you know, is it more a cs or them actual piece making what, what are your views? i'm not quite sure what's it hope would be a cheap our own advice was that it may be better to have a meeting of the officials level between russia and ukraine and then subsequent to that, move on to a bigger conference, but before deliberations between the 2 even if it's such a inception stage, we felt this wasn't really a good step to take because it took me p at

a rather than a real focus on achieving a cessation, or indeed the appropriate piece negotiation. so we all, we all concerned and it, we will to attend at the level of one of our advisors. but our intervention would always be that that has to be the 2 in the room. and great effort must be directed to engaging russia and ensuring that we bring the to into a space where a way forward 10 be mapped out. an interesting, the recent, the present booting himself has wrestled with the idea of who to negotiate in width in ukraine. and i think the constitutional advisors and most just suggest that the only valid power now is the whole arrive is the parliament. what is your view on

the legitimacy now of uh, let him use the landscape in ukraine and now that his mandate has passed, essentially, there have been no elections. what's your view on the hill? because we wish to play a role. i don't want to appear to come into the mind that would appear to suggest that one takes aside our intention is to persuade, toward engagement. and in the all of you. and from my experience, having negotiate to the settlement with respect to a post date. we know that you can tell us what the conclusion should be. we are the ones who will determine that. and that is why the 2 present talking to each other. absolutely. imperative. absent one. yeah, actually just as an exercise in futility. so i think you have to get real and

ensure that you begin to process that needs. you also have the conundrum that exists country and finally, just finished our own saddle or t has been bombed in various western countries. its output has been pressed. the messaging, which is basically the balance of those, trying to challenge some narratives in the west and get the russian side. and this oppression of media seems to be something that's increasing in the west in the european union. we have free bunking from our slave on the line, the which suggest that they're going to tell us things are potentially dishonest before they were even told them. and what's your view on that and what you the response speech and societies where it's ok to listen to one and a story. but the other story has to be oppressed by state actors. what's your view on that? is it healthy? i'm sure you will know my own answer to this as an african,

i've often had to sitting rooms and be lectured on how i should be democratic and how i must respect freedom of expression and particularly freedom of the media. so we have suffered this in south for many, many a meetings. and for us, a sub africa where we have freedom of expression with the media is able to say and do what they wish, within the confines of us the of the little. but with the constitutional protection that is very wide. we, i intreat that what we see and we cannot believe that it is possible that over a 140 gen the list, a murder it in palestine. and the free press is largely silent and almost complicit in the old colleagues being murdered by him in prison. treated in the houses

fashion possible. so as africans, we are watching all of a sudden wondering what happened to the lessons and the lectures that we had to suffer on so many occasions benefiting from those lessons. we malpractice, freedom of expression, and we are watching with great interest, but lack of free expression in established democracies that have had the freedom for so many, many centuries. so it's been a great lesson for us as africans. and i sincerely hope no african country follows the examples we've seen recently. well, minister, thanks very much for talk has been fascinating. we could talk all night, but thank you very much again for thank you. the

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