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executive and angel invested in the shop and shop tanks, india and the founder off in the oldest online matchmaking service. shoddy dot com that is going on with them. thank you, sir. no problem. can i find the dog? say my name and route to be sharing my name with you. so am i what decided about to keep your name? i know from my mother and i need to cite it. okay. and, you know, it was still in a new shouldn't name when i was born and you know, it means unique not competitive, but not comfortable. that's a better definition and comfortable. so there are 2 people sitting at i knology for boundary content anywhere. the only difference is one person has $15000.00 and the other person doesn't everyone affecting go to. but and of course made a lot of hardware and, and that parents blessings the karmic people. yes. the leaving the cycle of light. yes. what did your father do? when what is his name?

his name is gopalakrishnan. does he just boss to be earlier this year? uh, god best a soul. my dad uh, you know, comes from a very um little background is father died when he was about 16 years old. any of 4 sisters and 3 brothers to look often and just on. so he has to stop school. i need pick up a job which paid him under the bees month. im going to cut off and show the sony most of them by and by the time he came to me by his started the will it be better and done the salary? and then i was born and i saw him to walk my life spending, you know, 16 hours a day. i book building a life for himself and i was, but he brought it up as business has been fixed. and so he had a job and then made enough money to set up his own businesses. he set up factories and don't move a lee in building b, which are far strong, some ups of them by and become an industrialist and his own right. and to come from nothing at that point because they did it and sort of just forced independence in

the he was born and then sort of the opportunities were not as much as they are today. right. and the only way you could do it is to shield hard work the culmination and when, you know, i have huge respect and admiration and he's my role model. in many ways, e started out as a very strict aggressive father in some ways. but it was the 2nd half he had become so philosophically and you know, he was very spiritual is view i buttons become that become over time. not about what you can do for me. what, what can i do for you? so i remember i spent 10 years in the us and then i used to call you had only 2 questions used to say, are you happy? i'd say yeah that and say you need something, i'd say no, it's okay. talk to them. all right, so there was never any. when are you coming back? what are you going to do that would need to mon, for me, for the others? what can i do for me? and so i think that was really powerful and enabling for me as an individual,

but your understanding of that then that it was possible that happened later on. it happened later on i in fact kind of part of for the loose. yes. i felt that was in the us can be more things was indeed more involved in my life. so at some level like kind of held it against him for a very long time and you picked up on that. but you know, as a introspect and i look back, i think it gave me the freedom and the wings to be able to do it will go anywhere and do anything without having to feel the pressure off of my going. i have to, you know, a dealer by my duty of being the only son and biggest my parents. my father was a clock into father's department. they, they, i believe a pool was essentially an engine. so when i made it and movies, every conversation will end up, can you send me some more money? so after some family started editing. so i said, if you finish a conversation with that, i will not talk to you for calling me. i've been used to and then say,

are you listening to what i'm not saying? so means basically saying the same thing. yeah. and many bust of it, and i ran into some law and i'm a native and i've been to some like to do is be a set of many thousands of people can because he was very popular as a bus. and he was very helpful. and then what about 50 people in the line to say thank you to me. and they said to 50 people, he said he was running out of homes. wow, that was what he was doing with the money that i was sending data so amazing. unsung. no, not announcing non and onto. yeah, that's very much like my father of and he just passed to the decency. there were people who are there from far flung areas of india and we was hoping 12, his life. but he never told us either. so yeah, i can totally understand. i think it's very powerful and a lot of people to give, but very few people to get on announced what made you come back during the after 10 years? because i saw my dad working 16 hours and you know all the time doing business.

that's the only thing i knew was as a teenager, i tried a few different businesses and i tried working with my dad as well since he had his business, but nothing was working out. and because i was kinda young and brash and perhaps it was very different at that point, right? we're talking, you know, 9 piece now. you know, i mean there was just opening up as a country. we were still a very close socialist society. so i kind of blamed the city, you know, this is all because there's no opportunity. if people don't get it, they don't give up their word. so i'm going to go overseas. so i took off the autumn at an out of money. i came back home with my tail between my legs that i said, the, your prop, the problem is with the autumn. yeah. so this the hudson us us is whether dreams are made india that i grew up, it was very thought don't. why? like a socialist in some respects, you know, you never said anything against you. i should be sure said something. clos, you never actually question that. and the more to solve, but i'm, that was the pieces were read out the books and task i knew used to just sit and

listen. and i never got that. i said, i can do this at home by my offending class. and very interesting, even though is in the us, the 1st in class and one of my co student, the sick, the peach of steve. i don't agree with you. i was shot to, i said, 1st of all, you're calling the teacher by his name a 2nd. you say you don't agree with the beach. i was that even the boss and i said you're in trouble, boy, but don't is out steve. the professor he said, uh, tom, why don't you agree with me? can you share your perspective? i mean, orange, the said and off of that uh, you know, he shared with us how that might be, perspectives to look at the same problem. but my life changed and i kept my hand up all the time just because i could say, i don't agree with. and even if i agreed at what i realized that, that point, and then the subsequent the time is that your perspective, regardless of what it matters, spite and that goes confidence. and i think from that i was able to take away a lot. and in fact, i would call those my former computers here in the i was always in trouble. i was

getting the bad company. i didn't know what i wanted to just because i was getting close to 4 weeks a bed. i started to believe in mice and once that happened, you know, i got a job after college, it took me awhile to find a job, but one. so what i'm investigated, that work ethic. i started to believe that i could do anything i could build anything. and so, you know, after a 10 years that i said look, maybe it's time to be proud and melancholy. right. maybe it's time to get back to mom and dad and you know, i've been to the father long enough and, and that's kind of when i decided that look, let's set up a company that set up a business. let's see how it does. and if it starts doing well, i moved back in about 20032004 is when i move that forward. and i did duty just a tradition point and came back on because generally further that it's time to do something for. and then you achieve, you want to move on. that's right. that's what your graph sales life, not only as a successful businessman or on the printer, but the other person on. yeah, it was

a couple of things. one, the company that i was working in, you know, this was after the doc. com inclusion happened. and so it was going to its own struggles. so i knew that there's maybe not a very long future, a bright future here. but in babylon i did have job offers from other companies, wanted me to come in as one of the co founders or early employees and they were getting, by the way, in my early twenties and the company i was working in, i visit not quite rapidly. and i was a multi millionaire in my, on the 26th i based on paper. and the fact remains that after that i lost it all and then became bank draft and i moved to india and i was actually dec reject the pay it off before i move there. because of some bad decisions. what i've done very well for myself. so there are other companies that i wanted to hire and they offered me ex salary, which was always in 6 fingers for somebody in the early twenties. i mean, you can buy a new car, you warranty can live anywhere you want and they offered,

we need to ship positions, but i always had a condo for them in terms of all for that face. but what was more like with nobody quite we couldn't bridge, did they have match locations? you don't have that stage in life. i don't know how in more of your decision making is it becomes more about ok. you didn't give me what i want. i maybe i'm going to do something else as opposed to maybe so what you know, let's, let's find a way to, you know, meet off. so i think it was a bit of that and it was a bit of which, but i couldn't, i want to do something big. my brains will be coming bigger because i've just seen this whole internet thing. the come something in the us and i knew that it's going to take or the world at some point. so my dreams are becoming bigger. at the same time, i was feeling separation, anxiety, and he, i've been here so many years of 3 of the circles have created this friendship. i'm this lifestyle. i want to give it out. so i did something. what i think 9 side was very smart. i started spending more and more time and engage the so 1st year i spent 34 months next to i spent 6 months and so it took me 3 years to complete the

transition. in fact, after i moved back, yes for 2 years, i did not even give up the home that i had been, you know, slipping. then from here it was, it was just such a big decision. i let go of everything that i'd spend 10 years doing is that when you started shot the dot com, that's when i started because you were going to try to shut the door. come in america, actually i did. you did. i did, did as well in india at that point. this is lot has changed, but you had a software engineer was 7000 would be someone who had a designer. it was $5000.00 piece a month. so i had done one of my vacations, hired a 70 people. it was like an all new off add on and the paycheck that i was getting right. it was nothing. it was $500.00 a month. and you know, my dad had some office space which was kind of like, you know, behind the college shed, which was just lying around. so i started using that and then i used to work nights

. so with that more light thing with these guys trying to think of different businesses that people do. and he actually started a bunch of business and, and i've sorted a couple of them since then, but of course charlie dot com became the most popular. so that's how people know me, but be launched. my gone dot com, the launched a couple of other gaming businesses. you know, one of the 1st in the country to launch a gaming business. but charlie dot com. interesting me was a very unique story because one of the years when i was here in india, i was very independent. so my dad at that point the, i develop the commercial, i agree and a friendship. so he wouldn't tell me. and as i said, he will use your company for the software. what can i do for you know, what can i do for me? so he will never put the pressure on me. that'd be you should get mad it in these meet this person. so, one day as i was sitting some, a gentleman losing his, my dad's friend came in. right. and you know, typically additionally that match making happened of india and you know, very soon within 5 minutes of the conversation, i was pretty clear with us because you know,

you open up the briefcase on my desk and he started pulling or bio d. does what i called really intrigued to because i was just coming from us with everything was back in a way. and then it was just becoming a thing. i said, how many of these body does new gaddy me? you said, oh, i got a about 5060 in my bag, but i have more you want to see more noise. how many people do you know in your community? you said maybe 200 or so. so i said that full, my choice of life buckner is limited by how much weight you can get in how far you can drive it. like, oh, here, looked at me a little confused and possible, and maybe a little insulted. i said, look, i'm not trying to the media business. my only point is why don't you give me all these? i have this team of people to be a bidding different, but this is the want to pick them and put them on the internet. yeah. now, and he, this, in the word, but you can find the, you know, person of their dreams. why just limited to me. and he said yes, but he looked at me as if i was crazy and he never came back. the idea was mine.

and so he said this is interesting. and so we see that it'd be, be this website i went back and what's the phone? what's the need for this service? what's much more pronounced in america in the you can because these are geographically dispersed indians wanted to connect with like minded people, and then network stable very small and some desktops or to take off. so be focused on the anybody that didn't have much of an internet, there was only a 1000000 people on the internet and their main like that for can you see that? so the business started to grow and you'll established offices in the us. you can kind of built it out and then i moved back as i said in 2004, and that became a success overnight or no, it took a while. right? yeah, it'll be overnight. success story is twin deals in the making, and i always see it, right? right. it's just that when people see it, they suddenly see it. of course we started $22003.00, but funny focus and gusto. and i think it took a few years and we started seeing some form of success. so do you think that the

2003 we had in 2024? know how come it's still so they're living, they seem to be now in india also having live in relationships, we have much more a different outlook goods life, lots of relationships, manage and thing that what these people who use are the, how did you, me to of life, one of them we were best offend your best of yeah. you know, i actually just posted video and instagram recently talking about the secret to successfully managing it. so and i said in that that if you want to successfully manage mario best thing, may, somebody will even talk to a lot because after a few years that's all you will be doing that side. absolutely. back right here. and, and so you and i perhaps lucky, smaller percent that just that happen to have that. but for the vast majority and this a great question. you said, why is it still relevant for the vast majority? this doesn't happen, but what happens in india, marriage is not if crushed it. so when crushed lights on the diamond a child,

they're talking. what do you manage at by somebody as indians, we love celebrations that it is marriage. and if a man has lived enough, then it's death, thoughts that doesn't matter that we just need any of these and to go on the streets and dogs. yeah, i always, i know you have the confidence to do it. open an open you know, live you sonya during the home so she knows about yeah. yeah. overseas the music, but i haven't used to walk around with the heads down not to be c. like now we do it aloud, but i do think so. i think there's been a major consultation. i think it's fine. the people are proud to be right. whether it's your passport ranking, whether it is your diplomatic relationships, whether the softball leadership is very important for any organization that it's a country, whether it's a company or any pursuit. and i think since independence, we've had some buckets of strongly shipping by and large. we've been confused to i think this is the 1st time in our history that we have clarity and vision in terms

of what you want to achieve. and i think that is very important. the 2nd thing is the kind of leadership is not shy about who we are and i background and i, st. we don't apologize for the identity absolute side all these years. the somehow been reading a western close coming towards the side, but pretending to be something the or no i. and when you start opening up an embracing, we why? i think a lot of people respect you more for the exact right. and so that's what i see happening on the 3rd fact that, of course, is economic success. as soon as you become a market that people want to bid, as opposed to a lender snake chalmers, an elephant, and anybody now suddenly wants a piece of us. i mean, the recent more these situation is a great example of softball, right? and our ability to influence people and the word based on a softball and, and

a market economy. and it totally at the situation like this, you can tell google that. i don't like you. yeah, yeah, that's true. that's what you did. i did and, and i will continue to what is the issue of the americans? why eventually they do get to that came on all these like they've done, would be going with the coal. they've broken all of these up over the years, right? they're very, very active in nature. right? sometimes it's too late. and because of the companies that are creating a monopoly, sometimes it benefits them because they are going on to the monopolies all over the world. so it's better force them to be me good at these situations. but what we're seeing, the google app, or to some extent, is they have on our log swedes of the internet system to bundling and walk out and pigment off or monopolistic behavior and made it very difficult for anybody else to prosper. and any question, right? so we're good, it says if you think about it is really a beneficiary of unbundling. microsoft,

microsoft used to bundle in internet explorer browser to which you could access the internet. yeah. with the operating system in which, with their software was for the case and broke the bundling off. so they could introduce chrome, which is the browser to which we all now experience the internet. so they themselves, a beneficiary off and be when optimistic action. but ultimately, every company wants to be a monopoly, so i don't blame them as much as i blame governments, particularly in the west, not connecting these situations in time because ultimately i'm to put all ship suffers innovation and suffers. customers suffer because they have less choice. what incentive do i have as a monopoly? to give you better price, single, better products? because i'm already a monopoly. so i think that's what google has done today. in india, if you want to run it into the business, you'll pay google 2030 to 40 percent off your revenue as advertisement, because that's the only way to access customers. and that's fed, i think,

to some degree that's that you choose how much to ride with us. but now what they're saying is you would also pay anywhere between 15 percent of the 30 percent off field avenue was if you want to be on our app store. wow. so if i'm willing to pay 60 to 70 percent of my revenue to, ruben, how am i going to? so why is and i think this is a fix that we missed as a company. what did you think about it? i china did add me a handy or heavy one or 2 or these entities very close and given protection or not even for i won't even say production of please give it a level playing fee was domestic. i'm right. because the internet on a couple of days, a weapon to start just other media. it's everything, all your data, everything besides you, i'll get these companies below to pick it out. so if we have done that, we would have had 5 companies today in search, in email, in social media,

which one each be worth $100000000000.00, but the one to bring it in. in addition to the $34.00 companies, then you already know that can be transformed nation for the country. these will become global companies and died, right? of course we missed that boat and that's fine. but at the same time, i ended, i don't recall that the head of that all these companies is an indian, isn't that great? how do you think in the present situation, we can come through this or we can handle this? i think there's a couple of this one is a more passively which is, you know, ncc has already actually passed a very strong order against google us and being on implementing of using 6 of the trade which they've learned globally. and trying to squirm out of it, and that's why i said that they will end up being a very heavy, branded beauty and badly for them because they're playing with the law. and today's dispensation and government doesn't take that like so. i think since you have come, don't have any of the, of this of the order on that which is competition commission of india. so why does

it passively can play by using organizations such as c c, i wouldn't show it. there is no monopolistic behavior in the level playing field is available to everyone and nobody's taking advantage of our ongoing companies. but i was small and medium in the process i, and that's certainly one the other way is a more active way, which the government has already been doing. so if we look at do today, we are the only country your credit cards are struggling because you guys become the preferred mode of payment absolute. i paid companies to 3 american express sticks, 4 percent from the merchant is highlighted already by new p i's 3 of what are the kind of what a piece of innovation. amazing. i 2nd his own b. c, which they have time to do for e commerce. what they did for being towed is our health initiated, which again, clips common public infrastructure for those to build up on me, we can do the same thing for that stuff that shift to shop there. yes, i find it very exciting and i find it that's your w as an actor. what i'm know, acting up being myself, but there's some drama you'll see

a this is actually as real as it gets b, c, the richard who comes on stage to pitch. when you see, you have no idea with the pictures, you walk on stage and the see the farm to come in. but you're right. i mean, you know this better than anybody else as soon as a camera. hold on you. yeah. however, the old a show is that is some drama that comes in because you know, and you know that a theme cameras on shop and so you know, you become a performer at some level, mike laughed to an interest in acting out on an acting school. so i, i detect a possible act of something that, oh yes, you are on one of the most popular acting schools for the longest time. i felt it was not, you know, deep down maybe it was something i cherished or had value for, but you don't always put it down growing up, right click on do anybody you go right. this is the book. so i read on adult. absolutely. i remember that when we had all of us had black and black and white

televisions, and then mr. model of that was for by the knob i was in my next door. you go to color, gave me this week and we're going to deal with it. so we said that he's a good man. do you have to justify for yourselves? yeah. all right. and so for the longest speed it i was, i wasn't that god at this point in my life, i think i'm really enjoying the role that i play on shock bank. and i don't know if i have the patients or the talent, be very honest, be an actor, right. i've experienced what it is. uh, you know, waiting invited events doing it in shock. thank. do you have a different floor. might be a busy to out of the car, so please is driving actually organization like patients. not for talent. ok the than i did. yeah. but i don't have that. i couldn't be sitting waiting for one shot doing one shot and then wrapping up and waiting. that's one seconds i don't think i have the bad code. i think i'm far more effective given everything i've known is to continue furthering onto pro shipping this country,

building companies. so i think might impact, and that is so which is as far as each ad, julia sion and the recognition. i'm now getting to shop by the list that part is inactive because that's what and i think that's the only part that perhaps is very interesting is an act on the ending for that is you get to play so many different professions and understand so many different facets because you have to do some level of research whenever you please. so i can get it to. i think i find the equity compelling one day you would be, i think, you think a 100 plus a $100.00 and then not. and that's a good thing that can happen because you must do something that you think you've got to take you out of your comfort. so yes, i've read somewhere that you of x pitcher the bus and what is good to 100. if you, you know, we are seen as a land of believers because we have directly so many gods, but reality, historically issue located. we are lando seekers and spirituality to meet news

really about seeking. and you know, when you said you are the bestest. right. but that's, that's what's coming to or s listeners and confusion is the most creative state of affairs. that's why i don't, i have not had a so called traditional holidays. yeah. and all these for the or that i look, i don't think i have gone through some beach in thought of late on and then. yeah, i can do that. have not done. i can do that myself. yeah. nice on the people to the why do, why are you so restless? why do keep on doing that gives me about who i am. so you're more of an engine than a shock. i'm more do that and sure. i don't know if the phone, those who come and shop thing would agree with you. they think i'm always trying to get the better be would yes, to answer that question in one word. a split of tried are you seeking? and there is no end to seeking. that's right. that's where you can go on. it was a pleasure talking to you on the same here on the phone. thank you so much.

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