several of these bodies, they are several of these groups. they are provincial groups based in indian states. they have no national agenda, no, no national vision. so these proven, sure. oops, uh, allied with the beach it be the fact is that lying on support from some of these groups is unlikely to have a direct bearing on both these national agenda are on this forum pharmacy. how do we know that as a professor, how do we know? i mean to say this is chandra chandra by move in. i do from the t d p policy in the under per dash he's currently on bail over ongoing prosecution for a ledge. misappropriation of $44.00 and a half $1000000.00 mentor, unemployed youth. he denies the allegations and the prosecution who easy and how do you know that he doesn't want anything for the body? government in return for his support?

well, not my dues. lucian is limited to honor for the some of the guy on the dish come are, was vision is limited to still be are. so these are, as i said, state level leaders, that bodies also state level bodies. they have no, no national idea. so national minds, they will allow movies, government to run onyx national agenda on its foreign policy. yeah. the investigative arm. those have been ladies who have an exam, as you're saying, so surely they would care desperately about the catastrophic nature of india's economy. i mean, don't you think in return for making moody prime minister they wanted a new economy minister instead of normal era as it the roman none of these,

uh, reason politicians uh, would seem to be the pronouncement as strong in the, at, with this uh, as i said because the reason that i made it to their state and therefore if they want to be uh, federal minister, it would be far, you know, maybe this on the, to the minister on defense minister maybe probably not even development of stuff but takes like um minister for health care or sending paper relations. yeah, let's camp up the account. every college job example is another to the local people at the states. never. they would like one of those would all use, but certainly not for 9, certainly not on foreign affairs. and no, no, nor do i think any of them wants to be the defense, but it's probably there. yeah, we'll get onto that. and the foreign policy in a, in a 2nd, as i said, but so call me this china ro, 800000000 out of poverty. famously in the past, 40 years and years seen 670000000, get a one percent increase in wealth,

say just in 201773 percent of that. well, it's going to the richest one percent. it's a deeply and secure country. is it not, in terms of it's increasing inequality while the 1000000000 is, or was it over 200000000000 is in india 1000000000 as fortunes up 10 times over 10 years. and they have a total of 12 high and india's budget. and $63000000.00 a pollution to poverty every year. surely these regional king make has that allow moody to become prime minister will want massive funding to sold out their problems is in the india or otherwise. um they're going to face riots a civil disobedience. i think um, i think these baseball leaders would like pay to federal government spending on the welfare as it is and is a subsidy. bill has been spirally because movie has to be quite focused

on building or historically marginalized glasses. so his welfare schemes have expanded the subsidy. bill has gone through the rules and these provincial leaders with them on with that. but it seems as far as any body is concerned, that is not against that capitalism. by its way to asia promotes inequality and not many people notice that china, even though is a communist state, is more on a quote that india, if you go by i'm is what bank data. so the t yeah, as an invoice the i m f. well, bang, acre ugly, i'll give you the washington consensus data. never l, although of course the 800000000 out of poverty one is the name f one kaylee a lot of the global. so i don't trust that data intrinsic because they're washington institutions against it. but okay, you talk about that,

that you're saying moody is it is highest household that and now 87 percent debt to g d p ratio, which is days away now from indian solver and debt entering the global debt market . is that going to affect if moody has to make deals on that? and you're saying he's not going to have to do anything in return. what about the fact that the united states own so much and in depth and risk just strangely, i presume maurice just being a vehicle from which is fine. ownership of indian this over in death is, is both. is this going to affect india? i've been checking the china as own some of the debt has been supporting in effect the social welfare programs, you know, saying mode is being responsible for indebtedness as a problem in this. okay. not a heavily in the nation, and certainly it's not coming heavily in the nation. it needs to get it's,

um, it's not as as an order. let's go to the fisher and the last actually are actually has narrowed. so there's some encouraging signs. in other words, the fastest growing media economy and the last mansion layer, which ended just on march 31st, india cvp grew by 8, find to a person that's a very impressive growth. and in fact, even though the last one are in this gina because was quite impressive. and in contrast, china's for that they belong to nomic boom, as which they come to man. so the fact is that it is what the subject tree know is looking like robust and after the election results. whether you declare that as the town would represent, quote unquote, new chapter of big positions. but in india, to practice politics,

positions they to feel division, especially when they challenge infringed interest. we saw that in, well, the 2nd time you had to repeal his bomb reform laws after your officer shouldn't backed protests. and those reform laws were quite meaningful. this talk to the rid of aspirations, not just demonstrations in world history. and when you talk about comparing economic growth, of course, many people saying the indian good figures of 8 percent look impressive of that just because they're in the collapse economic age during the cove. it and when you talk about fiscal rectitude, you sound like the new liberalism of the congress by the end, the b j. b that have got in giving to the mess that it is. and to not unlike communist china saving the lives of 800000000 people instead just creating stratified appallingly on equal of cause more starvation in

sub saharan africa and so on. and in fact, that is why, of course, moody has to rely on culture, was to get people indians attacking indians for political game. although it's failed this time to an extent, i think you paid the very dock and on the big picture, the fact is that india has a very successful investing people. a lot of property does. if it's been doing that her motto base, if you will speak to common indians at the cross of that room, they all describe how their lives have improved significantly. in the nomic, i think 3 is quite impressive. the fact is i didn't get up, it's just important challenges. given the size, evidence diversity,

yet the cheapest of india should not be doing it to why does not agree achievements that play? why is the last is the majority and it is remarkable as a yeah, it is remarkable how few people they wrote out above and he compared to china in the same period, no in india in india has ran, is as soon as of not more impressive than china's practice that india began late, but the way it's lifting the rate at which people are being left her a property is in the rate is even higher than what china had achieved. but as far as why the b g b does not translate, it's a to nomic successor into what's in the parliamentary democracy and here so what's going on, translate into seats. for example, the beach i pres, one say,

nationally only declined by a point 7 percent compared to the national election. and the last election, the beach and you want to combining majority in front of a and now with just a decline of sort of point 7 percent of what share its shape totally decline by more then i think $6363.00 seats in the bottom and so that's what i promise that i should do is each one with a mazda is defining what share, because that's the actions and in, yeah, depends on how many candidates they are in each constancy. or, you know, how many words get divided across different bodies and candidates. so it's very difficult to, to not to look at seats and saying that this represents a big review to one body of the other example. if you take the main opposition body

being the national congress and only $199.00 seats in the bottom, and that's what a half times less than the beach i beat and yet call them any less than vacations. this was a great selection for the national congress. so i think this is charleston, all india is election needs to be needs to be corrected because the actions of india or why don't last on very narrow ships in, in one. okay. well, well know when you get the figures show that to induce in any way uncomfortable to the rise of china. but professor july the, i'll stop you. the more from before my advisor doing this national security council after this break, the,

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the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the marriage is professor of strategic studies, a new daily sense of, of policy research, professor brown naturally any progress or you were just talking about the intricacies of why we shouldn't interpret moody getting can failing to get the majority as a failure of the b j b, actually he did the about the same. and as you said, nature propaganda read you had judging of fall to favorably the, the congress a policy that lost a game. but actually speaking of democracy,

the power of all the boxes, the infamous in west style democracy, nathan nations, especially media magnates, of course in western europe by oregon, britain in the united states with a model. it was this election fair given you have a, i mean you might want to tell me in the tv and you did the tv, a big tv station on by the a dining group. is your media or increasingly being owned by these, all the gods. they've been enriched by on the, on the bill system and with these 1000000000 is rising to huge amounts of all the gothic power, semi fuel power in india, while the massive stuff well, um it is cool like, uh, in other democracies, you'll see all the docs by media ropes, it's happening, india to is a consolidation happening. and i think you can look at the picture.

this election was not just democratic exercise, but how is it fair if uh, the media is controlled by pro moody groups or there is media and there's media. now there, there's probably more the media, there was anti movie media media in. yeah, it is a really good mark. let's see the band no much. i mean, i don't think sorry, the band tv channels in india and the documents are busy. there's not a single cv time that i've been never banned in. yeah. i know there's no media organization that means obviously there's katara the station, the i'll just arrows band in india and they couldn't send the boat is out there. it's a company like no, of course not. i am, i am is there's no law, i mean the under which like one of the reporters of all being banned from covering

the indian elections. so the sounds like a democratic country. let's get onto the foreign policy. why, why did moody sign this india u. s. military deal in just x and 2023 pentagons. lloyd austin, and the head of the band again, lloyd austin said just the other day. that is going to be increased military coordination with india. what is behind is american indian military partnership, just as a break, shanghai cooperation organization. all these different groupings are very thrust aware of the dangers posed by the united states and it's about so states and west from your end. yes, i'm not just one, but 7 or strategic slash and then the 3 agreements with the united states. it is deepening it style with the list of the same time. it is also a shooting. it's a long standing relationship and bond for sure,

but the rest year after that you can walk again by for this patients tried to blame . yeah. deciding with the us. but i'd say the fact is an in foreign policy is fiercely independent. and that independence has only strengthened on demo the it will not change. certainly not the americans have learned the hard way that to cover much of pressure that can apply in your will not shipped from is strategic autonomy. you can maintain independence foreign policy. that is the government, the, the washington is today. it wants to build an international antique china correlation or the chart off to india in the world war war style facing decline bring what?

because in this case, any form or alliance with any bar you see on the, on the surface, i mean, obviously speaking from this region, the major story is garza, i'm the genocide and as a junk, or is in russia today with um, uh, the bricks, foreign ministers it maybe is easier for india compared to the foreign minister. saudi arabia, the united. i remember it's a ron, ethiopia, that foreign ministers all in russia today because india rode the behaves like a western european buffet state when it comes to a foreign policy. as regards body support for the lensky moody's support for the genocide in gaza. india's foreign policy is basic and obviously the a valid hatred for china becoming for a members of the moody cabinet. basically, india has turned into a vassal stage of the united states alone, away from the band doing conference in the 1950s. i'm afraid that's

a very poor understanding of being to us foreign policy and it's possession on. definitely issues on the preamble. in the as mandate, i'm the very big of a, a needs on scans. if you still side with the wrist as one of the one god as concern in the support, it is really the right to retaliate to the heart of. they come mazda atrocities of october 7. but the key thing and medicaid prices in gaza has come building. you have to reiterate. it's long standing support for a donation solution. and as long back the bias the me costs for an independent nation. it seems to me that is one of my prolonging it's border. warren gaza is undermining. it's wrong, them security this protector. war will likely for meant more terrorism against this . right. i mean, he is deeply concerned by this protected, warring cause and it has to be really funny for

a ceasefire. why is india being trying to send weapons to is wrapped in that and you know, with them yes and no reference to is for initially the units, i'm a nation of the civil plans of explosives sending it to that me. i was, i believe that that one of the adult at the beginning of the is really campaign. but as i said after the d think the medicaid and prices on the last month. well there will be no, no shipments of late, 79 and last month. okay, well obviously india is helping to fund the war, the russians against a native through ukraine and that proxy warrants then, that they're buying energy from russia and civil tenuously and backing up you'll have who that india is. indeed, on the line it is pursuing the all important to international north, south transport, colorado. what do you think the americans will do in this new term of modi's to try

and prevent the job of high porch in iran as india or a new run type is it's links and mutual support increasing the way, hearing the joke of war uh, from uh, obviously from that and yahoo, uh, and his back is in washington when the americans were raising the warner kindest on they had specifically exempted from our port from the sanctions. i'm but in fact they, in, they believe that india is involved with them try would contribute to restart security, but not the they have 100 the, some states to the follow up on the terrace melisha. i don't know what, what the approach to travel hard would be. then recently i think we can imagine.

and then on terrorist where these are the most of the global south that they just recognized as a government that defeated the united states. my point, sorry to turn, how are you professor, but uh, is do you think the united states will bomb the indian port? uh, construction area is that is applying john to hire is they rebuild as they're building it, like they bought in the north stream pipelines, supplying energy to germany. this is going to get incredibly difficult for and your business. and i mean, now that is in does x, do you live only bugging the conversations of in the abilities was, who knows? how do you think moody will continue the agenda? kartel well, in, in your recently signed a 10 year agreement. but iran just just before that actions and in fact, in the midst of the elections as i understand the agreement, but um with their on the trip, our boat is, it's very unlikely that americans with our bomb,

each of our because the vada is not, it's meant to american interest in any way, you can only be post the american express because it provides and all the 100 and wrote to a governess on to central a chair. at the moment, the mag, i wish it was so i only on my going to agree, i mean i, the united states do lots of things with the detrimental to their own security. you believe it can't even know what south international card or if a good start to avoid this, who is canal and use the trade route from john to russia through the, through the voltage and avoid this. who is canal? it's probably not good for well, it's good in this sense and on the ship, so i'm going to be destroyed by you have any resistance forces, but it's not good for their um, control of the 2 is canal as well. i don't see how trump are going to be a big deal. it's natural to go to. i don't think um if it was, if they,

if trouble are, was a red line for them. they want to reactivate strongly to the recent india it, ron, that agreement there. and then reaction was quite new just well, that forces say a weapon recently uh, was used to bomb iran. and we don't know about present raising, of course. so we'll have to wait and see what the eventual reaction to that of course, the big elevator, the room is always nuclear pockets on. and i noticed comments or moody, seeming to suggest the talent and some kind of approach more, more on. com was on this show shortly before his imprisonment to legend the us over through him. do you see some kind of great to piece being negotiated between india and pockets fund under this new mode? the coalition government, the market sounds, relations with audits, news remain very difficult for 2 reasons. one or cosign submitted to their

means or possible elections in the pocket sign of failed to begin the vice like grip offered to industry on national politics, unexpected policy. marcus stock, military intelligence, and the best of which ones have never been an officer of any someone in the government. in fact, the hand of pocket sounds on me as long active as a country is effective, luna, and this is still even today. and the 2nd reason is the progress on please long standing nexus with states not to terrace expose on terrorism remains an instrument for pakistan's or policy, even the finest on something lovely about the progress on to explore the canvas. i've gone to sign is ruled by the thought it was, which was once pockets on proxy and the thought it was competing openly that focused on its own straight across the board the terrorist. so unless this

nexus with terrorism is broken so much for your relations retreat, good. civil is allowed to govern. august on has not become a normal state. it will not have normal relations with its neighbors. well the i, as i obviously i'm going to come on this show, but the pakistani government tonight, is there any kind of responsive of terrorism in the roof as around the to lady thank you to fix it and that's it for the show. i continued condolences to those bereaved by u. k. u s u, i'm genocide will be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not sense, if you will, country, and have to like channel going underground tv on mobile. com to watch new and old episodes on going underground seas after the,

there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for. so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deal. so let me, let me on 9. have very quick propaganda. you know a price here in your i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the, [000:00:00;00]

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