so calls it, let's, i want my job is to ensure that between now and 2027 and beyond the us military and the allies are capable of prevailing. i want to turn the taiwan straight into an unmanned hill escape using a number of classified capabilities. so that i can make the lives of the chinese utterly miserable for a month, which buys me the time for the rest of everything. real savvy, overpower late, that'll say man, an interview with the washington post where he was off. how lou, as could be to china from invading tie one, well, it isn't, doesn't know if, if you recognize the item, the independent and maintain the so called policy of strategic, i'm been guarantee told with allison, over the 5 on however, present by them is that he can't hold out city american to, to, to i want, if the aging makes a move, retired us a little less tenant, co chiron quick koski told us that the war mongering where trade plays right into

the hands of u. s. military, industrial companies, which is always looking to capitalize on conflicts. i think the idea that the admiral is talking about is that you create a huge number of targets using drones and unmanned naval vehicles. so then we'd have all of these targets then that would somehow overwhelm the chinese target acquisition systems and radars. it's almost very much like a, you know, a strategy that was developed out of a computer game not out of reality or defense. industrial establishments that we find almost to train dollars a year. it wants to make money, the gravy train less continue for defense contractors in the united states. and this contributes to that in a great way. it talks up more, it, it increases anxiety, it increases and justifies demands for new spending. the american people overwhelmingly,

both parties and the independence wants money spent here in the united states. they do not want it shipped overseas. they don't want proxy words, they don't want direct choice. they don't want to pay for those towards the end. it's not just the direct costs of the war of the impacts. the orders have on trade and the economy, the and quality of life at home. so americans are, are economically suffering for the most part, not the wealthy, but to the middle class and below are suffering. and they don't want, they certainly don't want war with china. but that's what i will be back in. that was the, the companies that they might have to express thanks. what percent from the merchant if i read all the slide, you guys pre ebony overnight success story is 20 years in the making. as i already said, right in india marriage is not if washed. so when questions,

i think this is the 1st time in our history that we have clarity and vision in terms of what he wants to achieve. the hello and welcome on no punk kid in the ever evolving landscape of the 21st century . the focus now more than ever is on india. i guess when i did an indian business, executive and angel invested in the shop and shop tanks, india and the founder of in the oldest online match making service shoddy. dot com that is going on with them at the thank you so no problem can i find the dog? say my name. i know how to be sharing my name with you. so am i or decided about to keep your name? i know from my mother and non you decide to okay, and you know, it was still an unusual name when i was born. you know,

it means unique not competitive, but not comfortable. that's a better definition uncomfortable. so there are 2 people sitting at a knology were bound to become comfortable depending on what the only difference is . one person has $15000.00 and the other person does the investing goes. but of course made a lot of hardware and, and the parents blessing speed of the car, make people? yeah. the leaving the site looked like yes. what did your father do when? what is his name? his name is gopalakrishnan, the easiest boss to be, uh, earlier this year. uh, god, best a. so my dad uh, you know, comes from a very young blue background. his father died when he was about 16 years old. any of 4 sisters and 3 brothers to look off the road this time. so he has to stop school. i need pick up a job which paid him under the bees month. im going to come and show the sony move them by. and by the time he came to me by his started do, will it be better and done the salary? and then i was born and i saw him to walk my life spending, you know, 16 hours

a day. i book a building a life for himself and i was, but he brought it up as businesses and fixed it. and so he had a job and then made enough money to set up his own businesses. he set up factories and they'll move liam to learn b, which are far strong, some ups of them by and become an industrialist and his own right. and to come from nothing at that point because very difficult. right? and sort of just forced independence in the he was born and then sort of the opportunities were not as much as they are today. right. and the only way you could do it is to shield hard work the culmination and when you don't have huge respect and admiration. and he's my role model in many ways, e started out as a very strict aggressive father in some ways. but it was the 2nd half here become so philosophically and you know, he was very spiritual is view i buttons become a, become over 9. not about what you can do for me. what, what can i do for you?

so i remember i spent 10 years in the us and then i used to call you had only 2 questions used to say, are you happy? i'd say yeah that and say you need something, i'd say no, it's okay. talk to them. all right, so there was never any. when are you coming back? what are you going to do that would need to mon, for me, for the others? what can i do for me? and so i think that was really powerful and enabling for me as an individual, but your understanding of that then that it was popular that happened later on. it happened later on i in fact kind of part of for the loose. yes. i felt that was in the us can be more things was indeed more involved in my life. so at some level like kind of held it against him for a very long time and you picked up on that. but you know, as a introspect and i look back, i think it gave me the freedom and the wings to be able to do it will go anywhere and do anything without having to feel the pressure off of my going. i have to, you know,

a dealer by my duty of being the only son and being with my parents. my father was a clock in the father's department. they, they, i believe a pool was essentially an engine. so when i made it and movies every conversation will end up, can you send me some more money? so after some family started editing. so i said if you finish a conversation with that, i will not talk to you because we have been used to and then say, are you listening to what i'm not saying? so means basically saying the same thing. yeah. and when he passed away, and i ran into some law and my native and i've been to some like to do is be a set of many thousands of people can because he was very popular as a bus. and he was very helpful. and then what about 50 people in the line to say thank you to me. i need this head to 50 people. he said he was running out of homes . wow, that was what he was doing with the money that i was sending data so amazing unsung . no, not announcing and on and on to yeah, that's very much like my father of and he just boss to be

a decent fee. there were people who are there from far flung areas of india and we was hoping to out his life, but he never told us either. right. so yeah, i can totally understand. i think it's very powerful when a lot of people to give, but very few people to give on announced what made you come back during the after 10 years. because i saw my dad working 16 hours and you know all the time doing business. that's the only thing i knew was as a teenager, i tried a few different businesses and i tried working with my dad as well since he had his business, but nothing was working out. and because i was kinda young and brash and perhaps it was very different at that point, right? we're talking, you know, ninety's now, you know, i mean there was just opening up as a country. we were still a very close socialist society. so i kind of blamed the city, you know, this is all because there's no opportunity. if people don't get it, they don't give up their word. so i'm going to go overseas. so i took off the auto

at an out of money. i came back home with my data between my a legs that i said the, your prop, the problem is that the all the yeah. so this the send us us is whether dreams are made in the that i grew up. it was very thought, don't know why that was socialist in some respects. you know, we never said anything against your a to and i should be sure said something. gloss, you never actually question that and the more to solve. but i'm, that was the pieces were read out the book, some tasks, and you used to just sit and listen. and i never thought that i said, i can do this at home by my offending class. and very interesting, even though it's in the us, the 1st in class, and one of my co store and the 2nd, the peach of steve. i don't agree with you. i was shocked to, i said, 1st of all, you're calling the teacher by his name. and secondly, you say, you don't agree with the beach. i was that even the boss and i said, you're in trouble, boy. but done this out, steve, the professor, he said, uh, tom, why don't you agree with me? can you show perspective? i mean orange to say and off of that uh, you know, he shared with us how is it?

i'm like super spit the slip in the same problem, but my life changed me. i kept my hand up all the time just because i could say, i don't agree with it, even if i agreed. and what i realized at that point, and in the subsequent the time is that your perspective, regardless of what it is mattress site and that was confidence. and i think from there i was able to pick up a lot. and in fact, i would call those my former computers here in the i was always in trouble. i was getting the bad company. i didn't know what i wanted to just because i was getting close to 4 weeks a bed. i started to believe in less and once that happened, you know, i got a job after college, it took me a while to find a job one. so what i'm investigated, that work ethic. i started to believe that i could do anything i could build anything. and so i, you know, after a 10 years that i said look, maybe it's time to be proud and melancholy side. maybe it's time to get back to mom and dad. and you know, i've been know the father long enough and,

and that's kind of when i decided that look, let's set up a company and let's set up a business. let's see how it does. and if it starts doing well, i move back and back with 10032004 is when i move that forward. and i do do just that tradition point and came back on because generally further that it's time to do something for and then you achieve, you want to move on. that's right. that's what your graph sales life, not only as a successful businessman or the burner, but as a person on yeah, it was a couple of things. one, the company that i was working in, you know, this was after the dot com inclusion happen. and so it was going to its own struggles. so i knew that there's maybe not a very long future, a bright future here, but in badly i did have job offers from other companies, wanted me to come in as one of the co founders or early employees and they were getting, by the way, in my early twenties and the company i was working in, i visit not quite trafficking and i was a multi millionaire in my on the 2010 by,

based on paper. and the fact remains that after that i lost it all and then became bankrupt when i moved to india. and i was actually in debt, which i could pay it off before i moved there because of some bad decisions. but i've done very well for myself. so there are other companies that i wanted to hire and they offered me ex salary, which was always in 6 figures for somebody in the early twenty's. i mean, you can buy any car you warranty can live anywhere you want. and they offered leadership positions. but i always had a condo for them in terms of all for that. right. but what was more like with nobody quite we couldn't bridge? did they have match locations? you don't have that stage in life. i don't know how in more of your decision making is it becomes more about ok. you didn't give me what i want, or maybe i'm going to do something else as opposed to maybe. so what, you know, let's, let's find a way to, you know, meet off. so i think it was a bit of that and it was a bit of which, but i couldn't, i want to do something big. my dreams will becoming bigger because i've just seen this whole internet thing. the come something in the us and i knew that it's going

to take or the what and at some point. so my dreams are becoming bigger. at the same time, i was feeling separation, anxiety have been use so many years of pre if this circles have created this friendship, i'm this lifestyle. i was going to give it out. so i did something. but i think 9 site was very smart. i started spending more and more time and getting the so 1st year i spent 34 months next to i spent 6 months and so it took me 3 years to complete the transition. in fact, after i moved back there for 2 years, i did not even give up the home that i had been slipping. then from here because it was just such a big decision. i to let go of everything that i'd spend 10 years doing is that when you started shot the dot com, that's what i started because you were going to try to shut the door. come in america, actually i did. you did. i did, did as well in india at that point. this is lot has changed, but you had a software engineer was 7000 would be someone who had a designer. it was $5000.00

a piece a month. so i had done one of my vacations, hired a 70 people. it was like an opening of editing the paycheck that i was getting right. it was nothing. it was $500.00 a month. and you know, my dad had some office space which was kind of lying, you know, behind the college shed, which was just a room lying around. so i started using that and then i used to work nights. so with that more light thing with these guys trying to think of different businesses, that'd be due. and we actually started a bunch of business and, and i've sorted a couple of them since then, but of course shoddy dot com became the most popular. so that's how people, you know me, but we launched my gone dot com, the launched a couple of other gaming businesses. you know, one of the 1st in the country to launch a gaming business. but charlie dot com. interesting me was a very unique story because one of the yours when i was here in india, i was very independent. so my dad at that point the i develop the camaraderie and

i'm friendship. so he wouldn't tell me. and as i said, he would need to become the police officer. what can i do for you know, what can i do for me? so he will never put the pressure on me. that'd be you should get madder than these meet this person. so, one day as i was sitting some, a gentleman losing his, my dad's friend came in. right. and you know, typically the additional weight that match making happened in india and you know, very soon within 5 minutes and the conversation, i was pretty clear with us because you know, you open up the briefcase on my desk and he started pulling or bio d. does what i called really intrigued to because i was just coming from us with everything was back in a way. and then it was just becoming a thing. i said, how many of these body does new gaddy me? you said, oh, i got a about 5060 in my bag, but i have more you want to see more no noise. how many people do you know in your community? you said maybe 200 or so. so i said that for my choice of life buckner is limited by how much weight different getting and how far they've been traveling. like, oh, here. looked at me a little confused and possible and maybe

a little insulted. i said, look, i'm not trying to the media business. my only point is why don't you give me all these? i have this team of people to be a building different this. this is the word big, then we put them on the internet. yeah. now, and he, this, in the word we can find the, you know, person of their dreams. why just limited to me. and he said yes, but he looked at me as if i was crazy and he never came back. the idea was mine. and so he said, look, this is interesting. and so we see that it'd be, be this website i went back and what's the phone? what's the need for this service? what's much more pronounced in america in the u. k, because these are geographically dispersed indians wanted to connect with like minded people and then network stable very small. and so that started or take off. so be focused on any they didn't have much of an incident. there was only a and b and people on the internet in their main like that for can you see that? so the business started to grow and you'll established offices in the us. you can

kind of built it out. and then i moved back, as i said in 2004, and that became a success overnight or no, it took a while to take away. yeah, it'd be overnight. success story is twin deals in the making. i always see it, right. right. it's just that when people see it, they suddenly see it. of course we started 200-2003 with 44 percent gusto. and i think it took a few years and we started seeing some form of success. so do you think that the 2003 we had in 2024 know how come it's still sort of live in may seem to be now in india also having live in relationships, we are much more a different outlook goods life. lots of relationships, manage and thing that what these people who use or how did you me to of life. one of them we were best offend your best of. yeah. you know, i actually just posted the on instagram recently talking about the secret to successfully manage it is. and i said in that that if you want to successfully

manage mario best friends, may, somebody will even talk to a lot because after a few years that's all you will be doing that side. absolutely. back roger and, and so you and i put apps lucky, small percent that just that happen to have that. but for the vast majority and this a great question. you said, why is it still relevant for the vast majority? this doesn't happen, but what happens in india, marriage is not if crushed it. so when crushed lights on the diamond a child, they're talking already a manage at by somebody else indians. we loved celebrations that it is marriage. and if a man has lived enough, then it's death thoughts. that's as much as we just need any of these into one of the streets and don. yeah, i all right now you have the confidence to do it. open it open, you know, live you sonya during the home so she knows that yeah, yeah. overseas the music, but i haven't used to walk around with the heads down not to be c. like now we do it aloud, but i do think so. i think there's been a major consultation. i think it's fine. the people are proud to be in groups,

right. whether it's your passport ranking, whether it is you diplomatic relationships, whether the soft ball leadership is very important for any organization. by that it's a country, whether it's a company or any pursuit. and i think since independence, we've had some buckets of strongly shipping by and large. we've been confused to. i think this is the 1st time in our history that we have clarity and vision in terms of what you want to achieve. and i think that is very important. the 2nd thing is the kind of leadership is not shy about who we are and our background and nice. we don't apologize for the identity. absolute side all these here is the somehow been reading a western cloak. i mean, floats aside, but pretending to be something they are not. and when you start opening up an embracing, we why? i think people respect you more for the exact right. and so that's what i see

happening in the fact that, of course, is economic success as soon as you become a mock that people want to be and as opposed to a lender snake chalmers, an elephant, and everybody now suddenly wants a piece of us. i mean, the reason more of these situation is a great example of softball, right? and our ability to influence people and the word based on ourself by what in a market economy. and it's only a situation like this. you can tell google that. i don't like you. yeah, yeah, that's true. that's what you did. i did and, and i will continue to what is the issue of the americans? why eventually they do get to that came on ah, please like they've done. would be going, but they call, they've broken all of these up over the years, right? they're very reactive in nature. right? sometimes it's too late. and because of their companies that are creating a monopoly, sometimes it benefits them because they are going on to the monopolies all over the world. so it benefits them to be me good at these situations. but what you're

seeing, the google app, or to some extent is they have on our lodge shades of the internet system to bundling and walk out and payment on, or monopolistic behavior and made it very difficult for anybody else to process but underneath the system. right? so what it says, if you think about it, is really a beneficiary of unbundling. microsoft. microsoft used to bundle that internet explorer browser to which you could access the internet. yeah. with the operating system in which, with their software moving for the case and broke that bundling up. so they could introduce chrome, which is the browser to which we all now experience the internet. so they themselves, out of beneficiary off and be what optimistic action. but i completely agree company wants to be a monopoly, so i don't blame them as much as i blame governments, particularly in the west,

not great thing these situations in time because i've been working. entrepreneurship suffers, innovation suffers, customers suffer because they have less choice. what incentive do i have as a monopoly? to give you better price, single, better products? because i'm already a monopoly. so i think that's what google has done today. in india, if you want to run it into the business, you'll pay google 2030 to 40 percent off your revenue as advertising, because that's the only way to access customers. and that's fed, i think, to some degree that's that which is almost wide with us. but now what they're saying is, you would also be anywhere between 15 percent with 30 percent off field avenue was if you want to be on our app store. wow. so if i'm willing to pay 60 to 70 percent of my revenue to google, how am i going to survive this? and i think this is the thing that we missed as a company. what did you think about china they had me handy or heavy monitor or these entities very close and given protection or not even for

i won't even say production of please give it a level playing fee was domestic. i'm right. because the internet, i can produce a weapon to start just on the media. it's everything, all your data, everything besides, you can just companies bill out to pick it out. so if we had done the, i'd be able to have had 5 companies to in search, in email, in social media, which would each be what $100000000.00 to the wonder bring it in. in addition to the $34.00 companies that you already know, that could be transformation for the country, these would become global companies and die, right? of course we missed that boat and that's fine. but at the same time, i ended, i don't you called at the head of the all these company, there's an indian, isn't that great? how do you think in the present situation, we can come through this or we can handle this? i think there's a couple of this one is a more passively which is, you know,

and ccr has already actually passed a very strong order against google. google is simply not implementing it using clicks of the trade. we should have learned globally and trying to score them out of it. and that's why i said that they will end up being a very heavy punitive, huge and badly for them because they're playing with the law. and today's dispensation and government doesn't take that like so i think since you have come, don't have any of this of the order on that which is competition permission for. and so one is a passive, it already can play by using organization such as c, c. i will show it. there is no monopolistic behavior in the level playing field is available to everyone, and nobody's taking advantage of our ongoing companies. but it was small and medium and the price is right. that's certainly one the other ways, a more active way, which the government has already been doing. so if we look at do today, we are the only country your credit cards are struggling because you'll be always become the preferred mode of payment. absolute. i paid companies to 3 american express sticks. 4 percent from the merchant is highlighted already is free. what,

what are the kind of a piece of innovation and amazing by taking his own nbc, which they're trying to do for e commerce. what they did for being told is our health initiated, which again create common public infrastructure for those to bring up on me. we can do the same thing for that stuff that shift to shop day. yes, i find it very exciting. and now finding that 0 w as an actor, while i'm not acting on being myself, but there are some drama u, p a. this is actually as real as it gets, b, c, the richard who comes on stage to pitch. when you see you have no idea who the pictures. you walk on stage, nbc, the farm, the company. but you're right. i mean, you know, this better than anybody else as soon as a camera. hold on you. yeah. however, the show is that is some drama that comes in because you know, and you have the theme cameras on shop. and so, you know, you become a performer at some level, mike laughed to an interest in acting out on an acting school. so i have detect

a possible act of something that, oh yes, you have done one of the most popular acting schools for the longest time. i felt it was not, you know, deep down maybe it was something i cherished or had value for, but you won't be always putting down, growing up, right. really going to have anybody you go right. this is all the books i read on adult. absolutely. i remember that when we had all of us had black and black and white televisions, and then mr. model, it was sort of by the novel i was in my next door. you go to the color gate in this week and we couldn't deal with it. so we said that he's a cut up man. do you have to justify for yourselves? yeah. all right. and so for the longest be that i was, i wasn't that god at this point in my life, i think i'm really enjoying the role that i play on shock bank. and i don't know if i have to patients or the talent, be very honest to be an actor, right. i have experienced what it is, you know, waiting invited events doing it in shock. thank. do you have a different floor?

might be a busy to out of the kitchen please is driving. i showed them seriously patients not for that and okay. they yeah, i didn't, but other than i did. yeah. but i don't have that. i couldn't be sitting waiting for one shot, doing one shot, and then wrapping up and waiting. that's one seconds. i don't think i have the bad code. i think i'm far more effective, given everything i've known is to continue furthering onto pro shipping this country. building companies, so i think might impact that so which is as far as each ad relation and the recognition. i'm now getting to shop by the list. that part is inactive because that's one. and i think that's the only part that perhaps is very interesting is an act on the ending for that is you get to play so many different professions and understand so many different facets because you have to do some level of research whenever you please. so i can get it to i think i find the activity compelling one

that you would be asking you think a 100 plus a 100 percent and not. and that's a good thing that can happen, because you must do something that you think you've got to take you out of your comfort. so yes, i've read somewhere that you are ex pitcher, the person, and what is bridgewater? did you, you know, we are seen as a land of believers because we have directly so many gods, but reality, historically issue located we are lando seekers and spirituality to meet me is really about seeking. and you know, when you said you are restless, right? but that's, that's what's coming to or as listeners and confusion is the most creative state of affairs. that's why i don't, i have not had a so called traditional holidays. yeah. and all these for the or that i look, i don't think i have gone to some beach and sort of laid on it. yeah, i can do that. i have not done. i can do that myself. yeah. nice on the people to the why do, why are you so restless? why do you keep on doing that?

keeps me well to am. so you're more of an engine than a shock. i'm more do that and sure. i don't know if the phone, those who come and shop thing would agree with you. they think i'm always trying to get the better be would yes, to answer that question in one word, a split to try to be a seeking. and there is no end to seeking. that's right. that's where you can go. all right. it's on. it was a pleasure talking to you on the same here on no problem. thank you so much. wonderful. one lovely, lovely talking to and thank you for watching. join me next week for the in dm it yet engaging debate. only on let's talk about the amount of i'm a kid, i'm a scott the,

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