or in january 2020, while ukraine has been on the front of litigation against the wall to hold the r d . c accountable for the tragedy. the ontario superior court in canada has shifted to blame to ukraine itself, arguing that ukraine airlines is a default for negligence. in grunting flight permits under hazardous conditions, i declare that the defendant has failed to prove that the plaintive damage was not due to the negligence or other wrongful act or mission of the carrier hold up. such damage was solely due to the negligence. all the wrongful acts or admission of a 3rd party, of course, back in 2020, and an escalating tensions between the of on and the was on the i r g. c mistakenly shut down the key balance passenger jet with to surface to air missiles shortly after take off from debt. run the r g c back then uh admitted that its units had mistaken the plane for a hospital american missile, attributing the tragic incident to human error occurred while it was on high alert

. expecting a potential attack from the wes hours after the r d. c. launched a missile strikes targeting get us air basing. it was in retaliation for the us, us as a nation of top boats force commander general. so the money, so the i r d. c said it was expecting a reaction from the us and they shot that airplane down by accident following the tragedy. there was a wave of public and you're in and outside here on demanding apology from the r g c . the command or of the i r g. c. aerospace division did express remorse and extend it condolences. so the brief families into juan, a court convicted 10 year warranty, and military personnel for their involvement and the downing of the plane. however, it seemed that a certain western countries had found something to latch onto uh to on lease a new april lane game and fingerprint thing against a rock country. it was um,

a nationals were on board the plane including canada, sweden, ukraine, and nb. okay, were quick to pursue a legal action at the international court of justice. are seeking damages from one end, attempting to portray the incident as intentional in 2022 article jointly requested that it was submitted to binding arbitration. arguing that the missiles that had the fly for launch quotes on lawfully sent intentionally now, the recent verdict by the ontario court must have caught keith by surprise. as the presiding judge has, of course said, following the issuance of the court order that the decision sends a strong message that during times of conflict, airlines must exercise caution. prioritize the safety of their passengers to well that runs out. this is our feeling, the bell. i'm his guess so on cost over the x and will be back, the the

hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter live out as western leaders recklessly talk of escalating the conflict in ukraine, european voters that said the exact opposite message pro war leads are clearly out of step with voters, and they've been punished for in the cross section ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, daniel mcadams, in lake jackson. he is the executive director of the bronco institute for peace and prosperity in washington. we have richard cook. he is

a former us federal policy analyst as well as author of our country then and now and in montreal, we crossed to matthew erect. he is a senior fellow at the american university in moscow and director of the rising tide foundation of canada. gentlemen, comstock girls, in effect, that means it can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate danielle, let me go to you 1st. i mean i, i woke up this morning finding out to you and i are the same enemies list. okay. i still again, um you and i, uh you seem to be highly profile than these enemies list. again, another one of these lists that are funded by the us government. good money. i used in this fashion, tax k or a pay or money your thoughts. so i'm just obviously hanging out with the route wrong crowd i the the battery close on me 100. i think this time they may have stepped on it a little bit because um, you know, there were 390 some of the prominent americans, myself. excluded of course. but you're talking about donald trump. e, long musk,

tucker carlson. uh, you know, and the fact that this uh, organization um text is affiliated with the us government to the us state department. and with the project they did together and through the usa id, which funds that are project with them. it's going to, i think, make it a little bit embarrassing, as i mentioned on our program yesterday. if i was a member of congress, i'd go down to the floor and say, i would like to know exactly what's going on with our foreign policy. why are we subsidizing a country that is putting americans on list when they know that they've had other list, they put people on that have been killed? so, i mean, i think somebody like a margery taylor green could do it. you know, the matt gates could do it, any of these guys could go down there and make a real scandal out of this. yeah, but the very fact that it's happening is a scandal in itself. i mean, again, you know, they, they do us, nato is supporting ukraine because of its democracy in our shared values. i have no idea what the share values are whatsoever,

and it's just shameful on the part of the us government, particularly the bye, didn't ministration. you know, richard, i started out with my introduction about the european elections and we don't have to delve deeply into them here. but i mean, the message is quite obvious to something that i've been saying on this program. and daniel has been saying on his program. but this isn't a leak project, the ukraine project is a lead project. been if you give the voters the chance every once in a while, they're going to tell you what they think about it. and so you have a leadership in germany and in france where they were embarrassed in front of the public for their public stance on this issue here. i don't know if it will have any impact, but every once in a while and it's, it's a trial balloon to see what people actually think your thoughts as well. i think as we realize, and one of the major themes in my book or countries in and now is that the western world was taken over by the global this party many

decades ago. and the amazon global is party, as we saw by the program put together by the council on foreign relations, right before world war 2 was to go over the course of time the united states, as the enforcer of a global hegemony would engineer a military domination of the entire globe that project has been going on now for a well over a half a century. and what we are seeing today is the other parts of the world standing up to that and saying, no, we're not going to go along with it. but there's a tremendous upsurge of uh, of rethinking going on among the population to the western world, including in europe and, and i know i have my own family and in germany i have a german american grandchildren,

a and the population of europe is finally themselves. rising up and saying this is ridiculous. why do we need what paperwork pepe escobar, called the head german controlling everything all the time. so that's of sure, well, maybe richard and they're not even doing a very good job of it. i mean, you know that, that's the problem here. you know, matthew, what we've seen over the last few weeks is escalation. i'm calling this program the folly of escalation. and you know, escalation only works or doesn't work to a certain point here. and we go into the realm of nuclear weapons and deterrence. and the problem i see here is it's what got us through the cold war was deterrence . both sides agreed about the theory and practice of deterrence. now we have one side the west and says, now we're not going to play the guitar escape. he's there doing that at our great peril. everyone's peril. matthew. yeah, it, it is really concerning the,

the new logic that entered the scene with these 3rd generation technocrats that seemed to have a real loss in mental aptitude that was seen at the very least as vicious as people like kissinger or b brzezinski where they had a certain sense, at least of their self interest. and the idea of deterrence was a big factor of mutual assured destruction which i, again don't, i don't, i don't even think that the mutual assured destruction idea was necessary or good. but the very least, there was an idea of a one sided wasn't going to win nuclear war ways. now, with these younger generation technocrats that have been drinking their own kool aid and operating on these games to remodels living, deemed out again and again for the past 2530 years, demonstrating that there, it's just equally possible somehow that according to these computers to we are at least with minimal collateral damage with our, you know, asian or european allies, collateral damage accepted. but, but it's still possible with their motive,

their war, and they're acting upon this insanity, despite all the evidence to the contrary. and despite the hypersonic missiles, the candles, the other next generation weapons that demonstrate that these mathematical models are, are foolish, are they don't work in reality, but they're still acting on it. and it is very candid, matthew, it's even more concerning and doesn't get the coverage. it deserves obviously in western media. is it? and i think daniel will agree with me here is that over the last few weeks, even months right now, we could use the starting point of tucker carlson, this interview with why don't we have food and that's a good benchmark. they're, they're very well aware how the us in nature was disregarding the they these, these concept of deterrence. i mean, even to the point of pleading. so i, would you sober up? would you wake up? let me throw that to daniel. daniel, what do you think about that? i mean, to me, it looks like, uh, escalation is the new router of off and you know, the new wonder weapon because everything they put out has been fail, has failed from the javelins to the least. the leopards. everything is spill,

so the new wonder weapon, now you create and what is the one? if only we would have let them stripe the russians as they were amassing over the board. if only you had done that, then they would have why. so if we start doing that, then the, when it was the same thing with the money, oh, if the republicans would only stop dragging their feet and pass this money while they did pass. so money didn't change the thing. and now this is the next escalation because in their minds, and this is how neo cons operate. they don't have a they don't have the same thought process as a we do, which is a pollutant is bluffing. rush is bluffing, they're afraid of us. we're number one where the interest as well nation. so no matter what we do, they will retaliate and it's a dangerous and deadly game that they're playing with our lives. you know, richard, i, i here on various pod cast these days. the russians don't bluff, they act. well yours truly said that about 2 and a half years ago and now it's gotten currency. i wish i would get the royalties for saying it, but i don't. but richard, that is the point here. they're playing

a game of bluff that they think that they can win and no one will win this, this game of chicken as well. what we don't realize enough is that all this will big bluff game is to cover up a total of play. natural collapse of the western world of the western world has been sinking deeper and deeper into debt due to issue usury based financial system going back. really a centuries. they sucked up all of the money in the world that they can get their hands on. but now we're looking at catastrophic debt. so particularly within the united states in the us government, where the government debt is over. a 125 percent of the judy pay, which, which is acknowledged as being catastrophic. and i have said that the us government has been functionally bankrupt now for 15 years. the only reason they've escaped

from it is a treasury bond level finance by purchase, by the federal reserve of us government debt. because everybody else, particularly china, is dumping their us. so all of this looming in the background wearing down the tracks like a runaway train. the system has to cover it up by all of this bluff and all of these for an extra page. there are a smoke screen for what is really happening now. and matthew, you, we had lindsey graham the most and tore us of them all. he just said in the last new cycle, what it's really all about and ukraine, the ukraine is a gold mine. i mean, another market to put a pillage. i mean they, they really say the quiet part outside, out every once in a while. go ahead, matthew. yeah. what does it, what did you say 10 to 12 truly. yeah. dollars, minerals. uh and uh, yeah. what, why, why look, the russians and attorneys have the actually included both russia and china in is narratives. we could have it. i mean, it,

it's like this is inside what stuff and you're just coming out saying it. but then again they're, they're also say, and they're, they're going on a flight board right now as well. i mean, they're looking to try to get the additional $300000000000.00 to cops get some rough for an asset or they are still going for that. there, there, there, there is, i think it's tied to what richard was just saying that there's this collapse function that, that is positive on some level by these, these neil con freaks. and they're just grappling, we're straws for anything that will get them to, to be preserved from being sucked into this oncoming, of bits of collapse. and so they're there, get in a desperate flight, ford motor of what can i get? what can i steal to keep this boat afloat a little bit longer, but it's destined to collapse. it can't do anything but collapse unless you, you get your head out of your ass and you realize that we need systemic errors over decades. and let's start making corrections, but if you don't do that, well, when the magic, what makes it worse? matthew is that they everything that you just said what richard just said about the

economy and then tie in election cycles. okay, so just keep the government going into november. unfortunately, the whole world doesn't revolve around american elections. thankfully finish up before we go to the break. matthew, you know, i, i think like a, like i said, the, the window is closing very fast right now. and, and russian has offered us trend has offered us all of these wonderful windows of opportunity to actually demonstrate what a real cooperative partnership can look like. how we can build infrastructure together. and we've chosen to look the other way over decades now. and to go for hedge money instead. so and, and, and that is a craven choice that we've discussed on this program for years. gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with the the,

what is the part of is it that the employee would post that isn't the defense you of us in that in the word? or is it something deeper, more complex might be present good. let's stop without keesha's desktop out of the welcome. next across stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle to mind you were discussing ukraine, the . okay, let's go back to daniel in lake jackson, speaking of one year of weapons, the f sixteens are on their way. we're told. okay, but i'm is reading that for a while here, but ukraine says, you know, with the, with it to the wonder weapon they're going to store station some of their f

sixteens outside of ukraine. well presumably that means maybe poland, maybe romania, maybe the baltic states. so this bodes very, very badly because for the russian point of view, it doesn't really matter where these planes are stationed, if they're going to be designed to kill russians or even into a russian aerospace. so they're targets. of course i'm getting at article 5, daniel a. yeah, i mean it doesn't take the military expert and i'm far from one to understand that the 16 is, are not a game changer. they can, you know, you can brush it has air dominance. that's an absolute fact. you know, i mean, anyone with an eye with eyes can see this. and so they realize this is the case. they can't take off on you crazy and run ways because the russians will bomb the runways and then the f sixteens, i apparently are very quirky and they have to have for steam run ways to take call from. although otherwise a great plane, never the less so they're going to have to store them and hide them. and romania and poland. pretty dumb idea. and what's the last thing that i read is that the

ones that are hidden over there will not be used in combat. they're just kind of spares in case or when the other ones are shot down, which will be the case. and peter, if i could just add one very quick thing on the lindsey cramping, which is very funny, i was just looking got a chart before the show and lindsay grams, 12 trillion dollars worth of minerals over half of them are located in the 4 provinces that are already part of russia. so good luck with that. have mr. graham, mrs. graham. well, i mean, miss mcdaniel, but this is also all part of a paradigm that we've seen since the end of the cold war stay under the soviet union. now it's the end of russia, this is, this has been their mindset all along. let me throw it to richard here. i mean, if you, if you look at the, how joe biden soiled, the normandy, come member ations, apparently he sold it in more than one way. all of that are viewers the decide on that. but you mean, you know, when he's the cheering on the death of a russian soldiers had at an event where the united states and the soviet union

were allies. and in an event where the allies could have only invaded normandy, because of the soviet advances on the eastern front. i mean, the, from the russian side, you know, is like the napoleon napoleon, the germans denazi's. and now we have nato. it's all part of the same, seamless view of history. richard. well, the western way of making war and i point particular to the british and to the americans is to show, provokes the other side of that. the other side will react in such a way that we can then point the finger at them and blame them for starting the war . this is the way the spanish american war began was, remember, the main. it's the way the united states army wiped out to native americans because they would, uh, so uh, pressure the native americans killing off there is a buffalo that when the native americans reacted they would go in and they would

decimate and destroy the villages. it was the way the united states provoked the japanese into an attacking before world war 2 and is quite obvious to what we're trying to do. all right, and commentators say this over and over again is to show pressure russia to pressure china that they will react in such a way that we can then say, oh, they started the war. we have clean hands, so we're going to go after them because they're to blame. not. uh, yeah, so yeah, i agree with you. absolutely. but matthew, we have something called the nuclear weapons this time around. and i'd like to point out to everyone. when you look at great power politics, you tried great powers, try to avoid direct confrontation with other great powers. you know why? because you might lose. that's why you fight proxy wars. the by the administration can seem to get through. it's that through it's fix, go go ahead, matthew, that you have whether there's a lack of wisdom on a, on

a lot of levels. right. and we, in terms of what richard was just saying, i think that that's actually really interesting, that there is an inability to take the lessons, basic elementary lessons from history and apply them. i mean deedee just happened to opening up the the, the 2nd friday after postponing it for a year and a half after pay. but it finally happened. it happened largely because the sacrifice of the russians were carried up the balance for stone and stone. read the amount of sacrifice of rush it to the russians and the chinese carrying the weight of world war 2 mostly is on their shoulders. with 90 percent of them are being absorbed by the russian military and the russian people with all of that was ignored until we entered in mid 1944. on the 2nd front of the we stayed in europe. i mean, it, all of that was ignored in all of the da commemorations by biting by these. you're keen technocrats. they just completely ignored the russian sacrifice because it's not convenient to be reminded of that when the current object agenda is to re

replay world war 2. but on the other side we're, we're all, all of a sudden taking the as offs off of a wow. i did you read my mind? that's exactly where i want to go. daniel daniel, you know a now american arms can be used by the us of battalion, about 10 years ago. that was uh, considered illegal by the us congress. now they've convincingly given neo fascist the green light to use our weapons. okay. this is extraordinary. what kind of coverage does it get? oh, that does it. they were, they were faded on the campus of stanford not too long ago. this is this really about values or if it's about values the brought there is there the wrong values, daniel? one of the reasons you and i and so many others made that list. peter is because, according to the organization, people who suggest that there's a nazi problem in ukraine, the are pushing russian propaganda. well, again, is that all you have to do is have eyes to see and you can see these are not the nicest guy as on the block. and so the idea that they can use the weapons isn't as

a reflection of the desperation. i mean, i don't know if you gentlemen saw, but as of yesterday i think it was the end. the loo press agency published some photographs of value crate in military men. and i mean, i'm not a young guy anymore. but these guys looked like, you know, my dad's age, i mean pretty, pretty bad. pretty, pretty old desperation. there's no man left a fight and that's a problem. and again, we're headed by people like, like the by the administration where button is just simply not a player in this game. so that falls to the 2nd tier, people like jake sullivan. and if you look over jakes career and we don't have time to go into it now, but this guy has a string of failures, you know, going back to, to libya. i mean this, this guy has, has no achievements whatsoever the same as to a 20 blinking as a i think what you started out. these are men without achieving in their lives without anything other than this idea of power politics and establishing the narrative. their narrative establishes that's, that's what i can do. yeah. but, but daniel, if i can show it to richard, they're not good at any of these things. even an established thing. the difference

if they can't deem it so you keep it straight. i mean, this is what they, they don't deal with the real world. they deal with the world what they want it to be. and this is the big disconnect because the russians are primarily concerned with their security. i'm not really sure what the west is concerned about beyond had gemini, which it doesn't. where is it working out for them. anyway, richard is where we need to look at who is busting these people around, where their orders are coming from, or orders are coming from to use a phrase, big global banking and finance. these are the ones who run the hedge them on the use of one to give the orders to the neo cons to each other ones who gives the orders to the us military. now i'm sure daniel has noticed with great interest. the representative, thomas massey, is introduced to bill in congress, very reminiscent of rome, paul, which is to abolish the federal reserve that goes to the heart of the matter. no,

he doesn't proposing that bill what we're going to put in its place. but what we have to put in this place is and been pitching us monetary system. but a recognizes the banking system has run the united states and the rest of the western world into a function of bankruptcy. and be we need a new monetary system based on building a functioning society for all of our citizens. so that's kind of where we're at right now. yeah. well, what's really interesting, matthew, is that we go, we got to kind of a sneak preview in saint petersburg. it's a conference out there last week, but we're going to get it in october. i think when the breaks, as they are, um annual meeting is going to be in cars on russia. and i think they're gonna roll out their own switch to the mit all about the monetary system that richard was talking about. except for this one will work with out the dollar, matthew yeah. pushing this has made that clear that that's the intention. i know you are the reading,

informed minister or the finance minister last month. also saying that this was in the works. russia is already, i think now i the last it just a guy read was that 86 percent of transactions take place in local currencies versus 23 percent. last year seen time in, in russian, the russian central bank at least. so you definitely have the convergence, i think by this growing multi polar lines, the bricks which is now seeing, i think there is like with the turkish or foreign minister, calling to join the bricks. there's a huge waiting list now of other nations wanting to get on board this a viable thing that can flow where the current system of the you, the us dollar is obviously tanking people want off the ship. and i think it's only a matter of time, and as you said, the next brick summit might very well bleed be a place where we see a watershed breakthrough on the, the alternative to swift as a fully integrated payment system. and god knows what might, what beautiful things might come out of that, you know, and daniel, you know, is what, these, the, the new elections that are being called in france. and there we could possibly see

it in germany. what they're doing is they're all calling for a war economy. they, they're preparing for a war that they can easily avoid explaining that somebody's like me preparing for a marathon. yeah, i can prepare, but it's not gonna happen, right? i mean, for economy, what economy, you don't have an economy, you had your pipelines blown up by the americans. what are you talking about? you know, it's a complete joke and i think that's why the european public. i mean, this is a referendum on how they feel their leaders are doing. guess what? they're not very happy in use. the the a f d dominated the entire eastern part of germany. i mean, this is a massive protest boat. so my guess is we'll put this in, daniel was in light of what you just said considering the demon ization that party experience for months before the election. they still did. well, i'm sorry to interrupt, keep going. no, you're absolutely right. i mean, they were one step away from being outlaw them. they may still try to do that. my guess is what's gonna happen next. are the sloops are going to get busy? they're going to infiltrate these parties. they're going to have

a rogue party members saying crazy things so that they can demonize the parties. they're going to do whatever they can because i think they're in full panic. now with these, with these elections in france as well. i mean, we're looking at the pen, i mean, possibly a ministry crowd loses the snap elections. he called maybe you quit. and if that's the case, i mean there could be a, a real tidal waves there. and so the next step is for the spoofs to get in and undermine the whole thing. yeah, it's all about us a top democracy versus a, a talk receive. but what i see going on in the west is the most fundamental anti democratic impulses. here we're seeing what the, the, i think the washington post is doing to the grays zone. and i think that is a trial balloon. unfortunately, how are they gonna go after other people like on this program? who are dissenting? okay, that's, that's the next major block. we have to deal with the gentleman that's all the time we have on with like my guess in montreal, washington and in lake jackson. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie. see you next time. remember prospect rules

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