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world from the u. a. in a week when russian nuclear submarines junction havana today is the final day for g . 7 lead isn't fully easily and genocide in gaza and targeting russia with missiles . it follows bricks, foreign ministers, including the res jacob dela, inside the la meeting and russia to try the new multi polar world away from the catastrophic nature of nation rules. based on to joe biden, there will be an l. a. with the butcher of libya, barack obama and celebrities, george clooney, and julia roberts to finance his election campaign. even he refused to go to switzerland. today i was seeing a bizarre ukraine peace conference with russia is banned from attending savanski who is out to a democracy in u k. p. m, where she saw an academic elected by the popular vote to be pm in britain, will be that the apparently and these dangerous times when you pay awards, i'll give the never be nearer and drawing from new york by a former advisor to a successive un secretary general professor jeffrey sachs is director of the center for sustainable development at columbia university and president of the you and

sustainable development solutions network. yes of business special adviser to you and it's x rays. general clicking on ben key moon. and antonio gutierrez, thank you so much for visits. expiry coming on. you've been pilots in your work trying to allow the weld the need for negotiations on ukraine and gaza. i suppose i have to ask you, given your former advisor to so many governments, why your no more on so called mainstream media, you ones are kind of blacklist. you're not needed. your voice, these john list think as well as in the united states. so the word negotiation became a dirty word, so they don't want to hear much about this and they don't want to admit that it's the united states, a utter failure of diplomacy. that is the real story of the continuation of the crime war. so it's, it's a little bit hard to get through. i know these are essentially a government mediated media in,

in the us. they're not owned by the us government, but they seem to depend on the official narrative as their guide post. and i, most of the american people don't trust this, so they are not in favor of the foreign policy that divide and has been pursuing i, they want to change. and so they're hearing it even if it's not the main screen, but channels. yeah, i mean we are to name drove i was, i saw on the phone just email hush the other day and actually side came on this show off to his piece about the north stream pipeline supplying energy to germany, which has boomed and going underground. produces a track down your own bloomberg. on october the to 3rd and 2022 and the presented to them came interrupted. you see me outrage thing, jeff? we've got to stop there when you suggested that the united states could have been involved. and that was before i see much as a piece and you said, i know this runs counter to

a narrative and you're not allowed to say these things in the west. i was that interestingly, you know, when, when i post spoken to was some leading journal, as of course they agree with me. i privately but publicly their, their papers or the media se does the opposite god. so this narrative is like is a game, but a very deadly one and a very stupid one in a lot of ways. so much of what we hear day today is just lies. it's just a minute. elation i, it doesn't even really pass for the truth. but in the past, this time, i saw that our government officials have something to say even when they're doing outragious things. i mean, in terms of scale, even higher than guys in ukraine cove, it was a huge store. you were on the launch at cove, it commissioned the launch at the pre eminence scholarly journal in britain and

medical journal. you maintain that coverage and bio warfare were related as regards to the, the warranty. they're obviously a story that we can't even talk about here. if we want to be a, well, a g, the a, it's a very, it's a very strange thing. the, the pandemic, a claim to around 20 millions lives. there are very good reasons to believe that the virus came out of a laboratory work paid for funded brainstorm by the us. and actually having a serious discussion about it has been extraordinarily difficult. you can imagine why the us government does have won an open investigation. but what is surprising to me is how few i supposedly got a independent the investigators and journalist if i cared to, to look into this. and even the scientists have done a miserable job,

scientific community policing its own community because this was a scientific venture. i'll be a one led by the us government. and the scientific community has not asked her questions. let me just say the origins of cyrus code to the virus that causes cove, it is still unknown. i would put it at most likely. i would say overwhelmingly likely that it came out of the laboratory research rather than out of nature as has been told to us. but we still don't know for sure. but what i can tell you is that there's been a lot of fate news about this, that it surely came out of the marketplace and so forth. and this is deception, not an honest inquiries the marketplace in china because there was

a us guides that, well, let's get on into this final day of the g 7 in the poorly a 7 countries as corporations, of literally making a killing of what is going on in gaza, i mean, do you think it's there's a case of saying the g stands for genocide after what you mean watching and saying these last 8 months in the latest round of violence that's been happening for decades in west asia in palestine. the g 7 countries, but mainly the united states, which is the, the leader of the g 7. i grew into a lot of arrogance over the years of believing they could do what they want, say what they want when, where they would want to win. and so on. this is gotten the world into a 3 massive i geo political crises right now. of course ukraine complete disaster for ukraine itself, 1st and foremost. but also for europe, the rest of the world, the devastating

a more i a genocidal war by israel, gaza, and tensions that are at the edge of exploding into open war in east asia. and especially over taiwan, of us is to my mind, you're responsible after and all 3 of these advance when it comes to ukraine. the, your responsibility is that this war could easily have been avoided, that i really being easily by nato. that means the us declaring clearly nato will not expand to ukraine. this was a promise given to the soviet and russian leaders back in the early 19 ninety's that made a wonderful one each eastward. and that day to has moved or tried to move relentlessly

eastward and sorry to interrupt you for positive. you know that the circle john list, some would say external group is repeating, this would unprovoked when it comes to russia. moving to save the questions in these, what do you do you just flinch? every time you hear this phrase unprovoked, which is used by, i don't flinch. i, i, last, i, and i guess do crazy just a little bit because 1st of all, this is a provoked war. second, the word unprovoked is proof out in the sense this is part of the talking points of all of these reporters. they wouldn't even come up with the same word, same exact word, repeated endlessly, word not so following. so this is a war that had many provocations. it was a war that could easily have been avoided. when i said many provocations, it goes back to the us plan to expand nato, to ukraine,

to georgia. back to the 19 ninety's does big bridge inskeep, contrary to promises that were made at the end of what we thought was the end of the cold war, i should say, i, the unilateral us withdrawal from the abm treaty and 2000 to the $78.00 days of the bombing of bell grade by the united states and its allies in 1999 to break that country apart and install a nato military base in cost of old, carved out from serbia. the overthrow of victory on a co which in february 2014 i where i victoria newland, the assistant secretary of state for european affairs at the time was point person for this. i an absolutely in collaboration on regime change. i the absolute failure of the us,

germany and france to abide by defend and i insist on the implementation of the bids, 2 agreements per vote of the car. so it was provo tore stone. come out of nowhere, i and do any one watching the history of this is seen these prob occasions all along. and the point that i keep making is that at the, at the, the 2020 ones i. this is already 9 years into conflict which started with the over trogie article that uh, by the united states and right wing forces in ukraine. 9 years later, the big war could have been avoided and they fight and could have stopped. when russia put on the table, a revised us russia security arrangement based on ukraine's neutrality on the non enlargement of data. when i told the white house, then take it,

the goal she ate, of course there you find them off, agree but negotiate. i mean, did you speak to the state department as i spoke to the white house and a guy said, don't have a more over this. this is obviously avoidable. you see, i know you're saying it's all v as in banking moon is being on this, you'll be able to watch our interview with them. and he certainly said things that he might not have said when he was secretary general. but you were advised that the secretary general's secretaries general about of these the graphics. are you correct way to talk about them? if you, if you say this is so will be as does antonio gutierrez. don't know that it's that old business because i think he may have used the word. i'm provoked at one stage or other. i think you're the leaders around the world know that a, this is a proxy war. i'm not going to put words in anybody's mouth. least of all the secretary general, but i speak to a leaders all over the world. and i can tell you,

there is a widespread feeling very widespread. that this is a proxy war between the us and russia, that the nato enlargement is a key part of it, and that it should stop now with negotiations. and that ukraine is the 1st and foremost victim of all of this refusal on the western side to negotiate and this risk conference. so it's a no longer neutral lawgiver. now this was conference was a shambolic to begin with and it's chip all it all the way through. it is meaningless. i. it was a show. it's sad. it's sad to see switzerland be used this way. it really is sad to be to see switzerland use this way. as a fax office don't allow itself to be used this way, professor, fax off a copy of a bullet from columbia university as director of the center for sustainable development after the spring.

the oh the the the welcome back to going on the ground. i'm still here with professor jeffrey sachs, president with the united nation sustainable development solutions network. present you told me about how the switch conference today doesn't mean much. obviously

brush has not invited in to it. you're supporting jill stein. i understand how for the us presidency, presidential elections. it looks like trump, many of the polls are saying, will there be any difference when it comes to gaza, specifically, or will they definitely be some change on ukraine or very difficult to tell. based on the pronouncements of trump and that back as we should say, that there are prominent is riley lobbyist backing the backing for biden. and for trump, look my advice to the rest of the world, which is so i 95.9 percent of the world because the us is 4 point one percent of the world population is be serious. the consequent insist on truth hanging together and don't expect any

miracles. even stability necessarily from the united states. the us is going to be stable and unpredictable. i after november, no matter what happens i. neither of the 2 lead candidates is a, it is a candidate for peace. they each have their own different modes of behavior. but neither is going to bring the kind of a reason i a peaceful approach to the world that we urgently need. it's going to have to come from the rest of the world that says, look, you're a big and powerful country, but you cannot run roughshod over the world. and the us bluster say will leave the you. when will leave, this agency will lead this a will walk out of this pre to get it may do many things, but the rest of the world is much,

much bigger part of humanity. i ended by acting wisely, judiciously operating under the un charter abiding by treaties being patient with us. please give a time to get back to normal. i think that this is the best approach, because for all the optimism, it breaks conferences. the recent one that the one coming up in uh, cuz on, if you are a world leader and you do advise some of them i to present to you give that advice to them. what do you suppose to do? and you were threatened by people from the state department or some of the other agencies of the united states when you refused to obey us policy, whether it be a threat to your car and see whether it be 2 media attacks on your country. we've seen that growing during the gaza conflict when some gcc countries oppose us policy on what's happening. and guys, what are they supposed to do but a back? so i think what they are seeing is that the,

these us sanctions and i arm twisting approaches are just not as decisive as was generally considered even a year or 2 or 3 ago, after all, i what was going to quote, to feed russia. this was a taking rush out of the swift banking system. this was the western sanctions that were going to be put on it. of course it failed, utterly and completely i. this is part of the point of the breaks. the breaks countries are now 36 percent of world outputs compared to 29 percent of the g 7 were in a different age a. so what yes, threats can be made, but i don't think that they can be decisive. i. i think if the rest of the world is calm and cool and not divided relentlessly,

as the us tries to do because that after all is the basic strategy of the empire is a given day at enter, a divide and conquer. if the rest of the world is it's stable, i careful. i, i would say very prudent and professional in each state craft and diplomacy. these threats are just not so powerful. they are illegal in international law. they are really twist international institutions out of shape which don't want to be twisted out of shape. and so i think that there's actually real opportunity here for progress even with the united states not does not cooperating. or, you know, one of the things that will move the 2 state solution to really being implemented

is the unity of the european countries. they've been very, very clear. i the re, uh, last november uh, getting involved rain in may the box rain declaration to support it lays out what needs to be done. the king about rain has a further consultative course with president putin with president children pain. this is what the way watch it wants, diplomacy. it wants a systematic approach. it does want the united states saying to one year or patrick, by our side will give you some goodies, but break with the rest. it doesn't want that. and this kind of unity will prevail because we all mean that the one state solution is and we'll talk about amongst a palestinian resistance group. it has to be said and you really saying to me that, but let me say, let, let, let me just say a word about that. if i may, there is an overwhelming world wide consensus that

we need to states for 2 people right now. and there is absolutely a one state solution top of mind among guys, both sides of this conflict and a that is the, unfortunately, the path to continued war and the world, whether it's china or russia, or brazil, or india, or even in mumbling way, the united states but a veto is all practical approaches so far. i says look, we've got to settle this on the basis of the international law dating back to 1947 actually and 1967 and analysts analysts a discussions. so that's the, the world wide to view the united states has blocked it repeatedly on his rails, but half is rarely government definitely wants

a one state solution. they call it greater israel. i, they don't disagree with the one state. so i just mean that kind of went from page to say who, who provides, i know i, but i'm telling you that if we're going to have peace, it's going to be peace on the basis of what the world says. we need to stop the depths, the killing, the suffering, which is horrendous, which is genocide. it needs to stop. yeah. you remark recently on the fact that the nearby rain went to moscow and the badging. so we know that the, the kingdom is out here, a beer is refusing to cut wild production on the orders of the united states ahead of november election. so what happens as the united states really run out of threats then against these dcc countries that are clearly uh for very different policies as regards gaza. the u. a of course, was a holding a rotating pin. have you in security council kept on trying to put forward resolutions,

the united states is going to just give up on threatening gcc countries that can rest easy, or we, in this region, going to expect further. the threats and we not sanctions, it can be reputational damage in media. i love my my own view. what this is that since 1915, the arab world has been manipulated repeatedly. i, it is the need to be manipulated by the mcmann letters of the britain promising an error in the state after the end of world war one. it was manipulated and dislikes the code treaty was manipulated in uh, uh, uh, in uh, the balfour declaration which was contradictory to those 1st 2 initiatives. in

other words brenton was what an empire is. it was utterly deceitful and arrogant and imposed together with france and america's acquiescence. a per size settlement that meant a 100 years plus of manipulation of europe. world, everybody knows this. this is a long, sad story of outside manipulation. my own view for whatever it's worth is that this era of manipulation can come to an end. it comes to an end by unity. because the yes, the us, uh, if it's dealing with one particular country, you don't have a lot of power. if it's dealing with the $22.00 members of the or a league of much less if it's dealing with the $57.00 countries of the organization of islam to cooperation. virtually not, these threats don't count in less those or threatened to allow themselves to be

divided and manipulated by an outside threat. i think the world's changing, i think good. the idea that one country weather was britain, it's up to was 1945 for the united states. afterwards, i can make it so on the so threatening the others manipulate international organizations, manipulate the international payment system. i think that this era is really at an end and the we are entering a multi polar world. but it's very dangerous this moment. well, let's just find the look at the danger. so this is without an i n f treaty is we know, what did you make then of, uh, the united states and by the ministration changing policy saying that the weapons that the same thing like britain did a while back. and france and germany, they can talk at russia directly. and the united states. now saying the as of battalion,

you might have to describe whether they are not seeing kline because you're banned from saying though it's inc lined. if you're in brit, uh, what do you make of these announcement of being able to target russia directly of arming the as of battalion as a russian worship, talks in nevada with hypersonic miss us. next. first of all, by the news or of all of this, is the ukrainian people, perhaps 500000 deaths of ukrainians a to this point devastation of so much of ukraine. i. this is largely at the best of the united states. because when an agreement between russia and ukraine was tentatively breached in ankara, in march 2022, based on one principle that will end this war,

ukraine's neutrality. the us swooped in, boris johnson swooped in, said, don't take it your own way and well. this was a, a terrible, terrible advice, but a piece of advice, but it was also a dreadful awful miscalculate. i'm sorry, you were just very breathing. 600000 killed. hundreds of thousands killed because of this several 100000 more debts in ukraine of ukrainians because of that decision without question. of course, it's a auto tragedy. ukraine is often losing more than a 1000 people to were dead and wounded every day right now on the battlefield. i rushes military superiority in the air and artillery is very clear it's, it's the us that keeps pushing them to, to fight to the last few crania knows that a dreadful ironic, good phrase. so puts it, but there's accuracy to it. it's the us don't take arms, can't fight,

and keep fighting, keep dying. instead of negotiating a basic point, neutrality, a space between the us led military alliance and russia just a space. this is a good rocket science. this is a basic idea of state crap that goes back more than 2000 years, leave a little space in between the major powers and there can be peace. and so as regards this talk, you think of russia as well. everything is an installation right now because i think among other things we know in american history, i don't lose before an election. so by now it has an election coming up in november and they don't want to see something like we saw in afghanistan in 2021. another. do us a misadventure? the dated 40 yours by the way, long story, different one. but in any event i,

they don't want to see that before november, so they keep the school up toward pap, which is extraordinarily dangerous and extraordinarily reckless and good. we should be pretty peeved about it because it's putting the whole world at risk for hazard jeffrey sachs. thank you. great to be with you. thank you. that's over the show. i'll continue condolences to those re by u. k. u. s. u, i'm genocide will be back on monday with the electronic intifada is valuable. niema to breakdown false narratives about israel's genocide in nature, mainstream media. and you'll then keep in touch by social media if it's so expensive, you know, country and i to a channel going underground tv on normal don't come to it's new and old episodes on going undergrad. see monday, the

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