amr and celebrities, george clooney and julia roberts to finance his election campaign. even he refused to go to switzerland. today i was thing a bizarre ukraine peace conference. we're russia is banned from attending. so then sky, who is out to a democracy in u. k. p. m or she, so an academic elected by the popular vote to be pm in britain will be there though apparently, and these dangerous times when nuclear war is arguably never be nearer. i'm drawing from new york by a former advisor to a successive un secretary general. professor jeffrey sachs is director of the center for sustainable development at columbia university and president of the you and sustainable development solutions network. yes of is a special advisor. do you ins, x rays, general cooking on bunkie moon and antonio gutierrez, thank you so much for of as, as expo coming on. you've been pilots in your work trying to allow the weld the need for negotiations on ukraine and gaza. i suppose i have to ask you, given your former advisor to so many governments, why your not more on the circle, mainstream media, you want some kind of blacklist. you're not needed. your voice,

these journalists think as well in the united states. so the word negotiation became a dirty word, so they don't want to hear much about this and they don't want to admit that it's the united states, a utter failure of diplomacy. that is the real story of the continuation of the crime war. so it's, it's a little bit hard to get through, and these are essentially a government mediated media in, in the us. they're not owned by the us government, but they seem to depend on the official narrative as their guide post. and i, most of the american people don't trust this, they are not in favor of the foreign policy that by and has been pursuing i, they want a change. and so they're hearing it even if it's not the main screen, but channels. yeah, i mean we to named drop i was,

i saw on the phone to see more hush the other day and actually side came on the show off to his piece about the node stream pipelines, supplying energy to germany, which has boomed and going on to go and produces a track down your own bloomberg, on october the to the in 2022 and the percentage on came interrupted. you see me outrage thing jeff. we've got to stop there when you suggested that the united states could have been involved. and that was before i see much as a piece, and you said, i know this runs counter to on narrative and you're not allowed to say these things in the west. i was that interestingly, you know what, when i've spoken to some leading journalists of course they agree with me. i privately but publicly their, their papers or the media se does the opposite of so the narrative is like, is a game. but a very definitely once a and a very stupid want in a lot of ways. so much of what we hear day today is just lies. it's just

a minute. elation it doesn't even really pass for the truth, but it passes time. i saw that a, our government officials have something to say, even when they're doing outragious things. i mean, in terms of scale, even higher than guys and ukraine cove, it was a huge store. you were on the launch at cove, it commissioned the launch at the pre eminence scholarly journal in britain and medical journal. i you maintain that coverage and bio warfare were related as regards to the, the warranty. they're obviously a story that we can't even talk about. yeah. if we want to be a well, a g, d a, it's a very, it's a very strange thing the, the pandemic, a claim to around 20 millions lives. there are very good reasons to believe that the virus came out of a laboratory work paid for funded brainstorm by the us. and i

was actually having a serious discussion about it has been extraordinarily difficult. you can imagine why the us government does have won an open investigation. but what is surprising to me is how few a, supposedly i independent the investigators and journalist if i cared to, to look into this. and even the scientists have done a miserable job. scientific community policing its own community because this was a scientific venture. i'll be a one led by the us government. and the scientific community has not asked her questions. let me just say the origins of cyrus code to the virus, the causes cove, it is still unknown. i would put it at most likely. i would say

overwhelmingly likely that it came out of the laboratory research rather than out of nature as has been told to us. but we still don't know for sure. but what i can tell you is that there's been a lot of fate news about this, that it surely came out of the marketplace and so forth. and this is deception, not an honest inquiries the marketplace in china because there was a us guides that, well, let's get on into this final day of the g 7 in the poorly 7 countries as corporations are literally making a killing out of what is going on in gaza, i mean, do you think it's there's a case the saying the g stands for genocide after what you mean watching and saying these last 8 months in the latest round of violence that's been happening for decades in west asia in palestine. see the g 7 countries, but mainly the united states, which is the, the leader of the g 7. i grew into

a lot of arrogance over the years of believing they could do what they want, say what they want when, where they would want to win. and so on. i this is gotten the world into a 3 massive i deal political crises right now. of course ukraine complete disaster for ukraine itself, 1st and foremost. but also for europe, the rest of the world, the devastating no more a genocidal war by israel, gaza. and tensions that are at the edge of exploding into open war in east asia, and especially over taiwan. the us is to my mind, you're responsible after an all 3 of these events when it comes to

ukraine. your responsibility is that this war could easily have been avoided, that i really mean easily by nato. that means the u. s. declaring clearly, nato will not expand to ukraine. this was a promise given to the soviet and russian leaders back in the early 19 ninety's that made a wonderful one, each east board and that they don't, has moved or tried to move relentlessly eastward and the, sorry to interrupt you for positive. you know that the circle, john, this some would say as dental group is repeating, this would unprovoked when it comes to russia. moving to save the epic russians and these, what do you, do you just flinch? every time you hear this phrase unprovoked, which is used by, i don't flinch. i, i, last, i, and i guess do crazy just a little bit because 1st of all, this is

a provoked war. second, the word unprovoked is provoked in the sense this is part of the talking points of all of these reporters. they wouldn't even come up with the same word, same exact word, repeated endlessly word not so for me. so this is a war that had many prop occasions. it was a war that could easily have been avoided. when i said many provocations, it goes back to the us plan to expand nato, to ukraine, to georgia. back to the 19 ninety's does. big projects keeps contrary to promises that were made at the end of what we thought was the end of the cold war. i should say, i, the unilateral us withdrawal from the abm treaty in to 1000, to the 78 days of the bombing of bell grade. by the united states and its allies in 1999 to break that country apart and install

a nato military base in cost of old, carved out from serbia, the overthrow of victory on a co which in february 2014 i where victoria newland, the assistant secretary of state for european affairs at the time was point person for this and absolutely in collaboration on regime change in the absolute failure of the us, germany and france to abide by defend and insist on the implementation of the bids to agreements per vote of the car so it was provo torso, come out of nowhere. i and do any one watching the history of this is seen these prob occasions all along. and the point that i keep making is that at the, at the, the 2020 ones i,

this was already 9 years into conflict which started with the over throat. got a co which is by the united states and right wing forces in ukraine. 9 years later, the big war could have been avoided and the fight in could have stopped when russia put on the table, a revised us russia security arrangement based on ukraine's neutrality on the non enlargement of data. when i told the white house, then take it there, go. she ate, of course there you find them off. agree but negotiate. i mean, did you speak to the state department as i spoke to the white house? and i said, don't ever more over this, this is obviously avoidable. you see, i know you're saying it's all v as in banking moon, as being on this, you'll be able to watch our interview with him. and he certainly said things that he might not have said when he was secretary general. but you were advised that the secretary general's secretaries general about of these the graphic. are you correct

way to? i talked about them. if you, if you say this is so will be as does antonio gutierrez. don't know that it's that obvious because i think you may have used the word unprovoked at one stage or other . i think you the leaders around the world know that a, this is a proxy war. i'm not going to put words in anybody's mouth. least of all the secretary general. but the, i speak to a leaders all over the world. and i can tell you, there is a wide spread feeling very wide spread that this is a proxy war between the us and russia, that the nato enlargement is a key part of it, and that it should stop now with negotiations. and that ukraine is the 1st and foremost victim of all of this refusal on the western side to negotiate and this risk conference. so it's a no longer neutral lawgiver. now this was conference was

a shambolic to begin with and it's chip all it all the way through. it is meaningless. i. it was a show. it's sad. it's sad to see switzerland be used this way. it really is sad to me to see switzerland used this way as a fax office don't allow itself to be used this way. professor, fax us, a copy of the law from columbia university's director of the center for sustainable development. after this break the, the, the,

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with professor jeffrey sachs, president with united nation sustainable development solutions network to visit you to hear about how the switch conference today doesn't mean much. obviously brush has not invited in. ringback to it's your supporting deal, stein. i understand how for the us presidency,

presidential elections. it looks like trump, many of the polls are saying, will there be any difference when it comes to gaza, specifically, or will they definitely be some change on ukraine or very difficult to tell. based on the pronouncements on trump and back as we should say, that there are prominent is riley will be as backing the backing for bite. and, and for trump, look my advice to the rest of the world, which is so i 95.9 percent of the world because the us is 4 point one percent that the world population is be serious. the consequent insist on truth hanging together and don't expect any miracles, even stability necessarily from the united states. the us is going to be stable and unpredictable. i after november, no matter what happens i. neither of the 2 lead candidates is a, is

a candidate for peace. they each have their own different modes of behavior. but neither is going to bring that kind of a reason. i a peaceful approach to the world that we urgently need. it's going to have to come from the rest of the world that says, look, you're a big and powerful country, but you cannot run roughshod over the world and do us bluster and say will lead the way. we'll leave this agency. we'll leave this a walk out of this tree to you. it may do many things, but the rest of the world is much, much bigger part of humanity. i ended by acting wisely, judiciously operating under the un charter abiding by treaties being patient with the us. please give it time to get back to normal. i think that this is the best

approach because for holy optimism it breaks conferences. the recent one does one coming up in cuz on, if you are a world leader and you do advise some of them i to presume to you give it as advice to them. what do you suppose to do when you were threatened by people from the state department or some of the other agencies of the united states? when you refuse to of a us policy, whether it be a threat to your car and see whether it be to media attacks on your country. we've seen that growing during the gaza conflict when some gcc countries oppose us policy on what's happening. and guys, what are they supposed to do, but a bank to i think what they are seeing is that these us sanctions and i arm twisting approaches are just not as decisive as was generally considered even a year or 2 or 3 ago. after all,

i was going to quote, defeat russia. this was taking russia out of the swift banking system. this was the western sanctions that were going to be put on. no, of course it failed, utterly and completely. this is part of the point of the brick. so the bricks, countries are now 36 percent of world outputs compared to 29 percent of the g 7 were in a different age a. so yes, threats can be made, but i don't think that they can be decisive. i. i think if the rest of the world is calm and cool and not divided relentlessly, as the us tries to do because that after all is the basic strategy of the empire, or is it the other day at enter a divide and conquer? if the rest of the world is stable, i careful. i,

i would say very prudent and professional in each state craft and diplomacy. these threats are just not so powerful. they're illegal in international law. they are really twist international institutions out of shape and which don't want to be twisted out of shape. and so i think that there's actually real opportunity here for progress even with the united states not does not cooperating a, you know, one of the things that will move the 2 state solution to really being implemented in is the unity of the european countries. they've been very, very clear in re odd last november getting involved rain in may. the bach rain declaration to support it lays out what needs to be done. the

king about rain has a further consultative course with president putin, with president children paying. this is what the way watch it wants, diplomacy. it wants a systematic approach. it does want the united states saying to one year or patrick power. so i will give you some goodies, but break with the rest. it doesn't want that. and this kind of unity will prevail, it because we all mean that the one state solution is a multiple come out amongst the palestinian resistance group. it has to be said and you really saying to me that, but let me say, let, let, let me just say word about that. if i may, there is an overwhelming world wide consensus that we need to states for 2 people right now. and there is absolutely a one state solution top of mind among guys, both sides of this conflict and a,

that is the unfortunately i the path to continued war and the world, whether it's china or russia or brazil, or india, or even it's mumbling way, the united states, but it vetoes all practical approaches so far. i says look, we've got to settle this on the basis of the international law dating back to 1947 actually and 1967 analysts and was a discussions. so that's the, the world wide a view the united states has blocked it repeatedly on. israel's behalf is rarely a government definitely wants a one state solution. they call it greater israel. i don't disagree with the one states. i just mean that the guy's web page display who prevents i know i, but i'm telling you that if we're going to have peace,

it's going to be peace on the basis of what the world says. we need to stop the gas, the killing, the suffering, which is horrendous, which is genocide. it needs to stop. yeah. you remark recently on the fact that the nearby rain went to moscow and the badging, and we know that the, the kingdom is, audrey ray, beer is refusing to cut wild production on the orders of the united states ahead of november election. so what happens as the united states really run out of threats then against these dcc countries that are clearly uh for very different policies as regard gaza view. a of course has been holding a rotating pan. have you in security council kept on trying to put forward the resolutions the united states is going to just give up on threatening gc countries . they can rest easy or we in this region going to expect further. the threats

and i mean not sanctions. it can be reputational damage and media. i love my my own view. what this is that since 1915 the arab world has been manipulated repeatedly. i it is the name be manipulated by the big man letters of the britain promising an error in the state after the end of world war one. it was manipulated in the sikes. the code treaty was manipulated in, uh, uh, uh, in the balfour declaration which was contradictory to those 1st 2 initiatives. in other words, britain was what an empire is. it was utterly deceitful and arrogant and imposed together with france and america's uh, apple. yes. and so a for size settlement that meant a 100 years plus of manipulation of the world. everybody knows this. this is

a long, sad story of outside manipulation. my own view for whatever it's worth is that this era of manipulation can come to an end. it comes to an end by unity because the yes, the us, uh, if it's dealing with one particular country, you don't have a lot of power. if it's dealing with the $22.00 members of the or a league of much less if it's dealing with the $57.00 countries of the organization of islam of cooperation. virtually not, these threats don't count. in less, those were threatened to allow themselves to be divided and manipulated by an outside threat. i think the world's changing, i think good. the idea that one country weather was britain,

it's up to was 1945 for the united states. afterwards. i can make it so lisa threatening the others manipulate international organizations, manipulate the international payment system. i think that this era is really at an end and that we are entering a multi polar world. but it's very dangerous this moment. let's just find the look is a dangerous a. this is without an i n f treaty is we know, what did you make then of uh, the united states abide the ministration. changing policy saying that the weapons that they're sending, like britain did a while back. and france and germany, they can target russia directly. and the united states. now saying the as of battalion, you might have to describe whether they are not seeing kline because you're banned from saying though it's inc lined. if you're in brit, uh, what do you make of these announcement of being able to target russia directly of

arming the as of battalion as a russian worship, talks in nevada with hypersonic. ms. us next. first of all, by the news or of all of this, is the ukrainian people, perhaps of 500000 deaths of ukrainians, a, to this point to the devastation of so much of ukraine. i. this is largely at the behest of the united states. because when an agreement between russia and ukraine was tempted to believe reached in ankara in march 2022, based on one principle that will end this war ukraine's neutrality. the us swooped in boris johnson swooped it and said, don't take it your own way and well, this was a, a, a terrible, terrible advice, but a piece of advice, but it was also a dreadful,

awful miscalculate. i'm sorry to address this very breeding 600000, go hundreds of thousands killed because of us several 100000 more debts in ukraine of ukrainians because of that decision without question. of course, it's a auto tragedy. ukraine is often losing more than a 1000 people to get a wounded every day right now on the battlefield. i rushes military superiority in the air and artillery is very clear it's, it's been us that keeps pushing them to, to fight to the last few crazy and as that a dreadful ironic, good phrase. so puts it, but there's accuracy to it. it's the us now take arms, can't fight and keep fighting, keep dying. instead of negotiating a basic point, neutrality, a space between the us led military alliance and russia trespass space.

this is a good rocket science. this is a basic idea of state crap that goes back more than 2000 years, leave a little space in between the major powers and there can be peace. and so as regards this targeting of russia as well, everything is an installation right now because i think among other things we know in american history, i don't lose before an election. so by now it has an election coming up in november . i and they don't want to see something like we saw in afghanistan in 2021 another. doomed us a misadventure. the dated. 40 yours by the way, long story, different one. but in any event i, they don't want to see that before november. so they say keep the go up toward pap, which is extraordinarily dangerous and extraordinarily reckless and good. we should be pretty peeved about it because it's putting the whole world at risk for hazard

jeffrey sachs. thank you. a great to be with you. thank you. that's over the show, i'll continue condolences to those re by u. k. u s u, i'm genocide will be back on monday with the electronic intifada. xhylia nima to breakdown false narratives about israel's genocide in nature, mainstream media until then keep in touch by social media. if it's so expensive, we'll country and i'd like chattel going, undergoing tv on mobile don't come to what's new and old episodes, i'm going underground. see monday the the

i was just giving an islamist who was the and as convenient as proof. the western forces considered the peoples of the balkans as well as so many other places for them at least 31 where the starting their own states. they wanted to pull their own features and wished into it. it's impossible to transfer the way of life of some interest in place to another space because nations have their own history, their own, present, the teacher the,

the washing defense ministry. the voltage balance is across the front lines in the ukraine in conflict as it school says, gate and key positions, and take out west and west as a sort of pulled ukraine a piece, something that opens at stalls and switzerland, nations around the world. actually, we called the gathering. they said that was that washer at the table list. so one sided revelations and lodge off the u. s. military before to be running a secret operation to undermine the chinese cove of 19 seen as panic swept the walls and this time on of $22.00 twins. and also to cost thousands of this very nice paint to the streets instead of a have to monitor the government, find a way to end the blue and bring.