for us to hit the target as we feel it is the best job in the world, kind of yep. so far the sides here exchange are totally fine and use drones for connor since and target hunting. but the infancy is one away from jumping into the enemy's trenches. how much is done of t islamic states harris could have infiltrated the european union via ukraine, will oppose that there's a sign of a see. cuz as a bomb shell, revelation from the chief of germany's federal domestic intelligence agency is yes because i, she's gay, has also managed to bring supporters to western europe, possibly through a wave of refugees from ukraine for now, staying here in various western european countries, security authorities, across europe are working very closely together on this issue. the german agency have a valid, his latest report on terrorist activity and the u. s. a is the isis k groups hardly poses the greatest threats to public safety. with the estimates,

quoting from major terror attacks, several suspects. awful. would you be interested in western europe in germany claims they all had to enter the via ukraine by when fits on july 6th, 2023 called in the search measures with canada. out of various locations in los saxony. no fraud was fall and the netherlands again, suspected supporters of the terrorist organization is let me state some people who are arrested. there is a suspect on national veterans. central eastern states that in germany from ukraine almost penalties the in the spring of some 1022. they are suspected of having joint forces deform, etc. is group with the aim of carrying out high profile attacks in germany as well just days ahead of that announcement building set that wells that i suppose the ukrainian refugees will continue. the federal government rejected the liberal policies proposal of treats in ukrainian asylum seekers. the same as refugees from other countries that is not issuing the monthly payments. we discussed the move

with going to back a gym and politician and fully european parliament member who told us that refugees are entering the country without proper checks. and germany cannot afford to spend the funds that should be used on modernizing the country. and what is the continuation of the longstanding policies that germany has admitted? watch how many are some of the calculations on this? not too long ago, 2 months ago since 2010, the germany has admitted a round about $8000000.00 refugees from around the world, including the ukrainians. most of them are coming from the middle east and africa. each of those refugees on average, according to several reasons, a test, a studies on the cost of migration costs the german techs passed around 625000

years over their lifetime. obviously, the country which is in economic difficulty, such as job and he cannot afford such a ways of spending its money money. that should be going into modernizing the economy and subsidizing households as part of his job and industry at 4 much huh. cost of energy as a result of the interruption of the $24.00 victim ball and cost and cheap supplies from russia. well, thanks for your counseling here right now. it's the international this wednesday coming your way. next piece of level with the latest episode of cross talk and all, but that was more news in about 30 minutes. hope to see you then the

the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter a little. this was hosted ukraine peace conference was an object failure. it failed because the issue of peace was not on the agenda. they did everything they could to escalate and pro long the complex. meanwhile, moscow has its own plans to cnn, to divided the costs out to ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, make a live petro in kingston. he's a professor of political science at the university of rhode island in brussels. we

have look relay to you as an independent journalist and invalid. so we cross the andre dealership in co t. as a former ukrainian diplomat, quite gentleman cross that girls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate nichol. i let me go to you 1st here because we've had a lot of events happening very, very quickly. let's take a look at the end of last week when we had a present in coding, addressing, rushes diplomats and sending very clearly messages about how i negotiated and to this conflict could start at least the beginning of negotiations. we have to parse that there. and then of course we have the media coverage of the swiss a so called piece initiative by ukraine. um, i think, you know, when i look at, i look at that all of its in, in its entirety, its still towered t. we had russia and yeah, and uh, i can see how to do that. really, you clayton's would disagree with what the putting that just say, but it least was a starting point. what we got over the weekend was no starting point at all. it was

just more of a propaganda effort to put along the the conflict and to give the appearance. but it had some kind of global consensus. so your thoughts over the last week or so go ahead. i think you're right to call the designation of the piece so much into question because again, how can you have a piece negotiation without want the major people involved in the conflict of so what it turns out to be is essentially a grouping to put a pressure on russia and that is uh, in that, in that sense it, it really didn't move the process forward any and, and then came proteins talked to the international diplomats. and i think to be fair with some of the eclipse of this with summit,

because at the end of the russian, as a result of what we can said, a 3 things happened to move the piece process forward. if that is the desired objective piece of the desired objective rather than victory . right? so one is both and clearly simplified. the negotiating process. we went down from, the ukraine's 10 points to 14 was one point, and there is only one voice that became mandatory. that is an official statement that ukraine does not intend to join nato. so the 2nd thing that is, initiative accomplished is to offer something that ukraine is not offering, and that is to end the blood shed now. and that is done simply by withdrawing the troops separating the troops. and i would highlight something that hasn't been typically highlighted that there are inputs into proposal,

no initial concessions required. it's simply to get to the negotiating table s, let's withdraw the troops stop the blood shed. we deal, however, want this commitment on good faith to not to join nato. and i guess the 3rd point, which is more of a public relations of who i would say for a bulletin is that he proposed by his proposal rather put the lie to the frequent western statements that rush it in. tends to conquer all of ukraine and from there, move on into europe. because in effect, russia has defined exclusively and bits territorial objectives. the 4 occupied territories which are the 4 occupied territories. well it, it's interesting locates a, uh, you know, and watching the coverage of the so called peace conference. it's a shelf life has been remarkably short. i mean,

for the reasons that the nichol i just presented to us because there's a fuller picture out there. and you know, i see it with every passing day. well another country takes their name off of the the, the communicate at the end of the conference here. and even you have the me, are you crazy and for administer, say, basically maybe next time we should invite the russians. i mean, the whole thing turned out to be a complete waste of time and it didn't help ukraine. you're good. oh, i don't see how would move the needle for ukraine whatsoever. so it was a real bus that way. and i agree with nikolai. i mean, if you look at the broader picture here, there is something to start negotiating. but the that's not coming from the ukrainian slash nato side. go ahead. look, i found, i think, as you say, god, it's the beginning of the end for you brain on this call trans shows clearly that the support is dwindling among the supposed partners. i mean my toll our eyes later, the summit and the left early bite. indeed, they even gone, etc,

etc. at the same time, as long as an ascii one to the point of stock in berlin, and troops esl bringing us to evaluate that is and there, there was nobody to listen to the whole family. if you the last and the right or told her the absent and the center, my goodness center, for example. we're very scare so all that it was a brand new scares, bolton's, and down the crate in. and of course, the bricks did not accept the branding of the contribution supplements to be. so what was the purpose of this train if it doesn't work? mr. savanski, you know, andre, one of the thing, you know, i looked at a lot of commentary and, and to be honest with you commentary that i tend to agree with. okay. and it, but they talk about the beginning of the end of ukraine. i don't want to see the end of ukraine at all. i want to see the end of this senseless war. and so what does it take? and i've always wanted to ask you, you are you cleaning and diplomat, you know, they, they use the phrase that you, ukraine is

a victim. but if you look at zalinski and the people that as he is surrounded and so they volunteered for this, why do they have the right to keep volunteering, young, ukrainian men to go into a meat grinder and today? sure, you're totally correct. there's a nice to came into this when he became ready for president has an unexcused deal, but he's going to make peace with the devil himself. it was a plan i worked for july, the scene while he was also president 6. there was a fine for the last you could come to don't boss and make a speech 2 weeks later after this migration was up to the people have done boss together with the russian federation. knowledge that these are you bringing people and we should get the most records on track. it was great inside that house piece and ukraine and kind of autonomy for the eastern part of the crating and have you bring back together without the civil war. but all when the parents, once when basically your arms, you went under those article section really and, and in the west and the agreed to this for he went to this for 2 years before the

war even started. she was prepared for this war, monday was storm parents and was the prepared. the most important for me will decide. we remembered that process when the russian negotiated this whole issue to both peace, ford and i as a premium. i spoke about peace for years and years the court, even this war was happening. while there was still a war, a doing boss, nobody listen. we had the position channels pro that spoke about peace. we had people who spoke about peace putting on to the list. so we to kill you crazy. this is what was the last 2 or 3 in any grade. don't read one, this is today, i believe, was the graham. and then as i see is not a legitimate president on the article one or 3 isn't. there's no general government degree there until this time with the lead brain needs to change. if you green wants, peace doesn't need to go up in america world, the warmongers in washington in london. it needs to decide, but it's on have a solid decision. let's say look, 1st of all as to, for example,

war has regime we will move away. we will, sorry, i've been very much remove away. we're having you don't really pray and have the premiums decide what they want. we're going to want a piece government or a war and government. i believe you. the grands on the ground. well, what would work for peace guys were more and more you trainers today are looking for a peace deal with russia. they understand that there's no way out depending on the ready as losing and the loss. so before they even to work together, i mean exactly. they permitted to say they, they, it was determined on the 1st day, nikolai, i mean, looking again at them putting in speech to the diplomatic community, which gets so little coverage in the west. they do. it's really, it's really appalling considering the stakes. i don't see, i don't see any more real patients, the strategic patients that we've seen over the last 2 and a half years. and i think the, the russian authorities know that there, there is no good faith in the west. this conference proved it. and that they may

start pushing a lot harder. and again, we're given the environment, the or nato is say, is going to have half a 1000000 men, then it'll be around more radiating and we're talking about activating new killer as a strategies and all about this is get to get very ugly, very quickly. i'm very worried about that nikolai. well, the diplomacy involves a lot of pastry and then the pastoring is exaggerated by the media. you know, there's an old uh, austrian saying that um, how do war start? politicians lie to journalists right then, believe what they read in the newspapers back. that was gotten so much worse now with the internet. it's literally impossible to know what is true and what is not because respectable. figure sore people that we are told they are informed and respectable. so absolutely contradictory things. so that leaves me

as an observer to suspect that if anything is going to happen is going to happen outside of the public eye. and here we can simply speculate. i do think it is likely that there are all sorts of private contacts between ukrainian military officials and russian military officials. you know, of course, to work out the details about a prisoner exchanges and things like that. but you know, discussion that go on one thing leads to what other they try to feel each other out . so there's all sorts of the discussions among the diplomatic community, some of which gets leak to the browser. yeah. but nickel, me quite. i agree with you. we're rapidly rapidly company in the break, but do they have enough agency to make decisions? i guess, you know, this seems like, you know, this is me,

ukraine project run out of london, brussels and washington as they do if they want to. and what is interesting about the recent spade of re arrested firings of senior political officials in queue is that some people in the west are interpreting that as a way for is the landscape to try to give himself a little more maneuverability by all right. all right, hold that thought nikolai, because that's fascinating. we have to go to a hard break gentleman. and after that hard, drake will continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team, the sick off of what go that you got to get better. you go to the hospital. yes. what you need to do to help you, hey, say,

i mean would, would you need to walk up to people that are drug addicts because keep going cold. turkey is like going through withdrawals, and a lot of these 12 schools to withdrawal, giving them money will kill them. so you just gotta give him the governor. i don't want go as no one. not very good, but truly getting worse and worse every year. it has to be done the or the welcome at the prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter isabel, to remind you were discussing you create the

look um uh over the weekend we we had a uh for administer. loved ralph. um, speaking to the media and he did it this time in english. um, and he brought up, you know, i'm paraphrasing here how this is an elite project in the west this ukraine project . and what about the democratic process sees in, in europe, in the united states? i mean, is you, well, now you've been where your opinion elections here and the issue of ukraine. if it was mentioned at all, it was not a vote getter, it was a vote loser. we have uh the governments of france and germany and a tail spin because of the election outcome. even though the u. k is no longer part of the european union. they're having to pay the cost as well for their um, um, interest over the ukraine over their own people. how does this play into it? we have this car, sickle peace conference, and we have, you know, europe in result you in results. go ahead,

luke. a problem for the moments in europe is that every party on the last or people, right? especially on the right, that substances don't rush out all day at the same future as russia all, many options, all, all the ceasefire. they keep silent because they are afraid of the, the global moved into west, and we all bombarded by a trust which is really supporting you train permanent, the full length to pull the patients involved, calling the elite law supporting the government of savanski. they the panel, i'll try back any more. and so of the people know really where what happens and ukraine was not really your topic during the european elections, not much. everybody tried to avoid, you know, and to tip toe out of the room. if anybody talked about training, what is the thing sure for the coming months and years is the fact that probably

the replacement all reduce that bought out the high representative of europe for, for another phase will be replaced by kaiser called us the stalling and prime and i stuck. oh, great on the water you will still not. i am for you, right. wonderful. so is the danger, you know, this woman good create, bring it will have to enter your pin permission with her if you, well, i mean, of course, you know, you, they, they talk a lot about ukraine, but it doesn't really help you create on the day. well, you know, way as this conflict goes forward here, how much do people in ukraine have an input in this here? because i am very cynical about this whole project because i can, i think, any realistic person thinking realistically that this conflict is going to end this lot, gonna end in ukraine's favor. but those in you, in care of and they love a power is and then have power. they just want to keep this going. i mean,

it's very profitable for them. i mean, how many of the already have homes in miami and, and tell a be even bank accounts. you know, i'm not, i, i think my cynicism is warranted because that is one reason to keep the complet going. of course, joe biden doesn't want to admit it. was a mistake, but joseph burrell doesn't want to admit it was a mistake. nobody in the european union empower, wants to admit this. so it's kind of a nurse. so going on, the money just keeps flowing on today. yeah, we use it for these people, our whole owns the last is owned by the washington london. wash in london is owned by the mountain investor complex. and with each state, there's no solver and leave there. and all these problems aren't even the, all the g 7, and if you need to rapidly, all those meters are all controls when washington are wondering. so the only solver meter, now this is the frame, is today, it was talking about peace from his own perspective. and you, craig, and the situation is somebody out of the perspective of washington. unfortunately, i just have to say there's no sovereignty brain. there's

a low independence after the good for takes the prey and told her was like she was holding on to power a for as long as possible cuz he understands there's going to be a change in might be a change soon because of the tensions of the people which you have any brain or grow. they are basically the government that you're talking about a couple of their site. but the, he, the government moved everything to the government. so the west will make a change between whatever they don't me, you pray for one of their home, for the portion you go to the literature and design system versus what we're gonna look forward to. so low and the tensions of the people are we trained so they will come with pitchforks on their own. they try to top of the government issues as something somebody independent the was the need this to happen at all. and that's what people in the training are looking forward to. they're looking for it to lead or who to they can trust to make a piece for them or to get out of this for in the best one relationship where you crane as possible. i can tell you that the promoter score and the brain best austic

is presented with different labs that all of the state abroad. nobody came back to the print. 60 percent of the medical on the page is lost. the diplomacy, cordova is taking all of these people lakes is not even asking them to come back because they are not prepared for the policy. well, they're looking for what we have, what's more, because that's what the west wants them to be, because that's my how the state and power. nobody's thinking about the cleaning and on the brown. they're just pushing them to, to the blood shed and to the graveyard. because more than 700000, the prayers have died for $400.00 each or 12 this process. you know, nikolai, what do i worry about? i already made reference to it, but you know, we had this uh, quote unquote peace conference. they didn't result in much. i mean, even even look at the find them you can communicate was really watered down. it really didn't address the is a lensky piece proposal. but there is no willingness on the part of the west to, to relent here. there they won't even get and go into negotiations when they would

do the russian government repeatedly say, you know, well, you know, make my day to test out. so, you know, we want to negotiate. they won't even negotiate here. what, what's all the alternative is, is just to escalate and i, i, i'm, i'm very, very worried that we're going to continue up the escalation lighter than you know, what russia it keeps following them up. that's no problem with the escalation. um, i have had some very real conversations with american diplomats supporting ukraine. they are now retired. but um, as the impression that i get from talking to them is a certain calm about the prospect of putting going beyond a certain level of threat. or they don't think any nuclear weapons or, or any serious incursion into nato is at all likely. although the

nichol i, i have to stop you there and you know, serious. so what say less than serious meaning what? well, i mean for, and, for example, they've vaunted at 60 ins. everyone's talk all about whether or not going to ukraine is lock at a station. those uh, the that aircraft inside of ukraine. okay. number one, the maintenance is, is enormous. the, the runways are very sophisticated. these planes need to be for a landing, you know, on uh, basically an ice skating rink. it has to be really, really flat. so they're gonna station them in romania and poland. why would russia refrain from destroying those airfields? because of a reluctance of russia to escalate the matter which turns basically the give the initiative over to nato. i think what we're likely to see is a number of air skirmishes over ukraine. and if those should,

for some reason not go well for russia, then i think the military options expand. but i suspect that at least initially russia expects to do well in these conflicts. and again, we have historical precedent. we have a fighter jets from russia in the north korean war and china and in vietnam. so again, there is historical precedent and we don't need to expect always the worst standard real i visited really i, i find it really astounding. i mean, i think you should to, is there, there is, there is a hypothetical. well, we might get into error skirmishes. we, you know, with that leads that goes to greater escalation. i mean, nobody says, oh, we won't. if we use planes or that wasn't a good, nobody know, we have to be more planes and we have to escalate even more. the problem is the

past that we're on right now, and they, there's only one track. it's the award track in the west right now. what we need to use to activate a diplomacy track, but the forces in the west, the political forces are not strong enough to do so. and therefore, probably the, the global south of the thing is, it's now called needs to become much more insisted on promoting diplomacy as a solution. what? well look, i mean, how many young men in the european union want to put on a uniform and go fight in the ukraine? i think i would say nobody, i would say nobody to, to add the baltics. probably you would find people in poland, the politics to believe what walks on major was saying, but for the rest young man don't long to go to war on the ukrainian issue. absolutely not nowhere from spending to, to august, sweet and often not even fin up. nobody lost the of war with the,

with russia. that's been the feeling soft. and people really, you know, and be for the golf months when they say, for example, belcher man, i'm in brussels now. you belcher visit the going to give o r f. 16 there. when give to find the end of this year and the rest when the call probably closer to 2028, one by then the conflict will be furnished, of course, and they know it. so they just put the break on the whole issue. they tried to find some money to send the grand to pay in full the all right, little side look local are rapidly running out of time and then when they get the last minute of the program to on the right, go ahead. andre, here today we have to talk about when you see the war and i agree with everybody here. there has to be the west has to make a call and ask for a call from the white house, from the bible ministration from originally styles to food. and they say the rest start to go cheap. and then this is the cost of putting on the train. uninstalled will not be able to europe as others in the ability to do this. only watch them the

ones who started this one pre owned this one for you, free to enter the software by calling to do an image. but he won't do that because the lectures are coming to somebody will do this before you actually. he's done, it's over for him, so they're going to wait out until the elections then good morning to bring it on, rush lives into the ground. you don't, you know, that's that. i think what it's a really important, remember, it gives people, you know, we've had disobey ukraine's going to the west ukraine saying, and the he's ukraine is right where it is. and it isn't going anywhere. and we should save that country. and as many people as possible, that should be at the end, the war. pursue peace or a gentleman that's all the time we have one, i think my guessing kingston basil and in brussels. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c and next time and remember across doubles. the

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