the lives of devices long as in mary tom the breaking news, this our tara on the beaches, ukrainian attack called the crime me. and for those of us double leads, 3 people dead including took folded and almost $100.00 wounded. moscow says key of use, the us supplied long read mussels with lots of munitions, a barrage again for raj off the bat. good figure head politicians claims. nathan lane, relocating rock said to it's one on your grade. he said he's only speaking the truth of protesting the protest as can you try to shift the blame onto for an

interference for math demonstrations that have a golf the country and that's, that's local seats over live in texas. and actually if i'm the i m s that was a once you, you want to you our team to national, reaching you from the russian and capital i of my golf course. now we start with the breaking news. this our, how do you create is a mess all attacked on the crime in porto sebastopol has left 3 civilians dead including 2 children. almost a 100 people were also wounded as a mess. all packed with talk to munition exploded over the city of the russian defense ministries as a key of forces, east, west and supplied weapons. and they attack the the key of regime has conducted a terror attack on the civilian infrastructure of service stobel using us supply the dns missiles equipped with cluster munitions. let's get more

on this now is speak to all these real bond casara romani is good to have you drive me now. can you take us through what we knew right now about this a type one? so 1st of all, well are russian defense ministry had already issued a statement to install a tool. there were at least 5 attacking the ballistic missiles, all the crimea. now, 4 of those rockets were intercepted by russian air defenses. and one of the rockets where it had the deviated from its flight path and exploded in mid air over the city of the 7th stobel. now, as the results of the following uh, fragments from this cluster munition, at least still 3 people had been killed. of those 3 to our children, one of them had 2 year old childs ends up to 100 civilians instead of a soulful have been wounded as the result of this mid air destination. of this

ballistic move files supplied to the ukraine by the united states states. now ms. sile fragments also landed in an area close to the beach and as a result, a nearby forest was set on fire as well as an apartment building out through a lot of people on the streets on the beach that day. and of course, people started posting videos and social media right away. let's take a look at how the situation unfolds. you are in this right now for administrators. folks. the woman marie is a car of a cold. this event, coldest terrorist attack or ritual killing by the ukrainians. these are the fact that settings our country is celebrating. the holidays financing dates this sunday, and so the local governor of cold vis a sneak attack against civilians take of this. i am absolutely sure the timing of

such terror attacks by zelinski though they have become regular. this time was not chosen by chance. it's trinity sunday and we understand what's inside of the key of regime a deep hatred to anything linked to russia and russian culture. today on trinity sunday, we have suffered a great grief. the enemy hit us in a sneaky way at the moment when civilians were either going back from work or going to the coast with their children. now there are indications that says this attack against civilians are nice of a stove will, could have been monitored by the united states that around 9 in the morning on a sunday and american recognizance is rolling colds. a global whole hawk entered the area of the black sea near crimea and was monitoring this situation. now the level of us in vol involvement in this case is of course, i'm clear at this moment. as we know that there are restrictions in place from the

united states against the use of long range missiles, such as attacking the sick inside the russian territory. now, according to the associated press article, the crating commanders said that their hands are pretty much side in the case where they can not use attackers. a ballistic missile is on the russian territory. and it's not yet clear whether ukraine did receive permission to use attack comes on russian territory or not. i guess we'll watch this space and find out soon enough. all right, roman cause i have all a t corresponded. thank you for bringing us up to speed on this. now let's get some thoughts on all of these now in cross live to form a senior pentagon security on the list micro amount of mike. it's good to have you join me now. not moscow says ukraine, use long range us weapons, and there's a tap on step by step. or do you think that they'll be any reaction from washington

to this? i think the united states will be quiet, however. they are all to be outrage expressed here because it's not only us weapons being used against civilian populations which violated the us restriction on the use of us weapons on russian territory. but uh and, and premier today is russian territory of de facto that's, that's clear that but, but uh, just because united states and ukraine don't recognize it, that doesn't mean it isn't a fact. but it is, it is a fact. and that all the terms were, were not only violated, but the use of clusters. cluster weapons are just outrages and, and if it is stain in this case because it was named over a civilian population, there was no, there was no military target. a visible that, that,

that seemed to be the case. and i think that this has got a raise. the anti, i think it's going to escalate matters. i think that when, when these drones are being spotted, they do help in the united states is watching the united states as guiding. so question about that can be because they've got to be sure that they're going to be right on target. now, what, when the u. s gave permission to strike into russia with its weapons. is this what they had in mind? no, not at all because of restriction was only mostly around key and, and in, in the area in that, in that region, where are they, the ukrainians felt that they needed to have a more more firepower, even though they, they had inadequate troops there and, and, and also lack of fire power, but this is, this is something that says raises it to whole new level. that is the fact that

it's that this was exploded over a over civilian the area is, is a contrary to what the us have in mind. certainly, but that i think this is going to have, i think that this needs to be, this issue needs to be escalated to the un security council. and, and also i think it also causes because what i was gonna say earlier is that because that drone was flying around anytime i think now this, this raises the anti, i think the russians need to consider taken out those drums. now, do you think the washington might read, think gets decision now or at least have words with key of, of, of this to maybe behind the scenes, but clearly as only as they are, are his cohorts are in control. they're not gonna give it, given the commitment they may have like with is really not gonna,

they're not gonna abruptly stop given by these weapons. so i, i think that they're gonna try to be persuasive behind the scenes, but nothing public. they don't want to show an open system in the to, to the world. they want to show a united front, but this is clearly outrages. and unfortunately, the united knew united states, nor russian, or even ukraine, signatories to the band on the cost of weapons over a $100.00 countries. now have that band and, and russia by the way. so you, i believe they mentioned earlier in the, in the conflict that they were not going to use cluster plus to us. but that clearly, uh that that has some standard, the credits lights. and now washer washington's only permit limited strikes in russian border areas. but some european countries have driven lead to strikes much deeper into russia. does that only increase the chances of such incidents as to day

happening again? oh no, no question about it. uh, clearly what, what's, what's happening inside the, when you, when they go deeper into russia, they're hitting mostly of apartments and a friend of mine whom you've had on their side. and then it as a documented this with uh, with a number of videos showing that the targets were ultimately survey in apartment buildings. these were not military targets. so there is a distinction that has to be made. you're going to have a conflict in you and we've got to restrict it to the, to the military targets, but this is clearly now being expanded to include the civilians and especially people out on the beach and whatever it is or not, right? i, i clearly think that whenever i think now russia is going to perhaps consider that any country that sends their weapons,

they are going to be subject to the reprisals themselves. and in this case, i think any time they see a drone flying around, they need automatically pop it out of the sky. all right, thank you so much, mike. a model for the send you a point that going security on the list. thank you for your insight. here yep. let's head to be here. ok. now here's been a phone on the side of the british political establishment for years. and now the breakfast, you need to figure head nigel for roger decided again that he's playing the nato is to blame for provoking the russia into its war with the ukraine. and having ross, the ross of the media that leads with his commons, the reform u. k. party leaders double down on these woods. i don't blame me for telling the truth about previous war in ukraine. the west errors in ukraine have been catastrophic. there was no easy solution to the war, but facing up to the truth about the causes and consequences must be

a start. that is why i simply want to tell it as it is, and have done for a decade. those slanders who claim the telling the truth makes me a mouthpiece for putting only reveal the weakness of their own case. not surprise them on anyone who knows them. uh and i, i do some was uh, you know, he's a very pragmatic, he's a good speaker. and he has no problem. courtney conference back a controversy. he's happy if you like to stick his ground and dig his heels in a little bit. and he's doing that at the moment. this all comes into context. remember of a u. k. general election. and it's a general election where the governing party originally soon act faces complete devastation if we listen to the pulse they could. so for the biggest, the feet in living memory, certainly even back as far as 19 o 5, they could lose dozens and dozens of seats. i think the majority that they had asked this of a listen to some of the criticisms of add knowledge all for i was just a position and we'd take from there. what. what do you said was completely wrong

and only plays into patients hands? and this kind of appeasement is dangerous for personal security. the, for all just comments about russia and ukraine. all disgraceful the predictable outrage from the establishment that the leader of the labor party there. and the leader of the government right now, we see you soon, a very, very energetic supporters of ukraine. and i think what the reality is, is that am for i just connected with the british public on the reality around you find on many other farm part policy s groups, if you like, that the british are following the american lead in europe. i need to ukraine and on fine what, let's listen to the actual statements from arise to actually lead to this spawns. i feel like i stood up the european parliament in 2040 and i said, i quotes that will be a war in you cried. have we taken leave of all senses? do we actually want to have a war with pacing?

because if we do with suddenly coming about it the right way, we directly encouraged the uprising in the ukraine that led to the toppling all the president. the other guy which i bought, let have call us into a divided man who's in reacting on tomorrow. the story is if you put the russian band with a stick, don't be surprised when he reacts. why do i say that? it was obvious to me would be ever east with expansion, nato. and the european union was giving this man a reason to his russian people to say that coming for us again and to go to war. we provide this war is i get a cause, it's his fault. he's use what we provide you the invasion of yes, right? and very interestingly, once again, 10 years ago when i predicted this, the way i'm the only person in british politics that predicted what would happen. so the seems to be very common sense objective views and analysis. you're headed by many analysts, and myself include many observers and many more people now around the world that in

europe. and we see this in the european election spring. more people now connecting with nigel fragile view. maybe that's why it's such a for us to be established as a visa, all of the things that he says do make sense, but who is nigel for us? i mean, you and i know who is off view as may not, i mean wants his reputation. like as a politician, is this, the only comment is that he's made it to see any controversy. that's really the response of, you know, people's types in here. well, for us is, as i said, a from point a rock on to our he's a great speaker, and he's been around for quite some time since the 1990 since 1990. he's been a very big euro skeptic into u. k. and the british have traditionally been quite skeptical to the european product. the less that after all, and fragile course was at central to the us a departure from the european union. he led the u ship u. k independence party f pete for

a period he was in the european parliament where he continually was this stone and issue for the establishment. challenging that corruption any point about some very, very valid points as well. so you can see, this is really the reality of why right now as the british election comes as the project you train uh, gets uh, worse and worse, the slow motion car crush. that's like, right, that's really what it's all about. you know? yeah. so an interesting um, you know, there's a rise in a recent optical shade talks about all the mistakes that western powers are. may think in terms a little bit about. but yeah, i mean, knowledge of raj has continually held up uh, the british and american foreign policy record, which for anybody who could read anyone who understands this, the can see this catalogue of interventions, this intervention list attitude to foreign policy. he's discuss, maybe he's discussed the rack syria, and he's

a skeptic of that. and also he's also a very prominent influence in the united states in the my guess comp it with president from present 12 as asked him to appear at various events. and he's been a champion for it for him, and he's also leading this make britain great, a grant again movement. a part of the other thing was we don't need these forever wars. he's basically pointing to the fact that some of this, we have witness vanity taking the place of reason in foreign policy. and the result has been to destabilize a series of countries with dire effects both there and here. we should recall how around the same time as pensions with russia were being ramped up. us president obama and his secretary of state hillary clinton, with the full support of david cameron's tory government reduced libya to a smoking room. and in order to remove the dictator did off fee. so you know, this common sense approach, fact based approach. and i think the viewers should understand in the bigger

picture, the white a picture as to why now, why certainly would the british press on the 2 big political parties in the u. k. b . so interested in knowledge of roger's f view pointing to position on ukraine on british american foreign policy. you sell these, have you since the 1990 the spoken about them again and again. it wasn't convenient for the british press and the establishment media to highlight that it seems to be now in an effort to undermine his growing popularity in the u. k. as, as u. k, reform party looks to challenge the conservative, i could take up to 10 seats in the election. so it's important that people understand what the motivations may be in the british press right now to certainly start talking about nigel for i just added you to the forever was right. let's discuss this now live with the former british and back. so that to russia, an author of a mistake in moscow, how british diplomacy failed in russia, eon, proud yon is good to have you join me right now. now i know you've been following this development and what is your reaction to nigel for august statement that nato

is expansion? prove up to ross that into war? does he have a point here? when he does, and it's something that people will say the media been talking about now for some time, you know, brought it back to 2014. and even before this, i think the reason there's been a big accident is the nice thing is that, you know, device and then count general election campaign between the 2 main policies of the labor policy and the concentric policy about ukraine and the war business. as all kind of blank silence in which they don't even talk about the billions of pounds if you k takes pays money and the republican to ukraine every. ready as simple as i'm getting a little, you know, when a piece of would clearly be a fall of as a 4th, best hopes inside you. his comments have been seized upon by the toys by the late. ready coffee by the mainstream press with that so, you know, i've been device about now whether the case doing the right thing and the to the on him because he's saying actually he's still see

a debate in circumstances where there is no debate to u. k. a by you. ready policy, you know, you claim that i think there him doing that is actually a positive post assigned that democracy is starting to buy a candidate for the next me now on the political parties with quick to denounce for eyes. how do you think it will influence his chances handled the election? but the thing is, i think the, the input some negatively really because, you know, people actually, you know, want to know tend to be pointing 5. his unix of import is always offers. no offense . it'd be important for me to kind of studies as close as much fault and policies in london so, so i think you can make to devise a month to is going to find base if you liked. i think that can any, be a good thing for him because of the blame for it is very, very difficult to get outside to the point knowing what's happening in the coming from the person from the physical body. so personally, i think you're already kind of supporting. ready time when labor and the toys are

going to fly to go and what, what do you having? so any other device, advanced photos. now for all jazz ted up, some things off of a home that's nest with his cummins. was that his intention all along? what do you assess of this? well, the, he always likes kind of good conversation as big as a guessing at a politician what, let's just be clear items of what level fraudulent payments for your being and slash the. so i would press the never right to nigel slice notebooks, old heavy set, the i respect what he's trying to do next to actually i been able to genuine debates and the next people on to, to you by this in the u. k. you know, boy, how we ended up in this situation with the one who lived in ukraine and, you know, people 99 percent of people in u. k. then there's a back story to go nato expansion, you know, 16 company doing matrices to, that's a nice new book, right? so that's a name by the way, somebody, you know, piecing things. he said, this be finds tonight say well, so how do you need to divide to that?

it's punching it warning. a nature by so further expansion 6 members of a joint since that time after 2 a. so it's actually bushes. do agreed for nato to transform nature equipment through russia through i've got us all of this for the activities and so me to the one of your sites. so it'd be there for a long time though. it actually is of these healthy that says large do wise to go visit. ready so by much of the screen defendant benevolence, i'm encouraged that he's actually promoting debates and the tell you the last now, how our british citizens getting into this debate that to, for ozzy scabbing up right now, as well as why it is all sort of a year in the place you will find buddy businesses open to view point. so most of being ukraine is almost like, you know, the 10 dining street controls, the kind of public and the bad to the bottom of the press can say the bbc is just the kind of sites and so forth again, to a supervisor. so it is very hard for us at 4 think of people,

even people i know friends of mine, you know, that kind of style of a genuine sources of information about what's, what's happening there. so yeah, i think i think people have a own get to know here at this point of view, most of the things you use to use and attract people. it's time to say, well, either one told me just and this was not for all just possession savings to narrow that of donald trump and form a need to a 2nd to general georgia robinson about this point of view is suddenly creeping up in the west and the headlines you mentioned the media area. what are your thoughts on why it's catching on right now? because nobody has an answer and they tell you to use. so when, when you try and given the also seems to be give you cable weapons and people saying, well actually is that the wrong way is likes to punch the hundreds of thousands of people being killed or injured in ukraine, ukraine comp, when the war one is saying on the battlefield, you know how we actually doing the things that we just continued to pull billions and billions of weapons into you cut into, you know,

is it an authentic voice. ready should they actually sit down and talk to the shop even though that would be difficult without quite difficult fiscal choices and actually debate the how can we bring an end, there's gonna tell, or just tying on what we've been doing for the cost to get is which is essentially won't buy the consumer to policy in the policy of offering is many offerings. so if any of the. ready terms of you should just have who situation now i'm a fraud and it has reform u. k. potty. clearly fig. they have smells because of a lot in the upcoming election. now if the party does managed to get the foot in parliament, could not change the political climate. i don't think so. i think it's a physical. i mean, the physical class is trained january, but it seems to will most likely that the can step to fall to be whitewashed in this election. the labor possible will be about, you know, very few people are producing slow. yeah. other than that, however, you have a full boss of basic ups on speaking tendencies is quite

a small number to fall into 651 seats. for the still be that as a kind of a source of voltage is kind of a v point. so on things i phone policy and that can any be a healthy thing. and the problem is that you genuinely represents the physical prospectus. all right, we have to leave you here. now for my british ambassador to russia, an offer of a myspace in moscow. help reduce the cost. absolutely, and proud. thank you. thank you. thanks for a little bit rate. but right now, over to can you now where governments folks boston has tried to deflect the blame for a surge of mass protects that have erupt in the east african state over a hike in texas. but he could not decide who exactly to point the finger at roster for its wall when you train or the west, which dropped the country into a dead drop. i just know the wheel can get has more of this. the big events a rocking kenya. the government of william o toll some say is the faithful servant of washington. the am if and the rollback

is attempting to solve punitive texas down the throats off the masses. and boost has reaped an explosion of the youth which has but i did the streets of every major town and city in kenya. but now government spaces. an as if more water has come out with confusing statements where he is using foreign powers of sponsoring fields, the protests against the fine is both the different parts of the country. according to most of those, sponsoring the protest, i'm happy with, which was the recent stand on the international stage, pointing out to the recent remarks at the ukraine p summit, which to quote on russia to stop it. secretion, a gaze ukraine, as one of the reasons before empowers were finding the demonstrations at the same time. what were allege is that some foreign powers, i'm not happy with who to is if it's to in the light is on the you as well as the main current seats for international trade. it seems like it is trying to find

something with someone to blame and this is not the 1st time the government has used the blame. rochelle called to ignore the outcry, fix people. and this whole blaming thing is sol shielding the whole problem, which is a government ms. is a package in finance board 2024, which represents an onslaught days the pauper's method of getting yeah. a new debt to being taken onto people did at even higher interest rates. and with the i am if and the whole bank is slipping in with loans to help. i'm kidding. every page create it is. and they come with one condition attached that the dates are repaid by introducing these mess of tech fives on ordinary kidney is. and following the i miss instructions, kenyon paul, them and comfortable with with this fine is full and now with also leader in the individual political parties, large crowds the see to my robe. in the cities of the slogans was seeing the slip such hatred with the ruling click at the head of the country would talk clouds

reading slow to my school. but the mass is also a way that can, yeah, is key to the strategic interest of us control. and that's the lead is emilia being instructed by the i m if and that's why some of these prop costs are written 10. yeah, is not to the if that brett, the no word on russia has been opted by the protesters instead. the flow cuz we're seeing reflect the feeling that this is more than just a protest movement. especially with those cop cards. calling for the rejection of the fine is full 22, the full and full to

n b. i may have to go because even the spokesperson himself admits that maybe they shouldn't have loaned that much. look at the de dollarization. if the dollar strong effects or economy negatively, he president routes so. so we find new finance infrastructure internationally. that makes it extremely difficult to pay those loans. that is why we are in a death trap. we take 48 percent of what we collect and pay those people. they would not want us to get out of that slavery. but president, who to him being, ty, administration has so clearly their determination to plow ahead with the findings for 2024 without even thinking of the ordinary citizens. right. you can't guess all the details of all the stories will following minority dot com. i'll be right back on top of the i'll see you again the

the hello and welcome to one's a part most western intellectual school degree and that technology is rapidly changing the world to be leaving with one cavity that is somehow supposed to keep in place the old hierarchy of power with the west, dictating and taking advantage of the most economic and political decisions. how far is the west to willing to go in fighting the inevitable? to discuss that i'm now joined by worry powell and then junk professor at quincy.