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thank you. that's the way to go. you have the option redundancy and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. e. today is the self styled international court of justice deadline. but you, anglo american armed israel to respond to them on the whole military action against 2000000 mostly women and children in gaza. if you're unlucky enough to watch on hbo propaganda media, the conflict began on october the 7th, not with the british belford declaration of 1917 and october. the 7th though is the subject of
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a new book cooperation. alexa flooded the defeat of the vanquished. it's by colonel jack bo, a full man, nato analyst, and head of the u. s. department of peacekeeping operations, peace policy, and doctrine division. he's also been the switch connell. once mutual switzerland recently playing goes to a ukraine conference build as a peace conference. it actually didn't invite one of the policies to the conflict in europe. instead, switzerland was where washington proxy politicians emphasize the need to target china, as well as russia and the importance of stealing money belonging to the russian people to give to a ukraine. now, led by a regime that has abolished democracy kinda jack bo is in brussels home to nato headquarters. thanks so much kind of coming back on. that's my pleasure. well, you know, before, obviously, but if i mentioned your country that you for, for before i get to alexa, florida, i'm going to talk about what you thought of this business suisse conference, switzerland, long last the neutrality that it was a love for, for um,
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a century 2 centuries, 3 centuries. what's your country as we are in a visa or wherever the bees are periods of time? in fact, uh, because obviously this conference less definitely to not have a good publicity for neutrality. but the whole policy, switzerland has waged in the, in the framework of ukraine in conflict or the unit currently and crises is, in fact the, the abandonment. we can say of the neutrality policy. i mean, you may or may not know that switzerland, these assert bestowed most sanctioning country of russia. we sanction even more russia than the you. and that's from the very beginning of the special emitted reparation. so meaning that this, this is the sign that we are in fact of party to the conflict. and because this
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conflict was, was, can what's seen from the west as an economy config. i mean, the purpose of this conflict, despite everything this happens on the field from the western perspective, the purpose of this conflict is to we can, if not these try russia and the destruction is basically a essentially based on sanctions. meaning that if you have switzerland as the 3rd most sanctioning body in this, in this conflict the, we have different parts of the conflict. and that to that raise the level of question in, in switzerland itself. and a lot of opposition party have raised the these, these questions and the have opposed the, the policy of system. but some hope this is different policy and we applied the, the, the rules that's where defined into 3 d. we have a we,
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we jump in union. so this is a, this is just the implication of, of, of, of treaties. but the fact i'm, sorry, time about, what does it terrible schools, what's happened to the, in the country. i mean, do you do not listen to a former, kindly in the swiss army was an a to officially new grade like yourself, me, what was wrong with these was will additions that they wanted to a band. and i mean, it depends on who you are away, so obviously bad to be blinking. wouldn't say they're going wrong. so if you have doing the right thing, but what, why do they want to abandon neutrality and clearly side with washington? i have no idea, but the thing, the fact of the matter is that if you look at the composition of the suites federal council, which is basically the accreditation that proves to the country. and if you look at the composition, you will see it's very close to what you have, you know, a neighboring countries. i mean young people with very little experience, very little professional experience is not so old domain duty into forties also.
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and they'll own from santa rights, a center rights type of, of, of, of the politic political orientation. and these guys saying that because russia is considered as a non democracy or always try now where whoever, then we are a nodes to use any, any policy to find them. and that's related to be the problem. best buy basically we have exactly the same kind of a behavior as a germans or, or it might be under michael and these government, you know, it's, or it's during the cold war. we didn't consider whether so get union was a dictatorship or not. we just had relationships with soviet union period. we are not making a judgment on the way they were conducting the country. and we all
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effort was to avoid that. i mean, we didn't want this type of, um, a government in our countries, but we didn't care about what did it, what's, what's happened in the other ones. but since about 30 years, we tend to focus on the way orders who the country and to try to influence domestic policies. and in essence, this is exactly the policy to find policy that has been waged by the us since 1991. trying to influence domestic policy, it's a, it's a total contradiction to the you and talk to her by the way in the services are as constitution. i'm actually talking about the do. they don't realize that the they're going to be people talking in the global south about the need to get rid of the un headquarters in geneva. because there's one in your hand in geneva, of course,
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and all those un agencies that are in switzerland. they don't belong there. does the red cross belong in switzerland now that the red switzerland is a belligerent in the world war? again, think we can, we can see the problem that way because of those, those institution. i mean, do you have you in institutions by just in india and usa and usa is what you wore. so you know, this is not, i think we shouldn't go too far in, in uh, in terms of relation, the mentor, actual issues and the, the, the, the policy, obviously some find buddies. yep. so it's, and then it's just a problem. i mean the issue and i think allen dulles, who used to be the director of the c i a who, by the way it happened you was the chief of the, or assess, i mean, the office of strategic services during world war 2 and the headquarters of the assess in europe was in burn switzerland during world war 2 and a new,
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perfectly switzerland and after world war 2, as the u. s. tried to stigmatize the neutral countries because in the eyes of the last you are either with them against the period. there is no intermediate position and but, but the island us, it in fact was kind of advocate for switzerland that foss with neutrality in the sixty's. because he said, and i think he's a is thinking was right, that if you have a neutral country, it offers a next it ran to conflict. that's probably not a surprise if you had switzerland as a place to negotiate coffee. remember, the starts of the sole negotiations between the soviet union, either us, but also audra conflicts like iran and you're on us conflict. i mean, remember that to the switzerland, we present to us interesting tyrone and uh you run your own interest in um,
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in the us. so, and that's what was the same, the cube either way. it seems to obama reestablished, you put a magic relationship with the cube by this has been dropped, but basically we used to represent cuban interests in us and vice versa. so the, the a neutral country is always use for when you wants to stop a crisis, because then you have a space where you can, you can lo, negotiation to happen. well, even if you look well different trying to fulfill that road, if you would negotiate china fulfilling that role recently, a visa visa or a bureau, of course, rep, rush. well with, with their enjoyed by mean it's i, you heard it here for us. it's going to jack bo, extolling the virtues of the island. does he feel the head of o. s. s? i think people can read more into island dollars. will elsie good enough to? but i do want to get home to the book because obviously the whole world is concerned about guys or, and funny enough actually. um,
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when you read primo levy escaping to switzerland from the hall. of course, one of the great knows about the holocaust, premier levy, the great novelist you, it makes you realize what switzerland once meant. that's the schedule onto the alex of flood the book. what, what the, what you make of the, the way the word resistance is used in nature media by historians by think tanks, because in your book you say they don't, these people who talk a, even to the you in about the resistance empowers to and don't even understand the concept of what resistance is as well the, there is a, a confusion in the west which is basically also a propaganda saying, because we tend to make a deliberately valued awake a confusion between whereas distance and terrorism. and here we have to make a semantic difference between the 2. resistance means it basically is defined by
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the objective to resist an occupation or whatever. but it is an a, it basically resistance is defined by the objective of resisting while terrorism is not an objective. terrorism is a way of achieving an objective. so in the, in the west or the wording today, we tend to mix the way and the objective. and that's, that's why it's easy then to say that, you know, you know, and that's what goes candle in, in france, as of june at least, oscar a politician whether how much was a resistance or a terrorist movement. but basically, regardless of how you consider hom us, although i consider that thomas has left terrorism in the, in the early ninety's. but this is another discussion. but the think is that
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we, if you ask with how much space is a terrorist or original going to, is it as, since regardless of what you think it can be both because we're assistance is just express the objective of the organization was terrorism would express the strategy each use to achieve that objective. so they basically, these 2 of the 2 words are not antagonistic, is in essence, but we play with those words because people never and in the west we never really define what's terrorism is in fact and today everybody's terry. so when you, you, if you go from france, especially if france for instance, if, even if you express some sympathy for her mouth and you are better, if you don't express sorrow for the ease, riley, then you are considered of sponsoring terrorism. and it was a case recently in a court in, in france about this. so we are, it's,
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it's become still the lease case. so frantic because we don't use the right words to define the right things. now, when it comes to hum us and the palace senior resistance, it is a resistance and they may have used different means and different ways of doing that to our, to use. i mean we, we had a terrorist attack of the policy and, um, organizations, not just how much about orders, especially in the sixties and seventies. uh, in the model where they were gonna have to go to a break, learned tons of this in a moment. those like boss w, that bull from the order of operation and likes of lot after this break, the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. we're so charters at
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conflict with the 1st law show you alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about visual intelligence. the point obviously, is to create a trust rather than to the various jobs. i mean with artificial intelligence, we have summoning theme and the robot must protect his phone. existence was alexis, the, the, the
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hello, and welcome to cross the full horses. here. we discussed some real in the welcome back to the guy that was still here with retired swiss army, go to improve and they do endless yak, well, kind of, i rudely interrupted you about what you were saying about this. a complicated idea of resistance and the imaginations of the western nations. those uh, those countries that did go to this was conference, you a saudi brazil, india less. so india, a very critical of israel and seen as part of the resistance accused of it being
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part of the resistance by a zionist, in an age of nations. china didn't go to this was conference. do you think you can see that this way is comments on ukraine has barrels to gaza. the ukraine conflict and the gaza conflict is part of the geopolitical size more legit? a little different as a yes. and in fact, what's what this conference has shown besides the, the outcome about about ukraine, which is basically no real laptop outcome about the piece, a new grain. but what it shows clearly is the increasing a split between the western world and the rest of the world. and if you noticed the final communicate of the conference was not signed by the most important countries of the, let's say the grow this, the dropout sauce. meaning that those who could have had some kind of leverage on russia didn't sign that the, the communicate meaning that this,
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the whole exercise was a total feed or from the very beginning, even before the conference. in fact, the president of the conference, mississippi. all i'm at, who is incidents and the also the, the defense minister and the same time, she said that probably she should convene a not a conference often. so that was the end of may. i'm but the, by the way, was a little that 3 weeks ago she said probably we should convince another conference officer to birkenstock conference because we don't have rush on board. and, you know, it was due to fail and it failed. and it's the only outcome i think is to show this a split between the south and the, the western world. so that's my, and i look on brain come to, you can, i'm sure that will cheer the mothers of dying children in the west. so things are lensky and ukraine. so actually in the book,
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i like so flawed. you talk about israel, not really having a go here in response to what uh, the resistance is doing and palestine apart from extermination. again, power, those, the with the, the co here in the lack of coherence in a to response because they clearly know, winning the war against russia, the proxy war against russia. unless and both those countries would say, israel would say no, we are some of the cabinet ministers. we're saying we're doing quite well. we are exterminating. as many men women and children as possible in the gaza strip. and the americans would say we're getting closer and closer to an entire western united front in nato, a nuclear war. i'm not sure what the coherent responses well, let, let's put the look at where aside for a while and, and let's come to concentrate on the, under the lease. but it's interesting to see that in fact, in the last 30 years,
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that even more nato has not one any war, not a single one. so and, and through us has been defeated in every war. it has been. so the uh, i would probably like section of the 1st gulf war and 1991, but this was an, an achieved war. it just to some extent. so, but despite this, the problem in counter insurgency and the content in charge of the strategy that is, riley's, is waging goes against, or the rules of counter insurgency. i have been especially drain in the, in the breaking shopping forces in counter insurgency and in the eighty's during the war in northern ireland. so i'm aware of, oh, you should handle a kind of a counter insurgency situation. the ease riley, have done as we think everything wrong to address this. and the only
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explanation for that, and i wrote this already 20 years ago, you know, book on i see metric warfare based on the 2nd intifada. and at that time i said, well, the 2 options, either the, these riley, stupid, and they don't understand who to tool or they do it. they do that on purpose in order to eliminate spelled a student. now the my, my conclusion after what we have seen in, in palestine, in the last of which i did last year because the, the 7 of october, each just to the, to the point of, of, of, of crises at the start to much earlier last year in any case, what we have seen is a constant as the, there's a consistent approach of these ready to eliminate palestinians. the, i'm not trying to solve the problem on the political,
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a political dimension or political side as we normally should. for a country insurgency. they are doing that by brute force, meaning that the destroyed people and that's the name of the game. by the way, what we see in the west bank shows exactly. busy these already wants to do that to means pushing the by the seniors out of products time. and that is nice. think this investing in new on that this was already written in the forty's. you had already, people see a rising the, the role of the gross of the establishment of the is rarely states. and this was, this was clearly said, this is the, the, the body assign will be exclusively you. and that, that was, that has always been to consistent policy. the only problem is that they don't, they have to do it in one shot. so meaning that they are doing that, so we'd, we'd,
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the brutal sequences that we had sometimes in the, in the west bank, sometimes these guys are and so one, but the ultimate goal is to empty all assign from palestinians. and you know, the course they would point to the fact that they allow christians and arabs in uh, israel as, as constructed now to be, as they often say, supreme court judges, etc, etc. and they allow christians to worship with the judge of this only civil cuz they do, but they don't have the same rights. you know, that's, that's also something which defies the definition of democracy or the rule of law in western countries. because if you are in, in, in, in france, for instance, or even if the course you can, so would like to be independent. they still have the same rights as the french. and,
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and, and the same applies to other countries in your, in, in europe, regardless of your, in your skin color of your political. busy orientation or whatever use dealer, but you are still entitled to the same rights. okay. kind of like the, i think it's mean it's, yeah, yeah, obviously this view point is not allowed in some cases. i'm just that. and then with the definitions of anti semitism bizarrely, but i want to get on actually did the one who's helping this general stand aside enabling it. i mean, obviously britain, the united states, the nation supporting and the weapons. but every day other day i to the blinking spokespeople of the state department seem to say, we don't know what's going on yet. we're waiting for these railings to report back on this atrocity or data trusting to they don't have satellites monitoring what's going on. what is for us they did is american intelligence deeply involved? i know the british of the base in cyprus is involved there being reports,
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but it is, is the united states intelligence says that they intimately involved with what you're talking about here. be exterminated. so they do people as well about the explanation. i mean, the think is that, you know, i think intelligence services regardless of from which country deal they know exactly what's going on. the, the political, the politicians do a, something else they, they turn a blind eye to that. but i think every intelligence service, no, they have the spy satellites, but can see, and the guys are that they do me say and, and in fact, i know, remember that the, the, the, the risk you of those for prisoners a few days ago, your, you last week or so in the, in the interests you just have the, this was done with, with the u. s. intelligence, because even these rarely had not the intelligence to know that these prisoners where in that location. so even they,
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they even needed the americans for that. so meaning that the americans know perfectly and we know that i mentioned that to my book by the way, that you have constant over flights from us and british reconnaissance aircraft has high onto to reconnect since aircraft the come are coming from cyprus. and they come in circle around the, around the guys news read, you know, this to monitor the situation. so these are very 3 of you on the intelligence side of west, any tides of what's happening in the, in the, in the guys out was a stretch straight. so there is no, no question about this. the problem is that the politicians and we see that perfectly, we countries like germany, fines the germany and, and that's a fix, probably either your print country as well. they also a deeply affected but by the history and what happened during world war one, overall 2, sorry, that they don't there to to, to,
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to create the size and they use where the government, that's the problem. and that's the reasons why the ease ready, government basically can do whatever he wants because nobody would come down. even if, if you read my book, i have listed over to you and resolutions that have been violated by the east where the government seems 19. 471948 because is read it was created in may 1947, 48. but all these violations, almost none, have been a followed by sanctions or blame or whatever. and the by and these are binding resolutions as the product. yes, the us um, but hesitate to be un needs to note. give me will just find that you mentioned nuclear weapons on cold war. i'm a radio and netanyahu cabinet minister member famously before he was suspended, although has support. i'm
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a try area who said your expectation when you lost your expectations tomorrow morning we drop what amount is i'm kind of new cable model of gaza flattening them, eliminating everybody there and he went. that's one way. why won't a v as riley's, if they take on board what you just said we because they're not stupid? no. why wouldn't they? uh think, why would they go foster? because it was designed as low as reply to what you just said and say, if we really wanted to can all of them, we use the nuclear weapons or some sort of tactical, conventional mass killing weapons as well. they could. but remember that they already have projects for, for having to rebuild a kind of a company in the guys i, they are already people who are ready to buy land in guys. i mean use riley's and so the, the idea is to empty completely does all and then to rebuild the kind of calling the, as they add until the 22005. and do you have uh, uh,
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even those extremities to ease release any saying we want uh, a nice view on the c panel and things like that. so meaning that if you use a nuclear bomb to eliminate the population guys, you will not be able to to do it to, to come back in this area because because of radiation and all of that. so that's probably the reason why the use of nuclear weapons for that. these on the o retards question, but still it's indicates the, the mood of these, um, these uh, uh, is rarely offer shields who wants to exterminate the ballasting? and that's, that's the worry that the device um part of it, they will not use nuclear weapons because of the technicalities, but they still wants to eliminate by the students can, would you like? well, thank you. my pleasure. thank you. and continued condolences to those bereaved by u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide, that's over the show will be back with
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