in this conflict that is clearly cannot win. so as the u. k. electric goes to the poles, it seems almost certain that british p m. we, she soon, i could soon be losing his job. i labor leader to your spam or will be that you guys knew prime minister. well, well many will be watching is just how well knowledge of a rise reform party doors in the vote as hungry victor o'bonham, slovakia as well, but fee. so as view of europe may be taking a foothold in the u. k. all around supp, disney is always good to have be with us here on all the international i've seen with tennessee is on the ground of next. we'll be back in about 30 minutes. the

time, so you're welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a today is the self styled international court of justice deadline. but you, anglo american armed israel to respond to them on the whole military action against 2000000 mostly women and children in gaza. if you're unlucky enough to watch an age of propaganda media, the conflict began on october the 7th north with the british belford declaration of 1917 and october. the 7th though is the subject of a new book cooperation. alexa flooded the defeat of the vanquished ha! it's by colonel jack bo, a full man nature on the list and head of the un department of peacekeeping operations, peace policy, and doctrine division. he's also been the switch kind of once mutual, switzerland recently playing goes to a ukraine conference build as a peace conference. it actually didn't invite one of the parties to the conflict in europe. instead, switzerland was washington proxy. politicians emphasize the need to target china as

well as russia and the importance of stealing money belonging to the russian people to give to a ukraine. now led by a regime that has abolished democracy. kinda jack bo is in brussels home to nathan quotas. thanks so much kind of coming back on. that's my pleasure. well, you know, before, obviously, before i mentioned your country that you 44. but before i get to alexa, florida, i'm going to talk about what you thought of this business suisse conference, switzerland, long last the neutrality that it was a lot of people fall around a century, 2 centuries, 3 centuries. what's your country as we are in a visa, or wherever the bees are periods of time? in fact, uh, because obviously this conference less definitely to not have a good publicity for neutrality. but the whole policy, switzerland has waged in the framework of ukraine in conflict or the unit cleaning

crisis is in fact the, the abandonment. we can say of the neutrality policy. i mean, you may or may not know that switzerland, these assert bestowed most sanctioning country of russia. we sanctioned even more restaurant than the you. and that's from the very beginning of the special emitted reparation. so meaning that this, this is the sign that we are in fact of party to the conflict. and because of this conflict was, was come. what's seen from the west as an economy config commando, the purpose of this conflict, despite everything this happens on a field from the western perspective. the purpose of this conflict is to we can, if not these try rush out. and the destruction is basically

essentially based on sanctions, meaning that if you add switzerland, as the said, most sanctioning body in this, in this conflict the, we have different parts of the conflict. and that to that raise of other question in is with some of itself. and a lot of opposition party have raised the these, these questions and the have opposed the, the policy of system. but some hope the sees defined policy and we applied the, the, the rules that's where defined into 3 d. we have a we, we jump in union. so this is a, this is just the implication of, of, of a treaties. but the fact, sorry kind, well, what does it terrible schools, what's happened to the country? i mean, do you do not listen to a former, kindly in the swiss army was an a to official and ukraine like yourself to be what, what is wrong with these with bullet visions that they wanted to a band. and i mean, it depends on who you are away,

so obviously bad to be blinking. wouldn't say they're going wrong. so if they're doing the right no, but what, why do they want to abandon neutrality and clearly side with washington? i have no idea, but the thing, the fact of the matter is that if you look at the composition of the suites federal council, which is basically the accreditation that proves to the country. and if you look at the composition, you will see it's very close to what you have, you know, a neighboring countries. i mean young people with very little experience, very little a professional experience is not so old. i mean, do, in the forty's also and the own from santa rights, a center rights type of, of, of, of the politic political orientation. and these guys say that because russia is considered as a non democracy or always try now where whoever, then we are

a no to use any, any policy to fight them. and that's really to be the problem. best buy basically we have exactly the same kind of a behavior as a germans or, or it might be under my goal and these government, you know, it's, or it's during the cold war. we didn't consider whether still get union was a dictatorship or not. we just had relationships with soviet union period. we are not making a judgment on the way the where a conducting the country and we all effort was to avoid that. i mean, we didn't want this type of a government in our countries, but we didn't care about what did it, what's, what's happened in the other months. but since about 30 years, we tend to focus on the weight orders who the country and to try to influence

domestic policies. and in essence, this is exactly the policy to find a policy that has been waged by the us since 1991. trying to influence domestic policy, it's a, it's a total contradiction to the un charter by the way, in the service or service constitution actually talking about the do they don't realize that the, they're going to be people talking in the global south about the need to get rid of the un headquarters in geneva, cuz there's one in your hand in geneva, of course, and all those un agencies that are in switzerland, they don't belong there. does the red cross belong in switzerland now that the red switzerland is a belligerent in the world war? i don't think we can. we can see the problem that way because of those, those institution. i mean, do you have you, any solutions by just in, in, in usa and usa is what you wore. so you know, this is not,

i think we shouldn't go too far in, in uh, in terms of relation to the mentor, actual issues and the, the, the, the policy, obviously some find bodies. yep. so it's, and then it's just a problem. i mean the issue and i think alan dulles, who used to be the director of the c i a who by the way it happened that you was the chief of the, or assess, i mean, the office of frontier services during world war 2 and the headquarters of the o assess in europe was in burn switzerland during world war 2 and a new, perfectly switzerland and after world war 2, as the u. s. tried to stigmatize the neutral countries because in the eyes of the last you are either with them against the period. there is no intermediate position and but, but i don't, does it, in fact, was kind of an advocate for switzerland, that phosphorus neutrality in the sixty's. because he said, and i think he's

a is thinking was right, that if you have a neutral country, it offers. next, it ran to conflict. that's probably not a surprise if you had switzerland as a place to negotiate compet, remember the starts of those holes negotiations between the soviet union, either us, but also audra conflicts like iran and you're on us conflict. i mean, remember that to the switzerland, we present to us interesting tyrone, and you run your interest in um, in the us. so, and that's why i was the same with cuba. by the way, it seems to obama reestablish, keep the magic relationship with the cube by this has been dropped, but basically we used to represent the cuban and dressing us and vice versa. so the, the a neutral country is always use for when you want to stop a crisis,

because then you have a space where you can, you can a low, a negotiation to happen. well, if you look well, different china fulfilled that road, if you would negotiate china fulfilled that role. uh, recently a visa visa, or a bureau of course, rep, rush. well with, with verizon. i mean it's, i, you heard it here for us. it's going to jack bo, extolling the virtues of the island. does he feel the head of o. s. s. i think of the people can read more into aland bellis will elsie good enough to. but i do want to get home to the book because obviously the whole world is concerned about god's aren't funny enough actually. um, when you read primo levy escaping to switzerland from the hall, of course one of the great knows about the holocaust, premier levy, the great novelist you, it makes you realize what switzerland once meant. and that's, that's just schedule onto with the alex, a flood to book what, what to what you make of the way the word resistance is used

in nato media by historians, by think tanks, because in your book you say they don't, these people who talk a, even to the you in about the resistance empowers to and don't even understand the concept of what resistance is as well. but there is a confusion in the west, which is basically also a propaganda saying, because we tend to make a deliberate for the body to wake a confusion between whereas distance and terrorism. and here we have to make a semantic difference between the 2. resistance means it basically is defined by the objective to resist an occupation or whatever. but it isn't a basically, resistance is defined by the objective of resisting while terrorism is not an objective. terrorism is a way of achieving an objective. so in the,

in the western wording today, we tend to mix the weight and the objective. and that's, that's why it's easy then to say that, you know, you know, and that's what it tells us, candle in, in france as of june of these oscar, a politician, whether hamas was a residence or a terrorist movement. but basically, regardless of how you consider hom us, although i consider that thomas has left terrorism in the, in the early ninety's. but this is another discussion. but the think is that we, if you ask without how much space is terrace or to read it, and we're going to say it as, since, regardless of what you think it can be both because we're assistance is just express the objective of the organization was terrorism, would express the strategy each use to achieve that objective. so they basically, these 2 of the 2 words are not a diagnostic is in essence,

but we play with those words because people never and in the west, we never really define what's terrorism is in fact and today everybody's terry. so when you, if you go to france, especially if france for instance, if, even if you express some sympathy for her mouth and ear or better, if you don't express sorrow for the ease, riley, then you are considered a sponsoring terrorism. uh, and it was a case recently in a court in, in france about this. so we are, it's, it's become still the lease case. so frantic because we don't use the right words to define the right things. now, when it comes to hum us and the palestinian resistance, it is a resistance and they may have use different means and different ways of doing that to our, to use. i mean we, we had a terrorist attack of the policy in

a organizations, not just how most about audrey is, especially in the sixties and the 70s. a in the model where they will have to go to a break. little returned to this in a moment. so it was like, well, i'll stop you that move from the order of operation. i like stuff like after this break the

the welcome back to 1000000000 undergrad. i'm still here with retired swiss army. go to improve and they do endless. jack. well, a kind of, i rudely interrupted you about what you were saying about this complicated idea of resistance and the imaginations of the western nations. those, those countries that did go to this was going from the you a saudi brazil, india less. so india, a very critical of israel and seen as positive the resistance accused of it as a ping punch of the resistance by a, as zion, as in an agent nation, china didn't go to this with conference. do you think you can see that this way is converts on ukraine has barrels to gaza. ukraine conflict and the gaza conflict is part of the geo political size more legit? a little different as a yes. and in fact, what's what this conference has shown besides the, the outcome about about ukraine,

which is basically no real laptop outcome about the piece, a new grain. but what it shows clearly is the a precinct a split between the western world and the rest of the world. and if you noticed the final communicate of the conference was not signed by the most important countries of the, let's say the grow this, the dropout styles. meaning that those who could have had some kind of leverage on russia didn't sign that the, the communicate meaning that this, the whole exercise was towed to the feet or from the very beginning even before the conference. in fact, the president of the conference, mississippi. all i'm at, who is incidents and the also the, the defense minister and the same time, she said that probably she should convene a not

a conference often. so that was the end of may. i'm but the, by the way, but more that 3 weeks ago she said probably we should convince another conference officer to birkenstock conference because we don't have rush on board and you know, because due to fail and it failed, and each the, the only outcome, i think is to show this a split between the south and the, the western world. so that's my another account brain company. you can, i'm sure that will, to the mothers of dying children in the west servings and lensky and ukraine. so actually in the book i likes the flood, you talk about israel, not really having a go here in response to what the resistance is doing and palestine apart from extermination. again, power, those, the with the, the co here in the lack of coherence in a to response because they clearly not winning the war against russia,

the proxy war against russia, unless, and both those countries would say, israel would say no, we are some of the cabinet ministers, we're saying we're doing quite well. we are exterminating. as many men, women and children as possible in the gaza strip and the americans would say we're getting closer and closer to an entire western united front in nato and you'd be a war. i'm not sure what the coherent responses as well let's, let's put the look at where aside for a while and, and let's con consent, traits on the, under the lease. but it's interesting to see that in fact, in the last 30 years, that even more nato has not one any war, not a single one. so, and as us has been defeated in every war, it has been. so the, uh, i would probably like section of the 1st gulf war in $9091.00, but this was an achieved war. it just to some extent. so, but despite this,

the problem in counter insurgency and the content in charge of the strategy that either of these is waging goes against. or the rooms of counter insurgency, i have been especially drain in the, in the, the breaking shopping forces in counter insurgency. and in the eighty's during the war in northern ireland. so i'm, i'm aware of, oh, you should handle a kind of a counter insurgency situation is riley, have done every, every, think, everything wrong to address this. and the only explanation for that. and i brought this already 20 years ago, you know, book and i see metric warfare based on the 2nd intifada. and at that time i said, well, the 2 options, either the use riley us to pete and they don't understand who to wage war or they do it. they do that on purpose in order to eliminate spell a student. now the my,

my conclusion after what we have seen in, in palestine, in the last of which i did last year because the, the 7 of october, each just to the ftp point of, of, of, of crises at the start to much earlier last year in any case, what we have seen is a most of us does a consistent approach of these ready to eliminate palestinians not trying to solve the problem on the political, a political dimension or political side as we normally should for a counter insurgency. they are doing that by brute force, meaning that the destroyed people and that's the name of the game. by the way, what we see in the west bank shows exactly. busy what these ready wants to do, that means pushing the protest, seniors out of palestine,

and that is nice think this investing in new on that this was already written in the forty's you had already. people see arising at the uh, the role of the gross of the establishment of the is rarely states. and this was, this was clearly said, this is the, the, the bought, assigned will be exclusively you. and that, that was, that has always been to consistent policy. the only problem is that they don't, they have to do it in one shot. so meaning that they are doing that. so we'd with the brutal sequences that we had sometimes in the, in the west bank, sometimes these guys off and so one. but the ultimate goal is to empty palestine from palestinians. you know, the course they would point to the fact that they allow christians in arabs in uh israel as, as constructive now to be as they often say,

supreme court judges, etc, etc. and they allow christians to worship at the judge for this only civil cuz they do, but they don't have the same rights. you know, that's, that's also something which defies the, our definition of democracy or the rule of law in western countries. because if you are in, in, in, in france vices, or even if the course you can, so would like to be independent. they still have the same rights as the french. and, and, and the same applies to other countries in your, in, in europe, regardless of your, your skin color of your piratical. busy orientation or whatever use dealer, but you are still entitled to the same rights. okay. kind of like the, i think it's mean it's, yeah, yeah. obviously this view point is not allowed in some cases on does that. and then

with the definitions of anti semitism bizarrely, but i want to get on actually to the what, who's helping this general stand aside enabling it? i mean, obviously britain, the united states, the nation supporting and the weapons. but every day, other day i to the blinking spokespeople of the state department seem to say, we don't know what's going on yet. we're waiting for these rallies to report back on this atrocity or data trusting to they don't have satellites monitoring what's going on. what is, or yes they do, it is american intelligence deeply involved. i know the british of the base in cyprus is involved there being reports, but it is, is the united states intelligence says that they be intimately involved with what you're talking about here. the be exterminated, so they do people as well about the explanation. i mean, the think is that, you know, i think intelligence services regardless of from which country deal they know exactly what's going on. the, the political, the politicians do a,

something else they, they turn a blind eye to that. but i think every intelligence service, no, they have the spy satellites, they can see, and the guys are that they do me say and, and in fact, i know, remember that the, the, the, the risk you of those for prisoners a few days ago you last week or so in the, in the interests you just have the, this was done with, with the u. s. intelligence, because even these rarely have not the intelligence to know that these prisoners where in that location. so even they, they even needed the americans for that. so meaning that the americans know perfectly and we know that i mentioned that to my book by the way that you have constant overflights from us and british reconnaissance aircraft has, hey, i'll teach you to reconnect since aircraft the come are coming from cyprus and they come in circle around the around the guys news read, you know,

this to monitor the situation. so these are very 3 of you on the intelligence side of west, any tides of what's happening in the, in the, in the guys out was a stretch strip. so there is no, no question about this. the problem is that the politicians, and we see that perfectly, we countries like germany, fines, germany and, and that's fx probably either your print country as well. they also is deeply affected, but by the history and what's happened during world war one, overall 2, sorry that they don't there to uh, to, to, to criticize a date use where the government, that's the problem. and that's the reasons why the east ready government basically can do whatever he wants because nobody would come down. even if, if you read my book i have listed, or the you and resolutions that have been violated by the,

is there any government since 19471948 because the is read was created in may 1947, 48. but only these violations, almost none have been a followed by sanctions or blame or whatever and even about and these are binding resolutions as the prose. yes. the us um, but hesitate to the un needs to note, give me will just find that you mentioned nuclear weapons on cold war. i'm a radio and netanyahu cabinet minister member famously before he was suspended, although has support. i'm a try area who said your expectation when you'll ask your expectations tomorrow morning we drop what a month is. i'm kind of new cable model of guys flattening them, eliminating everybody there and he went. that's one way. why won't a v as riley's, if they take on board what you just said we because they're not stupid? no. why wouldn't they? uh think, why would they go foster? because it goes, design is too low as reply to what you just said and say,

if we really wanted to can all of them, we'd use the nuclear weapons or some sort of tactical, conventional mass killing weapons as well. they could. but remember that they already have projects for, for having to rebuild a kind of a company in the guys i, they are already people who are ready to buy land in guys. i mean use riley's and so the, the idea is to empty completely guys all and then to rebuild the kind of calling the, as they had until the 22005. and do you have uh, uh, even those extremities to ease release any saying we want a nice view on the c panel and things like that. so many of the, if you use a new car bomb to eliminate depopulation, guys are, you will not be able to log in to, to it, to, to come back in this area because because of radiation and all of that. so that's

probably the reason why the use of nuclear weapons for that is only a rhetorical question. but still, it indicates the, the mood of these, um, these uh, uh, is rarely offer shields who wants to exterminate the ballasting and that's, that's the worry, the worst part of it. they will not use the weapons because of the technicalities, but they still wants to eliminate by the students can, would you like? well, thank you. my pleasure. thank you. and continued condolences to those bereaved by u. k. u. s. and you, i'm genocide that's over the show will be back with a brand new episode on so i have danville then keep in touch, why will i social media if it's not sense a new country and channel going on? we've got to tv on mobile, don't come to us, new and old episodes, i'm going on the ground. so this out to the

known in vietnam, american law, the vietnam war, lost it for almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. the need times with nouns, but you don't see it now. why did all of them did hundreds of thousands of american troops who was sent to the country to back the south vietnamese on me? i got all that not, but the american soldiers murdered, resist as most of the slaves burned down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals and lee by all right, did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yes, yes, and that's the way to

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