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to the below in welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter lavelle since the events of october 7th. israel's made a series of strategic errors for the most part. this has occurred because of the strategic blindness and weakness of the, by the administration. and there was no evidence either parties learned anything from these mistakes. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, could work i, my son in berlin. he has found groups ariana analysis, and here in moscow we crossed to dmitri ball, which is a political analyst. it spoke nic international, regional in cross block roles, in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out in berlin cover. cool. you know, in my introduction i talked about strategic errors. and once we teach
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a gary or compounds to another, i mean, which really quite remarkable. in the last few days, we have had the idea of not the government, but the idea of a come out and say you cannot defeat from us because i'm off as an idea. well, that's kind of elementary to all of us. they've been watching this conflict from the very beginning, and now we see it as a form of risk. i don't know. it could be just smoking mirrors, we've seen these things before. but i mean, if you want to look at strategic cares, that's the number one. and then from there it just compounds itself worse and worse until we get to this point, almost 9 months later, your thoughts. and actually, i don't want to make any comparisons between homos and the other is flemish organizations, but the u. s. has already warned israel not to repeat the same mistakes that they have company that after the $911.00. right. i mean, how much is a natural development of to dictates of suppressing the palestinians at the beginning the resistance was left to being, it was a socialist. sometimes it was
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a nationalist, and all of them were called terrorist. and this has, they will look into more different versions that say of an armed resistance against it. ok, patient, i know we have how much because they, it's easy to use religion to cover, to bring the people and unite them together against the enemy. so in this case the, it is where i just have taken what is called a strategic decision to ethnically cleansed the processing. and some of the guys asked you this is the decision because in a decade or 2 they cannot sustain israel as an apartheid country. therefore, they want to ethnically cleansed the palestinians, but this is the strategic mistake because they have under estimated the resistance in gaza. and also on the grand scheme they have under estimated the ideology behind the resistance. so now how much is engaged by as an idea, and anyone in the guise of sleep, any fighting age man, could join him us out of frustration out of the grief for the pain that these are i
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just are inflicting upon the policy. and so you don't have to believe in how mazda is ideal, allows you to join how much you only have to believe that's what these values are doing. and the guy's a ship is wrong, and they have choose your family, and you want to fight against them. so this is the huge mistake by the israelis and the americans are walking with nothing out there. they're walking with him to the edge of abby's and they're taking the people up the region with them to the edge of this. and do we are very, very close to an arm, a good one scenario. and i hope i'm going in this case. well, we'll talk a little bit about that later on. is gonna edema mean the you know, another strategic there's, i don't know if it's a good cop bad cop strategy where you, we have, you know, the bike administration is we're a 2 state solution. you know, i, i, i'm so tired of hearing that and rhetoric it is gone nowhere. and then we have also be, is really easily under the premiership of letting you know, saying that what they will be now until they, you know, the,
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i don't know if they're trying to just make a full lot of us exhaust us. because that's the strategy. exhausting people, but i mean again, you know, there is no coherence here. and the as a result, both the united states and israel look at fault here and it worked and even worse, fema the low. it's not the 1st term that tonight, the states that you send in conflict just signal it's. it's like we can see that the part of china, but we want that part of china to be ready to fight china and prove it. that's, you know, and we have pumped in the home, so that's part of china against the remainder of the church. that's very strange, but that's what we hear the same with these 2 stage settings. i think the history here is very complicated, but if we reduce it to not show basically what happened was that uh, not immediately but often age is 67. the west started considering israel
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a part of itself. and the ideology of the more than west i pull it out from the bird isn't it presupposes that western c reservation is to be older. all the wives have to be after co be uh and uh, this is a cubic by more delicate means. that means the main can site for you. i mean, there's no need to alter, bye. oh dear. so, you know, if you can just, you know, i'll just say and, but it wasn't by the front, but everyone understood that the fringe that we're going to write it will get right to the arabs even though yes they are there, but suppress. so in the same way a little by little less do the same way as for us. abundance of g is the west. want to proceed with the same colonial policy by nice to meet, you know, uh, operate, just broke. she is the author into the store. they leads sifting uh the resources out to offshore accounts. and these are,
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oh for several reasons. there's no come to 3 minutes. you know, these are right now be, she's like a 90 and the same 3 colonial fault, you know? and the problem is, what's your situation? the problem for is realize there's the internet today i've are, i've used the map use that argument before, is it? if this, the 19th century, the genocide would be complete and it would be just left up to historians compared to it's one of the interesting things also is that, you know, because of the way western media has grain the, the conflict berry on equal conflict at that i mean, when use complex, he said like there are 2 sides. well, there are 2 sides. one has the norm is power and the other is an occupied people. and, you know, again, you, i agree with, you can call whatever you want come us, but it's a resistance group at the, at the very least. okay. um, but, you know, the, the problem is that the united states in israel and it's proxies in the west. they will never consider this as a colonials colonial settler project,
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and it's something that doesn't work in the 21st century because of some, and most of the countries, the world that we have the day in the united nations were victims of western imperialism. look, it's very normal that the americans end date appears. we're not to consider israel as an occupation, older colonial state because as a be honest case said is rarely presents the eyes and ears of the western world. and the americans in the middle east and the americans have implied and employed a very simple strategy that anyone can see true. and that is divide and conquer. and these riley is, have been dividing, including the region, and also the inviting american occupation end of each end to do the bidding of these rarely is they have done it any of our, we have done it in the regime change. we're in syria and now they are urging the americans to fight their fight against the hezbollah, against eat on. therefore, it's very, it's very easy for me to see this a,
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the is really intention to bring the americans into the region because they are in the very big by name of the moment. they are fighting against an armed resistance in guys i called them whatever you want. this people are fighting with this on those. and i'm watching the videos and they are shooting is riley forces. they're not killing babies. they're not getting get a woman and children in big as i see if this is what i see from the food age. i like the food age coming from these various sites. it's been easy nowadays in the area of social media to make comparisons and see the different military tactics of different size. and therefore at the moment i totally see that these various are in a really big trouble. and they can, they see that the only way out from this is to bring the americans into their agent again. but this is not in the interest of the united states. if you think about internationally, the americans have no business at the moment to wage award in the region. their business from their perspective is far east asia of what they see and say,
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this is the trip coming from china. so they want to contain china. therefore, this war in the middle east, if the americans come in, i say that it will be against the interest of the americans in ukraine and also against the american interest in taiwan. they are exhausting their resources by coming to the region again. and this time, the players of the region of the state and non state actors already for the americans. it's not 2000 actually. all the parties, how our military rise and all the parties have gained experience in the past with their case. and they've been preparing for this for a quarter century. if we look at the mommy and his strategy, you know, to me, you said something, you know, that, you know is real. it likes to say there are an extension of the west and the west as israel's, and it's, it is rarely say they are and extension as well. i mean, but, you know, given particularly the history of the united states with slavery and jim crow, how can be cited states, say that they share our values when it's in apartheid,
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racist supremacist state and, and the whole world sees the hypocrisy about to, oh, well, uh, okay, uh, let's view it died, there was a pretty, you know, there i go with the west is going to tell you i'm sure about that. i can give a lot of proof, you know, such as destruction of history such as uh, finding a group that is supposedly, uh, was so bad there pressed them to boston, every lancaster bowl to the government, which supposedly, i suppose the represents the group. so it's a 30 there and i told you, or if it depends a wall, this vibrations and shut them to the west. and that, and i go to now as well, despite it, it has to push are very simple. never, it should be a narrative. the big step step. so the narrative of both, these really was very simple. refugees, you know, with software print for, for us, the, uh, phones they are fine, the websites treasury even meet, at least for some reason the locals didn't like them. so there was these
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unfortunate ethnic yes, there are some ready to go, some of these refugees, but all of them sap was, but the only know they're more there. this is a simplistic, narrow deal, which is of course, on uh, by the eighty's being repeated all the time. i mean it, i'm sorry, and rush, it would have the same simplistic narrative from the west of all to paint. but russia use a colonial or you pray, you'll swear all as a 2nd rate people just simply not true. green soviet, your brain was a part of soviet the lead going out of raising your from crucial came from ukraine also. but the, because people, most of the people have no time to will, uh, to a library and the see for themselves. they, they sometimes, uh, by the west network. what the less than that are difficult, easier. it was just getting to egress. that'd be called the wall street journal. you know just of a few days ago that it was probably easier i when the surrender of the west,
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the also is shelby steve. curious about what the what the rights just very quickly today. williams, the west, 30 loved some to use also made it to white list. we seem embarrassed which i should be doing for us on board us left with the team racist have the same way like we are trish with them to help these ro last. we see cool and there and they see, but it's giving us, i'm not impressed with the problems, but it's the issues that they have an internalized sam. so your and the greek discover when the order to dissipate period. so this is a very nice way to explain, you know, uh people see how thousands of children we mail are being killed every day. and then somebody wants to go and says, oh no, no, that's not important. or these people are suffering because they have some type of logical broadwell, you know, i'm gonna have to jump in here to go to break, but know that there's a psychotic group of people in washington and israel that are doing this. it's
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about the palestinians general that i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real nice stay with our to the the we are in a rush or southern regional offer on where the mighty motor flows into the caspian sea, forming of the largest as to where in continental europe, which means it's
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a great place to learn about the, the, the welcome echo across, stuck where all things are considered. i'm funeral about you and you were discussing something real news. burke. let me go back to you. we have benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister of israel, and invited to address a joint session of congress in july. and when you look at western media, they're looking at the optics of this with, in terms of the american election. well, he embarrassed biting. will he and empower the maga group? you know, how the speaker of the house of johnson will handle and all that. i find that all very absurd and immaterial because the whole world is going to be watching this with the i c. j is doing with the icpc is doing, and then they're going to, um,
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wrote roll out the red carpet for benjamin netanyahu. i can think of a, we're soft power thing for the west to do right now than that. it's really up to 3rd and it and it and if the whatever legitimacy that the west thinks it has left is good to be put on full display for everyone to dismiss. go ahead to i remember when the ukrainians thought it was a brilliant idea to invite, give it to him back to me to wait for it. so that really has it been for landscape? who is the p r guy who towards the landscape that this was a good idea like this was just polarizing the discussion that i even further. and similarly with binge, i mean nothing. yeah, we have considerable number of of course the grid that's in break is not to work criminal. i'm not trying to compare her with. i'm just saying in the piano scheme binge. i mean, that's, and you always hate it by many, many people in the united states and including israel, including use. uh huh. i mean, these guys support. i think that even if the people who want to support is rated
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when they see of injury, i mean that's any on people who shake hands with benjamin that any are come out of some of a come out of the meeting and say this guy is a psychopath, this guy can, to thousands of people without blinking an eye. everybody knows who has been. i mean, not then, you know, and she's testimony, it seems to be a t, as in the ninety's and how he shape the or ers, the americans to go into words in india. i think this will also send a very, very bad signal to the vast majority of the global styles who are watching what's happening in the guys. i see it as the microscope i would microscope and seeing that this could be the same. this same example could be normalized ended on countries because if they can kill depaula, cnn's like the flies on this of humans, they can do the same thing in optic or they can do the same thing in other me that isn't conscious. i mean is yeah. so inviting that anyhow, despite all his crimes, stands the signal to the rest of the world that the americans are not interested in
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human rights and democracy. and all the 3 shows that they have been pitching in the past decades. and this is also going to have the alternative powers in our shop. and in china, many people support the restaurant and ukraine, not because they love the shot or what the story is doing. and you can, because they see true with this conflict, that this is a proxy war against the united dates and against me too. and they want to be liberated in their own country, some american imperialism. therefore, they support that. they support the us and especially military offensive in ukraine . so i don't understand who is really advising that by the administration or the congress in this case. but this is very comfortable. that's giving my opinion. i don't know. i don't know who, who's calling the shots. so i'd hear more it more often, it seems like it's some of the political a lead to in the, in, in israel, in a pack in the, in it. and it's equivalence all to the western world. that's the only explanation. let me demo anthony blinking. then i can figure out a piece of the us secretary of state, or he's the foreign minister of israel,
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i think. and a lot of off the cuff comments are coming out of the region after, i don't know, he's been there 8 times on the shuttle stuff. you know, i mean nobody, they don't think he's, you know, he, why is he speaking when he's, when they can listen to what the israelis have to say, he has nothing original to say and he won't even defend the interest of his own country. it's really exasperating for a lot of people demo. oh, coming back to the idea that we've had to begin, oh, i could say some easier. it was behavior on the lights and 19th century west and colonial power. so, but during the last 100 years, the west has become so much more critical. i mean, you cannot just be when we say that google suppress the sub humans, you'll have to use some of the phrases uh, you know, talking about smoky. it is nice. you'd be talking about mountain counter really is right. of the problem. uh or the west is the israel is not using the center
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meant the rhetoric, you know, usually just saying outright what the west wanted to do and what they want to do. and, and the blinking his face with a de la, here is the country that we have to support about the, you'll stay below around 3 proud you deal with that us and the, you know, uh, do them the, well, the day is something that turns out that the west is arranging to support you as well. it's like, uh, you know, when the west is just about ready to abandon these ro here it was saying, well, i bought a box of you a lot. you know, i so i can be surprised built into the j go, well i need to get the mm hm. my, my, you know, the overall impression for the last, almost 9 months is that the new will look at people like jake sullivan and, and uh, anthony, blinking and who knows what vitamin thinks about anything. but i mean, what, you know, when you look at these policy makers, you know, what, where is the most, is the perception of what's going on,
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not what is happening. it's the way people see it, correct. let me go to you back and grow and continue with that and you'll get that . you can go ahead the crime if it's not. if it's not revealed, if, if you, if you, perhaps they strive inmates record and no one knows, do it. you know, that's the passage. well that's the only point the best way to get to it. do you know the, the special envoy of, by the administration most folks time is it was in the region last week and yeah, but now you say i, i'm going to top you, i'm going to tell you something, you probably don't know, at least i hope you don't know, keep going. i most of stein is a former idea of soldiers. he was a tang crew. he was in but is really made it to me and he is a double citizen. he's a don't citizen, he has in is really passport and he was a live on, on delivering a message to the regional congress telling them that it has well has to withdraw it to the north stuff late on it or else what's that as he is it's a invasion of the is right. well i think we've talked about that which i want to do
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. there's another thing you forgot about his um, um his cv, did you know that he was a director on of the energy company but we sma no, but uh i saw i the i only learned that yesterday. okay. i lived you. you've touched on 11. all right, day with it. let's stay with web and on here. so the only way, okay, you israel is because a experience as a teacher defeated in gaza. okay. and so well that that's not gonna hold them back . the only way that they can move forward is to expand the complex and they've given what we've seen the last 9 months or like since 1967 or, or 1948. but i can pick whatever year you want. but the united states is going to fight for israel, went through a in a, in lebanon. and i think the united states is going to be very surprised. said other way, you better keep your aircraft carriers as far away as possible because they're going to be targets your thoughts on this because i think we're all resigned that is it
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one way or another? there's going to be a conflict in the north. go ahead. do you agree or disagree with has well you have to give them the credit that when they say we're going to do something, they do this. and they said we're going to completely destroy the air based as of israel. and also the ports, which means the is right, is now have to use this uh, the airports in cyprus, and the it has the secretary general offer as well as it is, is what i use as the airports of cyprus. then they will be closer to electric, them at target to enter a profit to you, they are able to ship this target. therefore, of israel at the moment, they haven't only failed to. i think the key is that palestinians, they lost the turn in space. that'd be their enemies. they also lost the, the equation of that is where it is a safe haven for the jewish people. therefore, they have to expand this war or extra defeat. because if they expand the war and the americans intervene, they could hope for the better outcome of this conflict. but alon themselves,
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they were unable to decisively finish the. they have an amazing people, didn't come us or cause, well, that's why their interest. this is how they see it is to invite american intervention and americans are going to fight for his right. and debates are going to fight for these, right? so this is a very dangerous escalation into each and nobody wants is what you right, you know, so not to want this or the syrians don't want this, or even here's what i told the americans. we don't want to expand this. what we want ceased by, i mean guys, and we will finish the operations. so impulses funding goes on. we end this policy that is against these, right? but these are, it is last, this part in, in the gaza strip because they have a strategic goal. was to push the policy has to sign up, and the addictions blocked the board as they didn't accept the policy. and so in a, in a decade, if, if this apartheid is called, has we collapse then what is going to be the fate of any democratic one state solution, the arrow. so it'd be the majority. and in any election they could get the prime prime minister sheep, right. so this is a dangerous situation afford. well,
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i mean that's, that's assuming that the, the west will well ever live up again to it's a principles of democracy because democracy in the west is crumbling as well. so maybe it and maybe it will be a better chance. also do you know the team, the, the, it's interesting what and where are guest and berlin said because it's very much like the ukrainians, the zalinski crowd. they were given a, a, they were given a good deal in 2020 me to, i think, 5 times the russian. so it was kind of, i propose negotiations. we have that also it last week. so, but the longer it goes on like for is really the longer than what comes with goes down the more dangerous it is free. israel, the longer it goes on for ukraine, more dangerous for ukraine as well. uh, as apparently it was even mailed is a wireless rein is uh, a basic bill for it then to use the cypress. uh, as an database i would just like very much like what we hear uh like the f sixteens
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that the west will give your brain. they may not even the b service that, that sealants in ukraine may be uh, in poland during the lenient then russia says they will get the judgment targets of the west to sit on a row. this is an attack against day to don't do is uh so it's a boy, i suppose people proceed. but basically, i think that the of these for the prostate is very important. russia condemned the on the back of the, from us on the 7th to look to but with chris blah, it's a different story. what's comfortable at the defense level and to be well, objective west of the get the right that's testable. i did not that that the trail has why he's responding to us directions by israel. and what is the alternative, if i mean, when the israel says something by the state, say the say, well, why don't the or i don't that are just surrender. well, if you must know the situation that you can reach
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a reference and you've been storing a lot of it and uh, in, in the, the part of your brain which is still controlled by zaleski, even liberal russians. and they've been to the russians leave with their say, this is a pop russian as needed. and it's the one you leave separately from the stones of the west rides. the ball with it is use papers and supports, i mean, read what the right the ball display your email. we have written, we have run out of time, but i'm glad we ended on that. do you know the west that supports apartheid? many apartheid around the world. apparently, that's all the time we have gentlemen, i want to thank my guests in berlin and in moscow. and of course, so when i think our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time. remember across the apples, the, the other way not. right?
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