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and the great news of the thought is going to fail by the high cold in london, all that he was in custody. the case of 5 years eventually, plans to return to his homeland. most of the old advisor who was it is confirmed that he has reached a clean deal with the us. police needs to be, quote, potentially finalize the tentative agreement made public and the court finding the past and his legal parcels to the us with us on depends on the how was the numerous classified documents integrated the u. s. and crime the wrong and guidance on those of american diplomatic and cables in fighting expeditions in the us
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for more time and decades, including 7 years. and so anyways, i'll include the, an embassy in london, the live most this is all to you. my name's was a lot of in 30 minutes for news. i have these stock now. so right now you're not saying to us not doing it. i saw the founder of the media organization were, giddings has left the u. k. all the latency legal vasily is agreed to plead guilty to a single criminal charge and resolve of being released from prison according to what he needs us on the left, bel mazda maximum security prison in the u. k. on monday, off the spending 1901 days behind above now, then boarded an apple that flew out of stamps to the apple as long to search into the census on wednesday at 9 am to 5 and a us court judge must accept the settlement,
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but he will most likely own credit for the 5. he is, he is already so i will not face any more prison time is was the case document. it says this from at least 2009 and continuing through at least 2011 and an offense big gun and committed outside of the jurisdiction of any particular state or district of the united states. the defendant, julie and paula sounds, who will be 1st brought to the district of the northern marianna orleans knowingly unlawfully conspired with chelsea money to commit the following offences against the united states. i to receive and obtain documents, writings notes connected with a national defense, including such materials classified up to the secret level for the purpose of obtaining information, respecting the national defense, 7 in furtherance of the conspiracy, and to accomplish its objects assigned to
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a man and committed lawful and unlawful acts were getting signed. the assad is coming on board a plate on his way to ben called, but it was expected to lansing from the app. it will let him fly into the northern mariana islands the us territory in the pacific ocean that he was excited to do see in the us quote, to a single criminal count of conspiring to obtain and disclose classified documents. then he going to be released to return to his homeland. i'll stay live as all taken care of for him. caleb moulton, state. so i can tell us, was these legal bustles reaching the end when moving into us as well? this is a situation where the story of julian hassan and his ongoing saga continues. first . he was walled up in the ecuadorian embassy in britain. then he was released. he did a prison sentence in britain for going into the ecuadorian embassy. and then after
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that he was held, pending, possible extradition. now we understand he's on his way home to australia. now he's the founder of wiki leaks, which linked information that was provided to it. people provided classified information to where he leaves wiki leaks made it public. and he was, a publisher, knew himself was not a government official, and his many are pointing out. he was not a citizen of the united states. he was an australian citizen. he remains an australian citizen. and as a lawmaker in australia recently pointed out, this is the united states, basically declaring that us law applies in every corner of the world. and it, anyone who is deemed to be in violation of american laws can be arrested by the american government. the usa has global jurisdiction. here's what an australian lawmaker pointed out about the outrages nature of the charges that julia sanchez now agreed to plead guilty to. and this was on strategy and citizen. he was not us
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in the united states. he was not in the united states when this felony is what they say was, was credit. he did not steal the information. if the dissemination of this information is a crime, then every person where i now stand in the palm of the strategies of the site is on the way to the united states of america because you opened it. and you know, that tried some method, confusions. i didn't want to, i don't want a place in australia way of life and the crowd them up to read. if i fi in the chinese communist party, i'm of to badging i or the strange citizen who has friends alone in the united states as of the north side, unless he's in the united states. when he, when he commits that. and that's cuz that's a, that's a completely different issue. but from what i read, and of course we're all very new to this is it's do a plea deal on a felony. now this situation where we have julia sondra green to plead guilty to one county in violation of the us espionage act law. this situation does appear to have julian assigned on his way home. first, there will have to be a proceeding in
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a us court, and from there you'll be able to return to australia. but many are saying that even though this is ending with a plea deal or not, a court ruling solidifying the prosecution and the outlying of publishing classified information. as it's being argued, it still sets a legal precedent. the fact that they were able to have him held pending expedition and he will still be pleading guilty under this charge under the espionage act. this is what robert kennedy, the nephew of us president, john f kennedy and the current independent presidential candidate, robert kennedy. this is what he had to say about today's events. the bad news is that he had to plead guilty to conspiracy to obtain and disclose national defense info, which means the us security states succeeded in criminalizing journalism and extending the jurisdiction globally to norm citizens. julian had to take this, he has heart problems and he would have died in prison. but the security state has
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imposed a horrifying precedent and built a big blow to freedom of the press. now, many people look at the prosecution of julius on it, say that western leaders simply aren't true to their ideals of protecting journalists and allowing the free flow of information. julian decides was not a government official or even a us citizen. he was provided information about the mouth seasons of the american government around the world and it all, he revealed the crimes being committed against the peoples of afghanistan and iraq at the hands of us troops. he had all kinds of diplomatic tables, reviewing criminal activities by the united states government around the world that were revealed. in addition to that, he also revealed that the democratic primary was essentially being rigged by the democratic national committee to prevent bernie sanders from becoming the candidate . he showed the information that was given to him by others about the criminal activities of what really goes on in the united states. and for that us officials
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did not thank him for the or that his contribution to open free discourse in the open society. instead, they walled him up in the equity or an embassy. they had him locked up, they had him held for years, bending extradition. looks like now he's had to agree to become a felon just to be able to go home and they reached the deal with him. so we hear us officials lecturing the world about human rights and freedom. many are looking at julia sanchez and what led up to this point and saying this shows that the us government apparatus has no cloths about retaliating, repressing and essentially torturing those who would expose their crimes and call them out around the world. so the case really highlights a lot of hip hop receive from the leaders of the united states even after today's resolution. it seems that the case is very interesting indeed. uh let's see how things pan out to see that. is it a, a sato eventually have all the console candidate move in. thanks a lot of updates,
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a spider, so it's not allowed to talk. so let's see, moles, let's say, who is that? so coming to you, thanks for joining us. really interesting times when you heard that is it an s on finally release from maximum security prison in the u. k. must have been a good uh, c name. but what are your thoughts the, i'm sorry to hear that the bite and justice department is picking up where brock obama left off in 2017. when he commuted the settings of demand, julian massage worked with to get the documents from the defense department that he found the publishing. of course we're talking about bradley manning at the time, who was in the us army and defense specialist and, and then he became chelsea manning while he was in prison and now he's a sheet. but he, he was settings, he was court martialed and sentenced to 35 years in prison. and brock obama let him
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out after 7 years. and by the way, the next year, the us military court of appeals upheld that conviction. i goes, man and try to get it over turned after he was out of prison. this is not about journalism. this is not about journalism at all. if, if chelsea manning had called up and said, hey julian hassan is i got these things here and then gave it to him and he published them. that's one thing. but the trump justice department of charge show you massage with 18 counts back in 2019, including soliciting this information and assisting chelsea manning and then breaking into computers to get the information. that's hardly journalism. that's partly what your typical journal is does to get a story. so those who say it's about journalism, i don't know what they're talking about according to the charges that the trump
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administration, the trump d o. j filed against julian massage. all right, so i assume we know the, the, what about the timing about this, the now we're getting, so we notate a massive roll in the 2016 presidential election by exposing hillary clinton's use of a puzzle email address. if you may remember, for government, well, he is a to the beginning, 5 is once again making headlines during the election year. when donald trump is in the running. what do you make of the timing and the week of the debate? it's a great, great way to kick off the week. we're no later on on thursday, we're going to have the 1st presidential debate between buying and trump. i don't know. i mean i, i can figure out the timing myself to be honest with you. is there something that, that, that the, by the ministration, the democrats are afraid of because of what, what, what you have just mentioned. i don't know, i have no way of knowing that. so the timing is a little bit of
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a mystery to me as well. but i, i just, i just want people to understand that, um, you know, the names what, what was released to you, or what was gotten from the computers where, where the names of a rockies, enough people in afghanistan who were working with the us military to expose them it exposed sources and content and, and, and confidence that of the us military in the us government and put people's lives at risk and in jeopardy. and again, if, if that's what he chose to publish and do that. if, if chelsea manning it said, hey, go for it, i got for you. but that's according to the justice department of trump. that's not the way it went down. it was a collaboration between the 2. according to the chargers and, you know, so maybe it's not a surprise that he's pleading guilty to one of those charges. or i see 5 is installed so you can buy when to buy 3. anyone with k wouldn't lead as
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well. uh, i guess, and he's getting it as, as uh, my friend caleb announced does, and talked about reportedly there's a heart condition involved with different things. so i'm not blaming him for pleading guilty. i'm not blaming him for, for, you know, for, for taking the get out of jail free card in effect. i mean, he's not coming to the united states after he pleads guilty. he's gonna leave that court room with us jurisdiction and then go back for before did lead to australia and they could have of as far as i'm concerned of, but uh yeah, sure. i mean, he's given this opportunity and i think you'd be foolish not to take it so i don't blame him for taking it one bit. knowing this, i mean dislike is a public. oh, okay. well, what i would offset is, what do you think was the motivation to get him? i didn't think the public outcry. is that what go ahead? my way to say was the pressure too much for any administration. and
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finally bring this to an end. maybe. so you, i'll take a little, you know, mean i saw this kind of pay no attention. seeker is one of the roads. i mean, main. see me to read to the back on what many cold as you saw as a, a strong the journalist responsibility to let the public to know what's really going on. what are your thoughts? i got it. yeah, i got to tell you in, sorry to interrupt in, in, in the united states. if you ask people who join us on just, they would know they don't care. it's not an issue. it's not controversial. now the elite snow, you know, the people who follow the news, like, like i follow the news and you follow the news. they of course they know, but people don't care. it's not on their list at all. and again, if you put the name out there, i've been a majority of americans would say, who's now internationally and in some countries more than others. obviously,
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this has been a huge issue, a tremendous issue, a big issue and with the, you know, his but his appearance in the annual and london courts uh, the few months ago and, uh, the whole story and self imposed. uh, you know, uh f, a prism and if you will, and the embassy. i mean it's, it's, it's, it's quite a story. but in the united states, no, again, i go back. i believe i've always believed that a rock obama for what you know, he has a lot of in fluids in this administrator and he has a lot of people in place that work for him working for. but and like i mentioned, why would brock obama have gone out of his way to commute the sentence of chelsea? manning when are you still at the 35 my way of 28 years left of a sentence. now he says, hey, i'd like to get julian assigned you out of there before, maybe biden has to leave office, and donald trump takes over again. so i don't know the motivation behind that on the part of obama and use people either,
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but it would be consistent with what obama did to chelsea, man. all right, so let me get you. you'll take the one other thing here before i let you go, what do you, what do you think about this us, the global jurisdiction as well? if anybody does one thing wrong. and so united states that they don't believe and no matter where you are on the planet, the united states can come and get you. well i, i think it takes the cooperation of some other governments. so allies is not right . and the, i mean is that a lot of yeah, i mean, you case it is, if i say something but vital doesn't like he can come over here and, and take me away. no, i would doubt that very much because you're from 1st of all, you're not in a, you know, a country considered at this time, especially in ally of the united states. number one, your government would be permitted. number 2 though, number 2, if you violated the espionage that it would be
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a different category still i think you'd be, they'd be unable to come get you. that could request, but i don't think that the government, the government would actually yes, but it's not saying something that you disagree with. it's with us disagrees with or they don't like. it was according to the charges. again, you know, info trading that the computer system of the defense department using someone in the currently in the defense department, working with him and collaboration with him and then printing the information, putting american lives at risk. that's a big difference then just saying, oh, you know, i, i hate bite and or i don't like the us or whatever. so i think it's amazing your save those allegations that he never was. it's while without knowing it was solely proof. it says one, well here's why. there is another here. you know, no, absolutely. i agree. you never went through. i wish you did the trial. i wish you were. i wish you would say i'm coming to the us and i'm going to stand trial instead of taking this deal, i'd love to see how it pans out. but the us want that you can't blame them for
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going after him and their den of allies act. well yes, then they acquiesce. right. pleasure. so as always, steve, all the so chose to one of my favorite guess. love totally do. thanks. i appreciate it. thanks again. thank you sir. thank you. bye and independent dentist. rick should met her as high as opposing take and bought, improved to us in support of julian assault. he named loose evenings, found those suddenly freedom to us. but jo biden's struggling re election campaign as, as a, or i'm very happy for him because of the media and england. they didn't help at all . you know, when i was in court, the mainstream media, they wouldn't show up or they would come on the last day and they would report, inaccurately, they wouldn't even talk about what actually happened inside the court. there was a lot of support from the people. we had a lot of politicians coming in from, from england, from around europe. they have lots of parliamentary groups around the world,
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including in australia. and it's because of people coming to the court and protesting that julie is free and, and he's was the most famous political prisoner in the world. so i'm very, very happy that he's finally free. he deserves to be with his family. so the buttons, ministration. i don't think they wanted to free him because if they wanted to, they have 4 years to do it. i think that they're losing a lot of support any not today's, especially with young voters who elected by didn't the 1st time around. and they're losing a lot of support because of the, the genocide to something cause or so to make up for that loss and supports the by the end administration. i'm trying to, we know some people by letting the songs go free and then saying, oh look we, we were not prosecuting him anymore. i think it's important for people to remember that this was a bipartisan effort. that's the trump administration. with mindful pay, it was thought to this, and it's joe biden who continued this actually longer than they did the prison that he was in, in belmont. um, you know, yeah. when you stand outside belmont,
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it's like your looking at the black gate toward, or it's like really bleak, and it's a prison that is resolved usually for people who are, you know, like serial killers or terrorist or something like that. it didn't, you really have to do something very, very, very bad to be sent there. and, and julian songs did not commit a violent crime. he didn't commit any crime. and when they sent him that it just shows that what they're doing is very political. because it's like to send a message, you know, it's to show other journalists that if you publish evidence of us war crimes and you show what america is doing and have gotten a son in iraq, we will also send you to guantanamo bay, or we will send you to uh, belmont, because bro bellmarks has actually called the british guantanamo baseball. i think they've damaged their reputation permanently because this is, you know, it's in the record now forever. it's in the court records and it's on the figurative record as well. so, you know, we can, we've always going to look back at this, this, this extradition case like we look at, for example, um socrates or for example,
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the dreyfus affair. so you know, this is a historic case that happened. you know, he, julian hassan, suffered, but it's also the reputation of the united states that will suffer even more. um, you know, i should point out that about the 1st amendment. this is a very, very important point in the case. because the assurance is that the united states provided, so were rejected by the court in england. so even, even the british court said, you know, this is not good and put enough for us. and one of the points is exactly because of the 1st amendment, because the americans was saying, if doing this launch comes to the united states, we will not, you know, allow him to say that he has 1st amendment rights, which is very, it's contradiction because they want to take the united states law and talk to him with it. but then when he tries to defend himself under the united states little by saying that he has pressed the member to rights. they said no,
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it's not allowed quite as well. so i've now to minus guess to, and this entire, to all of a sudden the counter i do my studies on us from sydney, australia. so thank you for taking the time and joining us. well, we know if it is a song is almost free will if he needs to appear in court in a subsidy, i'm a little thoughts on you heard the news. it was a tremendous relief and i'm sure they'll be great celebrations in australia. when he arrives he into his friends and family whose campaign for so long for him. it is of course, a compromise deal with the bottom and instruction trying to save face and trying to as your previous guest resigned, trying to rehabilitate the reputation somewhat in an election campaign, but in the circumstance. so i think it's a, it's a good outcome. it might be a bad price, isn't in the sense that it's in a sense, gives a robust sent to the, the, the repression of journalism and publications that the us has done against julian.
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but more or less giving some, you know, the best died of justification to the, the several years that he's already spent in prison to be taught to be considered his time. so when he puts in his play in one of the us territories in the western pacific on his way back to australia. but i think uh, there's a great sense of relate to lots of people. certainly he has been support invoice time. know for sure. right. and 5 is in a 2 by 3 box. couldn't of helped his decision until aubrey for the decision a lot. but what does it say about journalism? i mean, if you talk to them about that is it doesn't sort of set a precedent. but uh, are we looking, is this a bit tricky for, for journalism or defeats a journalism? how do you see it? or it's not a degree for journalism. it's a victory for the campaign to release julian. but really the bought in ministration as was said by a previous guest. it's a continuation of the trumped up charges. the trumpet administration put up a bite and is really an outside, as i think can see that there's
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a huge amount of continuity between the body ministration. and trump administration, which is perhaps not so clear in the election and can buy in the us itself. but there's been a great continuity there as well as other things. and i think really the type of help, the, the idea that i are entitled to go and use trumped up charges even s b as charges climbing some sort of, uh, fantastic conspiracy. as opposed to simply, um, information being leaked from the us military and being published basically. so anyone who publishes information which is embarrassing to the us military, which is committing crimes across the world as we speak. and of course not placed in gaza with the the, the co come on being all said operation and guys are of the moment those terrible mask is there anyone who publishes, that's information which is embarrassing because of us is now likely to be in the guns of the us, i'm just the system here. why don't you concert the journalism so?
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so to me, i mean, i saw it as a lot. i know in essence he is an australian citizen. uh it should. it should have done more the thing to, to help him to definitely by should have done more. i thought of things i had the power to do more because i've been really playing a little kid, brought it to the us for so many decades in britain before that. so there's not the success of the strand. governments have not got a good record of standing up to the us for example, but i could have done more. they want the individual problem ontarian to got involved in the campaign. i think that was important in raising the pressure that was across potty thing about the governments in australia being very weak that aren't setup to the us on, on, on how the anything that solves by considerable security significance. yeah. so interesting in your opinion. so what, what does it will the us, when for the deal the deal, i think it's really because the budget ministration in motion year is trying to
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repair it's. it's kind of reputation with all the crimes that they've been associating with. and course, the very worst treatment, all the journalists, you know, the very was what crimes. and yet they, they want to have a platform where like preached to others about democracy and human rights. really, they have the worst police state on this. and i think they're trying to get rid of some of that baggage and the lead up to the selection for the buttons trying to polish up. don't put some lipstick on, on them, on a very likely reputation that he has going into the selection. so it was interesting and it's all about policing, whereas the united states seems to feel that they can police the world. what do you make of us that you know, that sort of way and, and then getting their thoughts of jurisdiction around the world doing that. and that should be, let me see the other country to stand up to the small definitely, i mean uh they the ones that do sign up to the us are attached to put on the siege and so called sanctions that there are, there are invasions proxy was launched against them,
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that's the price of being an independent state these days and they'll call them dictatorships. whereas, of course, the us is the one that's imposing this place in the present state from, from within its own borders. let's remember the us in prison design decisions that are 5 right of the right than any other country on us. but they're extending that to all the countries because of course, as part of their computer, 80 ology, they believe they have permission to dominate the world. you know, in the middle east, for example, i have something called sand calm, which means that the hall of west denija and parts of north africa are really considered to be under the jurisdiction of the us. moultrie is the way the us exception was think these days. that's why we have so many problems. so many harvard was somebody proxy was so many stages in the world today is this mentality that they can apply the police like to the rest of the world. going for the last question, so i do appreciate your time really. but uh, do you think uh the us wants to quit my life, dental ism i think they have. i think that really would they will now in a sense,
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post about what they've been able to extract site a guilty play out of julian for a minor charge, which means he doesn't serve any more trial time. they'll use this compromise to try and say that the they're the trumped up charges, the trump administration impressed with, with justified even if the, the most of the charges were dropped. and he agreed to play to the last one. i think they'll, they'll use it as evidence that the prosecution has been justified. and that's the, the side side of this. of course, the good side is that the campaigns prevail. julie is free and the, the work officer would you like send julian this thing been to kind of think that's very important too. and data. so he's focused on quality, so i with his family would i have to leave with that to my address and direct to all the sons of account to had demonic studies. thanks a lot for joining us today on, on the international as well, that route. so this is out, we'll be back in about 30 minutes. you should see that in the meantime, check out all to dot com also wait. so is i will see you soon.
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the aquatic scene in the streets, one of the 1st parades as a pride, a month begins with this clash between pro palestinian protesters and l g. b to q. add to this is just one of the battles between the eligibility to community and the rest of society. with some wondering if all of this pattern done by businesses and politicians starting to backfire, what level of pride still exist in pride month and it's still justified in the world today? i'm sky now here's in this is perspective. the
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in 1969 following a raid by the city of new york police department on the known gay bar called the stone wall in riots ensued for 5 days between police and protesters. not the time, the new york liquor authority refused to give liquor licenses to those bars known for serving the gay community. this single event was seen as the turning point for the fight for rights for members of the lesbian, gay and transgender community, homosexual acts remained a legal in every state except illinois at that time, and the bars and restaurants could get shut down for having gay employees or serving de patrons at 55 years later to commemorate that only the events at the stonewall end. but the legal and social gains by the l g b t q. community. the entire month of june is recognized as pride month. now in america, the eligibility cube community are the most advanced and the work.

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