seen 69 following a raid by the city of new york police department on the known gay bar called the stone wall in riots ensued for 5 days between police and protesters. now, at the time, the new york liquor authority refused to give liquor licenses to those bars known for serving the gay community. this single event was seen as the turning point for the fight for rights for members of the lesbian, gay and transgender community, homosexual acts were made illegal in every state except illinois at that time, and the bars and restaurants could get shut down for having gay employees or serving day patrons 55 years later to commemorate that only the events at the stonewall in. but the legal and social gains by the l g. b t q. community. the entire month of june is recognized as pride month. now in america, the eligibility keep community are the most advanced in the world. americans who are members of the eligibility community from the legal perspective are said to be

protected from discrimination, employment, housing, and access to public accommodations. and in 2015, same sex marriage was made legal in every state. it, while in the eyes of the law, equality seems to exist for the lesbian, gay community. the new 5 by the movement involving the members of the transgender community log banding, a gender affirmation, care for trends that are minors are on the books and 25 states. the states are taking steps to keep transit or athletes only competing into sports or the use of bathroom facilities and the gender they were born with. this battle has continued to escalate. however, it is also splitting the eligibility to community of what are the most known members of the transgender community who happens to be an elliptic athlete, is caitlin jenner, who believes treasure athletes should not be able to compete in women sports. it's amazing how much black i get and all i'm trying to do is protect women. there are

massive advantages and undeniable differences from male development, basically going through male puberty. so there's a lot we need to discuss and how much pride does america really have in the eligibility to community? and is it starting to divide americans more than you not? so it's bringing our guests for the perspective. charles moran, the national president of the log cabin republicans and dr. steve truly scholar author and host of truly talks dot com. and alice wrote, who is the executive director of the alley for nice center? thank you so much for joining the gentleman on the beginning of pride month and the conversation that needs to be had not only in america, but around the world today. i actually want to start with you on this one. let's go with alex. what is it like to be a gay man in america today? it's disheartening. it's disheartening to be a citizen of a country that chooses to restrict your rights attack your existence because

of how you were born. and it's disheartening to live in a society that furthermore believe it's ok to reject children because of their eligibility to identity and to see thousands of homeless eligibility to use our streets because of family rejection. we've come a long way in our fight and we've taken really awful steps back that are really hurting our community. and were you speak to our curry? are you talking about the less engage media or the transitioned or do you see them all being the same? to all being said, we are the eligibility q plus community. hey, i want to bring in charles to this one. you know, a few things from interpret. charles, i have to ask you, he mentioned, we've taken a few steps fords. how do you think this is different from what members of the game we didn't lose when you're, you're young, so you might not exist to back the 1970s. 19. 67 is when this was really started to come to fruition. what is it different today than what maybe those and 50 years ago experience within the gay community was really the b c rights movement in this

country has moved faster than any other civil rights movement in history. and today in america, this is actually the best place in the world to be a member of the community. but it's also known that as we have continued to secure these rights and freedoms for exam and all the things you listed off, like prompt accommodations, housing, job, and discrimination, the abilities are in the military and ultimately the right to marry the, you know, there are certain elements of people in the community you want to continue to portion are looking for the next file, frontier, things to fight on. and that's when you see realtor virgins in the community about you know, how, how we achieved everything we needed to, to form a more perfect union. and i would argue that the elements of our community has been high job, you know, pushing radical gender theories and some other things that are, that are, that are really social contagion mass for reading as a quality fight,

which they are not. well, that's what i want to bring in quality. i want to bring and actually dr. charlie on this steve, charlie, you know what role has politic play? do you think with, in this movement within the gate right, can leave it as well as the acceptance of those who are not it's a very good question. i, i appreciate so much being on with uh, alex and, and charles eyes. so value their perspective here. um yeah, i think i think i'm citing a little bit more with charles on this because i think the issue of liberty is the one that we all want and that we're all championing. but there was also the specter of repression that's behind both narratives. and i, i narrative for, for emancipation, for the eligibility to community, or are they actually the perpetuates of repression and you know, i loved your,

your opening the, that you had there was stonewall. yeah. i mean, pride month was originally associated with the triumph of liberty and equality. and there is an increasing sense among a growing number of people for right or for wrong. but that's just not the case anymore. i'm thinking a very good article by philip klein to analyze the distinction between y gate rights was so successful, but transgender isn't as hitting, banging against the wall. and i think, i think charles alluded to it, there. klein argues that the reasons why gave rights for so successful, successful in america is because they promoted the notion of liberty for right of wrong regardless of your perspective on it. that was a successful libertarian dynamic in the movement. however, when it comes to what's commonly referred to as well this or what's technically known as cultural socialism, there's an increasing sense that the demands being made are actually about decreasing liberty,

such as denouncing descent and silencing critics and destroying women, sports and demanding compliance, and stigmatizing half the population as races and all kinds of folks and the like. and that comes from the nature of identity politics itself, where the identity is seen as all encompassing an absolute moved. and so now there's no way that i can have an affinity with a group with out at the same time embracing their politics. so descent in that sense is no longer tolerate. and i think that's the key difference. one movement celebrated liberty, while for many others, the new movement is the celebrating repression. alex, how do you see it in the role politics plays with in the move in both in the past, but in the future, you know that the pallets and the impact deposited in our movement have really been dependent on the views of our political leaders at the time and what we're seeing

today is conservative anti eligibility, q views that are really hurting our community. but there's so many stats on how these political attacks over 543 anti eligibility q bills introducing our country last year, 519 anti eligibility to bills introduced this year. and it's only june, 4th is really damaging and, and it really calls into question, you know, how we're deciding on elected officials and the decisions and control they get to have on our community. um, you know, this is a question of how you're born. there's a, there's that this is a creation of, of a person and should be respected and honored lovely, regardless of rights or politics that we want to, you know, try to argue for or against. okay, is a charles, interesting because you actually represent your national presence of the log cabin republicans, a conservative organization made with members of the city. i don't know if any people are aware that there is a large group of the homosexual community to our republican. i want you 1st start,

tell us a little bit about the organization and are you embrace by your fellow republicans? and are you still embrace by all gaze? just because you are identified as conservative as other demographics have said, they've been ostracized, that they did not go along with the traditional ideology. all right, well, and thanks for asking the question and without having to get too much of a history lesson about our organization, we were founded about as of then gunner ronald reagan in california in the highly of the fight around the reason initiative, which would have criminalized open all the specials from where we're headed over on the sections from teaching and public schools around regular clothes that um, it was the 1st of our box victory by the, by the eligibility community and how to do large part because of republican ronald right here. last 4 to today, when we've got people like donald trump, who is the 1st president ever elected the public office. we supported the american l. g, b, t, inclusion. so it's not shocked to see that actually on the 3rd, the eligibility community actually voted for donald trump. in 2020 election,

which was a dumb way from the previous election. and we still see that a large amount of there's a lot of political diversity in the algae bt community. even though the left, we'd like you to think that box as a model. and as we're looking at the law can find the margins are one of the things that i told people is we believe in traditional family values. but that includes our families to and you can uh, you know, there, there is so much more acceptance. you have the conservative and if you look at things like the most recent past, the a legislation, the compromise game marriage, beverly that would not have happened without the critical those from republicans in the senate. it happened with a large number of republicans in the house of representatives. so the republican party and sort of the movement, there's an understanding that you know, a quality and freedom and liberty are things that we have people access to insured as, as members of the eligibility community by god. what we're seeing is this robert, this rapid push towards racquel,

general theory and some trans extremism. as much as the level like you to think that this involves the entire ultra between community. it is not, and i'm not separating out. let's see. i include the eligibility, the t's in the, in the entire phrase and there one of our community. but again, this is about, you know, create some guard groups around these issues, to your point, preserving women, sports and title mind protecting women spaces, parental consent, which is something that a vast majority of americans believe that which is not in your file to be and no coverage under transition under the age of 18. if you can't get a tattoo, you can engage in some of these white altering procedures. this is not, i don't consider remark, i don't consider it such as i consider it common sense. as for a, vast majority of americans are in extreme us on the left, water redefine society. and our work image are trying to make people think that these are unreasonable, gar, else around our participation in society,

and they are not re, well, i want to continue this conversation, get your response to that alex, when we come back, because we do have a break yeah, june is considered pride month, however, did some stores take it too far and us deserve these boycotts and back flashes that are received in the past? we're going continue this discussion of more after the break, the the known in vietnam, american war, the vietnam war lost it for almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any times we have now. and then you can just say now, why did all i'm empty?

hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to back the south vietnam. these ami, and i'm sorry about that. not, but the american soldiers murdered, resist as most of the slaves burned down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. lee, by all right, did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yes, yes. that's the way to the welcome back to perspective. i'm your host guy now. he's going to bring back in our

panel, charles moran, the national president of the log cabin republicans. dr. steve charlie scholar an author and host of truly talks dot com and alex row, who is the executive director of the alley for the center. thank you so much for the conversation before the break, steve. kind of are we had charles kind of broke down where the walk have a republican stand. i actually want to go to you on this one, alex, because the month of june was 1st expedited in 1999 by president bill quinn as gay and lesbian pride. month. 2009, president obama declared at lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender months. or is it right too broad? a brush group, all of these together as the majority to the changes that kind of identify his work and polarize really has to do is only one letter of that alphabet. you know, i'm sorry, i need to respond to the control side. a charles made comments about the, the rights and protections of young people under the age of 18. if you can get it out to you, you can get it under front care. and like, i think it's really important look at the science,

where is the science as it relates to the care of young people who are born in a body that doesn't agree with their identity. and, and that is incredibly important, like limiting young people and making these decisions, political decisions and restricting families from being able to decide for their children. what they want is very, very damaging. and there's a lot of data. the american pediatric society, the american at the back and medical association, the mattress like you have to association there's, there's so much data on how gender from incurs 5 savings for a young person. so i just want to respond to that. charles, i think it's really important to back up political desires or political wishes or political opinions, which were the sciences. like, what do we know and if you had, and if our country had done this in the fifty's and sixty's when they were bad and gave people home dancing together as far as i present being married. and you went back to the sides, you understand that there's nothing wrong with the people. and it took us forever to get the designation of, of, of, of, of eligibility to or homosexuality as a psychiatric condition. so there's science that supports us and so i just needed to respond to that. and i'm sorry, scottie. and can you repeat your question?

i'm sorry that did. did you gave you your questions, which are the do you want to group all of them together and then me as part of the science and this is the thing you were talking about, the science. you know, the science to show that over the transgender children who decided early are more than likely to commit suicide than those that are not, we're fine. those are high levels. we can't let our kids, i can't let my daughter get in years pierce without having me there to sign for it can do any alterations to her body without me is her parents are there to help her side. why should ginger transformation be any different? and why is their brains even developed enough to know what they decided mean? they're still wearing tennis shoes to church and a formal event. that's how it developed her brains are at 16. and eventually we're talking about a young when you talking about the science behind it. i, i don't agree with, i don't know what data point you're pointing at that young people are gender from the care of higher rates of suicide. that's not what the number of leading american associations have indicated in the number of studies thing back to 2017 and for

some young people or for a majority of young people. in fact, the reason why we run this organizations for majority of young people, they are not a friend or cared for by their families. in fact, and 90 percent of the kids that we see are on house because of family rejection, because of homophobia and transfer by their parents. so how do we deny them here? when this is the one single thing that can help them from their identity, can save them. and we know that the data shows that it's actually, they actually do better emotionally, mentally. and in so many other settings. well, it's actually the nationalized serve. hell, 32 to 52 percent higher rate of suicide for those within that category, but i digress. we can have that debate later. i do want to ask, i want to bring a tractor trailer on this one because if this goal was to fight for quality, then just designating, do you think an entire month for a demographic society, we're not every group gets the same designation. also create some automation for others. well that's, that's the concern. that's where you get into the cultural socialism as it were.

what's technically known as wellness. and again, we're just getting some scholarship on this era. kaufman of the university of london is doing a lot of work on that. um, the basic framework for cultural socialism is 2 fold. so 1st cultural scientists believe that historically marginalized groups, marginalized, because of their race, their gender, their sexuality, have to have equal outcomes in order for our society to be considered just and equitable. so whether that money, power, affluence, career, marriage, whatever that equity needs to be the overall concern for jobs society. and then secondly, and what's key here for your question is the belief that those who have been marginalized and oppressed historically, i've been excluded not so much by class or by economics as the marxism of old would argue, but rather by cultural norms and narratives and symbols so the words we use,

the way we teach history and art schools, the way we named buildings the way we organize the calendar and how the holidays we celebrate, right? these are all sort of means by which we intentionally or unintentionally discriminate against and disenfranchised these groups. and so just just requires that we read the fine things like the calendar and how we teach history and sexual relationships and in our schools in order to include these otherwise disenfranchised groups. again, the concern with that, that's basically the structure of, of what's behind it. the, the concern here is that cultural socialism are well. this is, it's more commonly known. it's science to fox, it makes state grid, these historically marginalized groups, these racial gender and sexual identity groups, which in turn formed a new kind of task system in which scholars like joel clock in of chapman university, refers to his meal, feudalism, where there's,

where these sanctified groups are given special rights and privileges that no other group has. and those other, those other groups are the historically pressing groups, namely white heterosexual man. and they're subject to incessant stigmatization throughout our higher culture because they're constantly cues be racist patriarchal sexes than the like. so today disparaging and rogatories things can openly be said about white christian men, for example, that could never possibly be said openly about any other identity group. jewish students are finding this out the hard way on college campuses right now. and so in ags are bly, cultural socialism does not solve discrimination or oppression. it simply inverts it and replaces one exclusionary cast system for another. and it's thereby guilty of perpetuating the very injustice it purportedly resolves. well,

and that's what i want to talk about these various groups here. charles, i kind of asked you, how is the republican party embracing the gay and lesbian community within the party itself? i don't think many are aware that the largest group that actually rows in demographic in the 2020 election was the homosexual community voting. and the republican for, for donald trump is actually the only demographic that actually grew in 2020 for donald trump. but what is the rest of the r and c, those family, those family relations? how are they in bracing members like yourself that have the family value about family values as your core? i mean, the most important thing about this whole conversations. we just want to be treated the same as anybody else. i don't need a special quire. i don't need a special color or symbol on some flyer. i don't need a month. i don't even need a day. i need to equal opportunity to find 4 jobs. i need the equal opportunity to compete in the marketplace. i see equal opportunity. i don't need it equal outcome

. so we're talking about a quality, not equity. and this is something that, again, it was a, you know, we're so thankful for donald trump's leadership because again, coming from a place like new york which was certainly embracing and given his background philanthropic really and business wise as somebody who just is looking to hire the best person for a job or a task, the right person, for responsibility, that's all i'm looking for. and so appreciate it for all the, for the fights that are had to be waged in this country up to this point. we would not have achieved any of this without any of that sacrifice, but to say that the find them struggle today is equal or greater than what it was 51020 years ago is absolutely wrong. and this is where again, you know, when we're talking about whether or not you've got to have these special months, because we've got to call out gays and lesbians are across every swap of our community there in our religious spaces there in our business spaces there in our families, we're, we're special, but we're not that special and we're not down wearing. in fact,

that's why even with some of these prize rates, i mean, we need a whole lot just to schedule everything. but it's, it's not something that we need to function equally in society. we want the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities and everyone else. so we should be treated the same as everyone else, not with any other type of, uh, you know, special distinction like meeting a special flag with tons of different logos on it. we're even meeting an entire month to celebrate our history. our history is part of america's history, and we need to understand that both and the good side and the bad side. alex, your thoughts on that? so, you know, i think you're sticking to the point of a place of privilege. charles, i think that the community has largely represented you and you've never been on the outskirts of the community. and i think when you talk about the, the evolution of our flag and what it means, it's because it has historically disenfranchised members of the community. it has the sort of historically going spoken to whites this gender. man. when you talk about the civil rights movement, they get rights move in still more, right? it's like it was the white game and who were like, let go by the police and it was

a black, large, the brown and trans kids were arrested by the police. so you kind of always had a pass. and you don't know that bias. if you don't live in a skin that's not yours and i speak the same, conversely, i don't know what it's like to be a white man in america, especially today. so i, i think that it's important that our community evolves and that our community represent and, and have the, the visibility of all its members. and if there is a need to update our flag again because of another community that's been disenfranchised, i think it's really important that we do that. you know it, charles, to respond that, you know, speaking from privilege, i think that's a i usually don't like to actually have regard to each other on my show. but can you see that a vi that's happening within the gain, lesbian, community to community? and does that help or heard the situation moving forward and fighting for any quality that is left to remain to be fought for? i mean, intersectionality is the court center of, of control marxism. you know that the, you know, the injustices of wind are,

are something dish are shared by all. we use the service fundamentally reject intersectionality as a, as a tool for social order. so while i don't disagree with the thought process that was just presented because it makes sense without line, i just completely project to this issue of you know, privilege. and if you are a member of one community, you can understand the true challenges and hardships. so another we would have as a function network slide out of the racist massage in district past. if we had not been able to actually understand the challenges of people in another community, but to say that we're consistently limited by our race or gender. you know it, whether they say it's, it's, it's your pigment and you're planning on to be consistently upsized with this. your thought that there's quite insistent stream of inequality in society until all are defeated. none are defeated. that's just again,

more politic subdivision and angry. and he trained which is what we see from the left versus something that talks about our unity, ronald reagan. so as 80 percent, my friend is not 20 percent my enemy. and i'm not going to continue to wage warfare when there's so much the benefits. a high tide raises almost, i wanna buy it and i think that, you know, conserves in this country are looking to fight to create a better place for all families eligibility included for on businesses eligibility included. and again, it's 2024. we've really moved beyond a lot of this, but there are definitely, you know, as we're seeing it, some of the things that have come out from this legislation. there's some real challenges about, you know, how the bureaucracy is infusing cadence edition, amongst our uh, our social institutions. well, i hate to the show is over, cuz i would love to continue. discussion might be a good and you know the whole entire month. thank you so much to our panel. charles rand, doctor steve charlie scholar and alex wrote life is anything but fair,

but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to at least push for it. some partial laws discrimination can never be completely outlawed, but that doesn't mean that society shouldn't strive to level the playing field. that being said, there is a difference between fighting for rights to be equal and fighting to tip the scale in your favor causing discrimination to the other side. this isn't even bigger wrong, if done so not by changes in the law, rather by bullying and pressure by society to submit savvy. what is happening with the argument for equal rights for the gay community is being used, served by the extremist within the movement. these extreme is one to exist outside the rules of decency and modesty which are in the place for the majority of those in the heterosexual community. this is how the fight for equal rights goes for being a legal issue to being moral issue and pushed back against any change becomes an even greater raleigh cry. an eagle, idaho. a conservative bar is hosting a heterosexual pride month with a free beer and 15 percent offer straight couples in june. as expected,

this has received a lot of negative press, including the local paper. the idaho statesman who called the restaurant transfer over the owner, refused to back down and will continue this version of his pride. this far owner would not have been convicted to make such a move. the alphabet soup crowd had not tried to be so of noxious and pushed for their demographic to be rewarded over another. you say it's one thing to give a discount to someone who has achieved or accomplish a goal. service to one's country region senior status, attending a school, etc. all and good reason. however, i don't think give a reward or for that matter, any different treatment based on who you sleep with is a step in the right direction for either side to. this has been perspective on sky . now hughes, thank you for watching the the

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