[000:00:00;00] the, the breaking news is solid. yeah. as long as wanted failed by the high schools in london also. he was in custody of the u. k for 5 years. eventually plans to return his phone. i'm upgrading a laundry. the vision was he didn't use coupons or the he has rooms, deep clean deal with the us, which needs to be quote, this should be finalized the tentative agreement made public and cool, and finally appears to end his legal bibles for the us with us. sometimes the how will he leads publish numerous classified components implicates in the us in war crimes and it was kind of kind of song as it was

a true american diplomatic cables. he has been fighting expedition to the us for more. but in that case, including the 7 years and so and so that includes, the embassy loves the live, almost this is, i'll tell you, my mom is 13 minutes and use of the star now. so right. he is here on the international view and that song, the founder of the media organization will feelings has been released from a british prison. i'm just thrown out of the country off the latency, legal bustle now. so i've has agreed to plead guilty into a single criminal charge in the us to end his bustle against expedition, according to what he leaves us on the left of the case bell mos maximum security prison. on monday, off the spending 1901 days behind boss is embedded in

a positive flew out of stuffs to apple. s and is sent to appear before us quotes and the northern marian islands on wednesday. mary is expected to be credited for the 5 years. he has already served in prison and will not face any more jail time. let's take a look at location documents from at least 2009 and continuing through at least 2011 and an offense begun and committed outside of the jurisdiction of any particular state or district of the united states. the defendant, julia and paula sounds, who will be fast brought to the district of the northern marianna orleans knowingly and unlawfully conspired with chelsea money to commit the following offences against the united states to receive and obtain documents, writings notes connected with a national defense, including such materials classified up to the secret level for the purpose of obtaining information, respecting the national defense helix found the size is carly on board a plane,

on his way to bind cool berries, expensive to land, soon from the he will then fly into the northern mariana islands a u. s. territory in the pacific ocean. let's close the live now. well joining the national i think i'll close london in the c d o for more on this case dawn. wow. what a way to wake up this one of you and i am sure. but interestingly with what was going on, i mean, of this decision, do you think this decision was his decision, this thing he was pressurized or pressured into doing it? or? i mean 5 be is in a 2 by 3 blocks. essentially we're pretty good. and he wanted to say and do what, wherever they want them to say what's going on here. well, i mean, if we looked at what the united nation says about torture and solitary confinement, julie massage is literally tortured in prison. so i mean, his health has been deteriorating over the years as

a result of that. so it's not really a surprise why he would decide to plead guilty to this. i mean, especially when the united states is ready to let him walk after all these years. the bad news is that he had to plead guilty to conspiracy to obtain and disclose national defense info, which means the us security states succeeded in criminalizing journalism and extending the jurisdiction globally to norm citizens. julian had to take this. he has heart problems and he would have died in prison, but the security state has imposed a horrifying president and dealt a big blow to freedom of the press. so this is an interesting case, and it's got me thinking, you know, at the end of the day, isn't this on zillow strain in my is not from the united states, yet. the other ones, the shooting him. i mean, shouldn't they have expedited him to australia? what you would think, right? i mean, this is just another example of how pretty much washington feels that it can do

whatever it wants when it comes to international law. and uh, you know, what, the us talks about all the time, the so called rule of law. right? mean, he should, he should have been expedited to australia as he was, as he is an australian citizen, right? this case even isn't going through the united states mainland itself. it's taking place on the us territory and the western pacific called the american northern, marianne islands. and you know, if, if we were to look at a similar situation like this, and it didn't involve the united states, any other country in the world, it's very likely that this would have gone out very, very different way. this was a strolling citizen. he was notices in the united states, he was not in the united states when this felony is what they say was, let's credit, he did not steal the information. if the dissemination of this information is a crime, then every person where i now stand in the palm of the strategies of the site is on the way to the united states of america. because you will print as and you know

that craigs mess of confusions. i didn't want to, i don't want a place in australia where if i find the crown i'm up to read, if i've seen the chinese communist party, i'm off to badging. i or the strong citizen who has friends alone in the united states of the north side, unless he's in the united states, we need, when he commits that, and that's the case. that's a, that's a completely different issue. but from what i read, and of course we're all very new to this is to apply to the a lot of felony, a well done. well, there's a lot going on right now in the united states. interestingly, what do you make of the timing a little this? well, you know, a lot of people are saying this is, this is great, this is a miracle and whatnot. but really, it looks more like a conveniently timed political play, especially with just a couple of days until debates are going to take place between joe biden and donald trump. now with joe biden in power. i mean, he's going to look like some sort of merciful progressive in the minds of americans as they're preparing to watch these debates. but you know, it's important,

understand that this is not some sort of really active mercy. i mean, a science has been through the ringer, he's been through years of running from what many considered to be completely on a completely unlawful chase of him. and then of course, solitary confinement and a maximum security prison in london. i mean, it's no doubt clear that he has paid the price in terms of his health and his life. essentially. it's great, the julian assigns will finally be released in what smells like a desperate bite and gambit for libertarian votes. but it's shameful that he had to spend years writing and a for in prison for doing what other reporters do regularly and, and it's, you know, what also has to be set is that this all has to do with julian assign simply being a journalist, right? i mean, if we go back to where this all started,

i mean he received the information he received the materials from former us soldier . chelsea manning essentially that the, the expense to his so called crying was, i mean, these materials expose to us for crimes across the middle east. and washington decided that that was enough to say that he was a conspiracy. that he was a party to an espionage conspiracy. he, he then sought refuge in the ecuadorian embassy in london because obviously he didn't want to get arrested for simply carrying out journalist activities. he spent 7 years there until the government in ecuador changed hands and they handed over him and handed them over to the british authorities. and he spent another 5 years in a maximum security prison in, in the, in great britain. so that's right there. you know, 7 plus 5, that's 12 years and say, isn't it basically paying for just being a journalist, but finally, it looks like he's going to get out and hopefully he's not one to,

to mentally damaged by what's happened to him. yeah, it's interesting. i took the 12 years to actually bring or even tried to get him to cause it's is mind boggling really thought of that. i have of i leave it there. thank you so much for joining me here in the street. it was a pleasure. so thanks. i and the zone as those of julius hodges 2012 show the will of tomorrow has in full costs. and here on oxy, now they include interviews with visibility to have funding. so a former one, i don't know the president was, i'm the guy and former extra during president rafael. clear enough, he'll blow cost highlight some of those programs throughout the day and also find them on our website. uh cheap stuff. go by my next guest. joining me live now is political honest, i'm so make this sean started, he's doing he is from florida. so i'm good to see you. good sized or it seems like

happy news. most people are happy about what's going on. what are your thoughts when you heard that us about a saw in this case and that he's finally going to be released a very yeah, be very happy for him as a human being. watch a notice of fellow journalist as someone else who seeks truth. so we have to just celebrate this small victory after such suffering that he's been put through for all these years. i've been being confined in the the ecuadorian embassy room. i mean, in london, that was, i can't imagine, i can't imagine some, in some ways it seems worse in prison. i mean with prison. it's like you get your, your, uh, you know, your extra size and it's sunshine and things that he, it seems like it just can't imagine how he sustained it. and so yeah, we are ecstatic to see that he was finally in the sense to being freed and as our f k junior is pointed out and you know, it's sad that he's being forced to take

a plea, deal that essentially worries easy, easy to, couldn't easily basically say look, i'm, i'm guilty which again, he should not be guilty in this sense, but to take the deal. he has to plead guilty. so be it to get your freedom. i mean, well there that is point, we're just, we're just happy to see him free for the event he can appeal later on, i'm off the pleading guilty. i mean, at the end of the day, or do you think the government will, the us government will say no. if you're taking this deal, not to say is fine on i think the best bet would be a part in. so i wouldn't necessarily expect it from a bite, and i think trump will be much more likely to, to give them the part in the was a big question. i think a lot of us had at the time was why trump didn't pardon them. in 2020 or should say 2021. the, the sort of, the, the, the consensus that was whispered about and, and, you know, can be verified,

was that there were certain threats that were made to trump, basically including, i believe there was an allegation that the trump, they were going to actually impeach. and again, remember, you've already been through to impeachment, and it would be a 3rd impeachment against him if he tried to pardon this on. so all kinds of room right as to why trump didn't do it. but again, i think that it's, if there was a, i think if anyone would pardon him down the line, it would be trump. so that's interesting. you know, you may remember when he leaves, when he leaves played a massive role in the 2016 and presidential election by exposing haley hillary clinton. the use of a personal email address from govern was 8 years later. but with eating 5, it is once again, making headlines. there is another election. yeah. you mentioned donald trump. it as you know, he's in a close, he's in the running. but what do you make of the timing? when do they come to that? the time is this going to help biden that let's look, let's look at the case and what's because we didn't know that it would help biting

that much. i mean, we're in june. people forget things ran up very quickly, very rapidly in the election years. as you know, and just in general, i mean the them, the events that are on folding day to day let alone month to month. i don't think this will be a major point. you know, to say, to just say buying. this is great president. and there, you know, of course, when it comes to the question around the elections, i mean that i think there is a question in many people's mind as to why the us government was when so hard after assange. i mean, you could even make the case that uh, like a glenn green wall, for example. right. working with snowden on the, on a say, weeks is surprisingly, you know, there was no attempt to try to put them in prison the same way. there was 2, as you could say, could argue that part of the, the reprisal that u. s. government sought was because of his on his especially leaking of hillary clinton's emails. i had a private server, but

a lot of the information that he leaked had to do with when she was secretary of state, a lot of their policies that are pursuing, you know, including the, obviously, the, the war against olivia as an example, as well as all kinds of other sort of, you know, revelations about how, uh, how do you say, how, how business is done and the office of, of, of the government offices are sold for the fluids with the, you know, the highest bidder of that kind of stuff. i think that there is a case that may be as arch pissed off a hillary clinton and that was why they went after him so hard. so it's interesting, you know, with the case against the, i thought it at the end of the day that it never went to court. i mean, the us justice department decided that you didn't have thoughts had actually committed espionage. of course he, many people just saying all he did was publish what was going on, but do you think this is going to be a warning across the board for old journalist and perhaps of the whistle blows?

could this be? so i think some sort of precedent of what's going on here. you know, what's interesting is that you could also make the argument that it's, it's actually reverse. because for the last 56 years that they've been trying to prosecute assange and basically the again, even, even before, remember that the real, the charges started. i believe it was in sweden, right? with the, with the allegations of, of, of rate and things like this. i mean, it's basically been like 10 years of or more of try to turn this ons into a brian and trying to put it in jail. so i think that actually that the fear was already cast that time right to, to make the was of lowers and the journalist so we support them. afraid of coming out because you don't want to get on to julia massage treatment. argue that the plea deal is actually a sign of life of hope of saying, okay, you see even hassan,

she was the boogeyman for so long. you know that, that the, the government was going after to try to, you know, put them away while they let them go. so isn't that isn't that more optimistic and hopeful to serve as 12 is certainly not, uh, not, not uh, a few days in prison. but uh, you know, so what, what really gets to me is about how the main screen media really turn the back on one of their own. do you think now today they look back on themselves 10 years ago? and so, you know, we shall stick up for our for know, doing list, know the mainstream media is gone and my perspective and massage, i don't think, you know, again he's, it's like, you know, i mention greenwald and others. i mean, these guys are they, you know, greenwald left his own. he's on the intercept publication that he started. right? because he said, you know, they basically have gone so far for it. they're only, they're only answering to their,

to their donors. they're not interested in the truth, you know, they won't credit the time. i think they weren't criticizing by it. and it was, it was kind of one sided in their reporting. and that's what leaders that's not intercept is not near times. it's not cnn. you know it, but the point is that it needs to be media is all about to my perspective, at least it's, it's like c i, it's the immediate this point, right? it's mockingbird media. it's all about controlling the narrative. so i don't think these guys have any conscience, you know, they'll cut themselves in the back and say, oh yeah, new york times it broke us. you know, we broke depending on papers 50 years ago. and you know, as odds they know they, they, they may say all sure, you know, we think you know it's, it's good to have whistle blowers, but they don't, they don't have any moral loyalty to the truths their, their loyalty is to, to the narrative of i would say, you know, the corporate leads that are, that are, that are shaping the narrative that they give to us. so let me ask you, uh,

another question here that still got my attention today. uh and uh, while spoken to other guests very i'm not is how do you want to say it seems to believe, but if you do something, if you break a life saves more, nobody has been a legit lower. should i say, no matter where you are in the world, you are actually going to be subjected to uh, the ross on the right of, of us nor i know by the way, well, i mean, what, what does that say about the world we live in today? i mean, all the sort of allies of the united states are they supposed to bend the knee and, and, you know, do whatever the leader of the life stays says well, i mean, there, there is, there's a few things to come to mind. i mean, at one level, yes, i mean in this case, it is us law that,

that spawns was violated by isn't american dental matter though what i mean. but that's the point. it doesn't, it doesn't matter if you're dealing with it. yeah. and if you're dealing with blowing with so let's say on american government policies or in this case, you know, with chelsea manning for example, it was, uh, you know, it was, it was the military and the, you know, these violations essentially are of us law. so yes they are, the long arm of the us law will come me lunch. remember in 90 in, in 1989 bush and company in bated panama to arrest the president of the panama noriega. remember this and basically say, well, you know, you're deal allegation was drug trafficking, which bush senior and company were all involved with her and got run contracts. but, you know, basically said all noriega, you violated the us laws on drug trafficking where to come and arrest you. i mean think about that that's, that's, that is the nature of our world and it's not a new thing. and mean this goes back dish and probably receives that, but that the,

that case comes to mind very starkly, right? i'm saying the longer with us lot, whether it's escal, pablo escobar violating you, as long as we're going to send a, a team to kill you. right? for trip for drug trafficking, i mean it's all part of the same mentality, isn't it? so one last question before i let you go is done isn't being criminalized i this rains and are you afraid to be outspoken? yeah, yeah. well, i think, you know, again, journalism has been criminalized, you know, going back to you can say that, you know, the prosecution of daniel ellsberg, all of that fell apart. but again, that was leaking in the pentagon papers 50 years ago. and it's the same principle at heart, which is to say, you know, you cannot reveal what they call national security. well, as we know, national security is kind of a joke. i mean, whatever someone in, you know, you name it in pentagon or state department or the executive decides is national security. right. that they, they the market as such. that's why to this day the,

the j f. k documents we, we've talked about this on the program before, right? the jazz k documents are still glass of by going back, you know, for 60, probably 60 plus years at this point or about 60 years is point why, right? it's, that's national security. it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a joke about sort of a concept. so in that, i mean, there isn't that there is a real national security, but they're using it in a way that's, that is not realistic. it's become a fantasy, right? so is it dangerous to be a journalist? i think it's always been dangerous to be a journalist and i'm sure across the decades, there been journals that have been killed for trying to ask questions and give stories that, that the, the corporate sponsorship, the c i, a and company you know, did not want to have answered so it's always been dangerous. i don't think that we're necessarily in a more dangerous moment now. thankfully we have more alternative media. and that's, that's, that is our best hope. i think it's point at this time. yeah. that so, so in the value of that, oh is that price? yeah,

so i'm starting to as well as i'm filmmaker. cool. joining us from florida both of the senior thanks. okay. thank god, who he likes published most of the top secret files including documents that i did to the us was in iraq. i've, i've kind of gone as well as a trove of us diplomatic cables. i'll correspond it moving across the river that was deeper into the story. also known as collateral murder, it's 2010, and which lakes release is classified? us military floods, its showing coma helicopters, conducting a series of attacks on baghdad. and this was in 2007, and they killed over a dozen people, including suv reuters staff right?

you too. bye out. to shoot them off buddy. my gosh, pick up the sportage calls outrage on one side and of course panic on the other. it was not the 1st such incidents and definitely not the last, but this time. not only that, it involved the journalists, but more importantly, that was video evidence which was made worse. while the fact that the perpetrators were so adamant in the claims of innocence. we regret the loss of innocent life, but this incident was promptly investigated and there was never any attempt to cover up any aspect of this engagement. the words that kept forming on my lips were cold blooded murder. the u. s. military. they just, they lied to us, it was all lies. southerly. everyone knew about what for leaks and julie, on the songs, the footage was social care and it was picked up by most international media outlets. it may be,

wes looked bad. so the hans was on and eventually the source was exposed and american soldier at the time called bradley manning and later chelsea after his transition or he leaves around $0.75 to military and diplomatic documents. monitoring was court martialed and convicted of espionage among other charges and jailed by us authorities. finally signed was a tough a year for the us as with leaks delivered, another bomb shell, and that one really blew the lead on the true scale of devastation caused by the american military's actions abroad. the iraq and i've done more diaries, became a sensation, the rock files revealing a huge stuff. so as well as cases of abuse and torture by us led coalition forces to the reports detail 109000 32 deaths in

a rock comprised of 66081 civilians. 23984 enemy. those labeled as insurgents. 15196 host nation rocky government forces and 3771 friendly coalition forces. the majority of the us 66000 over 60 percent of these, our civilian deaths. that is 31 civilians dying every day. during the 6 year period, there were nearly $400000.00 military logs. it was a mess. washington claim that which leaks was put an american soldiers in danger by releasing this information to learn a song, however, argued that it was necessary to expose just how many lives were senselessly lost around the world due to us policies. what is the most single, damming revelation? the real story of this material is it, it's for it's one damn thing,

often another most of it. this is for our as a result of the everyday scala. for these leaks covers the us military's actions during the war in afghanistan from 2004 to 2010. 0 they revealed call us from forces attacks on civilians friendly fire incidents as well as, as gun forces attacking each other. and once again, a much higher test, so including hundreds of civilians previously on reports and by the coalition. and here's just one example. maureen then fired $56.00 meet around at the bus. there are 4, ex coalition forces wounded in action to ex civilian killed, 13 ex civilian injured. the main shock from the legs was washington's cover up of the true scale of civilian casualties from the media and the public with

a staggering amount of attacks by coalition troops on ask and civilians. it does appear to be evidence of all crimes in this material. these files bring to light what's been a consistent trend by us and nato forces, the concealment of civilian casualties, despite numerous tactical directives, ordering transparent investigations. when civilians are killed, there have been incidents i've investigated in recent months where this is still not happening. 2011 brought new leaks and this time it was about those that changed at guantanamo bay. her to see of the us department of defense. so 779 people were imprisoned there from 2002. the eldest, been an 89 year old, african village are suffering from dementia, and the youngest. a 14 year old, innocent kidnapping victim. some people were caged up for reasons like we're a cost fuel watch. themes suspicious apparently because there was use this timers

by all call you the i was sleep deprived, i was beaten to liberal commodity. i was not given food for a very low said as of the time i was situated, the assaulted on multiple occasions. seemed the provision of the 1st 70 days, mostly and all to 0 reporter was obtained for 6 years to prove unknown, accessed the links between the news outlets. and i'll call you to, even if you put someone in how they are going to say it's great because they just left guantanamo. the media is not asking the real questions. how are they going to be re united with their families? what are they going to live on once they are released, hundreds of lives destroyed in secrecy, with no fair trial and 0 regard for the law. now made headlines around the world and the world seemed grateful that a sounds had exposed how the us illegally the tape and even tortured innocence, people for years. crucially,

the files also contain detailed explanations of the supposed intelligence used to justify the prisoners detention the documents draw on the testimony of witnesses. in most cases, the prisoners fellow prisoners whose words are unreliable, either because they were subjected to torture or other forms of coersion. sometimes not in guantanamo, but in secret prisons run by the ca or because they provided false statements to secure a better treatment in guantanamo us. authority is that all that they could to destroy with leaks and silence julian, his sons, who ultimately paid the heaviest prize for exposing their on the countable corruption and war crimes. well that runs up this any is o is great to have your company here on off the international will be back on the top of the hour. the latest news,

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