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colonial lambires i am truly in a son, editor of where he weeks will expose the world secret. these documents belong united states government being attacked by the power united states strongly condemned. illegally shoot the son of the pro 5. retained without john. that has installed this today. well, the question the can change the world tomorrow or during the last 3 years today, i speak to join to the intellectual list. learn from ski reading now and linguist rebels. think tara kelly street fighting the list and military historian. i want to find out what these 2 act restore was. think where is the world going?
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with who did go to eric 20112012 as being the star key for liberation movements in many places across the world. did you see it coming? i didn't see it coming. i don't think most people saw it coming. but what's interesting is that you have these arrow about pricing and a part of the world which commentators was saying people onto the democracy. the muslims are genetically hostile to death. and you have these up searches and members spread, because it's the occupation of fed reed square and cairo that inspired active is all over the united states, even in russia, who would have expected these moment suddenly to come up and russia and cabbage authority. so the, the, the, the, the arab spring has been very infectious and it's still going on in different ways . and trotsky no, i can't say i predicted it. i assume that sooner or later there would have to be
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a popular reaction to the bitter class for that's being been for, for the past generation. very conscious class, for which as of the always quite class conscious business classes. but it really felt they were on a role. so in the united states, for example, we all know the fact over the past generation, there's been wealth created, but it's gone and to very few pockets of the extreme and the quality of the united states is weighted very heavily by a literally a 10th of a percent of the population, mostly the hedge fund managers see use of major corporations and so on. the talking about the united states. but the phenomena are basically world wide, takes
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a egypt. one of the most exciting places are the, the movement, the a, a started off the, to her square demonstrations a year ago is called the april 6th movement. there's a reason, april 6th, 2008 was the day of a large scale labor protest that the major industrial installations in egypt and supporting demonstrations. and so one of the things that was a small group of my tech savvy professionals who tried to wanted to participate and helped help them out with the social media and so on. the, the, it was crushed by the dictatorship. but that group of professionals is the april 6th movement. they skipped the name. that's one indication of how deeply rooted these protest or yes, the a there were people reading a lot of people for many,
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it was just a moment of an opening which we can somehow do something. but they were the, there was a plenty of preparation for it. and something similar and to an easy, you asked if i predicted it? no, i didn't, but it's now happening worldwide in one form or another. i think know, ms. wright and i think essentially the 4th we've been witnessing together with the new liberal economy is a contraction of politics in the sense that i've been arguing now for some time that what we have in west and politics is neither the scream left know the screen right but it's screen center, and this it scream, center in compass is both center right and center last week, agree on fundamentals. waiting was a broad occupying con craze and punishing the for pushing through old start routine
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maintenance. it doesn't matter which parties involved either in the united states or in the west, and it was uh, the things you know carry on like before this continue to from one we seem to the next week affects the functioning of the media, which has become more and more narrow, so there's very little diversity, very few debates constructed within the main stream media. and that is a big characteristic. now it's a full my, it's the date to ship of capital, which is exercise through the supreme center. the arab countries had dictators backed by the west for some time. and the speed and scale of those uprising certainly to every one by surprise. none of us could have predicted it. do you think that the deluxe of predictability, in fact is part of why there was successful without any that if the,
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if they could have been predicted, mechanisms would have been put in place to stop it happening. yeah. and protected screen mechanism. they would have tried to arrest people crash, people talk to people. law got to this up, but it went out of control very rapidly. and the united states, i'm the french in tennessee. i need your for instance, go ahead and confirm the time. you know, they were taken by surprise to mean they only got their act together to try and subvert the process when they had a 6 month bombing of libya by nato things. so they could exercise some control of the entire arab of the game. but it's still incredibly volta and, you know, sometimes people say, but nothing much is change. this is true. but one thing has changed is that the people, the masses have realized that in order to bring about change, they have to move and become active. and that is a big lesson from these up pricing's. i want to consider how much
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choice they really use is a choice to lose weight, or do you re, james, have to deal with the situation that is around the, the basic constraints in dealing with organizations. where during, for example, knowing that to cuba was 90 miles away from miami 91 miles away from an aggressive superpower that is broadcasting propaganda into cuba. introduce censorship. would you introduce state police as a way of preventing the removal of independence from queued up? because it seems to me that these are the questions that are going to have to be faced. foundation instead of struggling not only to open for the ruins, to be independent as a nation from western powers afterwards, as well to as a very special case. so i don't mean to some extent it has characteristics like
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other small countries, but it is unique for 50 years of the united states has been dedicated to strangling and crushing cube care. and the kennedy's latin american advisor to the problem is the castro idea of taking matters into your own and which might lead others in similar circumstances to try to follow that path. and pretty soon, the whole system of us control would erode. so for those reasons which persist of the united states has carried out, 1st of all, a massive terror campaign that cubis been a victim of more terrorism. probably the whole world combined in international there. and beyond that, the economic strangulation of extraordinary sort issue, our population wants to be independent that both an independent state. we might
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talk about other forms of independence later, but an independent state in defiance of nato. or if you need to trying are in defiance of china or russia for some of the former soviet states, then it comes at a cost of an image in the case of cuba. perhaps the cost is that you're in a state of war being in a state of war. you look around the world, there are similar problems, but not as dire as the one the to the faces. so go a little bit to the south, south america. and one of the most dramatic, unimportant of developments of the past decade is that south america for the 1st time. since the european congress came for the 1st time and 500 years, has made a very significant move towards independence towards integration. there isn't a single u. s. military base left in south america. it's pretty remarkable. so what do you
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think? well, i think flipped over the last decade, the most significant changes we've seen have coming from science america. i mean, i visited venezuela, olivia, brazil, and they moved is just different, and many people say it's the 1st time ever we feed really independent. that whatever the weaknesses might be of these regimes, and they're awesome. the sovereign states and the actus and when chavez for instance, say something to the united states. he's very blunt and open about it. and he told me once he said, you know, i gave a speech of the you when and a lot of other countries who can say the same public come and congratulate to me and said, thank you, you're speaking for all of us. and he says, i say to them, but you can speak to, no one can stop you. but you know, because they obviously think that costs, they think they comped and this is now
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a moved in most of south america. i mean, with the exception of columbia, mexico and poly should be a chilly else where people are feeling we are independent for the 1st time ever. i think this is going to be a huge problem for the united states. i mean they. ready are obsessed with the arab world in china, and now you're on. but in south america, for, for, for a decade, for a bit more of the united states is not in control. whereas i'm enormously in fact and the national security council, top planning organization. a warrant that if we cannot control latin america, how are we going to impose a successful order on the rest of the world, meaning rule rest of the world? so if we can't control ease in our backyard, how are we going to control everything else? as a deeper point. now moving over to the middle east, the deep concern in the united states and the other imperative someone burial power
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. it's prisoner, france, particularly concerned is that now they may, the middle east might get out of control. and that's here is much more serious in south america by great. that's why they invaded libya. no, i'm, i have no doubt about it was to re establish control. i bet i, i agree, but i think it's all over. so for example, if you take a look what's happened in the arab spring of the countries that are crucial to western imperial power or the oil producers. they have been under a very tough hand in saudi arabia. equate the em or it's the major oil producing reasons. it never got off the ground. the intimidation of the security forces back for the west was so a norm is that people are literally afraid to go into the streets and realize the west, mainly france in tennessee. the united states and britain in egypt are following
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a very traditional pattern. there's a playbook that you pursue, that you gives you a kind of a game plan. when some favor dictators lose the capacity to rule. what you do is support them until the last possible minute. when it's impossible any longer, maybe the army turns against them. you get your intellectual class to issue ringing, declarations about democracy and then you try to restore the old system as much as possible. this was done with some of those marcos do a macbook to so hard, so i mean it's routine. it takes genius not to see it, but i think the real problem to view is that democracy itself isn't very serious, trouble because of the corporations. when you have to european countries, when you have greece and it to the politicians abdicating and saying lead bank
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because they're all nice and clear to me. where is it going to go? you know? so what clear with this thing is that democracy is becoming more and more denuded of content. it's like an empty shell, and this is what his hang ring young people who feed them, whatever we do, whatever we vote for, nothing changes and sold things. perfect sense. and do you think it's, you know, this problem is it, is it, the media is a structural, is it, uh, is it the increased ability of the same to, to control the periphery as a result of more sophisticated telecommunications. it is like what's, what's, what's driving it, what's writing it is a democracy that has become petrified by the media has become a villa, a central pillar of the establishment, much more than it was during the cold war. at that time, little proving to the russians and the chinese, our system is better than us. now they don't feel the need to prove it. so they
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operate as they won't be all that. that way though, using freedom of expression as a stick to beat the soviet union. now there's no need for that. i think you have this like the alliance between liberals and the military and the lease in the west . all coming together, financial interest to demonstrate the superior alrighty of the west compared to the service. and that, that sort of very unnatural alliances now split apart. it's split apart and be within the western world. they have now got pins control to such an extent that they literally get away with murder. i mean obama has now signed the lower according to which the american president has the right to authorize the killing of an american citizen without any recalls to. ready i told no due process which you know, although us president in history is done or even during the civil war,
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the people who tried to kill lincoln. ok of lincoln's the conspirators work, cried in a cold. how ever faulty it was. no longer you can order someone to be killed. and this attack on civil liberties is of course it's crazy disturbing because it really affects democracy. i mean, do you think these social movements that are happening in latin america? if you look at the sort of the technological reduction in latin america, it's somewhere like us was in the 19 seventy's and, and the is the, is the, the political and social interaction that are, is occurring in the states as a result of the technological interactions that are occurring so perhaps it is simply not possible for more industrialized country to adopt the model of a less industrialized country. would we, would we have to throw away the industrialization to do it? i don't think so. i mean, most of these western stay. ready it's
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a very happily become d industrialized and made china into the domain and take a nomic bar in the world like the british war and the 19th century in china is the workshop of the world. there's been a huge increase the, the actual, the work force was declining in the west has trembled from 1000000000 in the seventy's and eighty's to over 3000000000 today because of what's happening in china, india bouts of south america. so i think the so called advanced bylaws have a lot to none from the good things that's been happening in south america. why know that this is their model of practical functioning model? i think i agree with target, there's many models, but the i don't think that to popular forces concerned with changing their own societies should be looking for models. i think they should be creating the models and that's exactly what's happening. so model was in south america.
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let's say what has been a lot of progress. they're developing models and takes a in bolivia, mentioned a couple of times. one of the most striking things that's happened there is that the most repressed a part of the population of the hemisphere. the indigenous population has moved into the political arena, has, in fact taken political power as pursuing its own concerns as also happening in ecuador and to an extent in peru. while these they are developing new and significant models. and some of the aspects of those models. the west had better pick up pretty soon, or us full on the over. we always had these claims that capitalism and democracy goes together. try that seems to be the great example of that it's, it's even more efficient at being a capitalist states and the democratic one. i never believed that the campuses in
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democracy go together. uh, the chinese demonstrate that today that the most successful capitalist country in the world is not in ounce of democracy in the way it functions, but even historically, for hundreds of years of its existence, capitalism function without democracy, till the beginning of the 20th century. i mean, women will only give them the vote on for 1st was so i the no democracy or trying to democracy suits capitalism perfectly in this notion that capitalism and democracy go together. it was a cold war construct designed to hammer the, the russians and the east new york in some of the chinese it has no basis and an historical fact. the 1st of all, we don't have capitalist societies. we have one or another variety of state capitalism. and that's true wherever and industrial system functions. so for
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example, in the united states, the state roll and the economy is enormous. let's take what the 3 of us are doing right now. this is based on the i to revolution. uh, computers, internet, satellites, micro electronics and so on. most of this was developed through the state sector. in fact, exactly where i'm sitting at mit was one of the places where these things were being developed in the fifty's, in the sixty's, under a pentagon funding. mostly it was both funding subsidy invention creation, also procurement of it. and for decades this was in state sector before it was handed over to private capital for commercialization and profit. and if he goes as this tech technical, logical progress in the 19 thirty's you would, you from interest or from that period you often see dissociates,
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talking about how the system is simply more efficient. and therefore, as an efficient system of industry, it will dominate. and you also sold the losses facing precisely the same times that this method of take a logical investment producing an efficient industry will simply dominate all the forces around it. it isn't just a base, it's give you a logical constraint. but regardless of what systems that you want, regardless of people design, maybe we will be nice to each other for a change, something very, very basic, simple human decency. if that system is not efficient compared to another system, the other system will simply grow and scale until it dominates. well, um, it will, but only if it grows, militarily, you'll see the united states as we can normally play at the moment. you might, it's you, in screen depth as no i'm is pointed out real structural crisis,
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but it isn't very dominant militarily and it uses its middle increased strength to dominate other parts of the world, which might be doing well, we cannot make leap, but an app that's for that's the problem we face this, this conflict between the desire to, to do something for any logical reasons and then a sort of practical reality fits say, totalitarian capitalism may simply be the most efficient system and therefore will dominate, that's not an efficient system. if i take a look at china, a chinese growth has been spectacular. but the china has grown largely as an assembly plant. it's primarily the assembly plant for the advanced industrial countries on his periphery, japan, taiwan, south korea. so for example, takes a fox con, this huge hit is factory and china we're working conditions are utterly
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grotesque as a tie. one, a zone factory. it produces a apple computer's ipods, bill computers, and so on. but what's happened over the past years is that china has been the assembly plant for the in the advanced industrial state capitalist country is on its periphery and for western multi nationals. now of course, sooner or later, china will begin to move up the technology letter. fact, in some respect is already happening. a china is actually begun to innovate to with solar cells that surpass those elsewhere. and that will begin to happen elsewhere. but it's a long, slow process characteristic. both both you and have had a long, long lights as active as so when you look at this generation of active as now in the width,
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it is that it's just starting to be politically rather radicalized. i think internet radicalize youth is probably the best way that i would describe them. what, what do you want to tell them? what experience you have had 3 days, multiple battles, a dozens of years, and kind of give to them because it seems to me that there was a moment, perhaps during the eighty's and ninety's that there was not a continuity from this tradition of the st. in the west park i cry about. ready giving advice to younger generation schools, generations are so different from each other and given the world has changed so much the in the universe. some advice to be given is don't give up. you live through bad times and you feel, you know, the everything is lost and many people become passive. but the best of a t,
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which is, is usually leads to dispatch. and i think it's extremely important to realize for young people growing up today, but they need to be active and active activity is something that leads to hope and that i missed their active themselves. no one is going to hand them anything on the plate. that's the lesson of the last few years with this new radicalization don't give up, have whole remain skeptical. be critical of the system that dominates us old and sooner or later, if not in this generation in generations to come, things will take well, a lot of things have changed over the years and they've changed all of them to the better life change because uh, lots of dedicated people committed themselves to and that history hasn't ended. those changes have been we can do something about them. and in fact,
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there are very serious problems. so for example, if, if the species continues on its present course, we probably will be facing the destruction of the possibility for decent survival simply because of things like fossil fuel use. well, that's streamlined serious issue and it's kind of like a, you know, the lemmings going over the cliff. the
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viewers of this programs have certainly come across the observation. ukraine is on its last legs. indeed, ukraine's battlefield situation is grim and worst by the day. however, it needs to be asked whether nato is on its last legs. the answer is certainly no good. the position i would suggest in belgrade was suggesting that we send americans and, and the bridges and the dream that on your bill is us on obama moved on. you probably now know about seeing, but as to when he is here, all the youngest will say that you will see the most of classes. you know, the middle school is what i need to file a past closeness, most of all,
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it does really as long as know if the guys are on a source or sit emotional around noon, it may be, you know, a lot less radioactive and then something is active uranium, but still it's radioactive and it has toxins that they can kill you, the laptop you want me to go and see. so ease of us here. again, let's see the echo seats. the boeing good. i don't, you know, those image and mold were suggesting we pharma fell grace bill, call us what they were just the this is can be started by live. please can be
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expanded by true importance of which can never be over stations. that transparency is extraordinary. john mystic patrice then just succeeded in finding documents that existed in making them available both to the was public. that means water could be more bold in baths by publishing information and sharing information with the public. he was exercising the right to free speech. he did so in the public interest hogwash to so long realized, tends to me, engulfing endlessly of late continuously. i know why advice may know who is the guy that illegal anymore. why sweetheart adjustments for, to be on box weighing a 175 used to go through the
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a sense of all we going to let that stay the breaking news of this 5 years behind boston a maximum security prison in the u. k. with the julian assault, and please don't take any you wes coulton, the pacific on end of sy, part of the supply can to please deal with washington for notes, every was convinced it. so when with the bad news is that he had to plead guilty to conspiracy to obtain and disclose national defense in which means the us security states succeeded in criminalizing journalism and extending the jurisdiction globally to norm citizens. the details in kenya where protest assumed the parliament and.

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