soup rotation and evacuate their wounded key forces have no other option but to sleep. so i thought about the way we operate pretty fast. the pilots are close to the enemy. some days later, the enemy left the positions they tried to take a cut because the drone, by its very definition, is an expandable item. you need many, many thousands of them and what the special forces obama have established here. it's a full cycle manufacturer for the death of that other, there's a projectile preparation going on at the coordinator here. the dropping systems is occurring to fuses high explosive projectiles and the people inside of the fragmentation project house value. another good thing here, we have thermal barrack munitions for special purposes. i was able to pay them about an annual what the weight is. probably gonna come up with a 3.5 kilograms. and here you have sub munitions, right? so that's what, that's right. the bottom line is that sub munitions for enemies,

manpower, very effective. such an issue to the side overall child is never blind. always vigilant. always leave. so the other one is just that i'm, that's a, here's the live situation in the town. the enemy doesn't operate actively during the day because it's dangerous, not only for health, but for life. the sky is so dense with the russian and ukrainian who waves drone dog fights have become a common sight. seeing you monday. yeah. with them was we have videos. we shut down the enemy's magic. drawn with ours are survived. we put it above there so that, and then you will ukrainian to mount is holding back. no resources trying to out number the russians by an order of magnitude. but where one might see a problem varvara and his men see an opportunity for us to show what if i take yours? that's your, that's them bring more, the more we have,

the more drones we hit, it should be this way. not like, oh there are so many of them. i will not go there. know the other way around. you will not miss optimism is needed for you to have to look at that. a philosophy that seems to be the foundation of the smart special forces. i'm a guess done up reporting from the russian ukraine board to see all the signing off to for this out from us in moscow. but we all going to traverse the continent on an ocean until a few very safety into the hands of rick sanchez. direct impact is up next. enjoy the and hello everybody on bins one in for rick sanchez. it is an image many thought we'd never see join a song, walks free. would you like found or striking to deal with us authorities bringing it in to an over 10 years long, legal battle. but there has to be a catch. what is the motive behind this? unprecedented move by the white house. we're digging into all the details. this is

direct impact. the again, julie and as long as it is free, that is the headline today, the founder of which he leaves set to return to his home country. well, throw you very soon following his release from a u. k. prison. on monday i saw that you shot to world wide fame in 2010 is a ledge by the d. o. j to of orchestrated the biggest security breach in us military history. they say, with the aid of chelsea, mannings, and bradley, many, these revelations lifted deville on the us military, industrial complex, exposing war crimes and atrocities. investigators say that assigned as actions broke laws meant to protect sensitive information and put the country's national security at risk. julian massage long maintained that he was a journalist, simply publishing classified documents that he received from a source. nevertheless, he was charged by the us unprecedentedly,

under the espionage jack sparking affairs, legal battle against extradition that now after 12 long years as finally come to an end. now as part of this proposed plea deal, because yes, there is always a plea deal with the us justice department of federal plead guilty to one felony for conspiring to unlawfully obtain and disseminate classified information related to us national defense video grants and credit for time serve while awaiting trial and the case bell march present. that means that the psalms will avoid any for the present time. now it is not signed, sealed and delivered just yet. a song still needs to appear in court wednesday in the northern body on the island. so what is the catch here, the most persecuted journalist in the world, and so deeply hated by us law makers and the intelligence community. and now they're done. we have a full lineup. joining the show today, we're joined by international correspondent manila jan, senior research fellow at the global policy institute of georgia that way and c i a was a blower, and host of the whistle blowers, john kerry, all kinds guys,

thank you for being here. john. let's start with you, your initial thoughts when you heard this news, as i mentioned, there has to be a catch here. there is a play deal involved, but what were your thoughts of julia sanchez? finally, free. my initial thought was that it wasn't a shocking development. what the shocking development was that he was moving onward to the federal district court for the northern marietta islands of all things. of course that is the the federal district court that is nearest the territory of us trail. yeah. we know that there had been negotiations on going between the justice department and juliet's lawyers for at least 6 months. and this really came down to a fee saving exercise. on the one hand, julian said very adamantly that he would not be responsible for any future prosecution. every journalist under the espionage that that was not going to be laid on him. and then at the same time,

the justice department had to placate the c i a and the f. b i which were deemed to be the so called victims. in this case, they finally came to an agreement, i think honestly, because this is an election year. this is something that the white house wanted to just go away. and there was great pressure from the australian government. yeah, yeah. what a ridiculous idea, george. that the c i a and the f b, i are the victims of what of being exposed by wiki leads of being exposed by julian assault. and truly what they say is you, you release those important classified information of them. committing crimes around the world. and yeah, the only person who's in trouble, of course, for 12 years has been, julia thought, what say you exactly right, and of course, as we know, the julian design is a publisher and it says, oh, it has been axiomatic and 1st amendment and law,

which is that the 1st amendment protects the publisher. i mean the one who supposedly steals the information. he is legally vulnerable, but the person who actually publishes it is however, protected by the 1st amendment. that's always been axiomatic. and it was unfortunate then in the case of assigned that this was a change and they went off to him and the apple obviously threatened the 1st amendment. i tend to think that it is to do with this upcoming election of being uh by then once they get this issue. and also the agenda is riley is some of his, um, radical. so i'm not very happy with him. particular over his stance on uh, israel and garza and is gonna, you're gonna keep, keep them happy. well, he's done something for of because of a journalism. it's taking away an issue from trump as well. trump go to use that and embrace those kind of a libertarian issue a, well,

we need to release the julian aside. so that issue has been taken away from trumps . so i think it, those a as political calculation on dividing that ministrations. but yeah, a couple of interesting things that, by the way that, you know, you mentioned the course that in the past, the person who is the journalist who receives the still the information is never, is never prosecuted. that obviously changed their course. the argument that was made by the department of justice is that he was part of this by actually coaching . bradley manning now. chelsea manning on how to do that, but manila want to bring up go to this point. everyone keeps bringing up about election year, washington dc. now trump had been on the cabin pain trail and he was same on the campaign trail that he was going to pardon julie massage. now all of a sudden this happens by the way, he could still pardon him because there is a police to hear where he has to plead guilty to a crime. um so then we have heard from donald trump explicitly saying as of late that he would pardon julian assad's, which like you said, he absolutely can do if he were to win another term in the white house. we've also

heard from r f k junior as well. saying on day one that he would give assigned to not only the pardon, but have all those charges dropped to begin with and they would ultimately be nothing to drop at that point. right. so i think, i think here in the belt way, joe biden is so wildly unpopular, losing major numbers within minority groups, left and right, losing major numbers with progressive and certainly independents and people that are somewhere in the middle. because of, as george saying, well, he said he has stance on gaza at his stance on ukraine has lost a lot of people in the middle. and i think this is a hail mary attempt to try to boost those numbers. i don't think the bite in administration is sincere in that they care about this and journalist. well being this man being persecuted, they don't care about the 1st amendment. they don't care about journalist writes,

they don't care about that because they continue to pursue him. piggybacking right off of donald trump's administration's campaign against him, a piggybacking on then bravo bomb is campaign against julia and started. so i don't think any of this is sincere, and i feel like we should be looking out for a catch. yeah, i agree with you and john, even to that point, look, trump goes around saying that he would consider and pardon julian, as long as you are in the white house for 4 years, you didn't pardon him during that time you didn't do anything to help julie in his thoughts and, and, and by didn't obviously didn't care. and as it middle of rightly says, obama didn't care either. right. and so what we've seen is for years, administrations have not cared. and yet suddenly in this moment, now they say yeah, but we also get a win here and that you admit that you committed a crime right now. you don't have to serve any more time in prison, but you admit that you committed the crime and the truth is john join. massage. did you not commit a crime? he did not break the law and he's been persecuted all this time. having committed no crime. yeah, you're, you're getting it right on the head. i'm smiling because,

you know, i've been in washington for 42 years then and i'm, i think i'm savvy enough to understand the way the city works. and what we saw today was really vintage washington. on the one hand, it was donald trump's administration that charge julian assigned in the 1st place. now donald trump is talking about parking julian decides were he to be elected president again? but he can do that. he can get away with that because his position is that he was under pressure from the likes of mike pump, peo and mike pence to move forward with the charges against children aside this morning, early this morning, mike pence tweeted that this uh this deal with assigned was a travesty. that was his word. it was a travesty. and that assigned should have been extradited to the united states and, and imprisoned for his so called crime against the national security. but then you look at the strongest statements of support that we saw today on twitter elsewhere

in public and supported children. and so they were from, they were from the likes of, of tucker carlson of ran. paul, the republican senator from kentucky, a congressman, thomas massey, the libertarian republican, representative from kentucky. so. so those on the right and those on the progressive left are unanimous in their support for julia in a sense. you're also right though, about the fact that joe biden doesn't care about julia. aside, just like brock obama didn't care about julie to sounds, they could have done something about this case over the course of 12 years. and they never did. but it's an election year and now it's not an issue anymore. it's gone away. so in this funny way, everybody except video conservatives and then the liberals, when's the conservative a populace right? when they're happy, the progressive left with is, they're happy, julian is free,

he's happy. and the only people who don't like it are the likes of, of general clapper, and mike pence, and i think official washington can live with that. george. we're getting close to a break, but i want to throw another question to you before we hit. we hit that, which is simply that's in one minute. can you just tell me what do you think is the reason for this in terms of the political aspects? simply because of it, i don't see this moving anybody in terms of the political cycle, no votes are going to flow either way over julian assault and i wouldn't think so what is it a deeper reason in washington that they might have done this? well, i think the may be a few votes, but it will be a very close selection. and in a very close election, a handful of votes could decide if and if there are libertarians who might be persuaded to vote the biden. or there might be, you know, some radicals within the democratic body who might actually show up to vote because

of this. it could be decisive in the election. i mean, it's a, it's a, it's a tossup which way this is going to go. and it is likely to be decided by a handful of votes and a number of key battleground states. i think it's a very interesting idea when you have such a, a small group of people who would actually be affected by this. and again, do those people even believe the sincerity of either canada just talked about a science. but we'll talk about that more on the other side of this break, because when we come back, we're diving deep into the epic saga of the united states versus julian assault from confinement to freedom. what is next to me this controversial figure? we're gonna talk about it with our panel. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. the, the,

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[000:00:00;00] the, the, and welcome back on bins one in for rick sanchez. so let's take a deeper dive into the explosive revelations made by julia massage and wiki leaks over the years. one of the most shocking videos came out of a rack in 2007 and showed iraqi journalists including to void their staff, gun down in cold blood by us attack helicopter. take a look at this. showing footage they aren't covered and the response,

the followed by the shoot them off body. my gosh. we regret the loss of innocent life, but this incident was promptly investigated and there was never any attempt to cover up any aspect of this engagement. yeah, it was videos like those that had an enormous impact on the public's perception of the war in the rack, but the work didn't stop there in 2010. we can mix release documents detailing the us military's actions in afghanistan and iraq, exposing over a 100000 deaths, most of them civilian. and in 2011 the guantanamo bay files provided a critical look at the operations and decisions related to detainees at the us military base. those file shed light on multiple human rights abuses, sparking discussions about the closure of the detention camp and the legal rights of detainees. take a listen to one survivor as he details the kind of treatment he faced. i was so sleep deprived, i was beaten till they broke my added,

i was not given food for a very long periods of time. i was situated the salt and on multiple occasions seem to provision the 1st 70 days. mostly. yeah, there's absolutely no question that we can leaks, and julio saw and absolutely changed the world in terms of the kind of reporting that they were doing. the many didn't want to even call them journalists. so let's bring back that panel now. never change or to them willy and john kerry, how cool and guys, listen, i got to tell you, you know, when you look at the impact of julia slash and wiki looks, had, there is a reason that they were so hated and certainly so hated julian. hassan himself, by powerful people in this country. he embarrassed. let me see if you really aided them. so the question is, what happens when i left to julia sondra? now do you think it's going to lay low or does he go back and work it when he leaves them release more information as well? you know, you would hope that he continues his work. i would say he's the grandfather of

alternative media and this kind of investigative journalism. and so many people in this industry have been inspired by his actions and his courageous fight against the chilling effect that the u. s. government was trying to implement here against the 1st amendment and journalism as an industry it as a whole. but, you know, then after almost 15 years of effectively confinement for 15 years, i think he's got a lot of healing to do and a lot of trauma to work through, including missing all this time with his children. his children are about the same age as my son, and i couldn't imagine being away from my children never being able to hold them for this long. so i think 1st and foremost, i hope he gets that moment he gets to be with his wife, gets to be with his children. how does them pull them, do some healing, and then get right back to it and whole power to account. but i think the whole

world would understand if he had to take a step back and take some time lick some wounds and get on with this difficult task of being the godfather of alternative media. yeah, i think i think you're right about that. and certainly, george, i will talk to him and those point there is a certain level of brokenness. certainly. then i'm sure julia sanchez endured the the truth, is it supposed to be honest? most of us, myself included. i thought the julian of funds would die in prison. i thought they were going to kill him and they didn't even care if he ever saw a trial. they thought he was gonna just die in prison a waiting trial. and so he's able to emerge from that. what do you think happens with him next? so i have 3 with you. i also thought he would die in prison. i. i that the thing that, you know, he's the author, he begins the physical and mental recovery. you know, he is somebody who is intellectually vigorous, he's intellectually curious. i would find it difficult to believe that he's just

going to settle down to a quiet life, you know, just moving below on and pop the ring around in the yard. i think he is going to get back into the work. but he had done in the boss, so i think that he will be an important and influential figure. i mean, maybe not for about 12 months or so. but i think he will as much as a very major figure and will be a continually the influential and energetic proponent for alternative journalism. it'll be interesting to see how depending on who wins the election that impacts what he does. john, i got out of your question here. listen, i love wiki leaks. i'm. i've got nothing bad to say about him. i think they do amazing work and they've done amazing work for a long time. but can we be honest here? we can lease has not been we can weeks without julianna's on try without him. they've tried to continue through that same work, but it has not been the same. does julia songs coming out of prison make weekly

leaks great again. i think it makes we can weeks greater again, you know, keep in mind also that wiki leaks, it's not like you carry a membership card to be a member of wiki leaks and it's not just, you know, an organization based in iceland. it's spread out all over the world. there are, there are people who are associated with wiki leaks in 2000 and countries around the world. they have mirror servers all over the world, but you're right, they're not breaking stories like volt 7. today. they're, they're not breaking stories like the collateral murder video today. but i really believe that with julian free, even if julian is not necessarily directly involved in whatever forthcoming investigations happen to take place that we can make. so we'll come back also, keep in mind that that wiki leeks has a great deal of money. now that money was intended, it was donated by people over. busy last several years that money was intended to be used to pay for julian's defense. that's no longer necessary. and frankly that's

money that could be spent on investigations that i look forward to very much. absolutely. i think that's exactly right. but i also think and let me john, i'll stay with you for a 2nd, but i also think there is something else that's happening here too. which is that when you look at what's happened with wiki leaks, again, it's a different time, 201201120122014 right. video was different at the time the internet was a different place. i know that's hard to believe a 10 years ago, 14 years ago, the internet was vastly different than it is right now. social media was vastly different, but it is. so we'll have each one of you with this very quickly. but how does the change, and what does happen in just 12 years? in the time the julian font has been in prison jumpstart with you. how does that impact whether or not he has the same kind of impact, the ones that yeah, i think that that information is form or diffuse now. so it's not going to be so ad around julia such as strong of a personality as, as he is it just by its nature. you're right, you internet has changed and by its nature it's, uh, it's going to be more diffuse. also, julian's going to be in australia,

in australia is a 5 by country. the 5 bytes have an agreement that any citizen of those 5 countries, the us, the u. k. capital australia is the one who's been convicted of a felony. and it was spent more than 18 months in prison is not allowed to travel to any of those other countries. so julie, it's going to have to do whatever work he attends to do from australia, and that's going to make it even harder to operate. yeah. how strongly is not exactly a bastion of freedom right now, but george, let me ask you. that's right. same thing. what do you, what are your thoughts on that? i mean, this is a different landscape. it's a different look. and certainly even the kinds of videos that were released at the time it's, it's just a different worlds. there was no instagram at this time at hard to believe i'm or and if it was, it was barely used. it's just a different space that he's coming back into. now, how does he adjust? it absolutely is a different space. then there's also the issue that, you know, we,

we need to talk about that the government has a way succeeded in intimidating and terrorizing potential whistle blowers. and i mean that, that was really the staple of wiki leaks. yeah. that people, you know, what have and what information would provide it to make it leaks. but what they did to do and assign to them before that with the mining i was really brutal. i mean, it was a hit was been a for ripping what, what's been done through june and it's not that will be less. and so, you know, anyone who's got information to release them was the bosses and wiggly, you know, he's, is there any way he was going to be able to bring me these is going to think twice before. uh, you know, taking such a risk and, you know, you know, thinking about it, well, why would want this kind of fate for myself? so i think that's a problem that we can, these will have to address and that's such a great point. 14 years is the span of time between brock obama becoming president

. and today, one of the guy sitting on this panel right now is one of those who has been charged as a whistleblower right. during that period of time. there is an interesting fact, a lot of people middle of may not know which is that during his term as president brock obama, persecuted and prosecuted more whistle blowers than every other presidential administration combined. so to george his point there is a and attempted showing the fact to wipe out whistle blowers to silence them and to create fear. maybe it's part of the reason that we can't mix wasn't a strong without assault, wasn't just the fundamental or maybe it was also the fact that they intimidated, harassed and prosecuted every whistle blower they could find and completely ignored was the lower protections. absolutely. then that chilling effect i would say, took place years ago, as you said, 1213 years though, nobody imagined instagram or tick tock or all of these things in the world has

changed. the landscape has changed since julian was 1st hold up in the ecuadorian embassy, but at the same time, this industry has changed vastly. that chilling effect took place years ago, the media landscape has changed entirely where everybody at this point in mainstream media is there to effectively serve the government, serve the united states, parrot the talking points of the state department and, and move along in advance all the lines of whatever it is the us, we can call it the deep state are trying to achieve whatever those goals may be. this is where the, the place is of us mainstream media these days. and i would say the release of julian assigned, i would say, could be the trial, the trial that come back, i hope of real journalism. so that's the best we can hope for. once he does some healing, then about 30 seconds left. we can talk about whistle blowers without talking to the whistleblower. john, give you the final word and all of this. well,

i think this is a really wonderful development, but i'd like to leave our ears with this note. this fight is not only, not over. it is just beginning, as you said, ben brock obama was responsible for prosecuting 3 times. as many national security was the blowers, as all previous presidents combine. the espionage act in the united states does not allow for an affirmative defense. you can't go in to court and say, why you did what you did. and national security was, the blowers are not protected by the whistleblower protection act. so despite is really and the fight just be getting strong carrier camino a chance drawers and well, he thank you all so much. that is our show on been swan. and we will see you next

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