[000:00:00;00] the each the the hello and welcome to cross side were all things are considered. i'm theater. lavelle, jo biden's, whitehouse continues to insist that has little leverage over the israeli government to bring a halt to the fighting and gaza, or living on this is obviously an absurd claim. at the same time, it appears to us has resigned to a wider conflict that includes lebanon and beyond the cross talking power sign. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is

a legal and media analyst. also in new york, we have stanley cohen steve as a human rights lawyer and in rome. we cross the romano roberto, she is an author and managing editor of the palestine chronicle right across cycles . in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate stanley if i go to you 1st in new york, i'm, i'm really getting very, very sick and tired of these claims that the white house has no leverage over is real. you know, we're supposed to resign ourselves to a genocide that we can all watch in real time. i find that pathetic and i find that criminally liable. but also we have a us official them that have the kicker is really citizenship by the way, me going to 11 on and saying, well if the israelis go to work with has blog will be on the side of the as really is why was he there where was that diplomacy? why do we have to resign ourselves to just more bloodshed in a wider war with a one telephone call from the white house could change all of that?

go ahead stanley as well. it's called the election. it's called uh, a package for the atl. it's all at this point. uh 5 you could care less about the morality principle, international law about work crime. she wants to wait. he's waited long enough and he's made a decision that is more important port a past and it's more important. port design is wayne of the democratic party and the independent party that he is concerned about losing young women and men who are in the streets or rightly so saying, genocide, genocide, genocide, and you're absolutely correct one phone call this sense because under the arms export controller which is real. there's been clearly in violation of for generations now. he fits up a phone, he says that's the end that you're not in compliance with the act of congress put ended as well because they are the only person who can weigh in on the arms export control act. judiciary has said it's

a separation of powers issue. so by and as he's done through his entire career has made a political calculus. how do i get more involved? so what do i have to worry about, in this case? the slaughter of bowman yesterday of, of, of, of the, the electoral, of the a pack ownership. really friends they find watch when he knows he can't shut down. here's wheels for a while. we tried to walk inside rope where he, for every dollar he gave them the man attorney and a d. it's 10 to kill people and to destroy it community. so this is all about the election as it is with nothing yahoo affairs, 3 trials that are waiting for him to put him in prison. well, you know, yeah, but since violent is already been mentioned, i was going to do that. the 2nd half of the program, but i'll throw it to line. all right now. well, i know you're on the program quite a bit. we went through the forest called russia gates, you know, we're a russian meddling and the american elections. stanley just brought up the most glaring meddling and american elections all out in the open here. i mean, every cent with that was spent. i mean, this is, you know,

a foreign government israel, through its conduits in the united states and its satellites there in the us determining outcomes politically. i mean, this is just outright meddling, but no one will call it that line. oh, well, aside from that, you know, was really interesting, is that and, and i have been doing a radio a did talk radio for, for 35 years. and the word a pack or is really the lobby was 3rd rail. kryptonite. you just, it was like the n word, this was the a word. and you're yet yesterday, for coverage saying a pack back, the bowman loses and the now the own. and just like there was this transition. so i don't know if that's deliberate. if people are finally awakened, but you're absolutely correct. how can you claim, how can anybody claim that external extra judicial,

extra governmental influence on our sovereignty is okay, and very uh, finally, how does anybody speak to secure the position of power with their voters by saying, i tend to do or the big about this? what is there a gun here? if you don't understand, i can't control where your money goes. oh, by the way, vote for me. yeah. much better or amanda. this is the america's democracy is at stake. that's what everybody says here, but they, they miss the point here. i mean, it seems that both major parties, they will curry favor with donors and not with voters, certainly not with what's right. okay. it's all about money and how much you can get to run your elections here. that is probably the most pathetic soft power message america is sending the world right now. go ahead in room. yes, i think i'm all of the various things that garza is exposing to the word there with this concept of liberal democracy as

a whole. and we see that these as structured crisis. it's not a contingent prices for, for, and meaning that if these lobbies are so powerful, that they can actually be a superior interest. and then people in the treat solved charging for sure. we don't have a representative democracy, democracy, but we have its best and really good key and not a democracy. but i think that's yes. what can seem completely irrational? here it is a russian or the up to a certain point. yes, for sure. uh, the united states is treating as well as an intern of from not as a foreign policy. so, and it is doing so also because each task of your motive for the united states, it is essential, especially following the people to asia. and so the fact that they actually less than me that you've,

you've essentially so essential for them. that is what maintains each determines the ease, what maintains its military. so to reach to give you a review over the weekend, i think that the united states wanted is were to win and wanted to win fast. it is lucky in the interests of course, that the conflict that spends but they cannot afford to, the ease, will not restore the determine of a room. and that may, but the problem with maintaining or re recapturing deterrence, for israel's and it might cost a 3rd world war that is certainly not in the interest of anybody, including the united states. now that a package written written brought up stanley, can you explain something to me that i've never really understood? we hear all of this investigations about how much a pack a gets involved in elections, who they have bought the of minders and congress of were all we know is rarely as americans were, all the same were interchangeable, is rarely sees the american flag. well,

why am i spending so much money and so much effort, and so much intimidation on something that should be obvious that where the site, but apparently we're not because they have to keep pressuring people to convince everyone that we're. busy the same, i don't have to share those values. i don't believe in genocide. i believe in bringing people to account. i mean it's counter intuitive. i mean, you wouldn't need a pack if we would really actually shared these values. stanley, well, you know, the far to tell is that the registration act fair, which was designed years ago, to force microphone for foreign governments to register to put the country on. notice that i am working for is real. i am working for a country x. i am working for country wide, which has rigid rules in terms of what you can do. how would, why force pastor should have been passed with this real? and it's not. we know that fara has been applied when it comes to lobbyist and folks that have supported brush over the years. we know that fara has been wide

when it comes to people with a charge, with the fences they're speaking or working on behalf of rock. but when it comes to israel, it comes ultimately down to, you know, true instead of 48, when he initially was opposed to the photo, quote, the establishment, the state, it is real. truman said eventually i'm not interested. i don't think it's a good idea. but after discussion, she made some comments which remain true today. palestinians don't have money and they don't vote. use of america have money and they do, but look at allison's white. late allison gave hundreds of millions of dollars to israel forever. has been sitting on the fence because she supported the opponents initially against the trump. and the last few days you said i'm giving you $100000000.00 to what you want with it. just make sure it is real, has no headaches, as no problem will come in as much genocide as possible. so you have, this is the publicity where on the one hand you have laws, you of actual procedures, you have limits that in your,

your past to level the playing field to try to keep foreign governments outside of controlling domestic policy. some politics in the united states, you have the arms export control act. you have the, you have the allow react. if you have all these laws that have been passed to maintain theory, that democratic integrity and i'd be able to be that states which when it comes to israel, politicians, when it comes to israel, they ignored if somebody just barely got money yet. but so if i go to this, the line will be, you didn't spend, we just said, you know, here's all the money, a mixer. israel doesn't have any headaches, but it actually creates a huge headache for, for the united states. and it standing in the world in a far worse than a headache for the people of gaza. lionel, you know the well, that's a great point and i was gonna say tell them before i forget, have you noticed that of course we have to thank god for digital streaming

platforms and or alternate citizen and civilian and alternative of news, which basically have they have transformed the subject matter, but now people are starting to pay attention as to what's being said, because all i tell my friends is pay attention. recently. there was a statement by i believe and is rarely official whose name escapes me. who said something like, you don't, you really can't stop how much you really can't it's, it's like an idea and that, that well, well, well, well wait a minute hold. that was the $1000000.00 statement because the, the argument is that we need this money in order to stop this. we will not stop until they are crush. if you have somebody who would just eliminate that as a possibility that defeats the entire series, yet it's now percolating through and it's permanent. it's breaking the blood brain barrier. in these debates, people are saying this is a lot like terrorism business. this is like when we were going after people around the world because they embodied some kind of ideology and they really weren't actually

a corporate real threat. and people are getting it. and that's why somebody had some bored, they've got about a 130 something days until the election. they've got the for the to stall, the american electorate, because people are figuring out right now, the narrative doesn't make any sense. and the way you have a better deal, but pray and couple of people do face consequences if you don't go along with the narrative, you know, long before this happened we had i, academics all across the western world have lost their positions because they were contrary. and, and now it's the case of death that mean you have to, you have to get in line. and this, this is a liberal liberalism is really, really damaging folks. i have to jump in here. we're going to go to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state without the

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the j. k itself, the gaining independence and from the law firm of the ivory coast, remained under the strong influence of its full metropolitan pro french president. felix, who said one year, ruled the country for 33 years, ensuring the interest to from the government dean isn't in the trunk. then there's also including his foster larry share. so that was done. those who saw him a lot more appropriate after the death of, of a one year and usually to bill. i'll get back the ball came to power. reset the drum right. double open for example. yeah. curious to know if we're picking up from the was, it isn't good enough for us. if you need to. one is the one the bronze immediately dean. good luck. boeing, enemy, a deep political crisis ensued. the walk a, the country 2nd largest city, turned into

a theatre of law. thank you for more than you need to always do for repeating. notice of this. how did the dramatic events unfold and how is walk a recovering from? he is a bloody conflict. watch on uh to the level next across step where all things are considered on peter the bell to remind you were discussing palestine. the ok, let's go back to our guest in room from on the one of the things i find very disturbing . well, all of us are watching the events on folding real time on the lebanese border on the west bank and gaza. the way of watching main stream media, they're kind of normalizing genocide. it's like,

well this is what's going on again in, in gaza. and of course, the, you know, using a passive voice and all that they're just normalizing or that's part of our everyday experience here with the regional i bringing it up because they didn't rages people like us even more because, you know, you, we point out this is a, don't you understand what genocide actually is you, we see these pictures here and you're not going to do anything about it. that is one of the most alienating experiences and feelings i've ever had in my life. go ahead and room. yes, absolutely. and the, this from immediate point of view and from it pretty easy code point of view. let's think what happened with rough, uh, and the rough operation. we have us a piece of going every single day on television. say no, we don't want israel to carry out a major operation in rough or east where it doesn't have to cross the red line. then we saw it and literally babys burned alive in the tense. in m, as we saw,

the happy cheated babies. and we saw need are going on television and say, yes, true, it is very sad because it is very disturbing. we are inquiring what we do not think is, was cross the red line. we would like to ask them what was these red line. but visa has happened, you know, so many times with each were in the united states. let's think of what happened with all the seas. fighter discussions on may. 31st, biden says, or penalty o e 's was presented as these fire proposal. and then it was said after a few hours, oh, this is a surprise for us. and the united states were, was negotiating of the top part and not an honest at peace bro. okay. as we are used to here. so literally we are used to the i think there were 2 boxes, the and double standards, literally not enough to describe what is happening now even in terms of how they

present the genocide, a city, you know, stanley that there's, uh, i think it was in hot out there was a, a letter assigned by a prominent is really officials asking the us congress to resend this, invite benjamin netanyahu to speak to a joint session and nothing that, you know, he's policies may be popular among is really citizens, but he isn't. okay. and they point out and these people are, most of them are pretty hard liners too. rather than me. i have to make sure that's clear. but you know, this is not the message they think israel should be sending the, he's not the right messenger for the world. right now for us to make israel's case . so all, all people in washington are talking about is how many standing ovations this man is going to get this is this a so real stanley? everyone gets to use as a parents to their own. and it's a political jester to political presence. it's a political gift. you will get up there. he will speed on one hand,

he will think those political leaders, those political players, those entities that are supporting israel, right? so we just peace and safety while they murder a 100000 people in the civilians, lively women and children. and on the other hand, he will then say, and here's this man by keeps threatening us, and it keeps telling us he's gonna, he's gonna roll back to weapons. he's is going to oppose be a pac sanctions. it's the biggest political show in town. it will serve the purpose of jo by the whole time that vide, we turn around and say, i disagree, and he shouldn't be involving himself the whole time. the bible says i'm bringing them in, they're not, they're continuing to form money into it. you know, just and with a reference to genocide, people have argued for years that genocide is built to find him lots of lots. well this genocide statute has nothing to do with the amount of damage. yeah, so i didn't spent, what does the intensive stomach show for years is real. it is really supportive said there's more palestinians than ever show us the box. and now that you've got

the bodies, they turned around and said, this reports finality test. well, the original proportionality test and whatever happens on october 7th, as absolutely nothing to do with the results of genocide that are plain to say what the i c c and the i c j which reports to go after. anyone else doesn't, that doesn't have the political power that israel does blinks and triple play stuff . or maybe we'll get to a warranty issue. or maybe we'll move to intervene, and biden turns around and he makes a speech. it'll be interesting tonight for him to raise the, the american effort, his effort to try to rain in the end, the jet aside. while he's writing a check daily, which keeps it going, the red line has become a period of dots that doesn't matter what you want to call it. when you've got every day, thousands of women and children and civilians better this place that are targeted veterans passengers that are murdered by and can say, well they will. i'm opposed to this. meanwhile, he's winking, he's fueling the system. and here comes as you started out this,

this particular segment. and here comes nothing yahoo the good standing ovations for what for american dollars to slaughter women disorder children to displace millions to destroy. and as you pointed out, to create a norm this form for the american body politic when it comes to the vision of the world. because we see what's going on in the middle east. we see what's going on elsewhere. and while everyone is apparently focused on all what's, who's meeting with whom, where and when the bombing continues, the funding continues, the difference continues and it's oil at this point. how do i get more votes? and that's what you're going to see tonight. yeah, but a lot like, oh, i know, i can't see how a bite and wins at all. he pays painted himself into such a corner. um, i saw, i think you saw the image when that he was that are fundraiser with a brock obama and brock obama had to leave the past the stage. i was wondering if that's a matter for it's time for you to go. jo, you've served your purpose, go headline and brock obama, by the way, who was the verbally, and if you were to be man handled by mister netanyahu during his visit. but let me

explain another aspect to wait, which, which is so interesting. you know, peter not, you will not have talked about how i am side eating passionately would people who before i guess i told but i just by the i just, there were a massive me to be know. here's something very interesting freeze reason expression, or it is under attack all over the world. very, very briefly, we have this thing on january 6 where people decided to art to, to write it in washington. okay, fine. and they were charged with the dishes conspiracy and rebellious and instruction because they all conspired to interrupt a governmental process, and they were put under the jail and these then these star chambers, okay, fine. when mister netanyahu arrived, you're going to see protested, well, many of them, manned by and led by people who are called left the left, who didn't care about january 6th, who didn't care about it because it applied to donald trump. now they're going to

be reaching out to their brother is across the i always say, wait a minute, you know something about this. is this dishes conspiracy? no, this is a corruption. and the collapse of free speech all over the world where you have to pledge field, teach why? the allergy. and if you were to ever interrupt this, this the spot, you're crushed criminally. there is nothing. i've never seen anything as boys. and as this in my life, either as a lawyer or a competent around the, it's really, i think that we've talked about this before, but it zionism is an ideology, is corrupting all of the west with all of these acts that we're seeing right now. and you know, there people like joe biden, you know, it's difficult to know what he know is these days. but you know, when he says i am as i and this, i wonder what he know what he thinks when he says that, ok, because it has a certain meaning to me and it's about any quality, bigotry, etc, etc. but for him,

it just is real. and that's really damaging. go ahead and room as we have to be to be clear. joe biden has always said, you don't have to be induced to be a zionist, and i am resign. if this is a line that she likes very much, she has repeated that like so many times over the last decades we can say, since she was very young and you are absolutely right, zine, everything is permeating every aspect. i live in europe. i need an entity here. there are, for example, we entirely impose 10 kids, i think kids because they're very young in their early twenties. and they were detained because they were supposedly sharing resistance propaganda material. nobody is talking about that, but this is basically, they are doing so in the name of b is really and the see you need any not to speak about germany today. the news was that

a germany will have an east will lawyer the test to rent the seek of and ship the term and see doesn't ship to the people we are really, you know, crossing every possible line. of course, like as i said before, he bread, democracy wasn't me. that has already been dismantled. i'm speaking for wrong now. and actually i cannot access russia today. i cannot access r t and there has been a wide spread censorship over the last the years at months and years. so yes, there is zionism as a concept as the superiority in a sense of the west. and they don't want to let it go. yeah, stanley, you know, and questioning the israel of the, in the way things are going now, we'll probably see a war against has belie 11 on which nobody knows how that can turn out. it could be a huge regional war. the united states has already pledged how do you want kind of country sense in advance?

you know, we're going to back these guys. okay. but we are here to a to my to rate that is a to so absurd. here we're looking at a, a regional war and it would be very serious if it happened. stanley. well, you know, it's interesting when you, a few moments ago, you referred to, to, to, by the saying, the design has been a proud science, but he's for justice. it reminds me of decades ago when, when biting settings of civil rights act. because when he taught at legislation that ended up sending millions of people who go to prison for non violent defense. so they're just double standard pursuits between do not as i do what just follow what i've set to get back to your, your question about his blow at this point of the world is generating support that's not been seen before and it's appropriate and necessary. so let me see if i understand this, as well as elected as a community in the community. we're not talking about 7000 miles away. we're talking about place level now that has been invaded and multiple occasions. we're

talking about the homeless officer dealer. we're talking about the occupation by israel. we're talking about the use of phosphorus, weapons and cluster bombs in violation of international law. we're talking about is really torture chambers in the south of 11 on which we're talking about israel, which is bombing syria, which is bombing 11 on. so let me see if i understand this, please provide you with the united states are funding genocide on the ground in palestine. you in the united states are every day supporting is really a taps on syria and lebanon and elsewhere. and for those countries on the ground in the region, forget about for the positions the whole, these, the principal position saying we're not going to be silent neighbors. so the neighbors o r c, i mean i'm a provider, i'm afraid i have to, i have to jump in here. we run out of time, we have the hard break here. i want to thank my guess in new york and in rome. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember prospect rolls,

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no one else seemed wrong. just don't the safe house and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the the shafts inside of a screen. the central juma mosque of my hatch, co op, and today we're talking to him on, i'm do a house chairman of them. i had to go a mom counselor. mr. help. thank you for being here with us. we'd really love there to be more joyful reason for our meetings, which we have what we have. please accept our condolences or inforcement officers have been killed and civilians have been killed as well. most themes, jews,