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protesters who are, who are calling for an end to the genocide in gaza. he has been the absolute worst of the democrats. and um, yeah, so it's not supplying money. he would, you know, it's, it's very, very hard to say it. he, he does not seem like she is um, bought and paid for by buy a pack and, and other lobbying groups. that doesn't really seem to be his. his motive, it seems like this is what he genuinely believes. um, is it a political ploy? is it just a question to where his brother bothered possibly, but there hasn't been anything obvious about uh about about anything that he's done . oh, it is a template and that's not just shake on him. but his emblematic of this complete mismatch between the american public opinion in the usa, i'm not even demographic. i think even older americans, although of course younger american, scaly as about palestine. why,
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why is it not shifting the the even the bunny signed is progressive, left let alone the usual suspect in the g o p as well. i think i said it has shifted the progressive left. um and i think we're seeing um quite a bit. and in terms of activity, grassroots activism. certainly, you know, as you pointed out among the younger people, but even older people, the vast majority of democrats, i at this point want to see fire and guys, an unconditional ceasefire, an end to israel's aggression. that is what democrats want right now, and that, those across the board, and of course, did they care enough, but did they care enough that linda thomas greenville veto deceased by twice was it when the orders are by the administer debt? well, what you're describing, there's a difference between what democrats and i'm talking about voters, regular citizens want and what the, by the ministration watts. and that has been
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a disconnect from day one long before october 7th, that has been a disconnect biden has largely continued republican policies when it comes to the entire middle east and especially in palestine. and that became even more of a break after october 7th. so you have the time to see that you have actually blink going around the world covering for israel's lives. we've seen this recently with the, with the so called serious fire proposal that bite and presented as israel's own plan. and which is ro rejection. how boss is accepted and ad blinking is going around the world saying it's how boss is the only thing is that is standing in the, in the way of a ceasefire happening now, which is just an outright lie. so that disconnect is very, very strong between the administration and the democratic voters. i think it largely comes from ideological meanings. i believe that joe biden on this issue, although in many issues, he's a consummate politician. i think on this issue. if he's a, just a true believer,
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he is just somebody who is going to back israel regardless of if you lose the election of over it. so the, i think that is how strong his conviction is. in terms of this i, i don't know why he's quite that passion to that right. have you so i don't know the man because people i'm saying is the money. you know, i mean the rubber f k junior similarly, you know, for negotiations on ukraine. similarly, this bizarre view of uh, the middle east, obviously, completely not reading your work. i spoke with the send to r a k jr. you get the strange policy musicians and donald trump, of course, who is backed by the widow of sheldon adults. and you might have to tell us, i mean you're saying they believe this stuff and it's not just the money. and i realized physically, i think by believe this stuff i should be very clear, biden, i think is a true believer. i think most politicians don't really care, and yes, it is politically much, much easier road to just support israel. there is
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a lot of money involved. there's also a lot of politics involved. there's also a lot of, frankly, racism involved israel, although the majority of his relatives are not white, is really, is a, is perceived as if it is a european country in many ways. you also have the biblical and the question, uh, uh, sort of founding in israel and those beliefs that also help bolster it but, but that there is also a strong element of anti or racism that, that contributes to that. so there's, there are a lot of reasons i think for it body is certainly a big one. i don't think it's the, it's the deciding factor with biden, as far as trump trumps party is completely committed to is or i'm in that that goes from the people in washington to the vast majority of the voters. his base is largely made up of christian and ben gallegos who will support his role regardless of what he taps. well i'm going $11000000.00,
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i guess. going to open the open secrets as that struck nothing. and as for the progressives, i mean, you never hear a oh, see, one to round talking about genocide every day. i mean, i've seen footage of people trying to confront her over that. but let's go to the war expanding then. and what is your fear about it? expanded because some people say there's no way is really going to try it on up to being defeated by lebanese resistance so many times before. and the fact that a lebanese resistance, if they can't even be tomas and guys, they're not going to be able to pete lebanese resistance. it can flatten tell of even 5 minutes as well. i think there's a lot of, i think there's a lot of merit to that thinking. on the other hand, this is really government is completely out of control. and one of the problems that we face is that this far right is really government knows it's not going to be in power forever. and they have long believed that what israel needs to do is, is completely step out of all the resistance to it throughout the region. and that
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particularly includes the palestinians and has, by the, in the north that has been their plan and they want to basically find a way to confront around and take, make it so that there is no, there's no threat. they want to do that. however, without in any way giving rights to palestinians that sort of belie, that the is rarely right is trying to do is trying to walk. of course, that's impossible unless you go into all out war. i think this would be a fatal mistake for israel. if they did that, because and, and his bella has made it clear their capabilities are not the same as they were in 2006. when israel already bit off more than it could you in that war and ended up, you know, it finally gets a really set back in terms of its security doctor. and the region now has bullet, can reach everywhere and is 0. there's no way for his rally citizens to go that they can avoid his bella attacks any more than let them use citizens kind of void israeli attacks. so that's a, that is
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a whole new ball game. and i think that there are rational minds in israel that are say, we should not do this and certainly be united states. on the one hand, the united states is coming out and saying we will back is rel, whatever they do. because that is their political doctrine. but the military leaders are saying, what we did a few, a few weeks back when iran, you know, launched all those missiles towards israel and us and other countries intercepted them before they ever got into his early territory. we can't do that with, as well as bella is right on your board. if they launch the missiles, we're not going to be able to do anything to help you stop them. and they have enough missiles to overwhelm israel's empty muscle capabilities. so you don't want to, to get into this is kind of what the american military leaders are telling israel. while the political leaders are saying, well back to you, if you do. so this had, this is a recipe for serious disaster all around. but let's face it, israel is more than capable of devastating 11. i'm, which is already, i mean,
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just economically and then after the explosion that all the things that have happened to in recent years is already in a horrible state. is that just devastated by the now we know this, but the thing is now that can happen also in the reverse. that means that it can escalate to a regional war really quickly involving many yeah, many uh, malicious and involving your on. this is a nightmare scenario. that israel should avoid, but this government is really determined to try and prove the theory that they have had for decades. that through military might, they can smash all of their opponents. yeah. but why that is political? i'm quoting on name sources in the, by the ministration saying whole try and get the message through to live in these resistance. lead is as well or, and so on that uh, the united states con, we may be funding it sending all the weapons to that. and, you know, but we have no control of out of the weapons used, and that we couldn't stop them if they wanted to level be root and other cities in
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lebanon, or because i think that's the case. i mean, i think the united states knows this would be disastrous. look, they, they, the, were on it as a, has been disastrous. nobody is winning through this israel. these are unhappy in any stream copies surgery. see what it's under palestinians whose de nobody's name by them is getting politically destroyed and yet they can stop it at any time just by cutting off the weapons. they're not going to cut off weapons sales to is route even if it does a tax has about uh, an in and started full scale war. that's the message that they're sending. they're not going to stop the, the trying to tell the israelis not to do that. and i think i think that's, you know, this is just another example of the solution is and political power just of the, by the ministration. they know what the right thing is, but they will not do it. richard, but i think i'll stop you the more from the president of rethinking foreign policy after this break the
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hello and welcome to cross the full force. here we discuss the wheel in the credit. so that was the point. oh, it's a good deal that showed us because a couple of people literally for the bonus plus
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we sort of loose and for some reason we're going to know you know, what else about the future? just about richard. but the more stress room does it deal to deal with that we're going to the was the
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the the, the, the the welcome back to go to the underground. i still here with the co author of except for palestine. the limits of progressive politics, metro, protect, mitchell, we were talking about the, the, by the ministrations responds to any expanded war in lebanon. in fact, they said,
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according to one name sources in us media, they would continue to, um, is reality. if we decide to go north in that way, but who is this on boy a bite? and then lebanon pictured the aimless, hot stein. i mean is even american because he served in the uh, is there any occupation forces in a tank just like the tanks we can see motoring, childrens sending cells to slice of the heads of babies in garza. that is the us on void deliberate. yeah, um the customer, as i understand it is a dual citizen. uh so he has both is really an american citizen show denies being a dual citizen. now he's fully america. i, it may have renounced his is rarely citizenship or he may have um, uh, volunteered as some americans to just volunteer to the idea of um, you know, years ago he did broker and agreement with the lebanese government about the,
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the gas fields in the mediterranean. but both sides claim that it was actually a pretty good deal and it, it avoided some potential tensions um, and she is somebody to bite, absolutely trust. so um, but again, like, you know, like most us on boys to the region. he is somebody who will put israel's interest very much frontier in the is really all me. right. it's, i mean it's like i'm surprised who i'm surprised. i who do the medium baby presumably he doesn't read. they can sit as well or a terrorist organization despite having members of parliament and babies. he can't talk that he can't talk directly to, to anyone who has bella, but he can of course, and he has relationships with people and lebanese government. and he can, through those channels, are indirect talks with his bella leaders much the same way as the american government does with the, with how must they do the same thing. they said we can talk,
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we will not talk to terrorist, etc, etc. so they talk to intermediaries, whether those be contrary, whether those be power stay and so that they talk through 3rd parties. to my mind, that's just all the, all the charade. and i think it's silly, and i think it is kind of productive. but that's unfortunately how i have diplomacy works. do you think they understand that completely last? not just the are a big power boiled from the atlantic to the pacific. but the whole of the global south to the by the ministrations policies as regards the jettas and guys of have destroyed us prestige. what was that have to with for decades to go? yeah, i think this is very unfortunate. and we, again, as, as i pointed that number of times a bite and in many ways has unfortunately continued to trump legacy, even though he ran rat. yeah, his whole election campaign was based on the idea that he was going to clean up
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trump mess basically, especially on foreign policy. he's a is certainly in the middle east. he has done the exact opposite. he has continued . trump's fail policies and really very much contradicted and gone against what little progress had been made by brock obama in terms of rebuilding southern trust in the united states. uh well, i'm not sure about obama, or i think the butcher of libya, i think is obama absolutely do that, but there was definitely a big as i said, some trust obama and every american president has had terrible policies in the middle east. nobody's had a girl where the abraham accord. there wasn't any kind of genocide on this scale in gaza and there was no war. and you're a bunch of trump. you don't have to support donald trump to see how it will have. it won't be able to have of course i would, i would argue the abraham, of course, and in great measure led to lead to hamas having no choice really.
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but to do what they did on october 7, maybe not the way they did it, but certainly uh, if it was the threat of all of the arab states, completely abandoning the policy. yeah. but i think just the side effects would be a rab accords. um v and continuing that was saudi arabia was one of the things that basically box them into a corner and said if we're going to go county really saudi arabia, charlotte rudnick center, we have to do something. ok. lisa ad uribe is not listening to anything. joe biden says at the moment they won't even cut the oil, oil supplies, but by the ministration officials of wanted them to you know, we had a full engagement, officially new crane gun was a board on here. and he was saying the other week people can what's your interview with him? he, he was actually in the swiss army. previously, he was saying they won't use these writing. these won't use the nuclear weapons provided to them by the united states, i guess on guys, because uh,
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they already have plans to settle gods, and that would pollute the ground there. what about lebanon? what do you understand about the use of nuclear weapons that to israel my to employ in the whitening conflict? well, there's always, you know, when you use nuclear weapons in the short range is always a great danger to yourself, right? so that is always something that you have to consider and, and is the last is right. i don't think israel is, is likely to ever use nuclear weapons unless it feels like it's about to lose a major, you know, major war. in which case, i think all bets are off and but i lost, you're going to love it and before yeah, but now i'm not talking about a defeat pushed back of their invasion. i'm talking about something that actually would threaten them in, in a, in a fundamental way, which at this point at least i don't think has below, is going to do. so i don't know that they're capable of it, even if they were, i don't think they would want to take that on. um, but uh, so i think the,
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the nuclear issue i think is not the major focus. and i don't think that's necessarily what we need to be concerned about. i'm much more worried about what is or i will do with the tons and tons and tons of bombs that the united states send them on a regular basis. and what that will do to, to all of the webinar i a country that is on the print, as it is a, after everything they have been through these last, you know, these last certainly the last few years, the, the, the shattered economy, the big explosion at the port, all these things that have happened there. i'm much more concerned about the use of conventional or relatively conventional weapons 11 out of what back can do then and nuclear weapons, which i think doesn't really make sense for me. israel's point of view for them to use, well, you can probably see your legacy media there in the united states salivating of a war on that one and all ready. we were to be back congress being out of step with
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the population of the united states. you'll meet here is another thing, and organizations like the anti defamation league, just very briefly explain who they are. what do you think should happen to groups like the id defamation league that are clearly a cheering on the genocide at the moment in gaza as well? the anti defamation, the as more than say, a century old, they are a sensitively and claim to be a civil rights organization that primarily focuses on at this time. it isn't but also in other kinds of races. that's what they say. they are in fact, but they do is protect israel at all costs and they do, they do do some other things that make it complicated in this country to explain to people what their real you know, how, how deeply imbedded with is riley apartheid and genocide that they are um, so that is that's, that's kind of a subject. they have a long history of working with the united states government against progressive
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activists, including back in the eighty's, a major scandal where they were found to have been spying on a anti apartheid in south africa, the south african apartheid anti apartheid activists in the united states and can in cooperation with the united states government. so uh this is, this is who they are. um and what they do is they dominate in many ways the discourse around israel, around jews in the united states. and turn all criticism of israel into anti services, which is what they claim it is. and it's a very powerful tool, frankly, this works very well. i'm, is it really difficult to challenge as rarely policy here in the united states. because you're immediately call that the semitic, including your jewish, like myself, and add it. it makes it very, very complicated. and typically you end up having to defend yourself against those charges expressed on that subject. i mean that's the only way we have jeremy call been on this row and he ended up with ended up folding and sacking people on the on
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the spurious to and to see my grounds. what was it like working is we you as office of or it is really n g o bet, sell them up on the which we, we, we live so much for so much data provide to human rights abuses. so in, in washington, you personally, because on the one hand you're given is riley. and joe's e commerce accused, i don't think i can even accuse and moving. i designers. and at the same time, presumably with being accused of being ad you submitted. i am. yeah, actually they have no, but those are good, southern and other is rather human rights organizations are demonized as after somebody that can certainly have happy israel all the time varying israel within israel and here in the united states they are that's. that is how again, that's how pro israel forces operate. they, they don't actually, i mean, they can't win on the substance, right? you can't argue that what's happening to palestinians is, is not,
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not happening to palaces. we could all see it now. you know, years ago they could argue, now that's not true, this isn't happening. everybody can see it on their phones now. so instead of arguing with the substance you argue by saying, well, any criticism is simply anti israel. i just submitted that to you know, that you, you, you, you produce ad hominem attacks and what it was like for me working for. but 7 was that actually was kind of interesting as it has been. and the other drives i've had here in the washington area. you know, you talk to people in congress, they know what's going on. you talk to the staffers. i mean, the members of congress may not know, but the people and the staff know the people in the state department know, they don't like the policies that were pursuing, they feel boxed in again by the pro israel lobbying forces. they feel like politically they have no room to maneuver and when they feel like they can't do something, for example, people who the state department have usually had some more freedom. but now with
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the secretary of state who is lying and covering up everything he can to in the service of israel trying to cover every single is rarely crime and make excuses for them. and literally telling people to shut their mouths when they are saying this policy is wrong. that's why you're now finding the same people quitting this administration of every going to look for their poses powers of palestine policy. yeah, we'll just find me very briefly then can you understand why given the, the circle progressive now support genocide. today, the democrats are closely linked to genocide. we never used to use the word genocide of the tv program as freely as we do today. just very briefly, you can understand why trump is benefiting and why african americans, latino. good. and people who consider themselves profile as time would consider that anything is better than supporting a president. that's how under whom it was under it. the genocide was under his name
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. there are a lot of people here in this country who are very, very scared and rightfully so, of what a new a next trump administration might be. and those people have been leaving that with, by the said, look, even if you don't care about palestinian lives, even if you have don't value them. even if you're that much of a racist don't hand trump, the white house with these policies. people have been trying that she won't listen to anything. and yeah, people are very, very, very worried about this. very concerned about it. and certainly people who, who support palestinian rights are looking at business saying, where do we turn? you know, trump, i is certainly not. we can talk about other issues, but certainly on this one, trump is awful biden is just as bad in if, if not even worse in the, in certain ways. so yeah, it is a very, very big challenge here in the united states as to what to do and it, i, you know, i certainly am i others i've made many points about why by the should change this
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policy just documented on, on human grounds. but if he just doesn't care about that, then you should be changing it because you're going to lose the election over it. oh sir, that's as i said, that's a slave. well, there is deal sign of course that mutual pay big. thank you. and that's it for the show of continued condolences to those bereaved by u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide will be back on a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch by on social media. if it's nonsense and you'll country and to a channel going underground tv on rumble, don't come to it. you know, the episodes of going undergrad. so you said the
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the of the hello and welcome to the prospect bullhorn time peter a little. here we discuss some real news. the american presidential debates, demonstrated job. i'm is unfit to continue in office. the question arises and as to who is in charge of 2 major military conflicts, also will elections in france and the u. k. change the course of neo liberalism to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess towards samuel we in budapest. he is a pod cast throughout the goal, which can be found on youtube and locals in america. yes, we have martin j e as an award winning journalist and commentator, i.

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