as i know is the thing propagandists and they type and the proxy war in ukraine since february 2022. and a i'm was targeting a number of people that i need, including journalists and academics and activists who were opposed to the proxy will. and these lead email showed that he was towards making his activities and coordination. so he was coordinating his activities with a, a british intelligence officer linked to my, my 6th, um, uh so i mean, the public's interest in reporting on the seemed like pretty clear. i've then subsequently received an email from a previous detective inviting me cool daily to an interview in london. what did they do? they did. and how did you said they fingerprinted? you take took your dna and that also says dory or electronic equipment, right? yeah, and so effect would be august thoughts under legislation, which is called the 2019 counterterrorism and board direct which effectively creates suspicion was crying. so the wording is orwellian and

disturbing the vague. so it states that you can be suspected of working in the interupt tress of a hostile foreign power without knowing you all and without the phone and how and whose interest you were operating, knowing you are ease. it's quite some conspiracy. when conspiracy is don't know that that conspiring and so uh the oh yeah, i was subject to dna swab. so i was told by counts terry officer with a sick northern irish jackson which gives you some indication of, of his professional background. and what he was getting up to him during the troubles quite some quite so the, the if my dna wasn't found on a, on, on an i r e d in afghanistan, it would be deleted within 6 months, which, you know, wasn't particularly reassuring. and i was forced to hand over the pos passwords and pin cards to my son cards to my digital devices. and if i refused,

i would have interested to cooperate. yes. so i decided to cooperate because i felt, well, i have nothing to hide just by how to ones that i was almost an extensive questions about my personal and professional background, my personal life. why i right. say in think this things to do and, and then i was that was more general that would very, very specific questions about the grazing and it was, it was clear that this was that, that, that the, the tools for us of their interest and the great zone is an independent investigative site in united states, right. that should work for you right for. yeah. yeah. well, i mean i, i run the, the u. k, division of whatever the task will do in a way of price on a shoe string because we are independent and reject. cool. the interested in the gray zone, the need. anything related to belgrade? yeah. and they, they didn't have any they, i mean they wanted to know why lift and said yeah, what did you say?

all right, well, i said um, cuz uh, because, uh it, well i, i stated that i loved the people. i loved the culture and loved the history and the fits pretty good too. and they take that for a reason. yeah. they, they accepted that, although i think that they, it was very, very clear that they found everything about me intensely suspicious. so they all asked me specifically what, how and why i got into writing about national security issues. but also, um why i wrote about the british government. i mean, it seemed quite a strange concept to them that you would criticize your own government, which i think speaks volumes about that this fact it's on the well, but yeah, the, the, the, they were the so interest was the grazing and why i writes the particular things that i do for them they, they prefer the initially stated that they were interested in every wet this i rightful, but then it, they didn't ask one question about the crate where i'm a regular countries again and, and in the attendance. news results focused on west asia. they didn't asked about

minute press news if i've even referred to it once. they just been impressive site and then there were a large number of questions about my reporting on a, a, a, a cool filing which i did 2 of the 911 hijackers at least 2 of them were working for the ceo. yeah, they were very interested in not one of them that slip, that he a good at one of the office. i might add the i was not allowed to learn the names. they were, they always give them that co sign. so it was like b one and a 2 um and uh at one stage they would, the female offices seem to get what her and co sign was, which was quite phosphor. um but, but yeah, and there were lots of questions about russia and my whether i passed sending you an eruption intelligence officials and had regular contact with them to which the on so was of course no. and the also as a completely new to chris question about whether the greys and had

a formal agreement with the speed to publish hacked information, which i kind of that spluttering. the said no, because it was just such a bizarre, all the line of inquiry. and then i was asked why i responded the way decided why was i so size? and so they apparently don't understand how jen was and was, you know, how they say it has a chilling effect. young people who practice your life that did it. yeah. well, actually, and is i mean on or on, on that subject versus government has now paused, is even more horrifying legislation for the national security act, which creates all sorts of new criminal offenses. and like the legislation in which i was detained and interrogated and has very vague a concourse perplexing language. where it states that, well we can, some can be convicted of working for a far an intelligent service without prove without diversity state needing to prove

what for an intelligent service that working for. ringback or that someone can be convicted for receiving a quote and quite benefits from a intelligent service. without that benefit being defined, my overall tape is the, this is effectively creating a, a frame. what web i, literally, anyone can be prosecuted for any reason. it's just the mattress who they choose to prosecute, and i'm imagine, i imagine that they're all mainstream john. this will not be affected by this formation when he comes home loans option for here. right? oh, tell me what kinds of things are the government for example, i've noticed and i'm and i'm not knowledgeable and the role of intelligence services. so i've noticed that you have it made it a habit of saying and by the way, alicia kerns, i think she's an am i 6 agent. mm hm. and by the way, our former ambassador in scope, yet when you look at what she has done, there are

a lot of things that make me believe that she has been a lifetime and my 6th member there are these the kinds of things that upset yes, absolutely. and i think the, the president has, and this is level 9 done and i, outside the country has the probably the most pervasive. and i'm under kind of in the system of state secrecy and perhaps the, well, the, the, i mean stephanie in the west and well and they're all in it for, for, for very long time. the government has had a very effects, very effective, direct and indirect means. of censoring and dictating what does and doesn't get reported on. so there is a very little 9 ministry of defense body known as the d. s. m a committee. this is the defense and security media advisory committee is quint essentially british, which is to say, gentlemanly and dishonest. so it's run out of the ministry of defense uninstalled

by military and intelligence veterans, but it claims to be independent of government and what it convenes. regular meetings between major editors of u. s. as imagining these papers met, members of pressure associations and arranges tours for them around the offices of that my 6 and g c h q. it's great to kind of tell me um, crony type relationship between mainstream john this and the security and intelligence services. but it also does as well, is it routine the issues? what's known as the notes? this is which effectively means do not publish notices. so if they feel a story is about to break, which contains information they don't, once in the public domain, they write to john, listen editors and say, would you be, please be, that's a good sports. and not mentioned this person's name or this bits of information. how are they goods for the and invariably uh it doesn't get reported on

it says bowling, treat quite some quotes, but behind that people know that that will be consequences if they don't. you know this heavily censored media, this is not the image. we have a united kingdom even deserves who are not too fond of the way the u. k. has handled what's what's your professional and personal background? i mean, how did you turn out the way you did? because most of your colleagues, you do not have to go through. so this kind of treats no, well. busy i mean, i think i'm, if you have any understanding of how the british private school system and the lee university system, what it is, a very effective means of turning out and uh on questioning. so vile a fascist believes effectively. who then, yes, they are taught to crave power to face power to love power. and then these people

in very the end up in positions of power. and that perspective, that for then shape the world around the, in the, pretty much the entirety of the british media is comprised of people who went to a lead british private schools to get up the intelligence services. likewise, the minute treat. likewise, governments, likewise, it's a very specific club which the average person is complete, the shots household. and so no, um, yes, knowing how the system operates and knowing how actually talks it can crisis is it does give you a desire and drive and the kind of practical framework to challenge it, which they really don't like. so how does bell grades become your safe haven? um, well, i've been living in london for 30 years,

which is longer than anyone she lives in that city. i'm a very rare example of someone who was actually born that and that the as far as for a transients made up of people from the home counties these days. but in fact, i began traveling through eastern europe regularly and largely because it was cheap uh which london says to me isn't. and um i, uh, i very much kind of identified with the people, you know, pots of gold, hard as nails and ios and the like. when i, i went to, when i came to sub. yeah, it was a real kind of through the looking glass of my experience, me because i'm old enough to remember the criminal destruction of you can solve you and all of the relentless media type, something for nato to kill sides. and the, and the relentless demonize ation of savvy, or, and his people as a nation of genocidal a ball barrick savages. and i was actually confronted with the most the kindest,

most courteous and welcoming people i've ever met. and, and, and i realize that the numerous number of things that i believed about the well, well, completely untrue. and it was, it was quite liberating, actually. and i might had this, this propaganda runs very deep. i have friends in the u. k who are scheduled to visit me here. uh, i had 2 friends of friends of mine visited me recently when they told people they were visiting. so it'd be the morning's not to go head they would say would they would told they would they, they would, they were extremely nervous about coming and they themselves had a lot of that pre existing deceptions, child challenged. so yeah, and i see, i see i, i think that what was interesting as well was when i got stopped in, um uh uh, uh, the case that was an enormous amounts of sympathy for,

for me. but also there was a large number of main stream brushes pundits to what did the national union and a journalist if i right. well they issued a statement in my defense and then promptly deleted this off to post, right? yes. off of intensive public pressure that to do so, and it's like that the, the site that we're a large number of mainstream kind of narrative managers who what, what justifying what happens me, what at denying that i was a john less than suggesting that i was something something else, something raw the dock up and the effectively yes, painting me is as a, as a likely credit like criminal and traits up to my country. and the reaction in serbia was like pretty much universal outraged. and the, the, the press associations here, what it will absolutely furious political, a policies, what issued statements. and so the guarantee with me,

what's global britain, what's, i mean from, from reading declassified files from reading things if people drop off to degrees. so the greys on, sorry, what's what it, what it, what is it that it's not on the surface? yeah, sure. so i mean, global breton formerly is on assets to and that promotes and that, that you to know, economic conflicts, correlations with threats and across the region level, se, assisting the, the, the components of the former yugoslavia into a e u nathan membership. the u. k. obviously having itself left the he rather rather contradict totally but um yes, beneath the surface it's very, very clear from the like neat files that we've received at the grace and it's true

purpose is considerably more sinister. and this is about feeling government's security service is made, it treats with hon. picked hungry and british assets. it's about a opening up um uh, it's a each nomic markets, the british penetration and domination. and um, uh, yeah, if the politicians stand in the way of brits and then they ought to be neutralized and breast and has a number of mechanisms for doing this. one of the key methods is by quite some quite promoting independent media. and while i'm, we're about to publish a story on both and insights and that well known c i a propaganda ref thoughtful. where there was the, the lack of self awareness at lee in the lead documents is, is quite remarkable. it talks about how there is a need for breton to count a question quite states capture of the media in the balkans. apparently it's ok for it to be captured by britain,

but not by who has national governments and so on. and the explicit purpose is to quite some, quite hold individuals and organizations and governments. the person con, britson doesn't like to capitalize. com. yes, i wish i could turns is still right until the election ahead of the form from the fast misfiring family. yes. yeah. as you imply that she was trying to mount, i've forgotten the exact phrase because it's i meant was, well, yeah, for mentor to, to, to, to get person to actually do something here at that would be quite my level. and now is she, is she for real? i mean, can you explain the phenomena of alicia kinds of yes. well i'm gonna think preventive . she went through this is her name worth remembering?

is she going to disappear in this election and services lose power? or is she going to, to stay interested? what's your sense of her interested in the reach? it's important to understand that the, the british, the, the more the folks who are in ukraine is a product of british intelligence. it is something that they actively wanted and were pushing forward. there was an organization called the institute, the state crossed, which 10 years ago published an essay on its website, stating we need to dig through magic the isolate russia. we need to demonize russia in an ad in western countries. and this, this will create the foundations of will, of the old fashioned sort which the west and britain will win. okay. so russia was drawn into intervening in ukraine due to the uh, the, the attacks on its russian speaking population, which was, uh and, uh,

yeah, uh the, uh, the full front of this was the same people who, 10 years ago advocating for will with russia and the to say the least, it's not going very well from the west perspective. britson has tried to escalate this as, as much as possible. they were behind the tough thing since the blowing up catch bridge, and that they have desperately sought to counter us reluctance for this to become without war. which i think the recent green light thing as it strikes on russia by western countries as a result of breakfast, pressure and lobbying and help to repeat this 1st piece. negotiation. yeah. and they sabotaged the peace negotiations in april 2022 the the it and so, and i think that because it's coming so by the end because of the risk of the us stepping back from this because for all of its for breast and,

and delusion of the us imperial brain for us on the stands, but this is an unwinnable cause my and actually it's not was bankrupting themselves . and the middest rising themselves by providing what is their equipment and i munition to ukraine because rushes not gains back down. so in that context, britson is, is desperate because it's a relevance internationally is entirely contingent on the entirety contingent on the us and site. and it's is very, very the elements within british intelligence who are desperate to open the 2nd front in the proxy bull and the bulk. and that's within the bulk. yes and the, but the vulcans would be, was not really well. what would the buttons is it? but the, um, this, this would be an app, so the ideal 5th to draw the us into. now you folks bear in mind, the british has been stirring up trouble in both of you. and in response to the end result, you don't see the tension that this is, this is course, pressing his son,

tens of thousands of so of course, and quite peacekeepers into boston, yet due to the alleged stress of russian aggression. yet this is brittany who has invited the country in cost of the scores of british, again, quite some quite peacekeepers. dotted around dotted around the province. well, one stripe trigger, pull away from pull it out. well. now if you want to expand the proxy war and keep the us in, what might you do not seem to be very much what alicia kinds was doing was important to bear in mind that the intelligence services are effectively low and government onto themselves. and they frequently act in ways to talk concrete, to, uh, the, the, the form of the table structure. so for instance, in, during the 19 ninety's during the was in, in the former yugoslavia, britain was adamantly opposed to intervention to the extent that they were big to conflict with the uh, the clinton white house. meanwhile, m,

i 6 was closing on the se, ask, it seems because you absolutely have a composing it and, and encourage should to, on the, i mean, throughout the 1991, george bush senior was desperately trying to keep the site. you need to complete and stuff. it breaks up i, i'm an assist. it's a re imagining is the commonwealth of independent states and foods key. i have to give a speech about how you know, ukraine and rusher are. uh, you know, as one, the one nation and people. and meanwhile the c i, a in any d was, was they were doing everything in their power to break up the safety unions. they feed the, the, the deep states frequently at a country to the wishes and wells, all of the states. how are we to distinguish between like in, in united states, you can pretty much see that it's in your times get some and this seekers

information and publish it. and if the news at any of the white house, and there's a start screaming bloody murder and starting an investigation into who was the, who leaked the information, then you can pretty much figure out the white house wanted yes, the information to end up in the new york times, right? but what do we do in the, in the u. k? well, i mean, i say, i mean it's, it's remarkable at how rally the, the, the, the agencies lead. and then the, when, when they do, once in a blue moon, it's similarly targeted. and it's again, it's a way of them shaping what isn't, isn't in the public. i made them the, i mean, for instance, it's been rather forgotten now, but like that, believe it was last year. the times newspaper published based on leaks, records of how and my 6 is running an isis asset who ended up killing members of

design. some, it was quite failing and on the hinged individual, but they kept running him and giving him money and direction. and that was no doubt leaks to get rid of who ever allowed this to happen for, you know, internal reasons, maybe some of them is off of that job. you know, it's a, i think we should always, when things get get published a the appear to be based on inside the sources or an or insider information which it, we have to understand. well they won't this in the public domain. and the reason isn't the actual thrust of the article. so to give you an example, new york times recently published a revealed in an exclusive expos, a how british and american intelligence officials were active in intel, aviv, assisting these railways in hostage rescue and tracking down how mass. because that doing this, the goodness of the hearts, of course, because they want will stop and they won't be coming to stop. so that's why they

are conflicts it directly in because the genocide is because they want less people to die. and the, the i might small is, is the reason that this was published is it's about normalizing direct, british and american involvement on, in, in the world. particularly as israel gives up for conflict with hezbollah, our 11 on which is the rule that they cannot win. and they've already lost in effect. and so that obviously going to need british and american soldiers on the ground. and this is, this is laying the foundations for that. i find that it's dangerous and somehow very bad to amplify correct information. you can get slapped with a different punishment if you have amplified something and even, and the, and it's, it's like another way of saying don't you the air quotes this. yeah. and is, but now they don't say don't you? they're closed as they say, don't you?

there and i'm fine. yeah, but it's so, i mean, a quote was quite remarkable. and i published from my, from my website. my website was just kicks, i'm back, i'll come imaginatively the i published an investigation to have a c i n m, i say expected isis. and this was based on publicly available information, declassified documents, etc. and almost immediately, i mean, just close the base of the sensation when i, when i, when i dropped it and, and almost immediately people started reportings to me. they've been banned from facebook for sharing it because it was produced by a quote unquote, dangerous individual. this is a designation that facebook usually applies to people who have been involved in my shootings and all the, the risk incidents like that. but they apply that to me for the crime, investigative journalism. a friend of mine who runs a very popular independence, the new site council, the state media, and he shared it on his page, which had, i think it was 4050000 likes. um, he was

a band and he was forced to remove the content. and he was told that facebook would now what from that one would forever algorithmically the boost attempt to prevent any one seeing his pace organically. so that for just destroying his page out, right. um yeah, i mean that's quite frightening, but i was going to get on to the the 2nd source of, of almost as optimism is the repressive power structures reach that most repressive when i'm on the verge of collapse. and it's like when, when you can't control people with a brain washing and propaganda unemployed like social control, then you reach for the friendship. but this is almost invariably, when they are on the verge of types of collapse and meet, you know, i mean in the u. k. the, you, you, you call in for people anymore. they realize they're living in a sick, the collapsing society of 90 percent of people are dissatisfied in what 12 percent

of people believe that mainstream political part these represent pump the public's views. and these are statistics which points to a looming resolution the the on the, on the see, the sofa, the somebody how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and military equipments through a little bit of boston low cream and maybe over one uses them a low grade level, nominal facility, or some of those other slash we. i'm about the easiest student meals. so let us

know, and we'll have an easy, some better number, but a sort of wellness that will kind of the piece that have gone on the level. why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world? to turn this country into a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them occasionally use that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell weapons. yes, we're also known in the world as items dealers that we must not be ashamed of that the

the, what is part of the, the employee would post that isn't the, the place you of us and that in the word part is it something deeper, more complex might be present there. let's stop without collisions. let's go to the product. as a what else? seemed wrong? just don't have to shape out the application and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground,

the the it is breaking news if it's our head live on all change, the national entity government protests kicking off right now in kenya. the police guiding the main gates to the state house has gas is deployed to keep the crowds at bay right there in the nation's capital region. way above russian forces, groups recreate in front floods and kept as well from territory along the border. ukraine, whose marshal tremendous amounts of material results is non power as rough and forces continue advancing all along the front lines in the ukraine, complex tabs and bind how is running. so a lot of that is now mobilized over $3000.00 prisoners to fill the gap. our release today indicates that there were no charges against us. there was torture on

a daily basis.