desperately want him to step down. so there is definitely a battle going on in the democratic party, whether the republicans take advantage of this or another party takes advantage of us and tries to get it by a candidate. we'll see. trump will have, we'll use this opportunity, i'm sure to, to butchers his campaign, but the fact remains on the jump. ivan is not fit to run the country. what are you hearing? is that people are wondering, who's really running with century and who's democratic, who's diplomatic policies are going to be long lasting. so why are you going to do, you know, talk about diplomatic futures of packages and working with other countries. if the leader is not functioning properly right now, the pregnant registration is complete just to read. it's disorganized and this is very hawkers people right at the top are being distracted even away from that because of this moment in history. what box the, the best our you can get for the details of the original following on

r t dot com by down the the, this is a daily show and we called no punches and we try to be different. and every day we hear more and more of you are watching the show and you're like it. thank you. here we go. troop um, number one, a former white house adviser says us a gemini is real and it's aimed at russia to pump number 2. the economist describes what new us russian relations could have been. a trip bomb number 3, comparing us treatment of poland and russia,

and asking why i'm rick sanchez. this is direct impact the so we find this conversation fascinating enough to share it with you and joining me to share it with you is of these 2 gentlemen. the gentleman that you see right there is a doctor of what are you a doctor of political science doctor of political science. thank you. wilmer leon also politic. busy analyst and commentator garland nixon gentlemen, thank you so much for being here. all right, so i am sure you guys both know jeffrey sachs, right? jeffrey sachs, award winning economist, etc, etc. it's really a smart, smart guy, very experienced,

used to be invited all the time as an expert on cnn and nbc and other networks. you would see him there explaining things. he was also an advisor to many us presidents and others and government until recently, when they decided they did not like him anymore. and they didn't want you to hear what he has to say. so. busy want you to listen to his explanation of the relationship between russia and the united states. how it went south and why he thinks it could have been different. by the way. it's also an explanation of why he's no longer p goodbye there. not any of those shows. here we go. after the end of the soviet union, we thought, hey, we're pretty good work. we're the sole superpower. we're. we're, we're the most powerful country on the planet by fire. in a world history, we can do pretty much what we want and that it really was the view in both

political parties. so it's not really a partisan thing. it is what we call a neoconservative thing. it was the idea that hey we, we can walk who we want when we want, whether it's saddam hussein or moammar gadhafi. we can stick it to the platinum or pull the that we are the united states of america. and a, we acted on that we had to remember cheney and rumsfeld in that crowd. well, we have them in both parties. we, we have victoria new went in in this administration, who was out there helping to over throw a pro russian president of ukraine in 2014. and now she's the under secretary of state for political affairs. so we have these new kinds, cool, se compromise. are you kidding? we're the united states. and since we think we're so powerful, well, we're and a half down is that that's great. syria, iraq, libya, ukraine. oh, so successful,

and i say, are you shipping my whole life? i, you know, i was born a long time ago and 1954. i grew up in the vietnam war period, and it wasn't just vietnam. it was cambodia, louse vietnam. i went through the controls and nick arrived while i went through afghanistan and the 1st garage for the 2nd to arrive for the c i a operation to over throw. bashar alo saw the, the nato operation to overdraw lower market. dopy. now it'd be, i, us roll and over throwing victory on a co bridge, the pro russian ukrainian president in 2014 this expansion of nato being tried right now. i just think to work more powerful. but is this really good for the united states is really working. i and my answer is no, it's not working well. and most of all, when i said last year,

look, the red line is, don't expand nato. and immediately the white house said, oh no one tells us what to do. least of all russia and i called the white house. and i said, you know, you should listen. do not put russia if do not put ukraine. get into this situation . you will make ukraine, the afghanistan of europe, and by that i mean a perpetual war. and leveling these cities in ukraine is we're watching right now. and millions of people without heat and electricity. when we say our winning come on, we're not winning. this is not the right way to behave. and he said this a while ago and there's so much to, to on there. and it's fascinating the thing that what he's basically saying is right after the soviet union came apart, we had an immense opportunity to be able to build something with the russian federation. and instead we decided, no,

we have to continue to be enemies with them. and i mean, here's a guy who was an audit, here's a guy who was in these discussions. it's fascinating. and one of the major things, particularly what as a soviet union was collapsing, the united states saw itself more as a voucher. and that he could go in and just pick the financial opportunities off the corpse and of the soviet union. and the soviet union wound up the, with a, with a country called russia, and a president called vladimir putin, who decided i'm not going to allow you to come in here. just see us as a market, take advantage of our resources and steal our money. and when he decided to take that position, that contributed greatly to the shift in the perspective of the united states, where you make a garland of where he talks about how we did everything possible to create a, a conflict between russia and ukraine. well, um, i think what he's,

what he's basically is talking about here is that the united states intentionally created this to maintain, had gemini, that this was, that all of these stories about supporting a democracy or, you know, helping out a country that's been attacked by a brutal dictator, next door cetera, that these are all lies that as the united states, as the big new brzezinski wrote in his book, the grand jess board as the rand corporation wrote in and um, through 2019, when they wrote a document, literally named on balancing russia that this was a planned out action to a to, to go on like sabotage. yes. to go after a super power, which means it was doomed to fail. but russia, at the time of post, soviet union seemed to be saying, even according to some of the things that we're reading right now help us, we want to be like you, we want to try and be a free market economy. and if we,

if you and you join forces with us, we can even combine our nuclear weapons. for example, let us join nato, for example. as we've heard on many occasions, why would you say no, we don't want you to be our friend. we really want you to be our enemy, no matter how much you want to be our friend. what a horrible unchristian thing to do. because the unipolar hedge of mine does not have friends. it has vassals in it. it doesn't even really have allies in, in the truest sense of ally, it has, it has vassals, it has victims. and because china was in the same position, china has we had reached out to the united states a number of times. let's cooperate on technology that's cooperate on 5 g technology . let's do this together. they have china has a win win strategy. the united states has a which, which with mine is mine and what yours is mine, and i'll take it by any means now. so sir,

you know what i find interesting about this through jeff sacks. uh, since i've been watching them, i used to watch them from time to time on the morning shows they would have them on . um morning, joe this morning and me guy or whatever those. what else people are, i mean, they're big it to hedge a monic. uh and uh, you know, as, you know, because dad was a brand new brzezinski. mr. brzezinski was the clintons. uh biggest uh, wor, hawk, and continue to be a war hoc until the rest of his life. i would interview him from time to time. i remember one time i had him on and he got really mad at me and walked off and the guys and so you know, more like what just happened because he walked up like, i guess i said something he didn't like or something. but it's, it's interesting to me and what i'm getting out of here that i'd like to get your reaction to is how guy who like jeff sucks, who once was allowed on television to maybe offer a perspective that i think americans need to here. and that our government sometimes is letting us down in terms of foreign policy. and that type of person not only doesn't appear anymore,

nobody likes him appears. they're not allowed on television. what the hell? well, during the period that they really felt they were in the unit polar moment, they didn't feel threatened by alternative narratives. they didn't feel threatened when people would poke a hole in the way. i mean, by that, i mean the ruling elite of, you know, the people who are running are government who are running things they didn't feel threatened. that even if he said something, they didn't like, well, russia, in china, iran, none of these countries were strong enough to oppose them. so they didn't feel insecure. now that the narrative falling apart, that the american people are in opposition to it, vicky in their narratives are getting more and more brittle. they can't afford someone telling the truth. it's not that is a thing here is it's not that dr. sacks is so smart, which is what he is not saying anything that we don't all know. it's that he's honest in an in an arena where that is not acceptable. and that's what so bothersome because they don't guy the eyes. i'm an immigrant to this country, but i love this country. i love everything about and i think we are still great

people. i think our leaders are letting us down, but i think we are a great nation with a great concept and we are great people and it's, it's, it's a real bummer to see a situation where i think we're making the world less safe for israel, for example, and for jews all over the world with our policies. now, i think we're making the world less safe for me, for my sons, for my grand daughter, because of our policy and places like your court, ukraine, and china and. and that's the reason we give these different perspective that you don't get on the a, b, c 's of the world. right? well, yes, and one of the other elements to why you don't see jeffrey sachs anymore is because social media and alternative media programs such as these are presenting a narrative and a reality that before folks weren't able to get to get access to war. and it was much, much more difficult for people. so at one point jeffrey sachs was kind of like the

voice in the wilderness and now with social media in program such as this and program such as ours. yeah, we are validating tim he is validating us and as we see playing itself out right before the columbia, they have lost the war of the narrative. yeah. it's and that they cannot tolerate. they can't, they can't exist. you know, it's funny you say that because i checked the, i still do this back when i was an anchor on cnn, by the way, i had the highest rated show and see, and i did, you know that case i used to watch you want seeing it i'm going to tell you again, i have the highest know it, but here's what, here's what's fascinating. when i had my best ratings and cnn, which were the best at sea, and then on a good day, i would do 450000 viewers. 450000 viewers in a country of 350000000. it's actually not so good. this show is seen by hundreds of millions of people around the, around the world. so, and, you know,

you guys are probably picked up by more people than watch cnn, or any of these local cable shows on any given day. and forget about it. if you're talking about joe rogan, he's reaching 9000000 a day, so that there is a new place for information yet. how do these guys at the see and ends of the world stay in power? because they still get their money from people who advertise on their networks because not because they need to. raphael doesn't need to sell bonds to people who watch cnn. but you see right here on commercials on see you then why? because the, the, the, the, the, the payment for the bombs comes from this $95000000000.00 bill to joe biden, just signed with a branded, it's a brand new. it is also a way of convincing americans to that, sending that sending $60000000000.00 to ukraine makes sense. and what they're branding is moore's, their branding, the concept. debit colonel ward,

that's all we have to finish up because we got to go to a break. yeah. i think some of the other important part is this. if i'm paying your network x amount of millions of dollars a month, you're not going to say anything that i really don't like. so it's a way to control the narrative in the network itself. bingo, when we come back, realistically jeff actually is something really interesting. so he says that you'll hear him say it himself. and he was very much involved after the soviet break up with 2 countries. poland and the russian federation. the says when you compare it, in one case, we did one thing with poland. and in the case of russia we did just the opposite, wide. we'll talk about that. stay right there. the

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you must pick with as always stuff. i did the meals at the gold on the you know, the agenda blue also kind of show. but as soon as i'm sure you're still gonna send you the 100, you're dealing with the purchase level. the . so we were discussing just a little while ago um about how both of poland and russia were treated after the breakup of the soviet union. this is fascinating because when i heard this next comment that we're going to hear from jeff facts, jeffrey sachs, the professor who is a one of the leading economists in the united states. i thought of myself. and i'll tell you why in a little while i thought of myself, when we come back after, what do you see after we hear what he has to say?

here's professor jeffrey sachs again. i became an advisor to me, held board, the child's economic team, and then i became an advisor to boris yeltsin economic team. and i knew really from keynes, by the way, that when the country that you're so kind to help is in this really, really deep financial crisis. after all the whole system, it completely collapse then that country need some help to get back on its feet. and that was really my main message in 19901991. 1992 and i help pull wins get back on it's the economically and everything i recommended . by the way, the, the white house adopted almost right away and i said, oh god, good, you know the david, they're listening to every word. and then i said the same thing about the soviet

union with garbage of 0 sacks. are you crazy? we're not going out the soviet union, there are enemies. and then died when soviet union ended and a yelton's economic team asked me to help. i said the same thing about russia. again 0. i thought that's pretty weird because what i'm recommending for russia is exactly what i recommended for poland and it worked for poland and the white house support. and what i recommended for, for one, for the same conditions, it doesn't do it for russia times a little. now you've, i have to say, because as an economist, i was making economic recommendations how to help. but i don't think the mood of rumsfeld and cheney and others in 1992 was the help. it was, hey, when they heard the social world superpower,

we get to change everything right now. and then i waited for with clinton coming in . no real change. and then on and on, and i began to see that and, and understand better, quite frankly, guy, you know, as you grow up and in this, because i've really worked all over the world and, and i quite extensively and well over a 100 countries i visited good so most of the world and know most of the world leaders one way or another for many, many of them. and i came to understand that the us was a little bit on the hinged and let the disasters of the vietnam war era, which i knew full well because i had marched in the streets against the vietnam war and the water date and the other. and the abuses, they've controlled wars in central america, and i also worked in central america in those years. those were not simply aberrations. those were,

those were part of the design set. and i mean, you know, you become more sophisticated. you see a lot of lighting that you know is lying because as i, you know, have become much more every day for 20 years. i've been a senior advisor to the united nations on many things. i see a lot. i see a lot, you know, it's interesting. i'm joined by a girl and nixon, dr. wellman. leon, thanks again gentlemen for being when i hear him. i remember i said at the beginning that i thought when i heard him say that i could relate to it. and here's what i mean by that. uh, as you guys to, i work at cnn. i work at fox, i worked at nbc, i worked at e, univision. i've worked at the i heart media radio and after working in all of those places and seeing a lot myself from the media side. i totally understand his point of view,

where he said it's only gotten worse. and now i understand why we did what we did in nicaragua, as he says, and why we did what we did in el salvador. and it all came out of that moment when we had an opportunity to bring the world together after the fall of the soviet union. and yeah, we did it in poland, but when i told them, let's do it in, in the so, in russia they said, no, we don't want to help them. we don't want to help them. and that carried over to the satellite countries and everywhere else. i find it fascinating. one of the reasons why i think it worked in poland and didn't work in russia is because of a gentleman whose name we mentioned. i think a little earlier in the show that it's a brand new brzezinski. mm hm. when you read the grand chest board, he is responsible to a great degree for the rest of the full big american foreign policy. and as he was because he was yeah,

staunchly and and as have been his acolytes the maryland. busy madeline albright is a acolyte of brzezinski. hillary clinton is an acolyte of madeline albright who's an acolyte of presume. how can you have a policy based on a, i'm hating a country and who doesn't mean that who is, who was credited with discovering brock obama brzezinski that columbia what obama was was one of his students from echo lumber university. you think he's right? yeah. and so yeah, i'm going to do this to that again. i'm all right. i think that i'm going to read after the 95. this is this, this tells you the story after they pass the 95000000000 the other day. senator john tester tweeted this. american foreign adversaries, like china, russia, and around what, nothing more than to take our place as the world's leading military and economic superpower. and today i voted with republicans and democrats to protect montana and

our country and make sure that won't happen. he's telling the truth here. they're true. concerned all along is not, you know, poland or russia it poll is not a threat. pulling will be a meal. they will do what we want and rush. it is a future meal. it's like app or codes. huge. it's got all of these things. they saw that as an opportunity to take rushes resources, and that was all and who, who was the, the congressman that said, are that ukraine's borders are, are boy ary connelly. eric right here in virginia and jerry connelly said the ukraine's borders are our borders. i saw it was sick that after they passed that measure, they all took out ukraine. why? of ukraine and israel. and i didn't see a single congress person in the united states of america waving the united states it. what's terrible about, how does that tell you? what is the other thing is this about that they call this supporting ukraine half

a 1000000 minimum of a half a 1000000 ukrainian, some type of ukranian people are suffering in this way. let's face it. things are going well for israel right now with friends like that. who needs that searing if they are truly looking out for the best interest of ukraine and israel. they would not negotiate diplomatic settlements to both of those. and then they would try to rebuild them, and so they could have a peaceful existence. so clearly, and they're not looking at by the way as i understand it. and i'm not sure how, you know, how much certitude they have in this, that they've apparently proposed. but the russian side has on several occasions that we're willing to sit down and they know they've been, they've been saying the country games been shipped to to be fair. well, well, i'm sure there is an element of gamesmanship in that. but the history sense to sense 2014 shows us that president food and has been saying, look at the medical chords. yeah. and he, and one of the things at that point and kept saying to bite was,

all you gotta do is implement them in school chords. we've already negotiated this . all you have to do is implement, implement lives. and then we find out from, from the form in german, chancellor, on the call. no, no, no, no, as of angle merkel or number 4. yeah. she said, oh, that was all the fraud from the, from the very beginning. when, when president met with bite and in geneva and said, i'm giving you my security demands in writing. i expect for you to respond to me and writing a she got ignored. so as well, they had to deal in this double final words. this'll change your think at some point you think we'll see a day when a jeffrey sachs is allowed back on tv. and when people in mainstream media will be able to hear messages like the ones that we share, which are certainly much more balanced, i think what we're going to have to see 1st is a political change and political real lines. but i think that's coming because the

political parties now are so far as strange from their own constituents that there's going to be some variable foreign exchange. yes, both perhaps and all throughout europe. thank you. good stuff, but great conversation. this really has been an important conversation and i'm glad we had of all people jeffrey sachs to help us with a guy who used to watch every day on one of the most liberal programs. that it states which i backed that and found interesting. i haven't watson quite a while. before we go, i want to remind you of something. it's our mission simple. we kind of want to be silo. the world stop living in these little boxes where we think everybody has to think like us dropped off. don't live in boxes and neither should we fabric sanchez, that's what i say, that it was direct impact and i'll be looking for you again. thanks again. the

plus the see the solvent us of the move up to somebody. how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and military equipment? is fairly low paying the believe, but of boston low cream and the new system and located in the us nominal facility or some of those other staff we, i'm about the easiest little so what are the easiest number mobile bubble a full wellness that will kind of the piece that have gone on now. that's why our weapons from ukraine spreading over the world to turn this country into a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them a capabilities that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell women's. yes,

we're also known in the world as homes dealers that we must not be ashamed of that the for the last 2 and a half years, we have learned that we cannot achieve the so without dialogue and diplomatic channels. hunger as prime minister, i think the old bond called for it to put magic resolution to add, but you create and complex to magic. moscow with a lot of it put it in who said that the other side appears on the willing to stop development. there is still an unwillingness in keith to abandon the idea of waging war to the bitter and nevertheless, we are grateful to the prime minister. we see this as an attempt to restore the dialogue in your officials. i. signing up on this trip to moscow say, but he doesn't represent the blog. somebody will suggest a home gary in 5 minutes days betray you principles. we believe that it undermines