that's due until you get into trouble. if you don't do the right things in terms of managing your top manual offer, does it always depend on commodity excellence and that leaves them open to shocks and international economy, which also, you know, which creates balance of payment problems. and so, and so they often find that they have to go to the higher math. so it's kind of, you know, i'm saying we don't need to take effect on this policy offers to drop or 10 countries because sometimes, so these requirements. ringback they may be modeled cisco measures the citizens next in a special edition of going underground. we speak to the brother of mine who had been perhaps the most famous prisoner of the past decade and even longer, truly massage couch. gabriel shipped his full conversation with option right ahead the

the time action or time. see welcome back to going underground. broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. julian assange is free. you can watch our interviews with them exposing google. hillary clinton's attempt as a but us democracy and blame russia that illuminate the war crimes in iraq and all around the world. it was wiki leaks that expose jake solomon biden's. now national security advisor. right. thank you. how kind it was on the same side as the usa. it was wiki leaks that expose the present head of the c. i a explaining the u. s. propagation of russia that would lead to war in europe. well is, of course,

before his torture by britain and the u. s. u. k. plans to assassinate him. some who have cold res release on going underground. never got to see him go free fashion, designer vivian, westwood, mentor, gavin mccloud, in pentagon whistle blower down ellsberg and the grades on pills. you all have him passed away while asylum. she was tortured with me. here in, due by his julian's brother, gabriel shipped in his documentary, it's a shot at the struggle to free julian assange. gabrielle, thanks so much for coming on the show and as video to going underground. i got to ask you, 1st of all, where, where you and you heard the news that joe biden's justice department had been defeated by a man who had been tortured in london. who uh, we know, was the target of assassination attempts by britain and the united states, and of the connivance of city of stomach and u. k. authorities. well, i went to see julian probably around around a month ago, action and he didn't mention to me at the time that there was probably going to be

a resolution in down the track, possibly 3 weeks. 4 weeks time, which i took was a grand assault at the time of the photo. okay. yeah, let's see what happens. and then about a week, a week before he was put on that jet, i was getting calls from him very excited calls from julian going through all the little bits of logistics that had been set up every day. there was some progress legit getting locked in. he's movement from inside the prison at the very early hours in the morning, so he could be undetected, taken to stance to the airport and the little bits and pieces that were all falling into place. so it was very, very hard to keep that a secret and it was, you know, essentially a political miracle that this was able to be pulled off. i think i

or credit due to people like you who it's been reporting on this the filling out the many, many years the last stood in for the news and the growth roots efforts by normal people around the world. it sort of restores your faith in humanity to really say normal people giving up the time, giving up the money, the connections, if it, to save julian assange. i know so inspiring all those thousands of people, tens of thousands to rain and trying outside those courtrooms. but you didn't think it was a sign of julian's mental mental problems that he was. so hopefully this was another because he had a really bad medical problems in britain's suplex prison. as far as i understand that roger waters is being on the show. i mean, he was shocked and we could see him visibly shop. john pilcher was shot so many

times up to seeing your brother. yeah, it was hot breaking. going and seeing him inside the inside the prison option. a cell neighbor committed suicide while he was there? yes. one of his friends, a bazillion man, committed suicide, but there's regularly depths inside the prison. in the united states, keeping company with the sort of the worst of it was, murder is all thoughts of those sorts of prisoners. and those of the people he keeps company with. he was an a 2 by 3, made a cell, but in 2019 with nose. no. so the you in special repertoire and torture, went to see him and took those 2 independent doctors. they found he'd suffering the effects of psychological torture, and that was in 2019, and his situation didn't change. he had the never ending the extradition to a country that had ported to kill him hanging over his head,

the prison conditions bearing down on his body and his mind. but, you know that's all over now action. and now he has time to be with his family. he's out in australian bush, enjoying the sunshine, and joining the bird songs, putting his feet in the sand. so, so i think happier times ahead and i'll go and see him this week. actually, i'm going to go and see him in various sizes, but it was his birthday. really for give brittany. do you think, i mean a, i believe, forget the guardian newspaper where i started my career on it still printed so many equivocal pieces over the years, double crossed and lied about passwords. or, i think because we have noticed that the guardian, who's been on the street with the form of you in repertory georgia, now with the red cross, said it was these newspapers and media, the pos of the psychological torture. and that they were it's, it's a putting upon your brother, your look even now,

even now you can see the legacy made here. and a lot of these so called journalist sort of wanting to go out and signal to the friends and intelligence community. you know that they're still faithful home to them. they are repeating of me is notes means that on even that the usa, the all is well, good thing here. oh, that's about he killed people really relations and we really, really be exactly what i mean. are you going to sue every single one of them and get the car and, and the new york times sounds like a family. the old times today, to me about james clapper the form and national security office of national intelligence. the said this show was somehow a threat to the united states. yeah. game is saying things like, you know, he gave things on redacted. this was a problem, little digs it. yeah. so it's still going on now and, but i think the person that putting julian's free will, the hard work is paid off the millions around the world,

the world leaders who have been advocating for julian, it's all paid off. so they sorts of attacks. and it's me is, you know, everybody can say now that when you say that the chief prosecution i wrote because saying there was no one was killed. now because of these, this genuine journalism, the julian is on state, but matthew miller, united and he blinked and state the palm and repeated repeated the lie to the press . who i don't know whether you saw that digital press conference on the day your brother was released or do they've made headlines here. what is the do by newspaper golf news? that's the biggest story in the world. even bigger than gaza. yep. and the go as a genocide, hassan and your brother to be freed, a free man after 14 years. that is the biggest story. but matthew miller says, what did you think of that press conference? you know, i've seen matthew miller, he well, he worked in the obama justice department and he's actually done interviews. and before he went to the state department saying, there's

a reason why we didn't pursue this case. that it posed a threat to the 1st amendment. and that's why the a mom or justice department didn't pursue it, and matthew met and it was on record about saying that. and so it's a very interesting to watch him change his june now. and now he's inside the state department, but i think you really have to look at what the judge who accepted julian's play. deal said they said the us government cannot find a victim in related, in relation to the so called crime of journalism that julian committed a so i think that's a, that's what's on the record and that, that's what the judge said during that hearing. so you just have to look back to those sort of factual elements that were accepted by us judge and hold them up to the slide to what matthew mill is saying, and it just his arguments fall apart, right? it just doesn't make sense and actually exposes them. those sorts of people for what they really are in my opinion. yeah. and the reductions,

i think the one point is really nice me of a team there to for they redact, i feel they went too far. sometimes in the reductions, why are they making out that the guardian in particular, which is the one you might have to tell a view, is remind them that it was them that linked to pos which own redacted, wicked expel? that's right. loo cutting and david lee who rushed out a book about the wiki leaks league. so the village and all that, they rushed out this book and one of the chapter headings was a password to the encrypted file of the diplomatic cable set. and that was the password the julian had given them. he even had, there was an element of that possible cool. the salt and julian explained to them this element you can never write down. you can never share. because that sort of gives the possible even more strengths having that sold element. and these journalists, you know,

in the recklessness or published the whole password to this encrypted file. and so from that, from that chapter, hitting a different tag was able to research and find out that that was possible to the encrypted file. and then crypt on the website run by john young. a us website crypton. good old was the 1st to publish the i'm rejected a cable set. so julian and wiki legs when even the 1st to publish, this is on ridiculous cable set. and i think that part of the education process that we've been doing in this campaign is telling that story, that the, the, the people actually responsible for this on rejected lake. uh, the uh, the guardian june was david lee and luke harding. interesting, the julian developed some tools that allowed the reduction of these

boss strows of information such as the program that would look for that, use the dictionary to search these these will files and will logs for problem nouns and would take out those names. so he was at the forefront of this process of reduction. and at the time journalists who are working with in said the people inside the traditional news rooms were actually more reckless than julian was when it came to rejecting these names. and as for more bad guys in the story, is it? well, we know that you need don't shape a guy who double called, you know, in the early days he destroyed perhaps valuable cables. it would have given us an insight into the so called war on terra in afghanistan and iraq war, they also have to be destroyed or it was nothing really destroyed as part of the pre, the, i know how to get on to discovery,

which is an element of supply deal as well, but to what was this that had to be destroyed you need to. so i just tried an affidavit that christopher the robinson has been on this road many times over the years i've destroyed what it was, anything unpublished related to the chelsea. many lakes is that's my understanding from what very public julia. it doesn't matter if somebody else has it already. well, you know, it was a dead man switch file. well, i guess so, but you know, it was an instruction from the courts to julian in which he likes to destroy any, any of those falls that hadn't, hadn't been published published already. i mean, interestingly, when julian left this after he was given permission to leave sweden after answering questions in relation to into this a 6 or somebody's political asylum. yes. yeah. and so i am already in the right at that time he's bags went missing when he took that flight from sweden to the united kingdom. and that those, those bags actually had even more of the chelsea,

many a lake that never sold a lot of di, including some of the very well known method because in, in afghanistan. so the video though, so those are things that you know, will never, will never say from this lake that will never know about. and so the historical impact of wiki leaks is, speaks for itself really in, in what it was able to achieve over the years. and what these lakes actually meant to normal people, the people who are not, who are just trying to make their lives better, who are trying to make correct decisions about who to vote for how to make a simple educated decisions about who they want the latest to be for the war and a rock, for instance, that famous cable that well, i will, i'll just stop if you have a real war that in part 2 more from the brother looking sign to julie,

this johnson, this break the we may never know to what degree jo biden's obvious mental deficiencies have played in recent american foreign policy decisions, particularly when it comes to policy. but it is fair to ask your findings, dementia. it is leading a small into a global counseling. the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with the brother of what he likes, kind of the julia massage gabriel shifting. gabriel, you were interrupted by megan pump one when you were talking about the importance to normal everyday people. if people don't know who julian assange is just knowing vaguely and legal proceedings that have been talked about for 14 years, it was, it was, as you say, the was in iraq and afghanistan and i was talking about this stuff that was

destroyed. there was no public interest defense. i knew when a legal scholars, when the bindings justice department in the plea deal told them you have to destroy some information that hadn't previously unpublished. there was no defense on the sides of legal team to go. but what if some of it is in the public interest? no, no, no, no, julian, actually one thing the julian did say, during this hearing is that the he didn't realize that the espionage act trumps the 1st amendment. and i think that's clearly, that was a very clear and direct message to everybody out there. what this what this play deal and what this persecution actually means is that, did you go? because in this colonial magistrate, us colonial magistrate the islands with the us of flu, that'd be 20 nines to murder people in the rush. when that gets lucky and all that way. it's so close and julia, so i'm still said watch out judge. there's

a conflict between the, your constitution in the us village. well, because you go, no, i mean this is, this is you, i'm going to get a bed julia assigned to you. i, i, you know, i, i think he would have had to size. i'm thinking and he's very deliberate and very thoughtful about things like that that he wants to say and, and frame things around around the things that he thinks are important. so i have a trust julian, i have faith in his, you know, is ability to reason and, and make these determinations. but it was nerve wracking. i was watching live the actual many, many people out there were watching the log footage and, and just hoping that it was all going to go through because, you know, i'm not sure how i really trust the united states and the justice system. but they were starting diplomats there within the u. k. hot commissioner, steven smith,

the ex prime minister kid was right. about the oh yes, sorry. the u. k. i gave you the illustrated and the mattress. yes. that's right. and x prime minister, kevin rod, who is now the ambassador to the united states for a stranger. they were there with him as a sort of guess, guarantor of his safety and that he would get they needed someone that important to give us a little bit of a piece of gold because of this trial. and it's because your sister in law, the wife of julia design sellers on show the press part of the plea deal means we could now look into discovery into what they were doing. as regards the assassination attempt, no britain in the united states brought into a bones in london, car chases mud, your brother vento allow but, and then she looked pointedly at the president, australia, the prescott said, you can do that throughout julian's way. these freedom of information rights in the

united states, but the rest of the press haven't obviously, so i think it's up to them to really dig around and get to the bottom of what's happened in this case. i think you mentioned those plots to kill julian that were going around sketches and plans within the c i plus the kid naturally. and that made it as high as the white house. and i think there's still a lot to uncover it in that. and in julian's persecution, famously k, as tom is emails, when he was at the cps, that mysteriously disappeared relating to his trips to washington. while julian was in the ecuadorian, m. c. so there is lots of you might be a prime minister. and as i get a scholar at the time of this recording is not but yes, and this will be a dark cloud. i think of it his prime minister ship if it is. so i think there is still a lot to uncover. and many people who have involved themselves in julian's persecution

of the youths who have go do it on the hands. you don't take suitcases. com is a view that all the other documents were destroyed as was the, as was the procedure he was head of the crown prosecution service, which was desperately trying to extradite your brother to sweden. for perhaps, i think most of us believe extradition to the united states. by a different route than the espionage. right? yeah, that's right. he was the head of the cps at that time, during that whole process, the longest running preliminary investigation in swedish history, and those, those famous e mails that were if i want us to find the emergency with the suite, as prosecutors emailing the u. k, prosecutors saying we want to drop this we, we were to come and question him so that we can move on and, and get rid of this invest has no charges of any sexual crime. no, nothing, no charges of a light. and they actually communicated to the c p a,

so they wanted to close it and bring it to an end. and the response was, this is more, this is about more than a, an x, normal extradition don't, you know, don't get cold feet. and so i think that evidence is out there, and there, there will be more to come, i believe, as, as time goes by, as things become uncovered. i'm oh, journalists dig into the record around julian's persecution about the new british prime minister. so volume i read seems to be on the show, the great italian journalist has already on said, your sister in law school for the for air in i understand she's not getting anything gold. 2025, randi credit, go with the great american actors. because famously on covering boss who b u. c. global investigation into what was happening as regards trumps funded one of jumps fund is that we were involved a company that was spying on. perhaps you your district or illegal. julie

is on his legal council. medical doctors also mex blumenthal, of course, how safe is he in australia? you know we, i'm and i think john killed you would always uh sometimes mention golf whitland and how he was brought down by the british government, the former bridge, the australian prime minister. he opposed the vietnam war, u. s. foreign policy was just taken out by the british government as well a little strangely. it happened so it was really politician to pay a post the united states. albanese seems to be steadfast with your brother, julius andre hasn't been killed, let alone deposed your. well, i think the startling government is walter, real todd, right? in this situation. they've given the intelligence community to national security d o j a conviction, but they've also managed to secure julian's freedom. and so i think this satisfied both parties in that sense and implied that man in the middle diplomatic role. you know, you spoke about change classes before this year. he's come out saying, well,

we've got what we wanted. julian served his time, we've got a conviction. so this is sort of messaging from the intelligence community that, that they should be happy with. this conviction, this conviction and play deal that the history and government was able to was able to broker in terms of julian safety in australia. he's incredibly popular with these threatening people that day when he stepped off that plane onto the atomic. i've got thousands of messages, people with celebrating popping bottles of champagne. so some people said this is like christmas. that was the feeling, the feeling back back in australia. that's how popular july slow one person on rupert murdoch's abc scott, no sky. because sky news in australia is owned by the roof of myrtle organizations where it goes to comcast in other countries saying he's a criminal and continuing to repeat this kind of thing. and so that is the, the,

those of those, uh, these generals, that own psycho generals that are out totally how to touch with the, with the public sentiment. and that's why those sort of are statements. they don't really have any echo they, they're just sort of full flat, particularly when julian's walking around free in australia. so i think really the public sentiment and, and julian's popularity straightens loveland under dog 11 under dog story. and, and he's, he's one of, as he's a is astray, his son and he will be protected by the population. and by his support, the, i believe the hatred for him a in the new york times of this week, k, i because they say, but he was against us imperialism. that makes it, that different, presumably alluding to him dying that go without book when he was dragged out by british security forces from political asylum, the ecuadorian embassy. why is it because julie,

this ons expose secrets of the russian state boots instict of china, of iran. why is it, do you think that we agree? it's countries and i'll present we not things boozy, unless changing pain or coming e would like expose? why is it these countries in the end said no, you must speaking freed. and the united states has secrets because julia, so i'm just waking leaks, organization with them. power. it was a, it was truth to buy was exposing the secrets of the powerful it didn't matter whether it was and the american me why, why was the amount, why did the americans hate wiki leaks move? well, he, he embarrassing, he embarrassed them him parents the way that they struck the way that they ruled the world, and the way that they use the power in, in countries overseas. these conspiracies between the institutions of stace,

the corporate media and the corporations. julian, expose those and it's written the whole system. it's written the whole system of how they exercise power around the world. and they were frightened, very, very frightened, that they wouldn't be able to hold onto that power. and so they, uh, the solution was to go up to julian. and i think you can look at the timeline from 2017 of when they made a julian of the same in 2019. and so julians off the scene and 2019 and you see all these other factors, all these other areas where they would clamp downs on the free internet and things started to change in silicon valley. i've spoken to people in silicon valley and they said, the revolutionary spirit of the 2016, the revolutionary spirit, and the spirit of the free internet was almost turned on its head in silicon valley, off the 2016. and these, all these corporations,

all these social media corporations, were turned on their heads and became sort of of the state to sense and to manipulate people. and i think what happened to julian is actually in line with that real clamp down around 2019. and i'm looking forward to 2020 and, and the last 4 or 5 years that we've, that we've lived for live through and the sort of resurgence of the near conservative project. but ironically, and finally, how important is it a president gold trump? pardons him for the future of journalism journalist all around the world because he still has this felony because he's pleaded guilty to julia. so there's to save his own life, pleading guilty to a crime, he didn't commit. uh, how important is it for the president to, to the body. so it's important for americans. it's important for

a normal americans and the people of sending congress the laws within the congress, right? have really recognize that, that what this has done with this conviction has done, has criminalized journalism. this, it describes essentially investigative journalism. it's going off to the general source relationship of publishing classified information, possessing classified information that's old, become a legal now under what's happened to julie in a search and is there is a huge amount of concern in the united states. we just were talking of here about ken ross vx head of the of human rights, what she's actually come out against against this plea deal saying that it is a real threat. and these elements that were used in the, in the initial environment. these elena, they sort of the elements that the to frame julian is a heck a, they were completely left out of, of,

of the plea deal of the conviction. and so it's actually, julian's is, is a journalist, according to this, according to this conviction. and that is a legal so what i can do, i have ken wrote the saying that and he's the hunter russell. not really. i'm sorry . that's quite something gabriel shifted. congratulations and say hi to julian this on joel the team of going into your yeah, thank you option. thank you. continued condolences also to those bereaved by u. k. u. s. u, i'm genocide will be back on monday of this week. celebrations of opec plus is venezuela's independence day with the grades that is on your power bill. the new book, referencing julia sanchez, information investigates the u. s. u. k. attempt to destroy the country with the world's largest oil resources until then keep in touch by the social media of it. so extensive new country and how do i channel going on? the run tv on rumbled, i'll come to watch new and old episodes. i'm going undergrad, see, monday the

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