as in kansas, will bring economy, basically buy things as bins of been proven wrong. there are some experience as to that, but it's a keeping, you know, you know, resources in our us through his that he's old, you know, in europe somewhere is not going to vote because like in the switch any time. and also in terms of breaks, there's a lot of hope in that just dropping kind of just for breaks to come up with an alternative mind. but it's just, in fact, is that it gives us the way, uh, you know, we can move uh, you know, resources. we can save updates in the rates. we cannot use it most policies and people won't be able to do it without, you know, being afraid. those counter functions, the same as our to international up next going underground with action responses by the

time action or time. see welcome back to going underground, broke out single, around the world from the you a julian assange is free. you can watch our interviews with them exposing google hillary clinton's attempt to so, but us democracy and blame russia that illuminate a war crimes in iraq and all around the world. it was with unique that expose jake sullivan, biden's, now national security advisor. right. seeking how kind it was on the same side as the usa. it was ricky leeks that expose the present head of the ca, explaining the u. s. propagation of russia that would lead to war in europe. well is, of course, before his torture by britain and the u. s. u k. plans to assassinate him. some who have cooled for his release on going underground. never got to see him go free fashion, design of vivian, westwood, mental gavin,

i'm excited. the pentagon whistle blow down ellsberg and the grades on pillows you all of whom passed away while a silence was tortured with me here and do by. as julian's brother gabriel shipped in his documentary, it's like a shot at the struggle to freed yearly and assigned. gabrielle, thanks so much for coming on the show and as the going underground. i got to ask you 1st of all, where, where you and you heard the news that the joe biden? this justice department had been defeated by a man who had been tortured in london, who we know was the target of assassination attempt by britain and the united states under the connivance of city of stomach, the new k authorities. well, i went to see julian probably around around a month ago and, and he didn't mention to me at the time that there was probably going to be a resolution in down the track, possibly 3 weeks. full weeks time, which i took was a grand assault at the time for that. okay. yeah, let's see what happens. and then about a week,

a week before he was put on that jet, i was getting calls from him very excited calls from julian going through all the little bits of logistics that had been set up every day. there was some progress legit getting locked in his movement from inside the prison at the very early hours in the morning. so he could be undetected taken to stance to the airport and the little bits and pieces that were all falling into place. so it was very, very hard to keep that a secret and it was, you know, essentially a political miracle that this was able to be pulled off. and i think i or credit due to people like you who have been reporting on this a little some of the many, many years last stood in 14 years and the growth roots efforts by normal

people around the world. it's sort of restores your faith in humanity to really say no more people giving up the time, giving up the money, the connections. if it's to save julian assange, i know phones buying all those thousands of people tens of thousands through rain and chime outside those court rooms. but you didn't think it was a sign of julian's mental mental problems that he was. so hopefully this was another because he had a really bad medical problems in britain's suplex prison. as far as i understand that roger waters is being on the show. i mean, he was shocked and we could see him visibly shopped on pill. joe was shot so many times after seeing your brother. yeah, it was hot breaking going and seeing him inside the inside the prison option. a cell neighbor committed suicide while he was there. yes, one of his friends,

a brazilian man committed suicide, but there's regularly depths inside the prison. he, the inmates is keeping company with the sort of the worst of the was murder is all thoughts of those sorts of prisoners. and those are the people he keeps company with. he was an a 2 by 3 made a cell, but in 2019 with no snow. so the you in special repertoire and torture, went to see him and took those 2 independent doctors. they found he to suffering the effects of psychological torture. and that was in 2019 and his situation didn't change. he had the never ending the extradition to a country that had pulled it to kill him hanging over his head the prison conditions bearing down on his body and his mind. but you know that's all over now action. and now he has time to be with his family. he's out in australian bush,

enjoying the sunshine, and joining the bird songs, putting his feet in the sand. so i think happier times ahead and i'll go and see him this week. actually i'm going to go and see him in various sizes, but it was his birthday. really for give brittany, do you think, i mean a, i believe forget the guardian newspaper where i started my career on it still printed so many equivocal pieces over the years, double crossed and lied about passwords that were i think because we have noticed that the guardian who's been on the street with the form you in reference on georgia now with the red cross said it was these newspapers and media, there are parts of the psychological torture and that they were putting upon your brother, your look even now. even now you can see the legacy made here, and a lot of these so called journalist sort of wanting to go out and signal to the friends and intelligence community. you know that they're still faithful home to

them. they are repeating of me is notes means that on even that the usa, the all is well good thing here. oh, that's about he killed people realize that they were going to be around it. be exactly what i mean. are you going to sue every single one of them and get the car and, and the new york times sounds like a family. the old times today, to me about james clapper the form and national security office of national intelligence. the said this show was somehow a threat to the united states. yeah. game is saying things like, you know, he gave things on redacted. this was a problem, little digs it. yeah. so it's still going on now and, but i think the person that putting julian's free will, the hard work is paid off the, the millions around the world, the world leaders who are and advocating for julian it's, it's all paid off. so these sorts of attacks and it's me is, you know, everybody can say now that when you say that the chief prosecution i wrote because

saying there was no one was scale. now because of these, this genuine journalism, the julian is on state, but matthew miller, united to the blink and state the palm and repeated repeated the lie to the press. who i don't know whether you saw that dismal press conference on the day. your brother was released or do they've made headlines here. what is the do by newspaper golf? news? that's the biggest story in the world. even bigger than gaza. yep. and the girl has a genocide, hassan and your brother to be freed. a free man of to 14 is that is the biggest story. but matthew miller says, what did you think of that press conference? you know, i've seen matthew miller, he well, he worked in the obama justice department and he's actually done interviews. and before he went to the state department saying there's a reason why we didn't pursue this case, that it posed a threat to the 1st amendment. and that's why the amount of justice department didn't pursue. and matthew met and it was on record about saying that. and so it's

a very interesting to watch him change his june now and now he's inside the state department, but i think you really have to look at what the judge who accepted julian's play deal said. they said the us government cannot find a victim in related, in relation to the so called chronic journalism that julian, committed a so i think that's a, that's what's on the record and that, that's what the judge said during that hearing. so you just have to look back to those sort of factual elements that were accepted by us judge and hold them up to a slide to what matthew mill is saying, and it just his arguments fall apart, right? it just doesn't make sense and actually exposes then those sorts of people for what they really are in my opinion. yeah. and the reductions, i think the one point julian as me, the team there to for they redact, i feel they went too far. sometimes in the reductions, why are they making out that the guardian in particular,

which is the one you might have to tell a view, is remind them that it was them that linked the pos which own redacted, wicked expel? that's right. loo cutting and david lee who rushed out a book about the wiki leaks league. so the village and all that, they rushed out this book and one of the chapter headings was a password to the encrypted file of the diplomatic cable set. and that was the password the julian had given them even had, there was an element of that possible cool. the salt and julian's explained to them this element, you can never write down. you can never shit. because that sort of gives the possible even most strings having that sold element. and these journalists, you know, in the recklessness or published the whole password uh to this encrypted file. and so from that, from that chapter hitting the defraud. so i was able to research and find out that

that was possible to the encrypted file and then crypt on the website run by john young. a us website group ton dot old was the 1st to publish the on rejected a cable set. so julian and wiki legs, one, even the 1st to publish. this is on ridiculous cable set. and i think that part of the education process that we've been doing in this campaign is telling that story, that the, the, the people actually responsible for this on rejected lake uh, the uh, the guardian journalist, david lee and lou cutting interesting, the julian developed some tools that allowed the reduction of these boss strows of information such as a program that would look for that, use the dictionary to search these. these will files and will logs for problem

nouns and would take out those 9. so he was at the forefront of this process of reduction. and at the time journalist who were working with in said the people inside the traditional news rooms were actually more reckless than julian was when it came to rejecting these names. and as for more bad guys, and the story, is it? well we move it. um uh, does it need don't shape a guy who uh, double call. judy on the early days he destroyed perhaps valuable cables. it would have given us an insight into the so called war on terra in afghanistan and iraq war, they also have to be destroy. it was nothing really destroyed as part of the pretty deal. i know how to get on to discovery, which was an element of play deal as well, but to what was this that had to be destroyed you need to. so i just tried an affidavit that kristin robinson has been on the show many times over the years i've destroyed what there was anything unpublished related to the chelsea many lakes

this. that's my understanding from what very public julia. it doesn't matter if somebody else has it already. well, it was a dead man switch file. well, i guess so, but you know, it was an instruction from the courts to julian in which he likes to destroy any, any of those falls that hadn't, hadn't been published published already. i mean, interestingly, when julian left this after he was given permission to leave sweden after answering questions in relation to into this a 6, it was from his political asylum. yes. yeah. and so at the, at that time his bags went missing when he took that flight from sweden to the united kingdom. and that those, those bags actually had even more of the chelsea many lake that never sold a lot of di, including some of the very well known messic has in,

in afghanistan. so the video though, so those are things that you know, will never, will never say from this lake that will never know about. and so the historical impacted wiki leaks is, speaks for itself really in, in what it was able to achieve over the use. and what these lakes actually meant to normal people, the people who are new, who are just trying to make their lives better. who are trying to make correct decisions about who to vote for how to make a simple educated decisions about who they want the latest to be for the war to rock, for instance, that famous cable that well, i will, i'll just stop here. how gabriel wore that and for a 2 more from the brother wiggs found to julie this i joslet this break the

his policy. this is the case, has been a big fight. didn't know just in the training those the bus it but it is, well god, nice to china is getting any person goes to either name me a phone call is the challenge when things go based on the deadline that they think the bills name is the the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with the brother of wiggs, one of the junior massage. gabriel shifting. gabriel, you were interrupted by me in part one when you were talking about the importance to normal everyday people. if people don't know who julian massage is just knowing vaguely and legal proceedings that have been talked about for 14 years, it was,

it was, as you say, the was in iraq and afghanistan. i was talking about this stuff that was destroyed . there was no public interest defense. i knew when a legal scholars when the bindings justice department in the plea deal told them you have to destroy some information that hadn't previously unpublished. there was no defense on assigned to the legal team to go. but what if some of it is in the public interest? no, no, no, no, julian, actually one thing that julian did say, during this hearing is that that he didn't realize that the espionage act trumps the 1st amendment. and i think that's clearly that was a very clear and direct message to everybody out there. what this what this play deal and what this prosecution it actually means is that did you go? because in this colonial magistrate, us colonial magistrate the islands with the us of flu,

that'd be $29.00 to murder people in the rush. we mega psyche and all that way. it's so close and julia. so i'm still said watch out judge. there's a conflict between or y'all, constitution in the us village. well, did you go? no, i mean this is, this is you, i'm going to get a bad us on g a i, i, you know, i think he would have had to size something. and he's very deliberate and very thoughtful about things like that that he wants to say and, and frame things around around the things that he thinks are important. so i have a trust julian, i have faith and he's, yeah, he's ability to raise and make these determinations. but it was nerve wracking. i was watching live the actual many, many people out there were watching the log footage and, and just hoping that it was all going to go through because, you know,

i'm not sure how i really trust the united states and the justice system. but they were starting diplomats there within the u. k. hot commissioner, steven smith, the ex prime minister catalan's. right. right. they oh, yes, sorry. the u. k. i gave you the illustrated and the mattress. yes. that's right. and the x prime minister, kevin rod, has now the ambassador to united states for stresses and they were there with him as a sort of, i guess, guarantor of his safety and that he would get, they needed someone that important to give us a little bit of a piece of gold because of this trial i'm. it's because your sister in law, the wife of julia design sellers on show the press part of the plea deal means we could now look into discovery into what they were doing as regards the assassination attempt. no britain in the united states bought into booms in london, car chases murder, your brother vento allowed but. and then she looked pointedly at the president,

australia. the prescott said, you can do that throughout. julian's waived is freedom of information rights in the united states. but the rest of the press having, obviously so, and i think it's up to them to really dig around and get to the bottom of what's happened in this case. i think you mentioned those plots to kill julian that were going around sketches and plans within the c i plus the kid naturally. and that made it as high as, as the white house. and i think there's still a lot to uncover it in that. and in julian's persecution, famously k, as tom is emails, when he was at the cps, that mysteriously disappeared relating to his trips to washington. while julian was in the ecuadorian, m. c. so there is lots of might be a prime minister, now's like a scholar at the time of this recording is not but yes, and this will be a dark cloud. i think of it he's prime minister ship if it is. so i think there is

still a lot to uncover, and many people who have involved themselves in julian's persecution, of the youths who have go do it on their hands. you don't, takes it, he has cut them. is a view that all the other documents were destroyed. as was the, as was the procedure, he was head of the crown prosecution service, which was desperately trying to extradite your brother to sweden for perhaps i think most of us believe extradition to the united states by a different route than the espionage. right. yeah, that's right. he was the head of the cps of the, at that time, during that whole process, the longest running, preliminary investigation in swedish history. and is those famous e mails that were if i want us to find the emergency with the swedish prosecutors emailing the u. k, prosecutors saying we want to drop this we,

we were to come and question him so that we can move on and, and get rid of this and because of no charges of any sexual crime, no, nothing, you know, charges of a light and they actually communicated to the c p a, so they wanted to close it and bring it to an end. and the response was, this is more, this is about more than a, an x, normal extradition don't, you know, don't get cold feet. and so i think that evidence is out there and there, there will be more to come, i believe, as, as time goes by, as things become uncovered. i'm a journalist, dig into the record around julian's persecution about the new british prime minister. if i knew my read seems to be on the show, the great italian journalist has already on. so joseph through law school, put it for aaron, i understand. she's not getting anything gold. 2025 randy credit go with the great american active schools. famously on coming boss and b, u. c. global investigation into what was happening as regards trump's funded one of jumps fund is that we were involved

a company that was spying on. perhaps you, your district or illegal, julia decided legal counsel. medical doctors also mex blumenthal. of course, how safe is he in australia? you know, we and i think john build you would always, uh, sometimes mention golf with them and how he was brought down by the british government, the former bridge, the australian prime minister, he opposed the vietnam war. u. s. foreign policy was just taken out by the british government as well, a little strangely. it happened, so it was really politician to pay a post united states. albanese seems to be fed foss with your brother, julian, his andre hasn't been killed. loan deposed or? well, i think the starting government is walter, real todd, right? in this situation, they've given the intelligence community to national security d o j a conviction, but they've also managed to secure julian's freedom. and so i think that's satisfied both parties in that sense. and,

and play that man in the middle diplomatic role. you know, you spoke about james class and before this, you know, he's come out saying, well, we've got what we wanted. julian served his time, we've got a conviction. so this is sort of messaging from the intelligence community that they should be happy with. this conviction, this conviction and play deal that a history and government was able to was able to broker in terms of julian safety in australia. he's incredibly popular with these getting people that day when he stepped off that plane onto the time back. i've got thousands of messages, people with celebrating bobbing bowls and champagne sauces. some people said this is like christmas, that that was the feeling, the feeling back back in australia. that's how popular julie i saw one person on rupert murdoch's abc sky, no sky. because sky news in australia is owned by the roof of model organizations

where it goes to comcast. in other countries saying is a criminal and continuing to repeat this kind of thing. and so that is the, the, those of those, uh, these generals that on psycho generals that are out totally how to touch with the, with the public sentiment. and that's why those sort of statements, they don't really have any echo they, they're just sort of full flat, particularly when julian's walking around free in australia. so i think really the public sentiment and, and julian's popularity straightens love and under dog 11 on the dog story. and, and he's, he's one of as easy is astray, his son. and he will be protected by the population. and by his support, the, i believe the hatred for him a in the new york times of this week, k, i because they say, but he was against us imperialism. that makes it, that different, presumably alluding to him dying that go without book when he was dragged out by

british security forces from political asylum, the ecuadorian embassy. why is it because julie, this ons expose secrets of the russian state boot instict of china, of iran. why is it, do you think that we agree? it's countries and i'll present we not things because you know, she didn't bring or coming, he would like expose. why is it these countries in the end said no, you must speaking for he and the united states has secrets because julia, so i'm just waking leaks, organization with them. power. it was a, it was truth to buy. it was exposing the secrets of the powerful it didn't matter where they're going and the american me why, why was the amount, why did the americans hate wiki leaks move? well, he, he embarrassing, he embarrassed them him, paris the way that they struck the way that they ruled the world, and the way that they use the power in,

in countries overseas. these conspiracies between the institutions of states, the corporate media and the corporations. julian, expose those, and it's written the whole system. it's written the whole system of how they exercise power around the world and they were front and that was very, very frightened, that they wouldn't be able to hold onto that power. and so they, uh, the solution was to go up to julian. and i think you can look at the timeline from 2017 of when they need a julian of the same in 2019. and so julians of the same and 2019 and you see all these other factors, all these other areas where they would clamp downs on the free incident and things started to change in silicon valley spoken to people in silicon valley. and they said, the revolutionary spirit of the 2016, the revolutionary spirit,

and the spirit of the free internet was almost turned on its head in. so we can valley off to 2016. and these, all these corporations, all these social media corporations, were turned on their heads and became sort of of the state to sense and to manipulate people. and i think what happened to julian is actually in line with that real clamp down around 2019. and i'm looking forward to 2020 and, and the last 4 or 5 years that we've, that we've lived for live through and the sort of resurgence of the near conservative project. but ironically, and finally, how important is it? the president told trump. parties him for the future of journalism journalist all around the world because he still has this felony that he's pleaded guilty to julia as others to save his own life, pleading guilty to a crime he didn't commit. uh,

how important is it for the president to, to body? so it's important for americans, it's important for a normal americans and the people of sending congress the laws within the congress . right. have really recognize that, that what this has done with this conviction has done, has criminalized journalism. this, it describes essentially investigative journalism. it's going off to the general source relationship of publishing classified information, possessing classified information. that's old, become a legal now under what's happened to julian massage and is there is a huge amount of concern in the united states. we just were talking off here about ken ross, the head of the of human rights watch has actually come out against against this plea deal, saying that it is a real threat. and these elements that were used in the, in the initial environment. these element,

they sort of the elements that the to frame julian is a heck a they were completely left out of, of all of the plea deal of the conviction. and so it's actually, julian is, is a journalist according to this, according to this conviction. and that is a legal so what i can do, i have ken wrote the saying that and he's the hunter rush. oh really? that's the that's quite something gabriel shifted. congratulations and say hi to julian this onto the thing with going into your yeah, thank you. i should thank you. i'll continued condolences also to those bereaved by u. k. u. s. u, i'm genocide will be back on monday of this week. celebrations of opec plus is venezuela's independence day with the grades that is on your power bill. a new book, referencing julia sanchez, information investigates the u. s. u. k. attempt to destroy the country with the world's largest oil resources until then keep in touch 5 or less social media. if it's more expensive in your country and i do i channel going underground tv and rumbled, i'll come to watch new and old episodes, i'm going underground. see monday, the the

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