i'm action or time say welcome back to going under going broke of single around the world from the you. a julian assange is free. you can watch our interviews with them, exposing google. hillary clinton's attempt as a book us democracy and blame russia. that alone data will crimes in iraq and all around the world. it was with unique that expose jake sullivan, biden's, now national security advisor. right. thank you. how kind it was on the same side as the usa. it was leaking, leaks that exposed the present head of the ca, explaining the u. s. propagation of russia that would lead to war in europe. well is of course, before his torture by britain and the u. s. u k. plans to assassinate him. some who have cold res release on going underground never got to see him go free fashion, designer, vivian westwood. mental gavin mccarthy and pentagon whistle blow down those bugs and the grades on pills. you all of whom passed away, while a silence was tortured with me here and do by. as julian's brother gabriel shipped in his documentary, it's like a shot at the struggle to free julian assange. gabriel, thank so much for coming on the show. and as did you say, going underground,

i got to ask you 1st of all, where, where you and you didn't use that to jo biden's. justice department had been defeated by a man who had been tortured in london, who uh, we know was the target of assassination attempts by britain and the united states and of the connivance of city of stomach, the new k authorities. well, i went to see julian probably around around a month ago, and he did mention to me at the time that there was probably going to be a resolution in down the track, possibly 3 weeks. full weeks time, which i took with a grain of salt at the time for that. okay. yeah, let's see what happens. and then about a week, a week before he was put on the jet, i was getting calls from him very excited calls from julian going through of all the little bits of logistics that had been set up every day. there was some

progress legit getting locked in his movement from inside the prison at the very early hours in the morning. so he could be undetected taken to stance to the airport and the little bits and pieces that were all falling into place. so it was very, very hard to keep that a secret and it was, you know, essentially a political miracle that this was able to be pulled off. and i think i as a credit, due to people like you who have been reporting on this a little felt the many, many years last stood in 14 years and the grass roots. if it's by normal people around the world, it's sort of restored your faith in humanity to really say no more people giving up that time giving up the money, the connections, the if it to save,

join us on. i know so inspiring all those thousands of people, tens of 1000 through rain and chime outside those courtrooms. but you didn't think it was a sign of julian's mental mental problems that he was so hopeful that this was another because he had a really bad medical problems in britain's suplex prison. as far as i understand that roger waters is being on the show, i mean, he was shocked and we could see him visibly shop. john pilcher was shot so many times after seeing your brother. yeah, it was hot breaking going and seeing him inside the inside the prison action. a cell neighbor committed suicide while he was there. yes, one of his friends, a brazilian man committed suicide, but there's regularly depths inside the prison in the united states, keeping company with the sort of the worst of that was murder is all thoughts of those sorts of prisoners. and those of the people he keeps company with

. he was an a 2 by 3, made a cell, but in 2019 with nose. no. so the you in special repertoire and torture, went to see him and took those 2 independent doctors. they found he'd suffering the effects of psychological torture. and that was in 2019 and his situation didn't change. he had the never ending extradition to a country that had pulled it to kill him hanging over his head the prison conditions bearing down on his body and his mind. but you know that's all over now action. and now he has time to be with his family. he's out in his dreading bush, enjoying the sunshine, enjoying the bird songs, putting his feet in the sand. uh so i think happier times ahead and i'll go and see him this week. actually, i'm going to go and see him and very excited just but it was his birthday. really

for give brittany. do you think? i mean, a, i believe i forget the guardian newspaper where i started my career on it still printed so many equivocal pieces over the years, double crossed and lied about passwords. or i think because we have noticed that the guardian, who's been on the street with the form of you in repertory torture, now with the red cross, said it was these newspapers and media there are pos, with the psychological torture. and that they were is putting upon your brother, your look even now, even now you can see the legacy made here. and a lot of these so called journalist sort of wanting to go out and signal to the friends and intelligence community. you know that they're still faithful home to them. they are repeating of me is notes means that on even that the us save the colors about their thing here. oh, that's about he killed people who are relations with any reality. exactly. right. i

mean, are you going to sue every single one of them and get the car and, and the new york times sellersburg family 0 times today, to me about james clapper the form and national security office of national intelligence. the said this show was somehow a threat to the united states. yeah. game is saying things like, you know, he gave things on redacted. this was a problem, little digs it. yeah. so it's still going on now and, but i think the person that putting julian's free will, the, the hard work is paid off the, the millions around the world, the world leaders who have been advocating for julian, it's all paid off. so they sorts of attacks and it's me is, you know, everybody can say now that what you say that the chief prosecution i wrote because saying there was no one was scale. now because of these, this genuine journalism, the julian is on state, but matthew miller, united to the blink, and skate to bomb and repeat it, repeated the lie to the press. who i don't know whether you saw that digital press

conference on the day your brother was released or do they've made headlines here. what is the do by newspaper golf news? that's the biggest story in the world. even bigger than gaza. yep. and the girl as a genocide, hassan and your brother to be freed, a free man after 14 years. that is the biggest story. but matthew miller says, what did you think of that press conference? you know, i've seen matthew miller, he well, he worked in the obama justice department and he's actually done interviews. and before he went to the state department saying, there's a reason why we didn't pursue this case. that it posed a threat to the 1st amendment. and that's why the amount of justice department didn't pursue, and matthew meant, and it was on record about saying that. and so it's a very interesting to watch him change his june now and now he's inside the state department, but i think you really have to look at what the judge who accepted julian's play. deal said they said the us government cannot find a victim in related, in relation to the so called chronic journalism that julian, committed

a so i think that's a, that's what's on the record and that, that's what the judge said during that hearing. so you just have to look back to those sort of factual elements that were accepted by us judge and hold them up to a slide to what matthew mill is saying, and it just his arguments fall apart, right? it just doesn't make sense and actually exposes them. those sorts of people for what they really are in my opinion. yeah. and the reductions, i think the one point really nice me of a team there to for they redact, i feel they went too far. sometimes in the reductions, why are they making out that the guardian in particular, which is the one you might have to tell a view, is remind them that it was them that linked the pos which own redacted, wicked expel? that's right. loo cutting and david lee who rushed out a book about the wiki leaks leaks,

or the version of it. they rushed out this book and one of the chapter headings was a password to the encrypted file of the diplomatic cable set up. and that was the password the julian had given them. he even had, there was an element of that possible cool. the salt, and julian's explained to them this element, you can never write down. you can never shed. because that sort of gives the possible even most strings having that sold element. and these journalists, you know, in the recklessness or published the whole password to this encrypted file. and so from that, from that chapter, hitting a different tag was able to research and find out that that was possible to the encrypted file. and then crypt on the website run by john young. a us website grouped and got old was the 1st to publish the i'm rejected a cable set. so julian and wiki likes when even the 1st to publish this,

this is unproductive cable set. and i think that part of the education process that we've been doing in this campaign is telling that story, that the, the, the people actually responsible for this on rejected lake. uh, the uh, the guardian june was david lee and luke harding. interesting, the julian developed some tools that allowed the reduction of these boss strows of information such as a program that would look for that, use the dictionary to search these these will files and will logs for problem nouns and would take out those names. so he was at the forefront of this process of reduction. and at the time journalists who are working with in said the people inside the traditional news rooms were actually more reckless than julian was when

it came to rejecting these names. and as for more bad guys, and the story is it? well, we knew that need don't shape a guy who double called you know, on the early days he destroyed perhaps valuable cables. it would have given us an insight into the so called war on terra in afghanistan and iraq war they also have to be destroyed, was nothing really destroyed is part of the pretty deal. i know how we get on to discovery, which is an element of supply deal as well, but or what was this that had to be destroyed? you need to. so i just tried an affidavit that christopher the robinson has been on this row many times over the years i've destroyed what it was, anything unpublished related to the chelsea many lakes this. that's my understanding from what very public julia. it doesn't matter if somebody else has it already. well, you know, it was a dead man switch file. well, i guess so, but you know, it was an instruction from the courts to julie and in which he likes to destroy any,

any of those falls that hadn't, hadn't been published published already. i mean, interestingly, when julian lift this up to he was given permission to leave sweden after answering questions in relation to into this a 6 or somebody is political asylum. yes. yeah. and so at the, at that time he's bags went missing when he took that flight from sweden to the united kingdom. and that those, those bags actually had even more of the chelsea many lake that never sold a lot of di, including some of the very well known messic has in, in afghanistan. so the video though, so those are things that you know, will never, will never say from this lake that will never know about. and so the historical impacted wiki likes is, speaks for itself really in,

in what it was able to achieve over the years. and what these lakes actually meant to normal people, the people who are new, who are just trying to make their lives better. who are trying to make correct decisions about who to vote for how to make a simple educated decisions about who they want the latest to be for the war and a rock, for instance, that famous cable that well, i will, i'll just stop if you have a real war that in part 2, more from the brother when he leaves found the julie this, i just this break the the, the,

[000:00:00;00] the other way, not to the right. so see what's printing was, are up at the moment. this is just so basically of course we need the last name was needed, read it almost. and when we used to live,

imagine we have some more by us or someone who has this relationship to the the the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with the brother of wiggs found to julia. that's on gabriel shifting. gabriel, you were interrupted by me in part one when you were talking about the importance to normal everyday people. if people don't know who julia massage is just knowing vaguely and legal proceedings that have been talked about for 14 years, it was, it was, as you say, the was in iraq and afghanistan. i was talking about this stuff that was destroyed . there was no public interest defense. i knew when a legal scholars when the bindings justice department in the plea deal told them

you have to destroy some information that hadn't previously unpublished. there was no defense on the sides of the legal team to go. but what if some of it is in the public interest? no, no, no, no, julian, actually one thing the julian didn't say during this hearing is that that he didn't realize that the espionage act trumps the the 1st amendment. and i think that's clearly that was a very clear and direct message to everybody out there. what this what this play deal and what this prosecution actually means is that did you go? because in this colonial magistrate, us colonial magistrate, the islands with the us uh flew. that'd be 29th to murder people in the rush. we mega saki and all that way. it's so close and julia. so i'm still said watch out judge. there's a conflict between still constitution in the us village. well, because you go, no, i mean this is, this is you, i'm going to get

a bad us onto you. i, i, you know, i think he would have had to size. i'm thinking and he's very deliberate and very thoughtful about things like that that he wants to say and, and frame things around around the things that he thinks are important. so i have a trust julian, i have faith in his is ability to raise and make these determinations. but it was nerve wracking. i was watching live the actual many, many people out there were watching the log footage and, and just hoping that it was all going to go through because, you know, i'm not sure how i really trust the united states and the justice system. but they were starting, diplomats there with him the u. k. hot commissioner, steven smith, the ex prime minister catalan's. right. right. the oh yes, sorry. the u. k. i guys you said in your strategy and the mattress. yes. that's

right. and the next prime minister, kevin rod, who is now the ambassador to united states for strength. they were there with him as a sort of, i guess, guarantor of his safety and that he would get, they needed someone that important to give us a little bit of a piece of gone through this trial. and it's because your sister in law, the wife of julia design sellers on show the press part of the plea deal means we could now look into discovery into what they were doing. as regards the assassination attempt, no britain in the united states brought into bones in london, car chases, murder, your brother, then all out, but. and then she looked pointedly at the president, australia, the prescott said, you can do that throughout julian's way. this freedom of information rights in the united states, but the rest of the press having obviously said, and i think it's up to them to really dig around and get to the bottom of what's

happened in this case. i think you mentioned those plots to kill julian that were going around sketches and plans within the sea. i was thinking that julian that made it as high as, as the white house, and i think there's still a lot to uncover it in that. and in julian's persecution famously case, tom is emails when he was at the cps, that mysteriously disappeared relating to his trips to washington. while julian was in the ecuadorian, m. c. so there is lots of might be a prime minister as like a scholar at the time of this recording is not, but yes, and this will be a dark cloud. i think of a, he's prime minister ship if, if he's so i think there is still a lot to uncover. and many people who have involved themselves in julian's persecution, of the youths who have got it on their hands. you don't takes it. he has cut them,

is the view that all the other documents were destroyed as was the, as was the procedure he was head of the crown prosecution service, which was desperately trying to extradite your brother to sweden. for perhaps, i think most of us believe extradition to the united states by a different route than the espionage. right? yeah, that's right. he was the head of the cps at that time during that whole process, the longest running preliminary investigation in swedish history. and those, those famous e mails that were if i want us to find the emergency with the swedish prosecutors emailing the u. k prosecutor saying, we want to drop this we, we were to come and question him so that we can move on and, and get rid of this. and because no charges have any sexual call, no, nothing, no charges of a light. and they actually communicated to the cps that they wanted to close it and bring it to an end. and the response was, this is more, this is about more than a, an x and normal extradition don't, you know,

don't get cold feet. and so i think that evidence is out there and there, there will be more to come, i believe, as, as time goes by, as things become uncovered. i'm a journalist, dig into the record around julian's persecution about the new british prime minister as if i knew my read seems to be on the show. the great italian john, this is already on said your sister in law school for the for our in i understand she's not getting anything gold. 2025 randy credit go with the great american activist because famously on coming boss of b, u. c. global investigation into what was happening as regards trump's funded. one of jumps fund is that we were involved a company that was spying on. perhaps you, your district or illegal? julia decided legal counsel. medical doctors also mex blumenthal. of course, how safe is he in australia? you know, we,

i think john pills you would always sometimes mention golf with them and how he was brought down by the british government, the former bridge, the australian prime minister, he opposed the vietnam war. u. s. foreign policy was just taken out by the british government. that's what a strangely, it happened. so it was really politician to pay a pose the united states. albanese seems to be steadfast with your brother, julius andre hasn't been killed. loan deposed or will i think the startling government is walter, real todd, right. in this situation, they've given the intelligence community to national security d o j a conviction, but they've also managed to secure julian's freedom. and so i think that's satisfied both parties in that sense. and implied that man in the middle diplomatic role. you know, you, you spoke about trans classes before the see what he's come out saying, well, we got what we wanted. julian served his time, we've got a conviction. so this is sort of messaging from the intelligence community that

they should be happy with. this conviction, this conviction and play deal that the history and government was able to was able to broker in terms of julian safety in australia. he's incredibly popular with these training people that day when he stepped off that plane onto the time back. i've got thousands of messages, people with celebrating popping bowls and champagne sauces. some people said this is like christmas, that that was the feeling, the feeling back back in australia. and that's how popular julie i saw one person on rupert murdoch's abc scott, no sky. because sky news in australia is owned by the model. organizations where it goes to comcast, in other countries saying is a criminal and continuing to repeat this kind of thing. and so that is the, the, those of those, uh, these generals that own. so go generals that are out totally how to touch with the,

with the public sentiment. and that's why those sort of statements, they don't really have any echo they, they just sort of full flat, particularly when julian's walking around free in australia. so i think really the public sentiment and, and julian's popularity straightens love and the dog they love. and on the dog story and, and he's, he's one of, as it is, a strategy is something and he will be protected by the population. and by his support, the, i believe the hatred for him a in the new york times of this week, k, i because they say, but he was against us imperialism. that makes it, that different, presumably alluding to him, king that go without book when he was dragged out by british security forces from political asylum, the ecuadorian embassy. why is it because julie, this orange exposure secrets of the russian state boots instict of china, of iran. why is it, do you think that we had we,

it's countries and the present. we know things that because you know, change in pain or coming the would like expose. why is it these countries in the end said, no, you must speaking for he and the united states has secrets because julia, so i'm just waking leaks, organization with them. power. it was a, it was truth to buy. it was exposing the secrets of the powerful it didn't matter where they're going and the american me why, why was the i'm, why did the americans hate wiki leaks move? well, he, he, embarrassing, he embarrassed them him past the way that they struck the way that they ruled the world in the way that they use the power in, in countries overseas. these conspiracies between the institutions of stace, the corporate media and the corporations. julian,

expose those and it's written the whole system. it's written the whole system of how they exercise power around the world. and they were frightened, very, very frightened, that they wouldn't be able to hold onto that power. and so they, uh, the solution was to go up to julian. and i think you can look at the timeline from 2017 of when they made a julian of the same in 2019. and so julians off the st in 2019. and you see all these other factors, all these other areas where they were clamped down on the free internet and things started to change in silicon valley. i've spoken to people in silicon valley and they said, the revolutionary spirit of the 2016, the revolutionary spirit, and the spirit of the free internet was almost turned on its head in silicon valley, off the 2016. and these, all these corporations, all these social media corporations,

were turned on their heads and became sort of of the state to sense and to manipulate people. and i think what happened to julian is actually in line with that real clamp down around 2019 and, and looking forward to 2020. and the last 4 or 5 years that we've, that we've lived for live through and the sort of resurgence of the conservative project. but ironically, and finally, how important is it? the president donald trump, parties him for the future of journalism journalist all around the world because he still has this felony because he's pleaded guilty to julia as others to save his own life, pleading guilty to a crime he didn't commit. uh, how important is it for the president to, to the body? so it's important for americans. it's important for a normal americans and the people of sending congress the laws within the congress . right. have really recognize that,

that what this has done with this conviction has done, has criminalized journalism. this, it describes essentially investigative journalism. it's going off to the general source relationship of publishing classified information, possessing classified information. that's old, become a legal now under what's happened to join a search and is there is a huge amount of concern in the united states. we just were talking of here about ken ross, the head of the, of human rights, which is actually gonna come out against, against this plea deal, saying that it is a real threat. and these elements that were used in the, in the initial environment. these elena, they sort of the elements that the to frame julian is a hacker, they would completely lift out of, of, of the plea deal of the conviction. and so it's actually, julian is, is a journalist according to this, according to this conviction. and that is a legal so what i can do,

i have can wrote the saying that i needed to know how to rush off. my really, that's the, that's quite something gabriel shifted. congratulations and say hi to julian this on joel. the team of going into your yeah, thank you option. thank you. continued condolences also to those bereaved by u. k. u s e u, i'm genocide will be back on monday after this week. celebrations of opec plus is venezuela's independence day with the grades that is in your power bill. the new book, referencing julia sanchez, information investigates the u. s. u. k. attempt to destroy the country with the world's largest oil resources until then keep in touch by the social media of it. so extensive new country and i do i channel going underground tv and rumbled i'll come to watch new and old episodes of going on to go and see monday

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