the text and then put a note to the, to the i'm action or time. see welcome back to going, undergoing broadcasting all around the world from the you a julian assange is free. you can watch our interviews with them exposing google hillary clinton's attempt to so, but us democracy and blame russia that illuminate a war crimes in iraq and all around the world. it was with unique that expose jake sullivan, biden's, now national security advisor ryan speaking, how kind that was on the same side as the usa. it was leaking leaks that exposed the present head of the ca, explaining the u. s. propagation of russia that would lead to war in europe. well, is, of course, before his torture by britain and the u. s. u k. plans to assassinate him. some who

have called for his release on going underground. never got to see him go free fashion, designer, vivian, westwood, mentor, gavin mccloud in pentagon whistleblower down those bug and the grades on pills. you all have him passed away while a silence was tortured with me here and do by his. julian's brother gabriel shipped in his documentary. it's like a shot at the struggle to free julian assange. gabriel, thank so much for coming on the show. and as did you see going underground, i got to ask you 1st of all, where, where you and you heard the news that the jo biden's justice department had been defeated by a man who had been tortured in london, who we know was the target of assassination attempts by britain and the united states, under the connivance of city of stomach and u. k. authorities. well, i went to see julian probably around around a month ago, action and he did mention to me at the time that there was probably going to be a resolution in on the track, possibly 3 weeks. full weeks time, which i took was

a grand assault at the time of the florida. okay. yeah, let's see what happens. and then about a week, a week before he was put on the jet, i was getting calls from him very excited calls from julian going through all the little bits of logistics that had been set up every day. there was some progress legit getting locked in his movement from inside the prison at the very early hours in the morning. so he could be on detected taken to stands to the airport and the little bits and pieces that were all falling into place. so it was very, very hard to keep that a secret and it was, you know, essentially a political miracle that this was able to be pulled off. i think i as a credit, due to people like you who it's been reporting on this,

the fill out the many, many years. the last stood in 14 years and the growth roots efforts by normal people around the world. it sort of restores your faith in humanity to really say normal people giving up the time, giving up the money, the connections. if it's to save julia. massage, i know so inspiring all those thousands of people, tens of thousands to rain and trying outside those courtrooms. but you didn't think it was a sign of julian's mental mental problems that he was so hopeful that this was another because he had a really bad medical problems in britain's suplex prison. as far as i understand that roger waters is being on this row. i mean he was shocked and we could see him as a body shop. john pilcher was shot so many times after seeing your brother. yeah,

it was hot breaking going and seeing him inside the inside the prison action. a cell neighbor committed suicide while he was there. yes, one of his friends, a brazilian man committed suicide, but there's regularly depths inside the prison. he, the inmates is keeping company with the sort of the worst of the was murder is all thoughts of those sorts of prisoners. and those of the people he keeps company with. he was an a 2 by 3 made a cell, but in 2019 with nose. no. so the you in special repertoire and torture went to see him and took those 2 independent doctors. they found he'd suffering the effects of psychological torture. and that was in 2019, and his situation didn't change. he had the never ending the extradition to a country that had ported to kill him hanging over his head, the prison conditions bearing down on his body and his mind. but you know,

that's all over now action and now he has time to be with his family. he's out in australian bush, enjoying the sunshine and joining the bird songs, putting his feet in the sand. so. so i think happier times ahead and i'll go and see him this week. actually i'm going to go and see him and you are very excited just but it was his birthday. really for give brittany, do you think? i mean a, i believe i forget the guardian newspaper where i started my career on it still for the printed so many equivocal pieces over the years, double crossed and lied about passwords that were, i think because we was noticing the guardian who's been on this year with the form you in repertory georgia, now at the red cross said it was these newspapers and media, the pos are the psychological torture and that they were putting upon your brother, your look, even now, even now you can see the legacy made here and

a lot of these so called journalist sort of wanting to go out and signal to the friends and intelligence community, you know that they're still faithful home to them. they are repeating. of me is notes means that on even that the usa, the all is well good thing here. oh, that's about he killed people really relations and we can be reached at the exactly right. i mean, are you going assume every single one of them and get the car and, and the new york times sellersburg or families new york times today to worry about . james clapper the form and national security office of national intelligence. the said this show was somehow a threat to the united states. yeah. game is saying things like, you know, he gave things on redacted. this was a problem, little digs it. yeah. so it's still going on now and, but i think the person that putting julian's free will, the hard work is paid off the, the millions around the world, the world leaders who are advocating for julian it's,

it's all paid off. so these sorts of attacks and it's me is, you know, everybody can say now that when you say that the chief prosecution of rubble causing there was no one was scale. now because of these, this genuine journalism, the julian is on state, but matthew miller, united and he blinked and state the palm and repeated repeated the lie to the press . who i didn't know what he saw, that visible press conference on the day your brother was released. dave made headlines here. what is the do by newspaper golf? news? that's the biggest story in the world. even bigger than gaza. yeah. and the girl as a genocide, hassan and your brother to be freed, a free man after 14 years. that is the biggest story. but matthew miller says, what did you think of that press conference? you know, i've seen matthew miller, he well, he worked in the obama justice department and he's actually done interviews. and before he went to the state department saying, there's a reason why we didn't pursue this case. that it posed a threat to the 1st amendment. and that's why the

a mom or justice department didn't pursue and matthew met and he was on record about saying that. and so it's a very interesting to watch him change his june now. and now he's inside the state department, but i think you really have to look at what the judge who accepted julian's play. deal said they said the us government cannot find a victim in related, in relation to the so called crime of journalism that julian committed a so i think that's a, that's what's on the record and that, that's what the judge said during that hearing. so you just have to look back to those sort of factual elements that were accepted by us judge and hold them up to the slide to what matthew mill is saying, and it just his arguments fall apart, right? it just doesn't make sense and actually exposes then those sorts of people for what they really are in my opinion. yeah. and the reductions, i think at one point, julian, as me, the team there to be redact,

i feel they went too far. sometimes in the reductions, why are they making out to the guardian in particular, which is the one you might have to tell a view is remind them that it was them that linked to policy, which own redacted, wicked expel. that's right, loo cutting and david lee who rushed out a book about the wiki leaks league, so the village and all that, they rushed out this book and one of the chapter headings was a password to the encrypted file of the diplomatic cable set up. and that was the password the julian had given them even had, there was an element of that possible called a salt. and julian explained to them this element, you can never write down, you can never share. because that sort of gives the possible even more strings having that sold element. and these journalists, you know, in the recklessness or published the whole password to this encrypted file. and

so from that, from that chapter hitting the defraud tug was able to research and find out that that was the possible to the encrypted file. and then crypt on the website run by john young. a us website group time dot old was the 1st to publish the i'm rejected a cable set. so julian and wiki legs, one, even the 1st to publish. this is unproductive cable set. and i think that part of the education process that we've been doing in this campaign is telling that story, that the, the, the people actually responsible for this on rejected lake uh, the uh, the guardian journalist, david lee and luke harding. interestingly, julian developed some tools that allowed the reduction of these boss strows of information such as

a program that would look for that, use the dictionary to search these, these war files and will logs for problem nouns and would take out those names. so he was at the forefront of this process of reduction. and at the time journalist who were working with in said the people inside the traditional news rooms were actually more reckless than julian was when it came to rejecting these names. and as for more bad guys, and the story isn't well, we knew that, um, uh, does it need don't shape a guy who double called, you know, on the early days he destroyed perhaps valuable cables. it would have given us an insight into the so called war on terra in afghanistan and iraq. will they also have to be destroyed or it was nothing really destroyed as part of the pre deal. i know how to get them to discovery, which was an element of believe deals as well, but of what was this had to be destroyed you need to. so i just tried an affidavit

that kristin robinson has been on this row many times over the is destroyed what there was anything unpublished related to the chelsea many lakes this that's my understanding from what barry polak, julia. it doesn't matter if somebody else has it already. well, you know, it was a dead man switch file. well, i guess so, but you know, it was a, the instruction from the courts to julie and in which he likes to destroy any, any of those falls that hadn't, hadn't been published published already. i mean, interestingly, when julian lift this up to he was given permission to leave sweden after answering questions in relation to introduce the 6. it was from his political asylum. yes. yeah. and so at the, at that time he's bags went missing when he took that slot from sweden to the united kingdom. and that those, those bags actually had even more of the chelsea many lake that never sold

a lot of di, including some of the very well known messic has in, in afghanistan. so the video, the so those are things that you know, will never, will never say from this lake that will never know about. and so the historical impacted wiki likes is, speaks for itself really in, in what it was able to achieve over the years. and what these lakes actually meant to normal people, the people who are new to who are just trying to make their lives better. who are trying to make correct decisions about who to vote for how to make a simple educated decisions about who they want the latest to be for the war to rock, for instance, that famous cable that well, i will, i'll just stop here. how gabriel have more of that in part 2 more from the brother . we're getting signed to julie. this jobs with this break, the

. there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case all the methods of the people i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is 3rd world lunacy re washington. as for sort of wonderland likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals, which allow me something living on the have very quick propaganda. you know, price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask a better. the answer is, will be subject to itself, the gaining independence and from the form of the ivory coast remained under the strong influence of its foam and metropolitan. pro french president, felix, who said one year, ruled the country for 33 years, ensuring the interest to from the dead. the government dean isn't in the trunk.

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welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with the brother of wigs. one of the julia massage gabriel shifting. gabriel, you were interrupted by me in part one when you were talking about the importance to normal everyday people. if people don't know who julian assange is just knowing vaguely and legal proceedings that have been talked about for 14 years, it was, it was, as you say, the was in iraq and afghanistan. i was talking about this stuff that was destroyed . there was no public interest defense. i knew when a legal scholars, when the bindings justice department in the plea deal told them you have to destroy some information that hadn't previously unpublished. there was no defense on the sides of legal team to go. but what if some of it is in the public interest? no, no, no, no, julian, actually one thing that julian did say,

during this hearing is that the he didn't realize that the espionage act trumps the 1st amendment. and i think that's clearly, that was a very clear and direct message to everybody out there. what this what this play deal and what this prosecution actually means is that did you go? because in this colonial magistrate view as colonial magistrate the islands with the us of flu, that'd be 29 to murder people in the rush. we mega psyche and all that way. it's so close. i'm doing this on still said, what child judge, there's a conflict between as your constitution in the us village. well, did you go? no, i mean this is, this is you, i'm going to get a bed julia assigned to you. i, i, you know, i think he would have had to size, i'm thinking, and he's very deliberate and very thoughtful about things like that that he wants

to say and, and frame things around around the things that he thinks are important. so i have a trust julian, i have faith in his, you know, he's ability to raise and make these determinations. but it was nerve wracking. i was watching live the actual many, many people out there were watching the log footage and, and just hoping that it was all going to go through because, you know, i'm not sure how i really trust the united states and the justice system. but they were starting diplomats there within the u. k. hot commissioner, steven smith, the ex prime minister care was right. right. they? oh, yes, sorry. the u. k. i gave you started in your strategy and michael match. yes. that's right. and the next prime minister, kevin rod, who is now the ambassador to united states for strength. they were there with him as a sort of, i guess, guarantor of his safety and that he would get,

they needed someone that important to give us a little bit of a piece of comp is this trial. and it's because your sister in law, the wife of julia design sellers on show the press part of the plea deal means we could now look into discovery into what they were doing. as regards the assassination attempt, no britain in the united states brought into bones in london, car chases mother, your brother, dental allowed, but, and then she looked pointedly at the president, australia, the prescott said, you can do that throughout. julian's waived is freedom of information rights in the united states, but the rest of the press having, obviously so, and i think it's up to them to really dig around and get to the bottom of what's happened in this case. i think you mentioned those plots to kill julian that were going around sketches and plans within the c. i flips the kid naturally, and that made it as high as the white house. and i think there's still

a lot to uncover it in that. and in julian's persecution famously case, tom is emails when he was at the cps, that mysteriously disappeared relating to his trips to washington. while julian was in the ecuadorian, m. c. so there is lots of you, i be a prime minister as a care scholar at the time of this recording is not but yes, and this will be a dark cloud. i think a his prime minister ship if it is. so i think there is still a lot to uncover, and many people who have involved themselves in julian's persecution over the years who have go do it on the hands. you don't take suitcases, cut them is a view that all the other documents were destroyed as was the, as was the procedure, he was head of the crown prosecution service, which was desperately trying to extradite your brother to sweden for perhaps i

think most of us believe expedition to the united states by a different route than the espionage. right? yeah, that's right. he was the head of the cps of the, at that time, during that whole process, the longest running preliminary investigation in swedish history. and those, those famous e mails that were at the lod bus to find the emergency with the swedish prosecutors emailing the u. k. prosecutor saying, we want to drop this we, we would have come in question and so that we can move on and, and get rid of this thing. but there's no charges of any sexual car. no, nothing, no charges of a light and they actually communicate it to the c p a. so they wanted to close it and bring it to an end. and the response was, this is more, this is about more than a, an x and normal extradition. don't, you know, don't get cold feet. and so i think that evidence is out there, and there, there will be more to come. i believe, as, as time goes by,

as things become uncovered, more journalists dig into the record around julian's persecution about the new british prime minister. volume i read seems to be on the show. the great italian journalist has already on said, your sister in law school, put it for aaron. i understand. she's not getting anything gold. 2025. randy credit go with the great american actors. because famously on covering boss of b, u. c. global investigation into what was happening as regards trumps funded. one of jumped fund is that we were involved a company that was spying on. perhaps you, your district or illegal. julia decided legal counsel. medical doctors also max blumenthal. of course, how safe is he in australia? you know, we and i think john bills you would always, uh, sometimes mention golf with them and how he was brought down by the british government, the former bridge, the australian prime minister, he opposed the vietnam war. u. s. foreign policy was just taken out by the british

government as well. oh, straight, it happened. so it was really politician if they oppose the united states. alban aisy seems to be steadfast with your brother julia. this. andre hasn't been killed . that alone deposed your. well, i think the startling government is walter, real todd, right? in this situation, they've given the intelligence community to national security d o j a conviction, but they've also managed to secure julian's freedom. and so i think this satisfied both parties in that sense and implied that man in the middle diplomatic role. you know, you spoke about james class and before this, you know, he's come out saying, well, we've got what we wanted. julian served his time. we've got a conviction. so this is sort of messaging from the intelligence community that they should be happy with this conviction, this is conviction and, and play deal that the history and government was able to was able to broker in terms of julian safety in australia. he's incredibly popular with these threatening

people that day when he stepped off that plane onto the topic. i've got thousands of messages. people were celebrating popping bottles of champagne sauces. and people said this is like christmas. that that was the feeling, the feeling back back in australia. that's how popular julie i saw one person on rupert murdoch's abc scott, no sky. because sky news in australia is owned by the root of model organizations where it goes to comcast. in other countries saying he's a criminal and continuing to repeat this kind of thing. and so that is the both of those uh, these generals that on psycho generals that are out totally how to touch with the, with the public sentiment. and that's why those sort of statements, they don't really have any echo they, they're just sort of full flat, particularly when julian's walking around free in australia. so i think really the

public sentiment and, and julian's popularity straightens loveland under dog 11 and the dog story. and, and he's, he's one of as easy is astray, his son, and he will be protected by the population. and by his support the, i believe the hatred for him a, in the new york times of this week, k. i because they say, but he was against us imperialism. that makes it, that different, presumably alluding to him, king that go without book when he was dragged out by british security forces from political asylum, the ecuadorian embassy. why is it because julie, this orange exposure secrets of the russian state, boot instinct of china, of iran. why is it, do you think that we agree it's countries and i'll present we know things because you know, change in thing or coming e would like expose. why is it these countries in the end said, no, you must be confirmed. he and the united states has secrets because julia,

so i'm just waking leaks organization with the stem power. it was a, it was truth to power was exposing the secrets of the powerful it didn't matter whether it wasn't on the american why, why was the amount, why did the americans hate wiki leaks move? well, he, he embarrassed, and he embarrassed them him parents the way that they did struck the way that they ruled the world and the way that they use the power in, in countries overseas. these conspiracies between the institutions of stace, the corporate media and the corporations. julian, expose those and it's threatened the whole system. it's threatened to the whole system of how they exercise power around the world. and they were frightened, very, very frightened that they wouldn't be able to hold onto that power. and so they,

uh, the solution was to go up to julian, and i think you can look at the timeline from 2017 of when they need a julian of the same in 2019. and so julians off the scene in 2019 and you see all these other factors, all these other areas where they were clamped down on the free internet and things started to change in silicon valley. i've spoken to people in silicon valley and they said, the revolutionary spirit of the 2016, the revolutionary spirit, and the spirit of the free internet was almost turned on its head in silicon valley, off to 2016. and these, all these corporations, all these social media corporations, were turned on their heads and became sort of of the state defense and to manipulate people. and i think what happened to julian is actually in line with that real clamp down around 2019 and,

and looking forward to 2020. and the last 4 or 5 years that we've, that we've lived for live through and the sort of resurgence of the near conservative project. but ironically, and finally, how important is it a president gold trump? pardons him for the future of journalism journalist all around the world because he still has this felony, but he's pleaded guilty to julia as others to save his own life, pleading guilty to a crime he didn't commit. uh, how important is it for the president to as to the body? so it's important for americans. it's important for a normal americans and the people of sending congress the laws within the congress . right. have really recognize that, that what this has done, what this conviction has done, has criminalized gen, was this, it describes essentially investigative journalism. it's going off to the general source relationship of publishing classified information,

possessing classified information. that's old, become a legal now under what's happened to join a search and is there is a huge amount of concern in the united states. we just were talking of here about ken ross, the head of the, of human rights, which is actually gonna come out against, against this plea deal, saying that it is a real threat. and these elements that were used in the, in the initial environment. these elena, they sort of the elements that the to frame julian as a heck a they were completely left out of, of all of the plea deal of the conviction. and so it's actually, julian is, is a journalist according to this, according to this conviction. and that is a legal so what i can do, i have ken wrote the saying that i needed that. yeah. hunter rush. oh really? i'm sorry. that's quite something gabriel shifted. congratulations and say hi to julian this on joel the team of going into your yeah,

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