the main lines carrying capacity is set to reach 42000000 metric tons this year. all of us have tripled over the last 12 years. and right traffic is expected to grow even more. there's a lot of the reasons pivot to the east would not have been possible without the bike how a more main line. it can now be clearly stated that our previous assessors may not have known any nuances, but they absolutely calculated that this reversal would happen at some point. and thanks to them, we can now implement a number of projects that could not have been possible without this railway of route. and that's not where it ends because the bam is still growing with big plans ahead. the aim according to vladimir putin is to expand dresses, export, and trans with capabilities, as well as to raise the living standards for russians living nearby. and there's no need to get a shake. what we must do is not only to widen buckle next tasks. now, a far bigger along the entire length of the bottom main line,

we have to build what are essentially to be secondary continuous routes. build over 300 infrastructure sites. in 10 years time, the volume of traffic through the eastern folly gone of railways should reach 270000000 tons a year. big plans for big country that's looking ahead and send multi paula world where there's a growing over thanks to the band and it's big brother the trans siberian railway. it's never been easier. marina call, sort of i r t do say with our to international have next on rosa parks on a tax with her guest, former diplomat, the, i'm proud about what lies ahead for the west and the rest of the the

hello and welcome to was a part one victim that studying history teaches you is that everything works until it doesn't. the friday, the golden age, the dark, or maybe it's aftermath, especially when somebody tries to avert. then i'm going to go with the latest elections in the west, more and more vividly demonstrating the voters disenchantment with bateman date. of course, what do i have for the west and for the rest world to discuss that i'm now joined by m filed a former british diplomat and also roles and miss fit in moscow. how british diplomacy in russia failed as a proud,

as great to see you again. thank you very much for your time and this just to get on some of the things and by some you, by. now the last time we chatted, it was primarily about the case for and po assistance. he's a russia which borrowing from the title of your book sale. but to them, more interested in taking a look at the domestic politics across the west and also in the united kingdom. because we have had a number of major political events like elections in your own country or in france . the has been some debate in the united states, and i think in all of those, the political establishment is looking rather clumsily. i wonder if you see that as just um, you know, unrelated sequence of, of vows or do you think it signifies some sort of a trend, perhaps the turn of the tie, the political side? well, i mean, they're the 2 aspects of the space. one is that politics moves and cycles anyway, and what we're seeing in the u. k. is it just a natural kind of

a new image of the cycle to so from give it, it becomes a spinning past 14 years. and that's kind of, you know, that if flows up and down into is it's kind of more matchless, more international movements. uh, i tend to think um, but you know, the other aspect, it's a specific nature of what we see today happening, where there's quite a shop can move away from the consensus, the main political parties in several countries. the u. k. being a being born, obviously the late body will gain power in the u. k, but we're seeing the why is it or the mon message body. so the reform party sort of gaining motivates and of course in the fonts in the back of the cons decision which could, for the 1st time a she could have hand. uh, let's see. what is the 2nd line of waiting says, but to moving depends that's, that's potty the. so i think there is sort of a in bass and i still sense of the kind of shift away from the mainstream kind of political bodies,

which i'm very on seeing the questions people worried about stay on the cost of living clauses on as far as i'm concerned as an internationally some for example, what's happening in ukraine. another can i don't complex. so in the world, i think this concern that connotes these traditional policies, and nobody's saying anything different from each other on these big global challenges which i need seem to be getting, was pulled up. even though studies horse thing, slightly different things they have. they tend to do uh, the same things when they come to power. and, you know, the last time we discussed your book, one of your arguments was the west and the leaves have become sole cell sensors and because of perhaps so arrogant that they couldn't be bothered with starting the reality. you know, establishing facts on the ground objective facts on the ground and, you know, making the decisions whatever they may be based on those realities on the ground. and i one day that applies to domestic politics as well that you know, they, they press a certain core worse, which may be totally unrolled as from what the reality actually calls for. yeah,

i think this probably by oaks on it. i think what he also sees it is less of a separation between from the states and media now as well. you know, like what you see something in the u. k. in the press, when you took by ukraine, for example, somebody i'm going to think about it pretty much every day. this kind of thing, no difference between what a full, the, the, the 2 main political parties say in was going to media. say it, is it almost kind of a complete cancellation of debate with facts so relevant to kind of, you know, the narrative the think what the purpose parties are doing is they actually, i mean debates and that's on angie's kind of stuff with the government and this and major medium and you talking about the thing that's kind of new, particularly because the people i'm based on the dates a basis. they and these are for quite middle class. it'd be in good jobs, but have a little bit of information about what's happening in lots of situations. so in the world and even though in countries. so the inc, actually, if populism is getting people to talk more,

i will fax the mill events and i think that's a good thing with mr. proud. i think there is also it a very important distinction there between again, preaching and practicing because it is true that the populace parties are addressing bread and butter issues. but sometimes i get an impression that they're doing that just for the sake, all 5, you know, popular or um, you know, for vacation, do you think they actually uh, me and do you think they actually in time to put that into a real policies for the people because from all the examples we have had up until now, even with trying to reach was a major example in the united states. you know, getting those ideas. realized is a huge challenge. i'm not even sure it's 3 a like it's a, it's possible bestbuy to come to the specific drug going to the end of, of the on so, but i mean, i think i'm a no, i think there's a genuine desire to kind of do something different from the main stream in creating on situations like, you know, you, clay,

nobody's talking about this kind of ridiculous situation where we could get any way to can succeed in ukraine is to send billions and billions and billions of weapons and nothing. but he seems to be improving any crazy, so gladly losing, nobody's talking about an alternative to that. and i think that needs to be that's a base. so i think most people at niger flaws and others, including civic tool, bundled by the need for negotiate to supplement. i think that's a genuine sentiment. i think people genuinely thing. well maybe we need see something different. you know that, and i think that's a good thing then we should encourage that and that'll and trump, what happens that, i mean when you go back to insulation, but in 2016 is coming in in 2017 was different than was that i see the, the political establishment and washington, including with it within its own political positive of pumpkins, was totally set against him. having any improvements of relations with russia. i think that dynamic may sadly have changed now. where in congress and get it in some of the media more generally, there's a much more open debate about what i see is

a good idea, just pumping billions of weapons into ukraine. so i think that dynamic that political dynamic and washington dc is different now than it was kind of the years ago when you had from last suddenly election campaign, the one. so i think, i think if we were to empower and let's face it. if joe biden stays in the vice and the lights and increases day by day, the think the political dynamics of dc will be different. put trump, and it would, he would have, i think more space to have to pay to buy that. she kind of changing the particular state is going to cry. now you mentioned something about bus 2 crane and one budgeting trying to receive across the entire west, including the u. k. is an increase in military responding us. russia being used as a primary pre tax, and it's suppose as aggressive motives, and that's pretty be understandable. after all, there is a conflict ranging in the rushes increasing its uh,

military spending as well. but one thing the kremlin is very cautious about is making sure that they are also putting a lot of resources into uh, the quality and availability of public goods saw that the public's doesn't get too testy and that's ultimately wouldn't be politics. it's all has always been about, you know, managing your foreign policy concerns against the, the domestic challenges with put you on the police. it's a very clear she makes that statement in, in every of he's pretty much every of his speech is that there is a priority of domestic politics above any war and adventures. do you think it's the same in the west? do you think the politicians and the best actually put that priority on the well being of that own people? northern speeches, but in actual policy? well, i mean there are 2 aspects of that. firstly, i mean certainly if you look at the code election and you tell you guys dominated

by domestic issues, no one's really talking about what's happening on, on the world stage. that's focusing on things like the cost of living crisis. yeah, yes. really so, so the answer these ballooning, you know, and i know, i know, i know, you know, they made a commitment. they've made a commitment to increase defense spending is $2.05 of gdp by delay putting the consecutive punch. but the point is, nobody is talking about about that debate is just being, you know, based on that debate that, that's just been accepted this given. but the debate itself is really about domestic issues that's, that's at the, that's a past aspect. that's the 1st aspect of my response to a question. the 2nd aspect is, even though they don't talk to you by the all the actually really make us any save . you know, by how the phone policy is actually increasing, the likelihood of a must be a general conflict unit in europe. but i think that they absolutely on helping the domestic constituencies because even though they, they, this is the debates, is actually the policies that she make the allies much more dangerous. yes. you

know, we're worried about the cost of living causes, getting appointments in the hospital ensemble way to buy new table, frankly. now there is an argument in british politics that, um, you know, your political environment reached its big back in 2016. i mean, the, the big of population reached with the breakfast. well done that if the labor wins this time around the developing, the 5, the return of british political life back to, to the center and the bread and butter concerns, which they certainly press the rhetorical we do actually by do you think there is a sort of this either mentioned within your political leads to actually get to the, you know, mundane and boring. work on governance. politics is puckered just by its nature, democratic politics because one side to move. it's then the other side that by some nation, when was politics ever know populace? i'm going to take on this issue with you in the next question. good. yeah. can you

of the best my 1st good. but i think we just stuck in a bullying, mundane middle wouldn't be really has kind of flesh ideas and the thing that's a real problem. and i think actually that may be one of the reasons going back to what we discussed at the top of this session, white nation is policies, a start to integrate popularity because you know, they actually offering something different. now some aspects of what they offer, you know that and the immigration and stuff i plus they don't support that because on po i've been told isn't and that sort of thing. but the whole neighborhood and but you know, side, while he did that sort of bigler things, they'll thing, alternative ideas. and i think guys, you know, that is going to give you more appeal. now you mentioned a minute ago that uh, politics is popular was by definition i'm just following some, i agree with you and i think we can see that right now playing out in the u. k with the. so there's a lot of alpha says being pulled by the tories on the tactical aspects of voting and trying to get as many bo, uh, voters out to you,

the band boxes. and we saw the same thing. and during the previous selection campaign in the united states and with the democrats going out of that way. and you know, as trying to facilitate the procedure to the, to an extent when some concerns about the credibility you were raised above. you know, that's done everywhere. but after the ballad, bulk, so, so the polls close uh you need to get to down to work by that. that, that's what happens if you're have a good layer, because at the end of the day, politics is supposed to be about the delivery rather than the delivery of the resolve. so rather than the delivery of boats. so i, i wonder if, again, i guess i'm asking the same question in a different way, either an athlete or is from your side at least, who genuinely want to change things around, maybe in a controversial way, but to in january, want to bring change about not themselves into the office or that you know,

even political interest, but actually change something for the people. yeah, i mean, i don't see any kind of genuine fresh ideas coming from any, any physical body in this campaign. some areas of interest. i suppose that i'm giving of bodies more independence by the office about street responsibility and things of that that i see. male is what, what kind of tiny bug government did in 997 when it came to the bank of england independence, which is one of the best things actually that ever happened. then they'll have use of government meddling and they say so macro economic phase. but in terms of the big ticket issues, i didn't really see any sort of size would change. you know, the k is a country with massive debt law. she caused by caving the unprecedented simple and bloody tool need people j and k. but, but you know, we have to use that. we didn't have a, somebody to spend, even though actually it was spending another no, but a 5 cent of detail dependency. but nobody's even talk to you by that. there's no money to kind of come up with some fresh ideas and that would be like its idea of cutting public services, cutting civil servants, jobs,

making those are the dollars of that sort of thing. so. so we're kinda stuck. we've got no money. we've got, nobody lied is people just fed up with a choice, so we're gonna end up with a bullying label. prime minister said, but that doesn't biddies necessarily signify, will change. i said, proud. we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. the men come back to the ends of portsmouth and proud the foreman, british diplomatic and also roles and missed it in moscow. have bridges, diplomacy in russia fail. mr. proud to have been is very active watcher and

commentator of the conflict in ukraine. and we partially discussed already how it may be affected by various political developments in the west. but i want to ask this question specifically, do you think there will be any change uh, after the results of british or american elections are out there thing they'll be any change on the bus to the police selections, because i know the conservatives and the labor party seem to have exactly the same policy, which is a policy no to discuss the own games and those who spoke to the train. but the 2nd point is we didn't really have any power any way because new policies almost completely decided by the united states of america. and on that, i think actually any bizarre from the east presidential election that led to says, you know, trump examples of gaining power. you know, could substantiate a shift in pursuit where he's being quite open in saying that he would a stop. no, that's why they trump the thing. i mean, you know, whether he could do that as another method. but i think boy, he has that is a,

he would say to and this kind of non stop pollution of billions and billions were savvy, obviously no effect. and any kind of making you create more in desperate losing motels he losing more lies, you know, from this kind of turkey point as well. so they get there. that's what trump essentially kind of would like to do. so they would know that i imagine i would really but either way, but uh, but it may, i think that that will be the key change of what happens if trump comes to power as it goes, is bite and stays in device. and as i said earlier that i liked it seems to increase every day that you roll before the open award between the ukrainian or russian became inevitable. as soon as the biden became the 46 president of the united states, did you reach that conclusion based on uh, biden's own political world view, or perhaps the lack of their role. but let me get a bite and was a bit like a, you know, george w bush when it a sort of roadside legal invasion. or if we lock in, in 2003, there's

a real kind of sense of unfinished business, you know, put your delivery, but you know, back in 2003. and by and when he came to pass, for me is really old by this, this really deep seated reading. the them got positive being cheated. see a from the election rate 3, back in 2016 oil risk and have time maybe in your band. so if it is by the russian intelligence, as the goal is kind of things that they were complaining about. so the thing that they much kind of, uh, brought into his world view when he came to power. you know, he, bull by kid in the whole to the between 8 and so it takes a is so booms and it'd be blood. i had been in the wilderness under that of the drum, and it's just a complete but 10 to the can of a whole piece. us policy that had been placing business and stuff, the ukraine quite so said everything that he did and did you know when he came to power? i said, well, you know, i've gone finished business do with the washer. i don't like sort of teaching. there's a laugh all what's happening. ukraine will be an old spike and we'll go back to square one. and that's what we on today. no final thoughts. i'm sure your have

caught some glimpses of the years presidential debate. what impression did it make on you? it was the hillside, i mean, for any old man. right. i mean, my dad's old he's, he's actually old. and by and he's really sad. see, you know, that, that happen happen. but i see that, you know, the question for me is that it has, nobody noticed this before, you know, but he's actually an old man and he's the oldest going to us present getting into getting into the election campaign. he clearly can't cope anymore. he doesn't have the mental 5 faculties to do is in that way much david costing to the device. so they get and he live. he looked like somebody who was just too old for the job. and i see the other big question is, well, if he's lock that now, what would you be like in 4 years time? if he is still present that he's not going to be any benefit then he is now arguably he's going to be with me. i think cash eat as much of the data got potty, try to kind of covered over this and say well he just had a bad day. we will head but have bad days. you know, i have bad days too, but uh,

but i think actually it would be a mistake for him to continue. you know, we all have bad days and uh, you know, i think your reference to your dad and, you know, and i see that you may have felt for biden describing this whole situation. besides, you know, it's understandable on the human level. but i sometimes wonder if there it is being explored and because he's not some old ankle, you know that, that you have to sympathize with. he is actually, you know, running for the very powerful office you know, office as requires a lot of responsibilities. a lot of judgements and apart from it being an elder and in our case of elders abuse, i mean it's pretty clear that the man is suffering when he stands on that on that stage. i wonder if from 7, this is the right emotions here because of the out of the day. it's not only that, you know, he's being exploited and manipulative. but this whole idea of empathy. why should

we emphasize with anyone who is running for that kind of office? this person needs to be sharp. she needs to be, you know, fully conscious of both sides of the responsibilities and the risks associated with it. why is empathy at all relevant here? well, we'll, we'll humans, i'll be but i mean my, my main concern actually is a, you know, that the, his policy is he came as being a complete failure in not just a new crane and they'll see bus it. but in israel garza, you know, the relationship with china is getting any back to north korea units as a name, a phone policy challenge with things that go best under, under dave, by miller dancing you, bells and name and he finds you, that's just my personal opinions that so as somebody who thinks about the phone policy on a day to day basis, i think he's been a disaster for the week. but the us, the thing that's just accelerate to this kind of discussion, this global discussion about, you know, multi part of the world and how that sort of all the new and sort of staples. so they're looking that the page itself is, is, uh, i mean, as, as of

a hard hearted kind of list, look at the debates that, that will act. and if he carries on that makes it more likely he's going to lose nothing on that basis. you know, maybe he should continue a bit longer, but i mean, you know, i certainly hope is a change of us policy. i mean, i'm not saying i'm in favor of trump, but uh, you know, i certainly had good to biden's not going to be re elected. now, speaking about the essential debate, i guess it was a sort of predictable, but i think still shocking. be this your absence of any substantial policy discussion because i think it was all about i'm the best and your the worst from both speakers. and none of them really bothers with providing, you know, detailed analysis of what they're going to do or what was wrong with the, the opponents policies. now, i guess it's sort of what the americans have a, the wrong to expect. that's what the about the british public is the level of

a debate on par with their expectations of an educated choice. i think can you tell you if, if we had um, you know, a leader of a political party is they basically suffering from the size of the dimensions and then actually the transfer me, i'm not sure it's early at all. i haven't read whatever, whatever savings of metals i'm. it just might automatically exp but, but it may, i think the physical system in the u. k. would that she kind of moved that person out and by agent they can of the it says that they can have a tie and that she still have a rest and the end of the, the end of the day. so, but i mean, i do, i mean, across the great think good as you see probably quality debates, you know, policy in the u. k. either because, you know, the 2 mainstream parties a safe place close together. well, they really all the badges, kind of small things on the disability happens because they don't have any money to spend just anything radically new. nobody can spend a lot more money. that'd be also to save a lot of money. so they kind of stuck in this kind of middle ground and kind of

ongoing eventually, as i said earlier, of what it all comes down to is actually people start up with a conceptual positive beginning of too low. and it doesn't matter of kids does bookcase um with bullying. he's probably gonna do it anyway. well, uh, i think being stuck in the middle ground is not that bad. i mean, at the end of the day, ordinary people are always there and you do something with the little resources and lots of challenges that you face on a daily basis. and i don't see why the life of full edition should be any different . but i mean, that would be, that would be true if you would also have, you know, debate about some misadventures, adult, you know, if we, if we weren't doing that, i would agree with the 100 percent. but of course and beyond that. so basically as, let's say, speaking with the british politics, it's true that the last few prime ministers and that you care. i mean they, they all have different appearances, but the policy is, they pursued or rather they failed to pursue, were uh, pretty much the same. and yeah, the british politics maybe and just by parents of it makes an impression of being

a more open or perhaps more representative of a wider political choice. you have a number of bodies in the running. what are the chances of long done if not dis, investing itself from the this western very uniform flow into, towards the disaster. but then the police trying to, in or steer they both in a way that would maximize its profits or perhaps minimize the disadvantages for itself. that would be um, easier if we had more in place in the world, we have now mail ability to stay. anything is being diminished significant. the last thing about the even staring b, it'd be bouncing the world, steering the events within your own country. i mean, diverting a little bit of that attention, rhetorical attention towards, you know, domestic issues that will make you stronger domestically and perhaps produce more revenues as well. yeah, no, exactly. i mean, but i,

the companies that she's starting to look stronger now. i see what often happens when a government comes to name is a new coverage. inheritance inherits it's at the time when the economy is just starting to improve and get so that the benefit from the economic good. so i mean, that focus on so that's not a great disney pulled well in the new child sled and gradually use of inc. cable in the wind. how to, you know, by this into a better shape than it was. but they're still massive challenges we face and you know, let's say, i don't know if the dates you know how well they going to do. i wouldn't buy for conceptual labor anyway, but so, but let's say snell uh, as a russian, i'm clearly biased and it will weld towards the western politicians. but if we look at the reactions to the debate, as well as to the general discourse and the west, coming from the global south, it's pretty clear that people around the world find this style and the substance of politics quite debates. i wonder what influence do you think it may have on the, you know, international relations more generally?

what i think, you know, what's happening. so even in the break sleeping is very, very important because on like the g 7, which is just an exclusive club, by the end you talk to kind of the most wealthy countries in that kind of west and the us dominated group and bricks is trying to kind of bore, not just discussing to include all the old countries in the, in the developing world and the thing that so really interesting area right now in terms of actually making sure that so people mask a yeah. less than america. you know parts of asia, a more involved in these kind of big discussions by go. i mean that's all you as well, don't worry about discussion. so i think the focus is primarily on practical uh, working projects. something that yeah, and they don't deliver rather than being something. abbotsford, of course it is. uh, but the point is they involved in that why and they have, have a say the know can kept as these kind of small, exclusive clubs in a lot of the do. so nothing that simple and movement as you know, uh, united people's thoughts going to wait and selves of the belief that we have it in

the us. we trust them. we don't need to worry about anything else. and i think, you know, that's, that's a will set me break. so they get is they must one to walk, said when it's going to 2 decades. well, even if they wanted to trust in the united states, i'm in the have spend, if they are to do that, i mean, one of those things always do a little. i'm just saying that, you know, well, and then at the end of the day, i mean, it's uh, sort of the exact river itself, uh, the american soul spyware. i mean, even if you one that'd be associated with it with the west, it's, you know, your own self preservation instinct doesn't let you do that very easily. anyway. it's a proud, it's been great talking to you as always. thank you very much for that. thank you, it's on a lovely to see you again and thank you for watching focus here again on the wells of part the, [000:00:00;00]

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