at the the hello and welcome to cross mike bullhorn sign. peter lavelle. here we discussed some real news giving peace a chance. and ukraine white us taking this position in rage, members of the european union, also the u. k. labor party studying victory at the polls, or maybe it wasn't so stunning to discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, he is a pod cast where the guy go, which means on youtube and locals. and in mirror attached we have martin j. hughes

and award winning journalist and commentator. i gentlemen cross that girls and the fact that means you can jump any time you want and i would appreciate it. okay, let's kick this off with george in budapest. i'm the unspeakable apparently was done last week that you're over on the prime minister of your of hungry, went and made a visit to co uh, gave his thoughts on what's going on and you crave what law you claim with the. i don't know the interim or x or whatever the title mr. zalinski has now. and then he went and visited moscow and that the european union are many voices almost identical, voices short circuited. you're not supposed to do that. you will have no right to do that. well, you're hungry is the president of the rotating presidency. but from what i can tell you or but i went there as the prime minister of hungry and weighed in. and did he in a big way, george, your thoughts on the whole fiasco

a lease from the western perspective. what do you think you're actually on the right feet that it is quite extraordinary that we were living in this time when an aspiration for peace. and this has been the consistent, stable of or bonds from the beginning from february 2022, which is this is a whole lot that makes no sense and it needs to be brought to a land as swiftly as possible. so this tend to them to act maybe as a mediator, maybe to facilitate some kinds of negotiation, some sort of a piece compress the this should arouse futile rate. that's the basically this rate . i mean, it's all just simply saying, well, it easily, you know, this, but with the time isn't quite right, but whatever it will be just in range then them the so much. so that's from the german foreign minister on the you know, bad luck was scheduled to visit hungry on monday as her visits has been cancelled hungry. a said we don't want to hit the middle,

no major loss. so maybe like a, we don't want to listen to a harangue from you because she made clear that she was going to be rate hunger is leave those. and, and so now where we're coming in next week to this, a big need, those 70 parents, the birthday party. and what's going to be said there is me, are the usual belligerent. so you have to stick with ukraine. have to do more for your brain. ukraine will be a member of nato, the same claptrap, but it's got the nato and the well nowhere but that, that is the program. so in any event, somebody who does that, you're trying to do something, they favor that. there's a lot of that's just do everything that we've been doing before because it's been so successful. yeah, well i mean more than in the counter veiling trends that are going on here. we have this ridiculous bar city in switzerland, the ukraine peace conference, or whatever it was called a complete it's the go. we then we have other,

but i'm going at the very least the talk to both leaders. i mean there's, there's a channel of communication. even if that is up for into and george is absolutely right. you know, with the upcoming nato concept 75th birthday and even things that are 75 years old, usually retire by then, but not nato now, joe biden. and they're going to tell you know, ukraine and can join the alliance. so i mean one person, one adult in the rooms stood up and said, how do we make sense of bliss and how can we move forward? that gets them in a lot of trouble. martin, how do we make sense of it? um through dialogue and that's the very thing the e u claims that it likes to support the inquiries too and very much encourages on the one condition that the dialogue is framed within the same narrative as its own ideas. my deal is, you know, olden is broken ranks. i mean, normally 6 months, presidencies in brussels, you know, they are on to promote exercise really. i mean,

the country that has the presidency says with main meetings, whether is finance or this agricultural, whenever they administer to ship to. and they usually take advantage of that 6 month period to do some horse trading to sign a spotlight on some of the draw dropped directions which are being amended, which should be amended to an gina, to the needs and requirements. nothing like this. is there a home before or been has really broken or rang, sees from the rule book um you know, of the window and now is behaving really like a leader of a silver and country and put in his own country 1st. and to take this initiative, which he said is just told general is i think that no other country is in this position. you know, i'm probably the only one there. the youngest in the country can do this. but to take the initiative to try and at least at least get a ceasefire, agreed and then see if we can move from the seas for to tools. you know that it should be in colorado, just a sensible thing to do. but them, nobody in the,

in the war machines, you know, the corrupt western lee as long as this. and um, i have a feeling that he's going to take advantage of the 6 month presidency and do this on a weekly basis. i have a feeling he's gonna really hijacked the entire you at least machine and for his own purposes. and we'll see where that goes. i mean, the night so birthday party, what do we want to cool? it is already looking like a fiasco. yeah. because we have question marks, eva with a button is going to make it to um, to the it, to his own presidency. and now we've got a new labor government in the u. k which, which is or the hopping on about not respecting the previous agreement of 2.5 percent g d, p for defense spending. that's going to be a real fly. and the only meant for, for nato lead is, what are they going to celebrate? so, you know, you know, but charge, i mean, again i, i, it's very few places. so this is one place that we talked about. peace, how do we get to piece that that, that discourse is non existent. ok. and, and,

and again, we had a president vladimir putin. he presented a starting point for negotiations. it wasn't the end point is we can start from business position, we don't go, we need to go through all the points right now. well, i, i'm just completely bewildered why nato slash edu slash by the administration and say, okay, we, well, we'll pony up. this is where we want to start going. okay. they won't even do that . they just go back to this r k, a 10 point plan that apparently is zalinski is i'm sure it was written in, in london or washington. um, uh, you know, this is this, this defying any kind of attempt to resolve this. i mean, and we're all through that with through the elections we had with the, in the, within the european union, we just see or talk of mobilization, more economy. these are all craven choices. the hey, yeah, absolutely right. the, the, because the position of the you and they to the united states,

there is an absolute as well. and i mean the position is, uh, richard onto the pre 1991 boards. but how are they going to achieve this? i mean, that means it will forever, i mean either it is just a total forever in echo on the tool through a macro and all those of, and the germans on the british with him to that is of conscription and, and so sending more and more weapon rate the ukraine a little as you're planning to for this for the next decade or so. and it's quite remarkable how when it comes to this, really, when you guys are with a cecelia, will know they will talk about c spy. what when you get this is where we have to obviously inspire. we have a slightly over a few minutes here and reasons that haven't achieved that. and you can go to the move on to whether they've been this sincere about it. but at least they say we need, we need to cease fire, we need some, you know, a negotiate that outcome to save the solution, whatever. here it's just an absolute display, which is regular. we need,

you need to keep this war going, no matter how destructive is businesses. and so, you know, it's just some vague and you know, aspiration that the stolen book declared has a news conferences just to show well made. there was a p 0. well, the more we weapons we sent to your grand in the fall, so we get to the piece of storks if you don't, totally, you know, empirical bases whatsoever. and then once you're safe or bottom is also up with an op ed in news. we in which he has said may though he is a rule machine though, is it? well we joined it because we thought it was a piece of drug defense and so on. so, but it is now a goal making machine. we get them, we have, we have the numbers, other will making machine and that, and that is exactly of the night when and at this birthday party. that's what the major is going to be celebrating. that's, you know, we're, we're going to keep us will going in the, to a day. the respect of us that you need to be don't, you're right, judge. you made

a, you know, with the latest reason why you quit and won't be given. membership is, it's, the country is to corrupt as if they suddenly realize that, okay, i mean, way, before all of this the, the, the levels of corruption were legendary as the buying family. they know a lot about that. okay. so, but, you know, it's the martin, this is like a birthday party celebrating somebody, an intensive care. okay. and there's no lifting that her glasses, you know, you know, we don't want the patient to die, but we're not going to do it. we're not going to do any kind of intervention to save it. it's really quite pathetic. and again, why the training and leadership goes along with this. the only reason i can explain is that they're lining their pockets. and i'm too cynical martin, as to think you're right, you're going to be right. that's the only logical reason, you know, in the last week, missing reports. now those incidents whose wives spending, what was it $5000000.00 and they've got to, you know, i mean, these kind of reports that come through, just keep on

a firm and unassuming level as money and all this equipment is going missing. and honestly, what's the latest now or even denying this anymore? you know, i think they've basically, except to this is, this is bulk of the course. you know, you have to accept the good part of this, this, this, this bounty is gonna end up in the pockets of, of the, of the cabal of, of us let's these people on himself. so i think, uh, you know, in that respect, nothing changes but, you know, the idea is ukraine company, a girl into that drawings and membership of late. so, because is to corrupt is it reminds you of that scene in casablanca, you know, where the police chief is closing down the hotel. and as, as always, chaos is going on behind him. you know, he says to rick is disgraceful. you know, temperament going home. you know, and then somebody comes up to him and gives him a lot of cash is bone, you know, and it sits on the same saying, isn't it, you know, you're, you're to corrupt drawing nights. so by the way, here's another $100000000000.00 to carry on. you know, it is a lot of confused mixed messages. and really, as i said earlier to you a few,

a couple of months ago, you know, when we talked about the nature, but they brought to, you know, a lot of a lot of be asked. and let us take notice now is going to be presented to in trout, this entire subject. but you know, where do we go? where does this will this leading a logic i'm? i'm george, i'm looking forward to biden's. um, um, um speech at the, at the account. uh. com. fab go ahead. george spent 40 seconds to probably go to the right. well, yes. done. but interesting the, the, there's this issue that, well, we can't um, bring the ukraine in. uh denise at this moment because then he raises an expression . well, when he few cones, then why don't you just bring this war to an end? i mean, if you call and if you ask, what is it saying that you call and realize your condition? who will talk about, you know, the road too late, the membership is oakland, then bring it to an end. what is the point of continuing along with it? well i, i just showed out, well, what we part of ukraine will eventually get into that a to, because of it's just,

it's dissolving in front of our eyes and they're watching it. and obviously the boss of, of, of soldiers is the risk. gentleman, i'm going to jump in and here in a way to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion of some real new stay with our to the

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did very well. but i did the scratch just a little bit into the numbers here. it's not the kind of big tree, but um, obviously labor is claiming, and of course, the other center of a sudden you're of and the united sega, this is the way it's gotta be done, okay. but if you go to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th layers of the numbers, it's not their victory, but it appears to be argued as snow. and it is because we have this outdated decode in. and frankly, a weird voting system in the u. k which we cool for us post opposed and this particular system allowed labor to win by quite a huge majority, but actually only took 34 percent of the entire loads. so um, you know, it, it, it's, it's outdated, it hasn't worked for a long time, but it creates these cooks. so in this particular time, i come and get a kiss, thomas, sorry, got to actually less loose. and jeremy cool button in 2017, which is good,

quite remarkable. and we will hoping that it would open the floodgates for number of smaller policies. um, i think the live dentist did incredibly well. but in terms of french parties, you know, fairly well. he's got 5 a seats. this is very, very low number of seats, but it's a critical amount of votes, a shed, some light, 14 percent, which the new kinds of government is basically forced to work with him now. so, you know, the timeline now really is to look 5 years ahead, unexpected coalition between so i'll just bucks in the conservative a new conservative policy. in the meantime. really, we can't really expect so much change you've, you know, you've got that. the policies between these 2 policies were really not that def. and when we looked at a bigger scale, international stories, you know, the foreign policy, in many ways, the cigarette paper between the 2 of them, you know, perhaps some, i might be forced into reducing defense spending. i'm putting back on ukraine simply because it's going to over spend on just about everything else,

means what labor comes do they get into power in the 1st 100 days? they just spend and spend to spend them, you know, like lunatics without and yeah, but i mean, one of the things i mean from a far here george to mean what is so conservative about the tories these days and what it is. so i'm left about labor in the u. k. i mean it's, i don't see the ideological okay. you can have, you know, um, um, the woke element and, and all of that with, with labor and all of that. but they, me, but even then we have the tories, you, we have, you know, boy scouts and kind of channeling his inner femininity. i don't remember the exact phrase, but i mean, something like that. and the unified completely on foreign policy. what is the difference? i mean, this is what i think voters are very i discuss it with because they got discuss it with the personalities of the, of the, of the conservative party. and they were, they were, you know, mean was almost like a, you know, high school cafeteria and, and i don't, you know, when the, when labor's coming in, you know,

with their agenda and all that, i don't see it a whole lot of different. no. is there a way there really isn't any really extended difference? there isn't any difference and, and that's why i think labor is going to run into a lot of trouble very quickly. because as monday and pointed out, the numbers suggest that there was no in susie as i'm whatsoever for labor. i mean it cuz it's not just the labor one few of votes, then they want me to 2019 that that 2019 election would lead to the of the else the of um, jeremy pool then um and um and then so this book is because this lack of popularity and if you have any loan keeps phone was own constituency. 2019 and you have the majority of 28000. that's gone down to 7000 subjects. 128. that's what the 7000 majority is. imagine a triumphant lead to marching his troops into uh, 10000 states, and he gets this massive

a vote against them. he and his own constituents, it. and so what's really happened is that, that the end of the sofa, right? and, well, the bar is johnson putting on this fake populace conservatism and $29.00 c. and he broke through you know, more or less of a traditional lady. but areas of these are all, this is a new kind of populace conservatism in terms of because boston and all the way, but in those constituencies, reform is now the same to late but. and so that's something where, you know it for ours is clever and skillful. that's where he showed the focus of the is that looking to be very important here because the vote and most of the voters who voted for breakfast, i'm not going to be happy with leave was blind to cozy up and make nice with the bab of and we're gonna push all the, the agenda, ned 0 basically getting, you know, thinking of a liberal stance on, on the immigration,

then i'm going to go for the negative turn. and that's what reform chip, man. so that's what, that's what a $105.00 constituents is. that's a, that's a 105 that the reform should win. and so next time around this one would be a very significant up. that's the most important number to add of the entire election is the number of times the reform party came in 2nd. martin, who is the new prime minister of the u. k. um so what, when i hear his name, i think of how he was part of the disgraceful campaign against julian. a sorry um and and how he had stabbed the jeremy carmen in the back. and now he's just a deep stave. operative okay, do you? oh, and he's like human, right? so what the advocate, you know, really, really what are actually actually he's the, he's the left is the center less new version of course, johnson, and he is a prolific lyle. he actually goes back on almost everything to be says just as well

as johnson does, did. so i think we're going to have to get used to that. but the 1st on today's office and he was gonna be a massive anticlimax. and the inverts and you said who is, who is this guy? you know, he's many things so many people, but what worries me is his proximity. it's always, well, you know, he's really a puppet of design, is regime. and we're gonna see a lot of people proceed on this route. we're gonna need, they've already wheeled out to david, allow me possibly the most stupid man in british politics for a long time, who is in the se and stuff. and that's said somebody who is prep us done. i'm why is it been wheeled out? because i think that's going to be a must have a delusion solution here, we're going to pretend to be gunning for a series for an, an, a 2 state solution. but in reality we're going to be doing just as bind did, is supporting design is even more to carry on with the to, to work in the, in the genocide. so it's going to be a false. it's going to be a lot of fake news and people are going to be, i'm a good wing to the believing that this is new. tell me which cares about. the other

thing is when it doesn't a tool, but i think the economy is not going to be boosted simply by a goodwill fact. you know, a good, a good feeling and button that we've got to change coming into people in person won't change, but they didn't really know what kind of change they wanted. and so you had a protest vote. a big purchase vote was people not voting. a whole lot of people stayed at home, another protest, but it was the low tories to vote labor just to send a message to the right party that you've got 5 years to shape up, you know? but i mean, how long can stomach and keep the shine on this, you know, i imagine not much longer than the 1st year in office when the policies start failing and labor results to it's tried and tested method in short term stay in office politics, which is the high taxes, and that's what we're going to see in the okay. you know, we're gonna, we're going to be overtime. so going to be like an e u members stay like from so just a regular taxes. and this will put more pressure for change to come about. it won't bring in basically raising taxes that just destroys business. you know,

if people have got less money to spend an ice read that to, to, to us, for an investors. you know, basically we, our economy is, is heading towards the best george, i mean, again we, the, we don't really, 6 is the policy alternatives are getting more and more narrow, even tory governments play or, you know, what, there's breaks it, you know, that ways bell basically because of the mostly because of immigration, but since breaks immigration has just been increased. i mean, i mean, you know, it doesn't matter who you're getting caught in power. you get the same government as you do. and that's why the tories were rejected. so resoundingly, and, and of course, believe it has no plan for immigration. i mean to me, to, it shows us what was the biggest issue in the u. k. off or obviously the economy and we've done. it's just terrible because you know, the conditions are really, you know, uh, prices of groceries and everything else. but this is

a huge issue and then leave. it has absolutely no idea what, what they're going to do about it. and so that's where they're going to run into the, you know, most problems immediately and then money comes to your credit. let me look at how many times, just in the 1st 24 hours of the victory of style. and then they allow me to bring up ukraine. why, why they took my degree and it's just been a general election year. you were saying, you know, you want to be the spelling of what are the top 5 things we're going to be doing for the critics, people. and it said that talking about the rent i agree with with my husband david, allow me is a very, very stupid man. and he is going to be the trunk man. i mean that's, that's, that's what i think a james cleverly because his breed assess osbourne. secretary, like you basically put them forward, they don't, they don't people have any power that they ever sent you to show. well, we're really committed, you know, to diversity. you know, we, we want to as much of a wide range of people and just to show her wonderful british life is and anybody

can make it to the top. but basically, the style now, given his wife, given is a zone background is going to be a very, very pro zion is uh, the prime minister and, and they go to pursue this. you create a policy which is very, i'm kind of taylor and it is going to be immediate. i'm going to be the 1st by election. it under this kind of government is going to be a huge rejection of style. and so he really doesn't have any real agenda. i mean, you can't even give us a lot of nothing like tony blair and 197 or anything like that. there's no mandate here. and so it's just a rejection. and of the tories? well, i mean, come on, and one of the, one of the thing, good things that came out of the electra, the entire, almost the entire front bench of the tories are gone up. the young people i've known for years. you know, um i don't know how to contact them and say, sorry, you know, that just sitting in front of the tv's now watching um,

dates on television, what do they want to do with their lives but powerful big people? people who really to make decisions and, and what game changes you know, they, it's, but i think the public enough to reinvent. so i think, but i think i think to pick up george's point about reform reform is certainly a punches a could grow very quickly in the next 5 years and could be something huge and, and in the next, in the next election. and the, it's inevitable when these policies start to fail and say a lot of foster pace, that for right votes increased dramatically. and uh, as george says, this installments got no policy, a tool for integration. thousands of people of crossing the channel from, from seeing these boats. well, i mean, george from the martin from the outside looking in. the only thing i keep hearing about is ukraine. that's. that's it. well, i think i've jumped on the, the media. so trick of you know, deflecting john was away from the game. it may be because they're impacting their bags to go to the nato summit. okay, gentleman, that's all the time. we have one,

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