[000:00:00;00] the, with the end of world war one, the move in for an indian independence from the british empire flared up with renewed vigor. the british responded to the growth of the national liberation movement with arrest and brutal violence. repression cause active resistance. in march 1919 at the call of mahatma gandhi, a peaceful strike began in the country. but the british responded with a new round of violence and far bade the indians to gather more than 4 people. on the day of the sea bass at t festivals. a huge crowd of civilians gathered in the center of the city of i'm

the star in northern india. seeing these as outright defiance. general reginald dyer gave the order to open fire on the on arms the both. the barbaric execution claimed the lives of at least 379 indians, including 40 children, the youngest of who was 6 weeks old. the indian national congress considered the official figures to be underestimated and announced the death of more than $1000.00 civilians. the well known greatest newspaper, the morning post called dyer, the man who saved india, gave him a sword and 26000 pounds sterling as a token of gratitude for the massacre. the amorous dar massacre wind down in history as one of the most brutal crimes of the british invaders and only escalated the affair. struggle of the indians for liberation from the colonial yoke.

the, the, the, the hello and welcome to cross topic were all things are considered. i'm theater, lavelle, the north atlantic treaty organization is celebrating its 75th anniversary in washington. this week, for many in the west, nato is deemed to be the most successful military alliance in history. for others, beyond the west, nato is the most serious security threat to humanity. today, the cross talking nato, i'm joined by my guess. erin, good in philadelphia. he is a political scientist historian, as well as author of american exception empire in the deep states in san francisco

. we have k, j. know he is a political analyst and journalist and in lisbon we cross alexander guerrero. he is an international legal analyst. i. gentleman cross talk roles in effect, that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, aaron, let me go to you. first thing in philadelphia. um, um we have, we here over and over again. nato is the most successful visit to henry alliance in history is almost like getting f one on your computer. but you know, it is that are celebrating their uh 75th anniversary in washington. what achievements have, do they have under their belt, other than surviving as an alliance? that's the only quote unquote achievement. i can think of go ahead or as well they tow served to keep alive western imperialism and to re brand it as a either under consolidated under the us band or as really of all of the colonial powers of the world. the united uh,

basically the core of capitalism and imperialism for the proceeding surgeries. and they were able to re brand it as a defense of freedom. this very powerful force or a that had a lot of invest in capital all around the world. the us police that and nato was the tip of the spear. they're in a sense, especially as it began to expand into these quote unquote peacekeeping missions and so on in the wake of the cold war of the aftermath of the cold war. and this led to it becoming something that kind of different sort of a in force or for the, the, or global capitalism for the us, us empire, west and imperialism. and, but going back to the cold war, i mean, if it's a successful lot regime in that it's did stay in power for so long. but it's also existed as a kind of dictatorship of europe in certain ways. i mean, the glad he is, the gladto networks were called nato secret armies by some people. and they were there as

a kind of dictatorship in the wings for any western european leader that got out of line that they could stage falsified terror attacks. so it, it put the lie to democracy because you can't really have a democracy when the state maintains a secret veto over the very lives of your heads of state. and can also engage in acts of pulse black terrorism to move the population politically wherever they want them. so this is really a dark floors in global politics that i don't think will be fully recognized by large parts of the public until the after max is the so many things of that we see in the last few decades, especially the us empire, is such a denial of at what is at the top of it, at the corner of it that i don't think we can deal with it until that power is, is decisively defeated. and perhaps when nato is dissolved, we'll start talking about the, well, you know, yeah, okay. it's really interesting with a visa, ve, the ukraine complex nato has been able to devour as it were,

the european union. i mean, it's, you know, you, the, the, it's nato, the dictates the security ideas of, of the entire union, the independence of states do not. so that is another on, not in nato is about it. one of the interesting things, as they always talk about themselves as a defense of alliance, i'm calling this program offensive alliance. i wonder would people ins in serbia think about the term defense of alliance or libya and the failed mission in you in afghanistan. i mean, and also what they're doing and ukraine, i mean, they continue to say that they're not a party to the conflict with lisa, which is just laughable. go ahead. k j. yes, i've been, it's been the murderous on of us imperialism. and it's, as you said earlier, it's great, his success has been, it's branding, or it's miscommunication of what it's really doing. it's not defensive. it's never for a defensive war in it's lifetime claims to be

a collection of democracies. but no, it's never been democratic from the beginning. it was a lied with special states like portugal delete. it was integral in ensuring the success of fascism around europe. and it even had to lose one time, chief of stock. idols posting, go. he went from the chief of the nazi military command to the chief of the nato military for not. and did you look for quotes to uphold human rights and rule of law, but actually destroyed human rights? it destroys human lives. it destroys a quote. and i think the way that the countries around around the world had largely seen through it did see what it is resting on us imperialism bein sports. uh, the, the goons of us templates, well, it's alexander, you know, they, they call themselves the defense of alliance. but if you look at the security architecture of europe,

nato is an instrument in which europe and security is decided on, not only without russia but against russia, and that's why we have the situation we have in ukraine. go ahead and listen right here. we have a zane here in europe where we say the best defense is get that. and basically this is the, the, the, the, the topic that inspires into the model that police nato on east actions, swords and other countries. we must not forget that married. so it was created in late 19 for special needs and set goals and to block the communities as well as the last so, so good union over your so the start to, to have any direction to find russia. what today's russia, after the whole, are of the full of the early all things have changed your drastically because they have and crumbling back down a president that was all in favor of the west of useless. but suddenly,

when the russians decided to have their own identities to make their own way by themselves, then again, russia rise as being understood here in the west as being anatomy. and as long as we have this kind of understanding to look at russia as anatomy and not as an hour, we will keep only speeding social the rest. the serial in the ras intervention is like actually that's everything that marks. and that's the main brand of natal all over the world. so what we have knowing your brain, this is not a surprise if we take a look above how the united states worked so hard along with you with the union to solve a democratically elected president. and to try to influence the political situation in your brain and what we are seeing now underneath those lives. this is understood as being a challenge on the life of their we, we as need to,

or we is where we have to defeat the independence. russia as well as multiple or is this you saw things understood and mean? yeah, this is how they to his work is by spreading more and more luckily pick news, but also to share and to provide a lot of weaponry to you brain because the dream is not to save. your brain is not to have an independent to bring their goal. their main goal is only to target the russian and of the russia. israel also can china, the 2 major power into world war independently, towards independently from west and east. well, you know, area and wait, wait, we heard from lloyd us of the secretary of defense early on in this conflict or this part of the come what they should say because it started in 2014 not in 2022. is that the goal was to we can rush it and of course not only to, we can rush it, but to break it up we have there are officials in the european union now that say that openly go ahead aaron. right? that's clearly what the whole mind onto was about. and it's more and more obvious

that this is the case. and it's the it, the whole episode highlights the real crisis at the top of the us regime. because it should have been easy to game out that the you that the, that the ukrainians, we're not gonna be able to defeat russia. that russia view this as a extremely important existential even battle for themselves. and that they would, they would not be able to defeat them or defeat russia and ukraine without provoking a response that could likely lead to go to nuclear war. then russia has been very methodical about treating the ukrainian military. that is essentially a nato military, a week after week after week. and when you, we were talking before about how you people predicted that this conflict put it in pretty quickly and it absolutely should have ended very quickly. that was about to end in april. right. so that's why it's negotiations, and it's

a truism and international relations and political science that you can't achieve anything at the negotiating table that you cannot achieve on the battlefield. but this wasn't really true for ukraine. ukraine could actually walk away with a much better deal that they never could achieve on the battlefield as we are seeing now. and was always obvious. and the, the war itself had the effect of imposing upon russia. the imperative that they had to engage in import substitute industrialization because of all the sanctions and everything else. but the us actually in the west, the liberal west of the early cold war, used to actually advocate this for countries that had balance of payments pro, problems and so on. as a way to shore up their economic systems. and this is how the us became and i cannot power was through import substitute industrialization, texting tariffs and taxing and parts and building infrastructure. that was how the us became and with power. that's all right. so we basically forced pressure to do

things that were very beneficial for russia economically and industrially. and we hastened the end of the dollar regime. and we have wasted a massive amounts of money, some of which went to actually buy weapons and probably pay soldiers. but a lot of it was just embezzled by ukrainians. who are there taking all of this money and just sacrificing their own countrymen for this doomed effort. that is really only made russia considerably stronger us and nato a weaker and destroyed ukraine. yeah, i mean k of the, the, the whole effort to turn the, the, the, the rubel into rubble is actually boomerang very, very strongly against the west. i mean, if you, if you're not a lift you live in russian, you don't follow the news. you wouldn't even though the country is sanctioned. go ahead take a real quick before we go to the break. absolutely, and most countries have not gone along with those sanctions. it's the vast majority of countries, except for the e. u and some western european vassals,

those the only countries that have gone along with these unilateral legal sanctions, most of the world has voted with their feet. and they said, we are not with the united states. we have not with nature. and so very clearly, as you point talked in russia, you know, the sanctions on felt rushes. economy is doing fine. it's like it's doing much more . well, i mean, i'll surprise a lot of viewers. i like the sanctions. i think like them or get away from the toxic a financial system of the west because it doesn't have a future gentleman. i have to jump in here. we're going to go to wish a short break. and after that break, we'll continue our discussion on nato state with our to the think it will have chevy and it shows the position unix begonia fit the willingness . the couple are you pretty sure what are your new adults?

but then you would just give them a one shot, the beloved spelling, so got you for me just so that way you know, we have them step this just a little bit slow. so i know control is the name on the console. phone is a visual of moving in, but i do have to make sure that people come down. yeah, i'm literally so associated with as much. it's gonna get to play the show you a different level may assist you more. um, when you do it, i'm good for insurance and which the technology you can throwing up at the let's just sponsor, excuse me, just go out. i don't know if it was a go or either of course, to just go in and put in the see a good thing is done with this. i think 0 on this was was self employed. so sort of all the, the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter real about your mind. you were discussing nato.

the alton roy started out this program by asking air and what the achieve, what nato was achieved on at 75th birthday here. but i, i found, you know, broken promises to be honest with you. and let's go through 4 of them real quick, one right after another. not one is in east talking about german unification. ok. they lied about that ukrainian neutrality. they lied about that indivisibility of security. they lied about that. and the whole men's process, they've proven to move themselves to be deceitful, liars, so i don't know what they're celebrating. but i think the, the, the dishonesty and duplicity of this alliance has to be highlighted. that's why i'm making this program. alexander a. yes,

basically they're celebrating all those countries that they help to fuel and rest. they also helps to these member in that think about you was live, you're probably on their neighbors perspective. this is a reason to celebrate a specially for the president to present the secretary general. do not the nations who back them was primary sort of portugal and she supported fully. the ration in yugoslavia now sees the building and to try to call for, for be in, in, in your brain. but basically what your brain has been given guys, what nato has been giving us all over this time. was only the new fairly speak agenda. only then will solution that they want to gather more and more countries on the under the perspective of a boarding seer, rather than that, they will give any kind of depressing perspective. for example, you bring, they have the expectations to join nato. so wish we all know it's highly unlikely.

it will never happen, never bought. i bought the st possible. but this, technically, it's highly unlikely, but i believe that they keep would keep pressure on the secretary general maple do aesthetic step down at the same time. i believe that this is no queasiness. there. literally this we took the blue we far above these events on the be the building here. yeah. the way it was discussed in the bates all over weston, me force the media. yep. and how this could be used in order to just define more and more weaponry. support from day to to you break. we never heard. we have never heard until now. and not only nato officials, but also beginning of reasons. speaking about peace about choose, never have about that. we only hear the say kind of model which is destroying and defeats the russian. we have to think rush it, read douglas, what did they fix?

they will produce all you bring and i have to west. what do you guys have to bring? will we have in the next 22 years? will there even be you bring? what is this the project alternate to is this is like saying, well, you know, alexander, i don't think the nato under the leadership of the united states gives a hoot about what happens to ukraine personally. okay. i mean, i suppose of the zalinski regime as illegitimate as it is right now. they will always strive for nato membership as long as they get paid. okay, i don't know. do these people send their kids to the front? i tend to doubt it. you know, aaron, there's a, i mentioned my, my 3rd broken promise lie here. and i don't want to sound really nerdy, but you know, the indivisibility of security. this was what made your opinion security work. you can not enhance your security at the expense of another country. everybody agreed to that. everybody, if it was called the helsinki process. okay. and now they tow as,

as if that doesn't exist. well, russia does, aaron. right, and we're seeing now with the position of that israel finds itself in that it really is a huge security issue to have hostile military powers right on your doorstep. israel has been in this position where it should have tried to make peace with the people in the region, but it was so hell bent on an expropriating. what the past indians have left, that they've antagonized all of their neighbors. and they find themselves surrounded by people who have missiles that can be aimed at them. and there's really no defense against that. ukraine armed with hypersonic missiles. what's the us will one day be able to produce, you know, more efficiently in the near future. that would have been a disaster for rest of they would have been minutes away from the nuclear range of nato. moscow would have been, so it really was a tremendous threat internet and a legitimate threat. this wasn't an imperialistic land grab by

a vladimir put in the way that it's depicted in the west brush. it has lots of land and lots of resources. it really was motivated by a fear of security. that is part that is existential because it's the same logic that the us applied to cuba in the cuban missile crisis. and you can't really stop ballistic missiles that are very close to you as israel is finding out, you can just overwhelm all missile defense systems. and that's why this is, it was deemed it's such a huge threat in part, in the fact that it would have taken away their access to a warm water port which is essential for russia, which i think is part of the motivation for it. i think rushes, the backing of syria made the you couldn't the neo cons that, that run us for a policy for the last 30 years. it made them go kind of insane. that because they really think that they are the people who are a large part of them are dedicated 1st and foremost to the idea of greater israel. and syria stands in the way of the final solution for the past in and since the rest of the health syria, as well,

the rest of it had to be destroyed. i think that that might be the thing that best explains why they were not so greedy because that's what we expect from western imperialism. but really in single minded, it was stupid way to confront russia in a stupid well english. and so here, i mean, why they didn't, they, they know very little about history because it lets us go back to the cold war. major new killer powers don't go toe to toe. it's not a good idea. you know, why? because one might lose or both might lose. go back to the 19th century. great powers tried to stay away from fighting each other because you could lose. okay, look what happened in 1918 major powers finding each other one empire after another collapse. it's not a good idea to do it, and now we have new killer weapons. okay. that's what makes these people uh, fools and very, very dangerous k j. let me go to you. i mean, i, i promised myself i wouldn't make a program about, uh, biden's dementia,

but the biden's, the mentor isn't, are interfering with our program. okay. we all know about the disastrous debate checks that's done. but then with the a b c, news interview with stephanopoulos. he a bite and was talking about his achievements. i expand nato. you just do americans really give a hoot about expansion of nato? i mean, considering half the country is for the debt that is there. be like so many people feel for their livelihood here. and you have this man saying, but i expanded nato. i mean, these people are really out of touch. you know, it's, it's up. so, i mean, clearly a bite and is no longer capable of, you know, exercising even minimal cognitive function. i think just the other day he said that he was the 1st black president on site for his that yeah, yeah. as vice president. so i think that, you know, in the united states, all you have to do is look around, you, people are starving,

they're homeless. that hysterical the ne kid that's suffering, you know, 50 percent of the us population does not have $600.00 to its name. and for joe biden, to go up in an interview and say that is great. accomplishment is expanding nato. i mean, i think all of us look around and say, you know which planet is this person living on? it's just absolute and total upset. well, you know, but alexander, explain to us why nato won't negotiate an end to this conflict in ukraine by my account. rushes proposed 5 different times. and, and as aaron pointed out, when the assemble process and weeks after the complex started in february of 2022, there was a, a thick document that had been essentially initial. why can't nato negotiate an end to this? because when, when this comes to an end, make us go to look very bad,

it may be, its very existence will be at stake. it has a choice. go ahead. well, are mostly, i honestly believe that natal steel holes that the, there's a liking the end of the tunnel that will allow them to as well exaggerate. you know, i liked the matter for the light at the end of the tunnel, but you know what, that light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming out to keep going. it exists exactly that, and that's pretty much what we'll what do happens in yeah, because they have the expectation that they will be saved and that they will be able to get up this conflict in a clean way. we'd all take at least 2, but need they need to face their own folders and say, well, we have to do a lot of this. we have to achieve an agreement. but at least this was the best solution for everyone, because presently there is no best solution for natal. there's no good solution natal simply is continue and trying to use your brain as

a weapon against russia and until the moment that they will not be able to continue to do so on that moment. natal one to any kind of excuse to go do your part from for this possibly like to share their work at least 5 attempts made by rushes to achieve reach a peace deal. the 1st one, it was not because your brain is even want to be was because your brand names were forced to buy in west. we have decided to say this many, many other funds, and i truly believe that this was the dance. there were several others. i don't believe that you, brandon's are pretty comfortable on, continue fighting against russia and every day listening to the news and watching it with the and reading at the same time that another village another. another place has full and at the same time, dozens or hundreds of you bring in with gary personnel has died. i don't believe that they actually accept that to continue fighting is a solution?

well, i'm it. but there, and if, if you know, if you're in the zalinski gang, i don't know how they cut up the spoils here, but i mean, it's been amazing grips. i mean, well keep it going as long as they possibly can. i'm sure they've got planes on the tarmac to fly them to miami or tell a v, okay, or wherever they're going to go. i mean, this is at the end of the day that's a gripped and, and, and it, we have people like hunt like hunter, by the, you know, was the spirit. but i'll go ahead aaron. yeah, it will be very interesting to see how this plays out. the in the game here with these people because it's going to become clear to the premiums if it's not already that they have been robbed and sold down the river by these people. i think that those is the carrot and the stick. far zalinski is that he can, you know, steal and embezzle, you know, millions and millions of dollars from the money that the us gives you train. but he also, it faces that potentially happy you tries to reverse course. i think that the knob

i the is own people by his own people. yeah. he has a nazi contingency that believes that this is some sort of eschatological conflict for them entered insane you know, an area and back and waterways. but i don't even understand the, it's a beautiful day. a lot of people going to leave and i'm going to be counting their money and no one will be held accountable for this catastrophe that never should have happened. gentleman, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in lisbon, felt philadelphia and in san francisco. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time and remember prospect goals. the a,

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i'm comfortable. my show is called stretching time. but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way you the nato anniversary somebody is kicks off in washington with a quote historic donation to ukraine. one of the blogs continues to cope china 75 years later. as the most successful defense for life g. so look over 8. what it does, puts the world in regents at high security risk, but firmly reject nato's verification and blame shifting. so i always say that piece is essential for the bright future of our next generations. which is why we emphasize that dialogue is necessary. arrange a monique hold for a peaceful resolution to the ukraine calling to say, 20th to day trip to moscow is 5. that's west the latest spit. and when i met the