offering these weapons for sale on official government websites and during the war . and it's not just guys. when a ron launched, retaliatory strikes against israel in april for the 1st time in the decades long confrontation, there was at least one positive outcome for each row. countries to which for one to supply defense technology will now be eager to buy after seeing how the country is protected. this is the best sales promotion, ron has done excellent, sales promotion for israel's arms companies. this will give their big boost to industry, of course, focused and mainly on defense. but it's not that simple. the us actually down to most of the reading missiles and drones headed towards israel. meanwhile, his bullet in the north, repeatedly brief, israel's defense security expert, emulate or, and notes that while the conflict sales connection might seem obvious, there was a cabinet on october the 7th day as well. the system failed. and for all the stuff, use the cation of the detection and ality warning and various uh, sensors,

and the drones, uh, and the uh, intelligence capabilities and cyber base early system not only fail it collapse. so this would not be a good the advertisement. the sometimes the customer would ask, well, if you're so good, why did you fail to remain and reliable supplier for foreign clients? these really defense industry needs to learn the lessons fast and improve even faster and rewards are best for this purpose. the reason all call me the routine in these rooms where the central question is, does a fisherman like fish? so obviously the fisherman leaves around fees, but the also makes that he's living off that. so eventually he takes them out of the water and sent them uh to uh, to the shop and staying with

a mentor for these really see sure man is unlikely to struggle with either he's catch or he says any time soon, protest, happy and organized worldwide for months with calls to stop arm supplies to israel, but surprisingly rarely to boy could buy in is rarely weapons the result record holly exports as the end of the gas, a war is nowhere inside. while the conflict with his ballade risks growing into an all out war, these really arms industry can keep on repeating economic rewards from the unfortunate reality of human conflicts. really from ocean on all t reporting from jerusalem while the around. so this is i'm next to infinity lavelle on coastal with this problem. ok, the

the the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm theater, roosevelt. the north atlantic treaty organization is celebrating its 75th anniversary in washington. this week, for many in the west, nato is deemed to be the most successful military alliance in history. for others, beyond the west, nato is the most serious security threat to humanity. today, the cross talking nato. i'm joined by my guess. erin, good in philadelphia. he is a political scientist historian, as well as author of american exception empire in the deep states in san francisco

. we have k, j. know he is a political analyst and journalist and in lisbon we crossed alexander guerrero. he is an international legal analyst, gentleman comstock rules and effect. that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, aaron, let me go to you. first thing in philadelphia, and we have, we here over and over again, nato is the most successful military alliance in history is almost like getting f one on your computer. but you know, as they're celebrating their 75th anniversary in washington, what achievements, how do they have under their belt, other than surviving as an alliance? that's the only quote unquote achievement. i can think of go ahead or as well they tow served to keep alive western imperialism and to re brand it as a either under consolidated under the us band or as really of all of the colonial powers of the world. the united uh, basically the core of capitalism and imperialism for the proceeding surgeries. and

they were able to re brand it as a defense of freedom. this very powerful force or a that had a lot of invest in capital all around the world. the us police that, uh and nato was uh, the tip of the spear there in a sense, especially as it began to expand into these, quote unquote peacekeeping missions and so on in the wake of the cold war of the aftermath of the cold war. and this led to it becoming something new, kind of different sort of a in force or for the, the, or global capitalism for the us, us empire, west of imperialism. and but going back to the cold war, i mean, if it's a successful lot regime in that it did stay in power for so long. but it's also existed as a kind of dictatorship of europe in certain ways. i mean the gladiators, the gladto networks were called nato secret armies by some people. and they were there as a kind of dictatorship in the wings for any western european leader that got out of

line that they could stage fall spiked hair attacks. so it, it put the lie to democracy because you can't really have a democracy when the state maintains a secret veto over the very lives of your heads of state. and can also engage in acts of pulse black terrorism to move the population politically wherever they want them. so this is really a dark horse in global politics that i don't think will be fully recognized by a large parts of the public it till the afternoon. as with so many things of that we see in the last decades of especially the us empire, such as denial of about what the is at the top of it at the corner of it, that i don't think we can deal with it until that power is is decisively defeated and perhaps when nato is dissolved, we'll start talking about, well, you know, yeah, okay, it's really interesting with a visa, ve, the ukraine complex nato has been able to devour as it were the

european union. i mean, it's, you know, you, the, the, it's nato, the dictates the security ideas of, of the entire union, the independence of states do not. so that is another on, not in nato is about it. one of the interesting things, as they always talk about themselves as a defense of alliance, i'm calling this program offensive alliance. um, i wonder what people in, in serbia think about the term defensive alliance or libya and the failed mission in you. in afghanistan. i mean, and also what they're doing and ukraine, i mean, they continue to say that they're not a party to the conflict with lisa, which is just laughable. go ahead. k j. yes, i mean, it's been the murderous on of us imperialism. and it's, as you said earlier, it's great, it's success as being it's branding or it's mystification of what it's really doing . it's not defensive. it's never support a defensive war in it's lifetime claims to be a collection of democracies. but no,

it's never been democratic from the beginning. it was allied with fashion, states like what your goals and delete it was integral in ensuring the success of fascism around europe. and it even had lose one time. chief of stock adults posting go. he went from the chief of the nazi military command to the chief, but the nasal military for not. and did you know of ports to uphold human rights and rule of law but actually destroyed human rights? it destroys human lives. it destroys a po. and i think the way that the countries are and the world had largely seen through it and see what it is rested on us imperialism bein sports the boons of us lives. well, it's alexander, you know, they, they call themselves a defense of alliance. but if you look at the security architecture of europe, nato is an instrument in which european security is decided,

not only without russia but against russia, and that's why we have the situation we have in ukraine. go ahead in lisbon. right here we are saying here in europe where we say the best defense is get there. and basically this is the, the, the, the, the topic that inspires the model that lease nato on east actions towards any other countries. we must not forget that mary, itself, it was created in late 19 for special need to check gold and to block the communities as well as the most of the soviet union over your so the start to, to have any duration to find russia. what do these russia after the whole, are of the full of the early old things? the chief gym drastically because they have an kremlin back then, a president that was all in favor of the west of useless. but suddenly,

when the russians decided to have their own identities to make their own way by themselves, then again, russia rise as being understood here in the west as being anatomy. and as long as we have this kind of understanding to look at russia as anatomy and not as in our, we will keep only speeding social the rest. the serial and ras innovation is like actually that's everything that marks and that's the main brand off natal. all over the world. so what we have no, you bring, this is not a surprise if we take a look above how the united states worked so hard along with you'd be union, consult, democratically elected president. and to try to influence the political situation in the brain and we are missing now underneath those lives. this is understood as being a challenge on the life of their we, we as nate or we, as with, we have to defeat the independence. russia as well as new people or is this you saw

things understood and yeah, this is how they to his work is by spreading more and more locally pick news, but also to share and to provide a lot of weaponry to you brain because the dream is not to see he bring, he's not to have an independent to bring they bowl. the main goal is only to target russia and other russia equal also can china, the 2 major powers into world war independently, to work independently from? what's the needs of the quote, you know, area and wait, wait, we heard from lloyd awesome. the secretary of defense early on. and this complex, or this part of the come what they should say because it started in 2014 not in 2022 is that the goal was to, we can rush it and of course not only to, we can rush it, but to break it up, we have, there are officials in the european union now that say that openly go ahead. aaron, the right that's clearly was the whole mind onto was about and it's more and more

obvious that this is the case and it's the it, the whole episode highlights the real crisis at the top of the us regime because it should have been easy to game out that the you that the, that the ukrainians, we're not going to be able to defeat russia, that russia viewed this as a extremely important existential even battle for themselves. and that they would, they would not be able to defeat them, defeat russia in ukraine without provoking a response that could likely leads and go to nuclear war. then russia has been very methodical about treating the ukrainian military. that is essentially a nato military, a week after week after week. and when you, we were talking before about how you people predicted that this conflict put it in pretty quickly and it absolutely should have ended very quickly. that was about to end in april. right. so that's why it's negotiations, and it's a truism and international relations and political science that you can't achieve

anything at the negotiating table that you cannot achieve on the battlefield. but this wasn't really true for ukraine. ukraine could actually walk away with a much better deal than it ever could achieve on the battlefield as we are seeing now. and was always obvious. and the, the war itself had the effect of imposing upon russia. the imperative that they had to engage in import substitute industrialization because of all the sanctions and everything else. but the us actually in the west, the liberal west of the early cold war, used to actually advocate this for countries that had balance of payments pro, problems and so on. as a way to shore up their economic systems. and this is how the us became and economic power was through import substitute industrialization, texting tariffs and taxing and parts and building infrastructure. that was how the us became and with power. that's all right. so we basically forced pressure to do things that were very beneficial for russia economically and industrially. and we

hastened the end of the dollar regime. and we have wasted a massive amounts of money, some of which went to actually buy weapons and probably pay soldiers. but a lot of it was just embezzled by ukrainians. who are there, taking all of this money in just sacrificing their own countrymen for this doomed effort that is really only made russia considerably stronger us and nato a weaker and destroyed ukraine. yeah, i mean k of the, the, the whole effort to turn the, the, the, the rubel into rubble is actually boomerang very, very strongly against the west. i mean, if you, if you're not a lift you live in russian, you don't follow the news. you wouldn't even though the country is sanctioned. go ahead take a real quick before we go to the break. absolutely, and most countries have not gone along with those sanctions. it's the vast majority of countries, except for the e. u and some western european vassals,

those are the only countries that have gone along with these unilateral illegal sanctions, most of the world has voted with their feet and they said we are not with the united states when not with nature. and so very clearly, as you point out in russia, you know, the sanctions on felt rushes. economy is doing fine. it's like it's doing much more . well, i mean, i was surprised a lot of viewers. i like the sanctions. i think like them or get away from the toxic a financial system of the west because it doesn't have a future gentleman. i have to jump in here. we're going to go to wish a short break. and after that break, we'll continue our discussion on nato state with our to the

the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter le, about your mind. you were discussing nato, the okay, i was henry, started out this program by asking air and what the a t, what nato was achieved on at 75th birthday here. but i've, i found, you know,

broken promises to be honest with you, and let's go through for them real quick, one right after another. not one in east talking about german unification. ok. they lied about that ukrainian neutrality. they lied about that indivisibility of security. they lied about that, and the whole men's process, they've proven to move themselves to be deceitful, liars, so i don't know what they're celebrating. but i think the, the, the dishonesty in duplicity of this alliance has to be highlighted. that's why i'm making this program. alexander a yes, basically they're celebrating all those countries that they help to fuel and rest. they also help to these member, and i think about you was lady a probably on their neighbors perspective. this is a reason to celebrate a, specially for the present to present the secretary general. do not the nations who back them was primary sort of portugal and she supported fully. then they do it.

the ration daniels love it now sees the building and to try to call for, for be in, in, in your brain. but basically what your brain has been given guys, what nato has been giving us all over this time. was only the new fairly speak agenda. only then will solution that they want to gather more and more countries on the under the perspective of a boarding seer, rather than that, they will give any kind of depressing perspective. for example, you bring, they have the expectations to join nato. so wish we allow, it's highly unlikely to really it will never happen. never bought. i bought the st possible, but it's technically it's highly unlikely, but i believe that they keep would keep pressure on the secretary general nature to last accept down. at the same time, i believe that this is no queasiness. there. literally this we took the blue we far

above the easy this on the bill. you have to be going here. yeah. the way it was discussed and he bates all over weston, me force the media. yep. and how this could be used in order to just define more and more weaponry support from day to to break. we never heard, we have never heard a deal now and not only nato officials, but also be an individual's speaking about these about jews. never heard of about that. we only hear the say kind of model which is destroying and defeats the rushing. we have to that pressure re douglas of what did the fix they will produce on your brain and i have to west, what do you guys have to bring? will we have in the next 22 years? will there even be you great. what is this? the project alternate to is this is like, well, you know, alexander, i don't think the nato under the leadership of the united states gives a hoot about what happens to ukraine personally. okay. i mean,

i suppose of the zalinski regime as illegitimate as it is right now. they will always strive for nato membership as long as they get paid. okay, i don't know. do these people send their kids to the front? i tend to doubt it, you know, air and there's, i, i mentioned my, my 3rd broken promise lie here. and i don't want to sound really nerdy, but you know, the indivisibility of security. this was what made your opinion security work. you can not enhance your security at the expense of another country. everybody agreed to that. everybody, if it was called the helsinki process, okay. and now they tow as, as if that doesn't exist. well, russia does, aaron. right. and we're seeing now with the position of that israel finds itself in that it really is a huge security issue to have hostile military powers, right on your doorstep. israel has been in this position where it should have tried to make peace with the people in the region, but it was so hell bent on an ex,

procreating what the past indians have left, that they've antagonized all of their neighbors. and they find themselves surrounded by people who have missiles that can be aimed at them. and there's really no defense against that. ukraine armed with hypersonic missiles. what's the us will one day be able to produce, you know, more efficiently in the near future. that would have been a disaster for rest. so they would have been minutes away from the nuclear range of nato. moscow would have been, so it really was a tremendous threat internet and a legitimate threat. this wasn't an imperialistic land grab by a vladimir put in the way that it's depicted in the west brush. it has lots of land and lots of resources. it really was motivated by a fear of security, that is part that is existence. so because it's the same logic that the us applied to cuba in the cuban missile crisis, if you can't really stop ballistic missiles that are very close to you,

as israel is finding out, you can just overwhelm all missile defense systems. and that's why this was deemed as such a huge threat in part, in the fact that it would have taken away their access to a warm water port, which is essential for russia, which i think is part of the motivation for it. i think rushes, the backing of syria made the you couldn't the neo cons that, that run us for a policy for the last 30 years. it made them go kind of insane that because they really think that they are people who are a large part of them are dedicated 1st and foremost, to the idea of greater israel and syria stands in the way of the final solution is of the pasta. and, and since the rest of the health syria as well, the rest of it had to be destroyed. i think that that might be the thing, the best explains why they were not so greedy because that's what we expect from western imperialism. but really in single minded, it was stupid way to confront russia in a stupid well english. and so, i mean, why they didn't, they,

they know very little about history because let's just go back to the cold war. major new killer powers. don't go toe to toe, it's not a good idea. you know why? because one might lose or both might lose. go back to the 19th century. great powers try to stay away from, from fighting each other because you could lose. okay, look what happened in 1918 major powers finding each other one empire after another collapse. it's not a good idea to do it. and now we have new killer weapons. okay. that that's what makes these people of fools and very, very dangerous k j. let me go to you. i mean i, i promised myself i wouldn't make a program about biden's dementia, but the biden's, the mentor is inter interfering with our program. okay. we all know about the disastrous debate checks that's done. but then with the a b, c, news interview with stephanopoulos, the biden was talking about his achievements. i expand nato, you just do americans really give a hoot about expansion of nato?

i mean, considering house, the country is for the debt that is there. be like so many people feel for their livelihood here. and you have this man saying, but i expanded nato. i mean, these people are really out of touch. you know, it's, it's up. so, i mean, clearly biden is no longer capable of, you know, exercising even minimal cognitive function. i think just the other day he said that he was the 1st black president of uh, size for his that yeah, yeah. as vice president. so i think that, you know, in the united states, all you have to do is look around, you, people are starving, they're homeless. that hysterical the naked, they're suffering, you know, 50 percent of the us population does not have $600.00 to its name. and for joe biden, to go up in an interview and say that is great. accomplishment is expanding nato. i mean, i think all of us look around and say,

you know which planet is this person living on? it's just absolute and total upset. well, you know, but alexander, explain to us why nato won't negotiate an end to this conflict in ukraine. by my account. russia is proposed 5 different times. and, and as aaron pointed out, when this them bull process and weeks after the complex started in february of 2022, there was a, a sticker document that had been essentially initial. why can't nato negotiate an end to this? because when, when this comes to an end, make us go to look very bad and maybe its very existence will be at stake. it has a choice. go ahead. well, are mostly, i honestly believe that natal steel holes that there is a liking the end of the tunnel that will allow them to exit. no exempt or you know, i liked the matter for the light at the end of the tunnel. but you know what,

that light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming out to keep going. it exists exactly that, and that's pretty much look really what happens in. yeah, because they have the expectation that they will be saved and then they will be able to get off of this conflict in a clean way. we'd all take at least 2, but need they need to face their own folders and say, well, we have to do a lot of this. we have to achieve an agreement. but at least this was the best solution for everyone, because presently there is no best solution for natal. there's no good solution natal. simply these continue and trying to use your brain as a weapon against the russian and until the moment that they will not be able to continue to do so on that moment. natal, one to any kind of excuse to go to your parking for this possibly like to share their work at least 5 attempts made by russia to achieve reach a peace deal. the 1st one, it was not because you bring this even want to be,

it was because the brand names were forced to buy in west. we have decided to say this many, many other funds and not to believe that this was the dance. there were several others, i don't believe that you gradients are pretty comfortable on, continue fighting against the rest yet and every day. listening to the news and watching it with the and reading at the same time that another village another. another players pass full and at the same time, dozens or hundreds of you bring in the gary personnel has died. i don't believe that they actually accept that to continue fighting is a solution. well, i'm it, but there, and if you, if you know, if you're in the zalinski gang, i don't know how they cut up the spoils here. but i mean, it's been amazing grips. i mean, well, keep it going as long as they possibly can. i'm sure they've got planes on the tarmac to fly them to miami, or tell a be okay or wherever they're going to go. i mean, this is at the end of the day that's a gripped and, and, and it,

we have people like hunt, like hunter biting video was the spear of it all. go ahead aaron. yeah, it will be very interesting to see how this plays out. the in the game here with these people because it's going to become clear to the training is if it's not already that they have been robbed and sold down the river by these people. i think that those is the carrot and the stick. far zalinski is that he can, you know, steal and embezzle, you know, millions and millions of dollars from the money that the us gives you train. but he also faces that potentially happy you tries to reverse course. i think that the knob i the is own people by his own people. yeah. he has a nazi contingency that believes that this is some sort of eschatological conflict for them. entered in saying, you know, an area and back and waterways, but i don't even understand the it's the end of the day. a lot of people going to

leave and are going to be counting their money and no one will be held accountable for this catastrophe that never should have happened. gentleman, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess and lisbon felt philadelphia and in san francisco. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. and remember, across the rules, the, the, [000:00:00;00] the,

[000:00:00;00] the, the last, the excellence of the credit is saying he can do the escape being full, fully mobile. i does come in for the bus or do you did say to do to 23 men trying to cross into neighboring move, the joe biden on those outgoing new to, to be installed. so, but with the president to middle of freedom, be stepping down also a decade of puting effort. so have escalated tensions with russia today? no stronger, smarter tomorrow. and then when you begin process cuba