the i'm action or time, so you're welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. what did you make of this week's nature? somebody posted in washington dc from where school is about complex willow and stroll around the world since the self described defense organization was created. 75 years ago, just on the age of a nation, policies are bringing us of a closer to wiping out to humanity. in a nuclear war from us, a tech postal is one of the usa is most prominent specialists in nuclear weapons and missile defense. the professor emeritus of science technology and international security and mit and a former advisors with us chief of naval operations joins me now from boston, massachusetts professor, thank so much for coming back on last time you were on that was around the same time as i should i came on, he publicized your search showing nato countries were duped into supporting as strikes on damascus. britain, the united states in france actually this week,

the israel bomb by the these countries, the bottom, the syria, before we get onto an 8 or 75th anniversary, do you feel vindicated? about exposing the lies that brought to the war on syria? well i, i don't know what vindicated means because it's, uh, it's almost like a beauty contest of dealing with the public reactions to what you say. never seems to the get get the kind of proper, but i would call technical review of that one hopes that you would get. of course, it's difficult to do that in a journal or stick environment, but i certainly feel good. every thing i conclude it turned out to be absolutely correct. and the more you, when i revisit it, i just see more and more details that get together. so even though oscar aside,

the oscars were handed out to documentary is that said there were chemical attacks . you have the new york times. um, uh uh, did they have there's a video branch that they now have and the people that are to have no idea what they're doing. you know, they tell her story videos and by selectively showing the pictures, they control any story they want and there seems to be no control over, you know, ground truth. and i find it rather shocking, but the new york times has really become an extraordinarily unreliable source on anything that's international. well, of course it was the media, celebrating the $75.00. yeah. or anniversary or nato held in washington with a will. these will the leaders propaganda machine in full flow. what do you think of the state of nato is all the journalists,

including those from the new york times? the swans around saying now is the time to confront russia, china, iran. i don't know how many other countries. well, 1st of all there's, there's a delusion, every aspect to this whole thing. because if you look at the ukraine war and i've been following it on the date daily basis, be the russians are overwhelming the ukranian forces and they are inflicting tremendous casualties on these forces. and it is clear that the russian strategy that is to cause a tremendous amount of attrition on the ukrainian forces leading to a weakening so great that we're in russia then chooses to go on the off ends on options in this case to be just take territory because they're not trying to take

territory, what they're trying to do is reduce ukrainian forces to, to, to shout, to, to ghost of what they were. and there's a cheating very well. i think they're probably 550000 casualties. are now the credit in for some bullies are it's hard to know what the russian casualties are, but they are much lower in spite of financial, gunter. and the reason for that are numerous reasons for that. the russians have complete control of the air over the line of combat, which means that they can deliver munitions anywhere. there's a need for a powerful bomb of some kind to destroy the fortified position. and they have a $10.00 to $1.00 advantage in artillery and artillery. there's

the big chart in this congress more than 60 or 70 percent of the casualties are typically caused by artillery not not confines. and this is just tremendous advantage, and artillery is, is profound because nato nato cannot produce much more than $30000.00 or maybe $40000.00 a $155.00 millimeter howitzer shells a month right now in russia is producing 10 times rather than in charles, which are cool is higher the lincoln sure to which of course, and they blinking secretary of state would say, and has been saying that the nato conference in washington this week. that's why and he himself is a consultant before becoming secretary of state. west exec cannot consultancy defense companies. said we're going to give f sixteens to control the air as well

as the aaa of defense systems. so how will that change the conflict? well, partner mr. blinking should know a little bit of well doesn't unfortunately, but we have 16 is not going to make any difference at all. as far as i control the it's it, it doesn't have a lot of, i mean it has significant the ability to carry bombs, but it's no rush or an air defenses become dominant in this area and they shoot down claims like crazy in the air strips name is not going to be any better and avoid being shot down then a relatively, uh, modern uh no, russian or sylvia chat. if you want to call the draft that does the gradients i've been trying to operate near craft will be destroyed on the term back in the near

fios, which are now under regular attack of from long range missiles. yes, explains, will be shot down over the horizon from beyond the horizon of russian air defense systems. because the russians have a tightly coordinated system of airborne radars are just like are what a wax are airborne warning and control systems. those radars can see you have 6 needs well beyond the curvature of yours when you're on the ground and they can immediately send all the information to the ground uh to the ground air defense for it to launch a very powerful giant uh interceptor that can fly but could reach out to maybe

almost 400 kilometers and engage have 6 name that you have 6 name is not even good or no, it's under attract. what's gonna happen is this uh, this giant intercept that will fly at 1st under a ballistic trajectory, trading the altitude for speed. and it will not turn on. it's a determining rate or until the very light time. and it will be arriving at such high speed as a pilot will not even know you're under attack. or even if they know that roger attractive will have no time at all to react. and the russians have been using this very successfully to shoot down a ukrainian aircraft, but f 16 is not going to be any more impervious to this. then uh, when, when the aircraft at the gradients, i've already been using the show all the, all the applause in washington where i found just wasting taxpayer dollars of nato countries. then you would say,

i mean if he believes in in ski rush or deliberately hit the children's hospital in the past few days, if you believe propaganda, media like the bbc, comcast sky, new, cnn, and all these kinds of propaganda stations. they say actually russia is framed for its poor targeting during this ukraine war. and that's why the children's hospitalization, because the russian say it was ukrainian defense has been hit the children's hospital so catastrophic like, well, i mean it's, it's hard to know my, my guess is that this building was unfortunately hit with a russian rock. that's my guess. i want, i want to use the word yes. and the reason i believe that is not because of any videos i've seen of rockets coming in the next direction, some pretty interesting videos of these cruise missiles arriving. but that's because the level of damage at the local level is much larger than you would expect

from an air defense interceptor, hitting the building for me to collapse the whole building, whatever it. and now when i was intentional or not, i don't believe for a minute or 2nd that it was intention. and we certainly have situations like what occurred as the rest of the co where these are a tack them uses. uh uh, bomb like, uh, dropping the missiles that were fired sylvester pope of children injured a large number of people on the beach. and i don't believe that was intended, but i think it would be the comes up supply by the united states. uh, that killed all those civilians killed or injured a 100 people in the on that crime in beach was because they were trying to attack civilian target downtown. so basketball because daily the u. s. u. k. u back

recreating and forces are attacking civilian targets in belgrade. and elsewhere, the russians say they're attacking military facilities and deny, of course, that it was a russian as well. i actually looked at the trajectories involved and i tend to agree that it looks like the, the re, uh, missiles i dropped the bomb lights on the beach was very likely heading toward the north central region of sylvester pole, which is not a military area. and so i don't think the russians were clear enough on the trajectories of reason coming rockets. but what i could tell based on what was said and, and, and, and the locations of the launch points are the, and, and the accident to be the trustworthy. if you want to call it, but it does, it does appear that the rockets were a that's going to be in areas and one of them got hit the damage as the others were

apparently shut down. but one of them got damaged and it fell short. and it released all these bonbons and faster, but also if you were shooting at a further south that downtown area like if you're shooting at that area, there's an in what, where a russian naval vessels, what would be the morgue? and but what, i don't know why you would shoot at those naval vessels using bomblets because the bomb legend does land on the decks of the vessels and exploded through. if there's, if there's crew on the back though, it will kill or injure them, but they won't destroy the ships not at all present here. no pascal, stop you. that more from the former side, difficulties engine depends because naval operations chief after this break the

there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case of the med, most of the people i've tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon, this is the 3rd world will receive re washing as for. so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deal. so let me, let me on my have very quick propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask the better the answer is will be the for them lean legit do when it comes to getting more when defend donasia that a just to counter russian. and i think these installation grantees are very, very aware of the fact and they tried to use that uh, notion for data on the,

the the welcome back to going on the writing not affiliated with the m i. t, professor emeritus of science, technology and international security, and pull this scientific advisor to defend against naval operations, chief progressive tempo. so, you know, you were saying in part one about the children's hospital attack, you were talking about the attack them's attack and cry, me a as regards targeting of these, uh, nato nation weapons in this 75th anniversary party week in washington, dc. does the united states have boots on the ground in ukraine to target to these miss, i'll say, with the one that uh, killed or injured a 100 people on a beach civilians on a beach is around my 6 on the ground. is it special forces?

i have no way of knowing, i would put it past the either the c i a or a bunch hits to be on the ground. unfortunately, both of those agencies have a long history of being a rogue government or both the rich and americans. and we have the secret c i a which is now interfering with the western press. i mean, these guys are paying journalists to what evidence would you have to say a paying west? a journalist. the job is, i know i have to say, i mean, i spent a long time in the bbc, they do the c i is meeting with no need for any extra money as well. all right, so you have, i mean, i'm thinking of the group that i tangled with, uh, uh, this guy telling me and higgins, who uh, selling cash for it to pay for you know, here's this organization called bell and got it. and it's just

a bunch of people were making it up as the go along and they have money. so my understanding from outside sources which may may not be correct. i don't, i don't know where this money will be coming from. but to support a group of people like this, but it seems they like that they've attacked this program while we invite any of higgins on any time to task about to to answer about where is the source of funding is what you said. the attack comes that hit the beach in crime. me a well look to targeted civilian areas. me as a vast apple with this of needed targeting. i know you said that the patriot missile batteries many more which of which are going to be sent according to the nature conference in washington dc. this we, they need us boots on the ground to help with the targeting. i'll be honest with you. i, i don't know about your tech and the patriots need to be manned by people who are

trained and it's hard for me to understand a loose operator use patriot units. if 0 or not you know, you gradients to have to be trained in the training. just take some time and the destruction of patriot units about the russians, which has been going on for quite a while, almost certainly kills a lot of the people who operate easier defense system. so i don't know where the cranes are getting retrain personnel. now maybe they get them trained out, so i had of time expecting them to die. or just don't know. now you are one of the world's preeminent military. uh, scientists. you know, like doctors range love though. i know that people can watch our interview with the, with the sound, the cubic daughter on our own channel. uh you, uh, we've had a string of film or us military officials. horrified about the attack on russia's

nuclear, any warning systems? what was your 1st thoughts when you heard, or i realize these are the landscapes troops as an ascii soldiers had targeted rushers early warning. you to systems are actually immediately immediately wrote to jeffrey sachs uh, of and copied a whole bunch of people because of the i was in the street. well jeffrey sachs, advisors the there's, we don't, this is kind of, he was horrified to you as well. he drives as the secretary general of you and so i wanted to make sure that jeffrey knew. so i'd rather you could alert the secretary general them whatever mechanisms they have. it could be one could be for that you know, activated. but i have been studying the russian early warning system for decades. it's not the only thing i do. thank god, but uh uh,

it stems from a concern i had from the days i was in the pentagon because i was in the pentagon and i was very suspicious that the russian early warning system was not up to the job. when i was independent. god, i didn't trust the intelligence i received. it just didn't look right. and um, when late many years later, i analyze a uh, a false alert uh, accident that occurred in russia. and to a series of a detailed analysis. it became clear that the russians did not have a space based global surveillance system. now let me explain what that means. the united states has satellites, what are called geosynchronous orbit. so those orbits, or in high altitude and the orbital rotation is once every 24 hours along with your

below. so the satellite appears to be stationary over. oh, oh, you know above the ground courses, it's very far out. it's about 40000 kilometers in space. and the satellite looks down and it could see the hot exhaust blue of a vessel wanted to watch her ballistic missile when it's watch. so for example, if the united states lost one of its fairly wandering radars, we could immediately use the satellites to determine that nothing was happening happening in that potential attack card. russians do not have this capability. this is not because they haven't tried. i have a lot of detailed analysis and historical data that shows they made a significant effort. and incidentally, it's not because they don't know what they're doing. i've been a whole bunch of russian satellite experts. it was very clear to me that they're

probably very people is extremely on your scientific capabilities. but they don't have the electronics and big red fencing technologies that they need to be able to look down straight at the ground and, and, and see the small signal from a rocket to against the bright reflections of sunlight of cloud tops. so filter, they completely depended on these any warnings. i mean, you don't, you think it was a, is a landscape marshals landscape both because your elected anymore you will issue to elections. it was a ukrainian or as off nazi aligned group tactic, rather than any kind of collaboration with the biden administration would surely, well have countenance such as drake it's, it's hard for me to know because we're dealing with actors. so are really largely ignorant. and i mean,

i include mr. blake and mr. barton and mr. sullivan. i've dealt with white house people over the years and they never, they never know anything about the us early warning system. get along the russians . they just don't know. they don't get briefed on it. for reasons, there is a whole lot of discussion about government failures, of government communicate into internal communication. part of the reason i asked jeffrey to cuz he has people you can contact at the white house that he tells them immediately. they talk to, you know, they send the information to the white house, because i doubt that anybody in the white house understood how dangerous this attack on this radar was. because the russians would have no ability to understand what could be happening in that particular direction. i mean, how capable is the united states for all of its early warning using the satellites?

and they've actually been reliant on a little muscle cell increasingly lightly because it got seem to low into the satellites of intercepting how cable is the united states of intercepting a russian nuclear warhead. in any case, i know they said that the north korean miss, i'll was invincible against current to us. we are okay with the united states are actually with united states has no capability to intercept any ballistic. much in some sense. that's why when people talk about all these hypersonic missiles, a new, you know, a long range attack. so i kind of laughed to myself because i said they can't intercept the ballistic missiles, who cares about offers on it. so it doesn't need to be a console. this uh, with the new pay, what i mean the united states has no defenses against. nope, no, none at all. do you, how does that come to be that you are uh, you are g scientist and the advisor, the pentagon, there you are naval operations didn't no one think under reagan and success of

presidents. this might be something that needed to be looked at rather than the projects when you were planes that there's, that never worked well. i mean, for the long range ballistic missile defenses, missiles that are, are flying in space against the united states. if were we were attacked, we would be in the near vacuum of space and, you know, it'd be a high altitude, been in that environment. a rock in the center will travel together because there's no error than amick drag to cause a heavy object. is that a light object to slow up relative to a heavy object? so all you need to do is put the balloon up. you know, it doesn't even have to have the shape of a warhead, because all you see from a distance is a, is a spot of a warm, you know, a warm signal. i shouldn't be the same professor, but of course the chinese balloon was because we are talking about again and we

always say, well, you tries, that's how the chinese balloon goes over then the met, whether the living has which i need school it. right. and so, you know, belong, and you can have hundreds of balloons, a company, each ballistic, whereas it's very, very easy to make for space. and it can wait track m chase or you know, few ounces. and the system has no way of understanding what it's looking at. okay, well finally a very, very briefly then if the united states isn't uh, is destroyed beforehand and you, capitals, you expect, certainly the ukraine in its present form will not exist after the current uh, complex is over and, and you believe that you realize all this because there's no room for independent thoughts and in washington at the moment. well, actually is nato. the way i see the nato celebration which i've been watching,

part of this is a kind of feel ship and deal. when i watch this because i see these people deluding themselves into believing that they are winning a war and that they have already lost the question. they've lost it. you don't terms of, you know, the russians get it any time decide to take the rest of you. great. it would be very fast because there's no army left english. but i should still wait to continue destroying the final remnants of ukrainian army. so when they choose to take the rest of your grand, so they'll be minimal. russian casualty, that's what i'm gonna try to do is keep your cache and things that make sense from their point of view. so i'm looking at this requiring the celebration in washington, and it's just it's, it's kind of disgusting to be honest because these are people who are in positions of responsibility. they make decisions that costs human lives. those human lives

are not only ukrainian or russian, such as a war that is going on now for no purpose because it's over. russians can and any time they choose about just are knocking down what's left of the door and walking through. and then you have a president is already to be that it's very clear, he's not competent, he's got something seriously wrong with him. and. and i wonder how much is going on before it's become very clear because when he talks about his record of behavior, it's kind of astonishing there. cuz you know, he's bragging about converting nato from a defensive organization, which it was up until the 19, like 19, eighties, 9090 you to

a highly regressive offer to organization that has cause a war that did not have to happen where a tremendous number of people are being killed and injured in any talks, you got an interview just a few days earlier where he actually presented himself as, as the leader of the world, just managing the whole world. he actually said this, i just cringed when he said this, and i'm thinking though, of, of, of next at yahoo in gaza drums is knows i by weight by you makes an empty statement. stop killing all these innocent people. because i mean, he has no influence of any time. and then he used to visit himself, but it was just big, important figure. last of all this control. and if he starts with what we're trying now, i want to go out of my way to make this point. united states will lose that war professor

that also thank you. and that's for the show. i'll continue condolences to those brief by nature nation on genocide will be back on monday to ask about palestine sex move with palestine. school more invested us to washington and jobs and keep in touch. why? why social media, if it's not such a new a country and to a journal going on the ground to be a normal, don't come to a funeral. that type of going undergrad to monday. the what else seemed wrong? just don't you have to shape house and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will the

parts we choose to look so common ground the the top headlines right here are not see as jo. biden's on see an ice in washington, 90000000 bucks. pledge to his campaign funding this report, leaf frozen as his mega donors and corporate media back as make a southern utah also is really sad, lives putting pressure on palestinians, pushing them off the line in the west by local software, from the destruction of the property. it's now basically every, with the main goal of all or what's happening around is the students have been a senior and all that. but a scene is like this. they live the lakes and an exam and see it all the time. and all that when the scene is unsafe, nato countries are looking at.