not just standing in their way prussia mall. this is off the the, [000:00:00;00] the welcome to world a part for century central asia has been both a coverage of price and in federal grounds in the increased power of rivalry, serving as a graveyard of empires,

but also struggling to develop and prosper on its own terms as the focal point in the battle for your res at moved west for to ukraine with the devastating consequences for the latter. how the central asian nations manage that being at the crossroads of global politics. we'll discuss that now and joined by part of it 5 s . look, the associates fell at the, the canada international foundation in your daily doctor and good stay. it's a great honor for me. the great pleasure to talk to thank you very much for being here. thank you for having me here. now, in the 20th century, it was sooner fashionable, amongst historians and strategists, to stress central asian central asia or critical position. it was believed that whoever controls this vast region would have the resources and the military power to control the world. does it still apply in this day and age, the sort of do a strategic significance of the region?

i think the st alicia still hold of the us started you a position in the region, but i thing that it all off the grid game has gone. uh, these countries are very well aware of their uh, liability, as well as this trends for now what they are doing, the trying to use their position to gain more and more from the different bios, which have the a intention to expand that influence in central issue now we are talking here about 5 stance cars, x tom can i guess donald's back us down to jacob's son into a plant is done to reach where one's part of the soviet union. and as you mentioned in many of your articles, they have always focused on pursuing a so called multi debit or foreign policy. i mean, they are still doing that regardless of the war in your brain. but given that the distance between those various vectors has increased dramatically. how has that approach changed?

there has been a lot of both. they've done the same of this uh, content test started. so these countries have been in the line late. it is mostly the best and age and just to get something out of the ventilation country. you know, the, i, i have already mentioned in most, hopefully i think those that they follow that more to do with the foreign policy. and they're doing it even though they haven't paid the size or i show for what do or uh it is doing. and they haven't supported it, they have all the doing the statements about having the, both for the, the, for the solution to the conflicts and on. but at the same time, what i know of the installation countries, cooperation with the russia has deepened. in contrast to look the rest and plus i have general less than i do have been going on like a she has a degree thing and friends individual. i don't believe in that. i've seen that 1st thing, but i shot records. i've signed a oh that's d. so this uh,

cooperation has deepened. uh then uh, like, uh, an auction in drawing things and alicia a decrease in other countries like i got this done where it gets done when it's done. they have been more volk or about, uh, you know, uh, expressing their interest when it comes to uh, made up. i live in one thing, but that is what i show. but there it is. china with a different list day of one of these countries to focus on what the central leasing countries want, more than well, this country is one from defend ashmond. now and the at the same time they continue building the ties with the west. last here we fitness, the witness, the 1st, the ever central asian leaders summit taking place in new york with us president joe biden being present. he also wrote about the visit of the french president crohn to the region. so when do you seeing those countries? um, looking for in their relationship with the west and what is the west uh hoping to

achieve their see i think the west has been like both swing insulation with offend pollution. countries seem to collapse of so afternoon since 1991. they are probably many, and i in the region was to, you know, take care of difficult it's, it's immune ending from the us. i'm glad it's done specially but the scenario has to, at least, you know, now defend pollution countries. they don't want to discuss just the basic security issue of the divest. they want to discuss the now do they want to discuss creek being and do they want to discuss climate change? they want to discuss a trade and economic investment. until i live the west understand that they should engage with defend dimensions are due on these lines 30. so security issues and the discussions on that that is not going to like be beneficial for the rest. the, the main agenda of the west is just to uh, confirm, uh, contest,

russian and chinese engagements. and alicia, and i think that does not include subdivision countries, are they, they, they understand that uh as, as they are pursuing them or do a different policy. they want to have relations with the shop, with china and with the rest, or you can not come to offend delays. yeah. and just to bash a showing of china, i think, given in sonia times the political or governing culture in central asia was notably in different from the one in, in ukraine. there were far more risk averse. i thing, do you think the perception of risk of that calculation of risk has changed in any way since i think they are now in a position to take risks. and the one reason why they, i've no like trying to take this is because we see up on the do regional integration very mean send an issue. you have seen a lot of uh,

c 5 plus one of meetings in the cynthia. so they can do 3 of we have seen a lot of meetings in that for me that having a meeting with the, the us with the jo. many with that i shared with china with india that shows that they are trying to showcase themselves as a single entity they, they try it and not bringing the domestic and by the 3rd disputes into data, broader vision symbols. now you mentioned this, there are many meetings within this uh, new form or the all 5 c, 5 rice. do those meetings actually we to any substantive results because it's one thing to meet with joe biden and discuss whatever. but does these actually materialize in any projects? on the ground, i think yes it is. i will give you an exam um, but from like in the us and delicious. i mean,

most of the proposals that have been made in the declaration signed in delhi that discarded the declaration. most of the proposals have been already full feet. they uh, they were uh, proposal to have a joint working group on job a high port language and a proposal for a joint working refundable dentist on the meeting of the initial security advisors of indiana's. and the reason that is already have been done. so i think this form, it has the quality that the highest level. so most of the commitment made in the uh, us us, i mean, it is uh, being a taken care of. and i think that has to happen with the uh, us centrally shuffle met also because uh, most of the thing that the most problem is that uh in uh, in that uh, summit us is taking steps though not on a larger scale, but they, they are taking uh, interest to fulfilled those companies. now you have written before that the focus of the, of the mini or the emphasis of that meeting shifted from,

let's say security is just something formal, concrete, something that is off and you know, immediate interest to, to, to those nations. um, but i think the, the biggest one of the both restaurant is almost in china have is the, the united states would use those projects to, you know, invest a little bit in those nations and them use them both as a tool and as a platform for a big power arrival every do you think there's any appetite among those nations to be played like this to, you know, following the ukranian foot steps. i don't think so because of the way order and the speed that rush the united states uh follows aid comes through it in gauge when we defend pollution countries, they speed has been very slow. most of the projects that has been uh, initiated under new with, uh, uh, with the, with united states of supports. those have been delayed, delayed for

a very long time. on the contrary, we see what chinese are doing wordpress site is doing that can more prompt and they have some uh, staging benefits for the subdivision going to so they know that until unless that is uh, you know, the, the implementation of the projects we support for i signed up for the us and the best. uh until then i think uh there are uh create uh interest in united this dental invest in the policy. it's not going to be that big. now i don't know if you would agree with that, but i think both russian to some extent china have become somewhat more assertive in their foreign policy, but also at the same time want accommodating towards the neighbor. so they are far more careful about the, you know, the diplomatic language that they use about how they're going to go. medicals can

be interpreted. they're trying to show respect to go out of their way to show public respect. have you noticed a similar change in the american side because for the americans? traditionally, you know, the demonstrative aspect of the policy is usually very important and then they tend to be arrogant. the times have they change the ways in order to pour this middle or smaller nations depends on what exactly the us wants from the information. we need to understand their main object to time that i think time to time it has changed. so there mean or get to uh, when it comes to that anymore, i'm going to send alicia directly just to counter russia. and i think this innovation countries are very, very aware of the fact. and they've tried to use that uh, notion for their own benefit. they're trying to, uh,

be good relations with the vets or with the united states to get some investment there being a good trader is because, uh, traditionally they have very good treating physicians. it's a lot of many bizarre as many trading ways and, you know, those people here to pursue the, you know, and not so much i do all 100, but that own benefit i, they use it. the reason for such as a bad thing about this is my of the vision. i think i have what i have seen, that they are trying to utilize this a situation for their own benefit. and i think it is also proven to be a little a positive do for them, because now the vision is more, uh, you know, uh, uh, it is a working uh to beta as 5 sent relation going to the them for the single entity. okay, well dr. go cover, you have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just

a few moments. agent the, there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case of the med, most of the people i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also absurd. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington. as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to help me living on that. we have very close propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask a better. the answer is will be

the welcome back to rains of parts with transcript associates fellow at the canada international foundation in your daily doctor goes to i. i asked you primarily about the united states from the western side, but there was a, i mean, that was historically, there has always been another influential western player. i'm talking about, great britain here. does it play and your role in their original affairs these days? because uh that implants tends to be historically it's based on to, to be less visible, but sometimes from one of the malicious, at least as far as the brochure is concerned. i think even the great britain or the british india, they didn't have any direct interest in centralization and their main intention was to and then uh, russia. i went to saw that the russian expansion coming nearer to a gun border. they literally what it. so they didn't care much about the data

environment with the st. alicia. however, the main intention was to, uh, you know, on best russian expansion. how do you understand this? uh, sort of for historical rigidity because i think russia has made efforts to manage ties, not only with the west, a large, but specifically story with great britain. i think by the way, put his 1st visit as a like back in 2000 was to great britain because he wanted to bury these historical hatch within the for some reason. while you describe how adaptive central asian countries have been to the changing to a political landscape, the, his still a, to towards the restaurant, the west seems to be very stable. why? i think it is because of the defense of ideologies. the, the problem with the vest is, uh like, uh, what they, what they see should be in the integrated by the other. that is the, somebody already complex that the best, the best i'm going to have for a very,

very long thing. and they are all they, they're also not able to absolve the other countries and watching as great both. they cannot make the lead politically or culturally as well. and i think with the russia this has been uh like even after so many are focused on the left hand side. they haven't been able to come in to tell me for the session. i don't live because i think like india that actually is also see what additional state and vis, vis the concept of civilization, is even worse than if they have a problem with the china as well. but they find ways to, you know, find some negotiates and process the china and they're not able to have that suspend. and he wants to be china because the, some of the dependent on change. but that's not gave with the, with the russian. now you mentioned india as,

as realization state and india has its own interest in, in the region. i have read you writing and one of the articles that you believe that there is a sort of a senior genetic uh, overlap in, in, in cultural uh, similarity between india and, and the region. what exactly do you mean? what are some of their cultural overlays there? in then simulations uh, natural bought us for a very, very long time. like, uh, uh, can i just got an evidence of such as that they indefinitely see relation which is almost 5500 to a folder. they had contacts with the accessibility, religious and the we have found the uh, evidence of from both sites via phone uh, the of the fairly uh, objects in, in the us. let me see what i just don't see him loudly. we have phone, the end of objects in office. let me see what i use and the has been lack of

a focus on college. the research in when it comes to will send alicia back. at the same time, you mentioned that the and the full potential alpha, you know, it can all make or even a cultural, political ties between this region and your culture has not been fully realized. what is standing in the way? so the historical cultural linkage is that we have with the region and that continued, it was continuous process until 1947 when the india was uh, 5 percent, then this done became an independent country. so connectivity became a mutual hard and i think we have been trying a lot to, to get the data next to the central asian countries. and because the good really that we have in uh send delays. yeah. it makes, it gives us a very favorable position in the region. yes. but at the same time,

there are many other partners involved to the main of which is of course china with which india has sometimes a somewhat 10 years relationship. so how do thing is indian approach is different from that of china, specifically in this region, i would engage meant with defend delays. she cannot be seen with the prism of what other countries are doing. reading the work. yeah, you do not exist in an isolated the environment. i mean it, everything affects every one affects everyone. so, but see this is the defense like the other countries where they dis, especially china, it has some sort of em fee pretensions. when, when it comes to india, i think is going to defend delays and countries on the content in the i think it will send. alicia does not have any political agenda via and that sort of partners and we want to reconnect with that region. then i think would be the major challenge. we have been trying

a lot to to get to then back to the country. we haven't unless we invested in any info job a higher and we have been promoting the internet and also don't forget it all. and i think within uh, within the last in logic it we have seen on a port tragic check. i did 3 in india and alicia relation. we didn't have any platform for the biological and my director discussion and debate. but in 4 or 5 years, we have seen v. india has dialogue and discussion with this installation guarantees on multiple levels. v started or v mission. it'd be, uh somebody with this installation country. it's before china. we did it in 2022. they didn't do until 2023 at the, even when 2022 when we announced that we'll have somebody with this innovation

leader just before that 4 or 5 days before that china had one custom of the somebody with this information. so it shows that they have some apprehensions with the india and why, because we have so much good will in the region and we seem very positive and that, but that was the region really ones is not as good the world they want from investments. does india have enough to offer in, in, in a practical sense? i think yes, uh, this is a, uh, uh, 80 of and we have a little uh problem. we haven't really been able to utilize our flu attention. and i think when it comes to india as a investment ends and alicia data, a lot of a misconception in, in, in indian business entities level of in this i would say because of the, our relationship have been very slowly uh,

evolving. so the reason has been under already uh, like mis conceptual uh, film. well, the business entities, what not very short about having some potential investment potential in defense relation going to what we have seen a now that they have know very well uh, interest in buy this installation of business entities and for the for that the government is also taking a lot of interest here, do we have in this installation, we're just going to say that we have a business going sale on by a by the quarter. they seem to be able to make is done with the contract that's done. so we have been trying to improve our image as a, as a cannot make partner of this installation can do that. and i think that i've some fun to do uh, indication and i hope there will be more than more investment from india to send them isn't going to do that in future. there is also, uh, one more a trans continental access and dies between moscow and new delhi and setting a central the asian countries would benefit from more trade, especially

a logistical projects between the, our big nations. but i think there is an opinion here in russia that it would perhaps require a little bit more political well on the indian side to um, you know, sort of be a little bit more open about uh, it's uh, uh, cooperation with russia of this very difficult your political moment, do you think and do you see it's coming from the indian side or in the see if this to risk perhaps at this point of time. so all our going to do with the nature to with that it is and also transport quite a large output. so 8 on. so for the transit of country and the, the problem that data and has the best it has been hindering. uh, some developments on those uh, projects though, the travel add port was on like exempted from the uh, less than sentence,

but the business uh, or the investment or business uh entities. they have a lot of confusion, and then you'd like to losing job a headboard, and they will also uh, why do you feel like we have one? they are going to admin it on the level of job i bought and we wanted to have a long i'm going back to make more investment in developing job i bought. and i, i think now we have of already signed a 10 year agreement to eat on the level of trouble i born. and that is a very good news and it will do both to in a job. and once this job, i had to be utilized to its full potential. i seen this will also be able to understand your touch upon the very interesting and potentially very risk. yeah, i've seen that as the interconnection between the politics and economy because uh there have been a lot of discussion about the energy security about diverse,

the vacation of supply routes, uh, from central asia. and uh for example, of building uh additional uh, pipelines for transporting is its hydrocarbons. but do you think a given, for example of what happened with the north stream given the political a risks associated with the energy projects? do you think there is an appetite for um, lets say building a new pipeline to bring the energy sources to your let's take the case of torque when it's done. it has huge. uh, gas it, it of, and i think it is one of the most uh, 90 percent of the wind gusts, laws to china and to clean the clinic. don dependents on the stein is. 7 news is too much and they have been trying to day, we'll see if i uh their export. but they do not have any option,

as they uh proposed that tons of gas being uh biplane, than they would have been one under fee biplane to connect with the division. so then the 10 uh time for the gas plaza vision to you. there has been a lot of, uh, promotion on well, there's been a lot of talk, talk about it and they will also a lot of support from the united states. but ultimately that project is ling novia . so that they've done reality. so they have to be, they're trying to diversify their exports. but because there are some structural issues and lack of a financial difficulties, they haven't been able to easily uh, ultimately wait to risk. i mean, given what happened to, you know, and now that pipeline, the gas pipeline, bringing gas to europe. if uh, something like this could be eliminated and, you know, on a political per text or for on known political reasons. and don't you're seeing that there is there,

there are additional political risk associated with energy projects like this at this point. i think yes. and this the lake, but offended it is about to best interest. if they want to have a send delays, she has an o g. then i think the, this is a little depleted and the peak on the central deck in those projects would be. so if i fuss the, you will have those projects that normally you'll be able to transport uh, gas or on. but if you only uh, talk about of having a uh, energy this whole se, then export thing important and on. but on, on the ground you have to think they, i guess the point of my question is that in, in the past there was a lot of talk about the reliability of the supplier of energy sources. but what about the route? reliability of the buyer, don't you think that is also an issue in design is because with china, for example,

if china investing in your energy sources, you may like if you may know like it, but the real trust that they, they and they will, you know, make sure that these projects exist, whereas with the west, can you be just as sure that the, you know, the deal is a deal? i think i fully agree to your point. there is no answer to that. yes. when it comes to reliability and the geographical proximity that definitely agent has with the rest. obviously there is a fence of, uh, uh, fee. but the, this particular involved with the, this project with a, uh, a lot of on not n is the west and they live well in this sense or not. because when it comes to west, they have their own preconditioned. they have their own vale of thinking. so i don't think that it comes to, especially in case of send delays. yeah. and that's sporting their resources to that each of especially, and i do for,

for the under liability if shortly. a question that they need to us. well enough to go there. we have to leave it there. thank you very much for your time. thank you so much. and thank you for watching hope to sir,

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