the, the hello and welcome to prospect bullhorn john peter lavelle. here we just got some real news. the attempted assassination of donald trump tells us all we need to know about the extreme tensions that make up american politics. sadly, america has a long and deadly history of political violence. the country's political culture is simply toxic. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess your to send me while we in budapest, he's a pod counselor where the goggle, which be found on youtube and locals. at americas we have martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that girls. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated. right, let's start out with george in budapest as usual. george,

we called this one. we had been saying for a very long time because of the, um, the perceived um, extremes of american politics that something like an attempted fascination could happen. well, it is already happened. so what does this tell you in a, how does this change the dynamics if at all, go ahead george. so when it says of the election, i think the dynamics. so we've, we simply don't know, does he have how that's going to affect the outcome? but this was entirely predictable because of the movie, theater, years and years of, of an upside. oh, harold, hysterical coverage of trump bodies. i mean, the median contributed to this episode of the ridiculously staring. but of course politicians. and chiefly president, by the who has repeatedly is declared that this doesn't exist central matter,

but the united states that, you know, trump poses that makes essential for it to be nice if he has been saying this since 2019. and that's remember even before that the trunk was a q is essentially by much of the media. and again, much of the democratic party, all having been an agent of the kremlin. nonetheless, it was a traitor. and it goes, when you go somebody afraid so that when you say that that person is literally add all hip left. well, what happens is the, these amazing thing that it's, they give them this long. so something like this to happen. and what, what is really disgusting is all these politicians mancy below. oh, so you chuck schumer, i can you geoffrey by and so now say, well, we wish trump very speedy recovery. political violence has no place. and now this goes, well, you're golden. i don't feel well if he is out of hipaa, why would you be wishing him speed you recover it? so obviously you were lying and you would just been basically pulling the american

people by golding of ablest oh, this was exactly what you were hoping. what happened, the son, you know, young a young man up active as of as asked and was of the 20 years old. when say i go to save the world from idle hipaa. so you know this, we did it quite a discussing. the box is now going on. you know, mark me a, you've already seen the picture, which i wrote that send it to you it's icon make. it certainly is iconic. it's probably been seen by over a 1000000000 people already around the world. and it's like into like the flag on you will jima, i mean, or to some of the civil rights movement images we have as any other assassinations . but the way i read that, that picture is that the way his supporters, i mean, they feel his literal pain. they feel who did the persecution, this ridiculous law fair against them. there's probably a, a 1000000 good reasons to dislike donald trump. but the,

this persecution of him infuriates people and people that maybe not have a very strong political attitude. they literally feel this man's pain. i think so. yeah, and i think of that and they will be beyond the political camp and they will be a number of the swing swing voters are undecided versus from the other side as well . who now i've seen the, which one, they've seen the court cases and they don't believe that they don't believe what they're saying. they know that there's risk which ended up behind all of some judges. absolutely. right. because they stimulus be a wit top against from i think it was this the fucking p m, who just treated just a few minutes ago. he said something along the lines of, you know, it was an image for single day. so when you put the guy down so much, that the member of the public was going to do the job and stuff up, some ok and then take the short, i'm paraphrasing, didn't say exactly like that, but you get to point to not, not you have to ask yourself, i'm 6 here, i see that this, but these events, i mean, you know, i don't want to be a kid is a, be a conspiracy theorist. but no one has to one the with the,

with the which on the i mentioned before with the, with the amount of the cases that have been brought against from the up to wonder whether the deep state also perhaps arranges for the security of these events to be so poor because it's only a question of time sooner or later before it comes to like america with some crack poll brings along a $100.00 rifle and, and takes a few shots of a discount. i mean, i think it was an image for that. it, we should be so shocked by it, especially when you look at the video footage, which came online just minutes late to of 3 security late to use f b. i ladies with the very started shut classes who were just running around the heads of chickens. i mean, it was literally pepsi for watching these 3 ladies. one couldn't hosts or a weapon and properly another ones was more concerned about putting a sunglasses on correctly to look cool. in the behind them was the smoke close to them, you know, taking something away and it was just a few letters to be honest. so you're going to also sort of questions. but i think the broad question, the bigger question is we have lives in these thomas before that some phenomena is

entirely new ground is i just on the president of i think the bigger question is, is this a small taste of things companies and some typically ice book, you know, we, we all been bracing us of wondering when we're not so confident we're, we're pretty confident that trump was gonna win the will, the country will america, i'm tentacles of all the power within it. allow him to win. you know, you're off on november, the 5th, you know, we're going to see thousands of people take to the streets with the $100.00 rifles or worse. well, but i think martin, i think it's pretty fair to say, i'll throw it to george right now. whatever the outcome half the country is not going to agree with it. that's where we are. george. no, that's. that's exactly right. that'd be the other half of the country will not agree with this. and even, even if he is alexis possible, he will, he be inaugurated george. will it be another piece like that? that's right. and i mean, we'd already know. and this, of course is adding to the hysteria that if the democrats do capture the house,

they will not certified the result. this is something that they've already said they will not certify the result as though it's entirely dependent on the republicans taking the house. we're trying to be installed as president, and, you know, even if he is still the president, we're going to get full years of this and really lives with the, you know, there's a lot of training now in recent years of assassination of, i mean russell. it was only weeks ago we were talking about this estimation of time, phone robust fits so um, you know, the, we had the, uh, the assassination attempts at the, the, the congressional bowl game that was in 2017. we had them fascination of the time from them, the supreme court justices kind of on the so they were in was these events are good. the direct result of the if you scenario that is being uh, went up by that besides the democrats and their uh,

media allies. and uh and so therefore, if the truck does become president, that isn't going to stop. so, so like this is this, the, they, they've determined that this is all my business existence. losers exist, enjoyed the deep. so repeating this somehow, america kind of survive. donald trump, remember that a horrible purse of mr. victor newland. uh victor, victoria, mr. victoria newland, robert kagan. wrote in an all pad in the washington post and we talked about this. it was about 5 to 6 months ago, which was pretty much cooling for this explanation of trump. you just said this man is such as exist, central threats, we can't stop him. this is like, this is, julia sees, you know, this is the only way the way we go, we're going to deal with him is the way they deal with june and caesar. so this is, he doesn't affect the business how, what the, how the political establishment is thinking. and indeed as mafia said, there are serious reasons or as questions about the security elapses there. i mean, yes, inexplicable, absolutely no real questions?

well i, it's, it's really quite remarkable. martin is that we, this is a, i'm glad you brought up the flow of our prime minister. i mean, this is what we see all across the western world. everything is ex, essential, and everything is ex, essential than anything. and everything is permitted because it's, you know, it's to be or not to be, this is a, you know, it, you know, it's obviously very reminiscent of a civil war and in the united states. but this is a civil war that's being played out across the west as well. yeah, but it is like stuff. so, and unfortunately what i've witnessed in, in my career and the last of the use of john and it says how western countries have become more and more the piece with systems will become simplified binary. they become binary. and they become, you know, very much a simplified black and whites and choices for people. and i think that has been accelerated by the advent of social media and also martin,

don't you think what doing lyft thinking about the elections in france and then the u. k. and then the european parliament just, you can win a lot of votes, but you don't get to live a seed. so i mean, it's becoming more and more obvious that the system is rig system is right. i mean that the to the west of democracy, the less than democracy and it's models, plural. i'm not working, it's not functioning anymore. you know? so you're getting the vote. so the bottom, the books, the people know that the vote is very much the token part of the whole thing. you know, that, that needs to be something else to hold politicians accountable. and um, so you know, uh, especially some attempts that public valleys in america, it's certainly something to surprise us. assassination attempts to western leaders like just to back in pm. perhaps this is going to be something that we're going to see more regulate grandmother in the press because, you know, as i say i, i think the confidence to just waiting now, you know, we were looking for an alternative level and the present one, you know, just just don't seem to what we're looking at nature for example,

it's just celebrate his birthday, you know, some pundits of lock use. well, the basis of may so 75 years ago, it was a particular name on, i mean, the idea that the soviets had this ministry threat against us, i'm going to wipe us out the same argument, same, essentially some going to say absolute unqualified, unmerited uninstalled. the absolute explanations which were supposed to swallow whether the well, i mean, in, in never. and then given a democratic testing or, you know, george is really interesting is the way when we look at these elections, but your participation legitimize is the outcome, but not your decision. you see what i'm saying is that the, no, it's the we have a, we have a vibrant but when democracy because people vote but it doesn't. that doesn't deal with the outcome of the vote. george know that that's right. i mean that, and that's why there is this gunston manny attempt to get everyone to vote to tell you. oh, really, really? what did you vote? you must spoken though this your duty as a citizen to vote. and then i think was a little why what,

what difference is going to make and why we getting lead is that we don't want to, you know, to attend. that is, that we don't want, if it was level, the problem with this or the lesson democratic model is that it's just based on a long, prentice, which is we have to keep out the other guy. the other guy is an existing show threat that that's all sir. we don't, we don't actually and promise you anything. we don't have a positive program. we don't, we don't, we have no idea how to improve your life. but that person, that person is literally hitler, and we have to do whatever we can in order to keep them out of us. and this is what we're doing. this is what is it, whether it's united states, whether it's crossed. oh, it is in germany and i get very soon, it will be the case in the u. k. where you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, literally, hipaa will be natural garage or we have to keep them out. otherwise democracy will come to an end. yeah. everything when, when everything becomes uh, its a stenciled and everything is legitimate today, everything is on the table except for in recognition of the democratic process. gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're gonna go to

a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real need to stay with our team, the for them main project do when it comes to getting more than defend to the issue. that a just to counter rush. and i think these installation countries are very, very aware of the fact and they tried to use that uh, notion for the on the they are probably her mother's us to store because the model grew. i got you, no problem seeing it all out of the know nothing 30 minutes us out in the drive i showed my brother through he was trying to sell people for a lo so now i never looked at searches as being the same. well,

i guess i lost my list. that's the outcome of chicago. police. it'd be gang chicago is like, you'd be a photo that police. you really think your life is over as another crime? say another i could have been a doctor. a nurse could have been the next president. we can't keep losing people out here. the welcome back, across the boulevards, on people about the land you were discussing some real news. okay, let's go back to george and in budapest here, i mean what this is sending a very dangerous signal, because as of all we in looking at the trumps opponents. they're there, they're crocodile tears means it's pretty hard to believe. i mean, we went through this whole debate fiasco,

and we all were told that he knew joe biden is just the jim dandy, you know, sharp is attack and all of that. and then we see what happened and then they do a flip. and now there's pretending that they never demonized donald trump. there are plenty of reasons to dislike donald. trump don't get me wrong. but you know, to turn around now and say don't, we don't want anything a, any, we don't have any ill feelings we do. we don't have any hope for a disaster to, to come across him, but that's what true. it's all likes. very good. exactly. it was all lies. and it was done precisely in order to whip up. this is there any you call just as i say? well, you know, this isn't really what we meant. we, we're in the business of civil discourse. i think obama issues over what we need. we need simple disclose. they're all we don't and there's no, no, no wrong. so violence. how does the civil disclose? and we will remember that to the defense, that solemn events with the red lights, but the by the, i call it the most. so any moment, you know,

see leaning over the which it was a, you know, and the, during the stripe was not just one pro from child support which is and then being on enrollment soon the beginning of a biden's term. he was talking about this, they existential thread. peruse by all sorts of, you know, characters that we, we could go the all the, you know, the, the ad cfax is the white supremacists, the white nationalist of the mag to follow is. that is now they've been playing this the political game really, you know, for years and years. and of course, something like this is going to happen. and now this the toner road where we wish him a speedy recovery advocate this. what's, what do the mileage you decide is out all hibler and he's going is in democracy, but he's agenda is to end democracy. now you wish it was media regarding why would you wish him a speedy recovery? he's only going to end democracy in 42. yeah, martin, the the, the way the rhetoric is been played out and it's almost getting close to 10 years

now when you think about it. okay. almost 10 years is that there is no middle ground. there is no compromise. everything is a pure a t test. okay? you can't run a democratic society like that for very long it's, it's nissan. and i think the, the, the situation that we're not in america. well, we have a choice of these 22 liters who are both quite controversial and quite polemic for different reasons. i think the system is quite limited in the system. it may will be the, this particular election will spark are completely new process and the new process of dialogue from people right across this whole section of society to ask you to and can we do something about the system? can we create a system which is more on more liberal, i would put something which it would set as a certain more flexibility. in addition, for example, you know, we, we've seen the emergence of kids to get

a stomach who has basically taken control of the country with the lowest election to announce ever. so people are starting to ask questions. you know, is it time for by some type of proportional representation of voting system? i think i'm probably the america is unlike person. you don't have that protest. foot accountants are in the middle. if you don't have a policy called the liberals, you know, it's either one thing or the other. i mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this is really now more than ever. we're beginning to see how the system is sustaining people. and you're quite right to say that, you know, it's very hard to imagine how coming into power with at least half of the country now obviously is the time into the world come in. and so my point, my point is somebody has to change, and i think this is probably the breaking point. yeah, i mean it's because george, you mean elections in becoming less meaningful. i mean, you just, as you pointed out, you know, what, you know, things everybody has to vote, you know, we're a voter turnout. you know, this legitimize the election,

but it doesn't happen that way. i mean, it's still, it's for bowden to say in western media, but i mean, there are tens of millions of americans that don't believe the 2020 outcome. they believe the trump one in 2016. the one in 2020. and he's good. one went in 2020 thoughts except for they won't let him. they can just so you can define that yourself. go ahead george. yes, that's, that's. that's right. and that's exactly how people will see it. and really, you know, this, this, this estimation of the time comes authorized the series of events. remember, you know, they try to take him off the ballot, but it is a color unheard of. do that, that think somebody off of the ballot where you don't have a right to vote for this person. imagine that, i mean the hosp, the country regard saying has the legitimate president then you said, well, no, no we, we, we made a decision. you know, the right to vote, so i've never known as you know, and attorney general in new york state decide that i'm just gonna bankruptcy. i'm

just gonna take away the will of his money. and i'm going to come up with some convoluted ridiculous legal theory that has never been tried. and i know i'm going to get a sympathetic judge. i was just going to take all his money away and they, and they tried to do it. it's only because they the, the court jumped in and said, well, you know, i'll give it, take it easy with, with, with, with this say this money grab another because we, you know, we have, uh, yeah. was the uh, the in school indictments, any of the system heard of, you know, use as a president. there's never been invited once and now we have full of time for an election. so this is the last 90 process in which you got these political 5 is the absolutely determined to prevent the coming supply of somebody will off the country regards as they're legitimately the well, you know, all the way to the business of in fundamentally unstable situation. i mean, the,

you know, as you may have, or that has to be some kind of a political consensus whereby, you know, you don't believe is accept outcomes and respectfully leader of the organization. now what, what we had did during these last 2 and, you know, 24 hours easily after he bunker said english, the political, the stablish of pretend that's the system. yeah, we all wish him well, a prez. i still to impreza with these families of the, to the, if you to sign at the moment is strictly to solve this thing. but ultimately, if we know we're going to go back with a few weeks, we're going to go back to the uh, the, the truck, hysteria. m a, you know, martin, and so i'm glad the judge brought up these frivolous lothair suits because the in the liberals, they prefer ratings. jerry is, but i think the rest of us would prefer the jury of the electorate let they let the electorate be the jury. now you've already explained to us being the impediments in the u. k. i mean, i'm astounded by me. the outcomes of the french and

u. k. a selection, i mean, just because you will, a lot of roads doesn't mean you get much power. a seal the think come when the case of trump is what's, what's really interesting for me is that this breaks down this sort of from the crumbling of this foundation to what we believe since so long with the foundations of american democratic model. you know what people really believes and that they almost had a religious reverence to it in the forty's and fifty's and now it's crumbling. and it's comforting on both sides. you know, we talk about trump and this estimation of time. it seems to me to invite him to come, don't need to buy some kid to, to shoot bikes and global company. where's the near? nobody's name here now. nobody's doing it seems to be doing it a pretty good self assessment, ational suicide on himself. you know, we were st clinic now in the whole system and the democrats are beginning to panic in a different way. you go now i think 20 congressmen have written to, to, to but i'm saying look, you know, you know, we love you, but give it up. i think also hollywood has been waiting and as well. people at

george clearly read it was very diamond piece of the new york times. i mean, really touching base, my fingers spoke on behalf of a lot of hollywood products. you know, well, you know, i probably probably only i, i really do not have careful for teeth like shepherds go any other say a hollywood is so corrupt and it's money. you know, money corrupts everything. so money coming from hollywood into the political process is just the script. you know, you don't judge what's really, what's really amazing to me. trump, it will be a dictator. he will shut down democracy. you know, refresh my memory. he was president from the dispute goes okay, i didn't shut down the media didn't shut down the trade unions. he didn't, he didn't go after hillary clinton. it made his own deal. jay went after him. meanwhile, this is just say, a narrative may add a folk song. it's not as if we don't know who the guy is. is that, that's the amazing thing. because, you know, we've,

if you look back on the trump is basically the galvan and as a kind of a moderate centrist or a republican. i mean, romney government, raleigh. i mean, yeah, you know, he brought in the tax schedule. every republican president, boy says, tax gods, i mean that's the signature policy of, of republican administrations. and it does have as far on all of say, well, they've promised all kinds of things. he never deliver it. so you know, the, the whole idea always going to withdraw from need. so he's going to withdrawal from syria. he's going to withdraw him from, i've got his phone, didn't do any of those things. and they get over. he gets like, even by the euro, logan, who over say, you know, i, i know founded by the no one here is the final by and please the withdrawal from afghanistan and trump distant. that said, yeah, i'm going to do that. but he, you know, ultimately he didn't go ahead with it. and so if you look back on those, he is just to take away his personality. he was a pretty,

a centrist republican. so the hysteria has absolutely no basis whatever the whole this, like we use a made out of whole low, but the idea that he was pro russia. but he favorite bruton is just so stupid. so with the all this, well, the large was russia gauges back. ok, let's you know, you know, mind it's really interesting. in looking at this campaign, you're obviously there's a microscope scope on joe biden because of his mental acuity issues here. but, you know, you have to give credit where credit is due, trust has been running, and amazingly moderate to campaign was very, is very careful. he's, he's, he, he is, he's, he's is got himself under control. and this is what, and now this, the campaign is completely turned upside down. again, everyone's going to be focusing on. it was your rhetoric, it was your narrative, etc, etc, etc. and not on the policy is go ahead. i don't think i knew why. i think i knew

why trump is that seems to be more so, but um, even even some of the lumps and at times when you would think he would rise to the page and be more sensational. i think it's because he's got the media expos center and they've looked at the types of things evaluated where he's gone wrong in the past. and you know, he's more, he's what is between more media professional now and the way that you can see the way that is. so evidence was it was what is the base with the bite of it? see he then the s plus told him you don't need to weigh and you don't need to throw your arms around and say, oh, these stupid insults. just let the guy bury himself, which is what he did, you know? so i think uh there is, there was a new trump emerging, which is one who listens to his advice as well. and it's so clear the blind doesn't listen to any of his advisors setting up media, you know, and i think that's really going to make a difference. and it may will mean made a critical difference when it comes to the, to the votes and get a but some i, i think we'll have to wait and see. and, you know, i think also um,

but it's got enough problems and the next few weeks. so, um, the democrats are telling me that there was a critical cut off point somewhere in the middle of august, where there will be no option any more to go with vitamin as well. but definitely with the, with the republican convention coming up. but there's going to be plenty for all of us to chew on here gentlemen, that as all the time we have, i want to thank my guest in budapest and in medication. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here, our dc and next time remember, prospect rules, the release of come to the russian states. never see as tight as on one of the most on

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