in the 20th century, it was sooner fashionable among historians and strategists, to stress central asia and central asia or critical position. it was believed that whoever controls this vast region would have the resources and the military power to control the world. does it still apply in this day and age, the sort of do a strategic significance of the region? i think the st alicia still hold of the us started a position in the region. but i think that adolf the grid game has gone. uh these countries are very well aware of their uh, liability, as well as disk trends to now what they are doing, they're trying to use their position to gain more and more from the defend follows, which have the uh intention to uh, expand that influencing central issue now we are talking here about 5 stance cars,

x time care, just on those back us down to jake is done in turkmenistan to reach were once part of the soviet union. and as you mentioned in many of your articles, they have always focused on pursuing a so called multi competitor foreign policy. i mean, they are still doing that regardless of the war in your brain. but given that the distance between those various vectors has increased dramatically. how has that approach changed? there has been a lot of pul paid and since these uh considered test started. so these countries have been in the limelight. it is mostly the best and age and just to get something out of the ventilation country. you know, the, i, i have already mentioned in most, hopefully i think those that they follow that might do it the foreign policy and they're doing it even though they haven't picked the size or i show for what they were uh it is doing and they haven't supported it, they have all the doing the statements about having the post will be filled out in

the lucian to the conflicts and on. but at the same thing, what i know of the simulation countries, cooperation with the russia, has deepened. in contrast to look, the western perception of less than i do have been going on like a she has decreasing influence individual. i don't believe in that. i've seen that fuss staying with a child with his i've signed a that's d. so this uh, cooperation has deepened. uh then uh like, uh, an auction in drawing things and alicia, a decrease in other countries like that that's done when it gets done. when it's done. they have been more vocal about the, you know, uh, expressing their interest when it comes to, uh, may jump out within one thing. but that is what i show. but they're just china with this list. they have one of these countries to focus on what the central leasing countries want more then. well, this country is one from the fantastic now and the at the same time,

they continue building that ties with the west. last here we fitness, the witness, the 1st, the ever central asian leaders summit taking place in new york with us present, joe biden being present. he also wrote about the visit of the french president crohn to the region. so when do you seeing those countries a um looking for in their relationship with the west and what is the west uh hoping to achieve their see, i think the west has been like both swing insulation with us in pollution. countries seem to cut out some so we have to again, since 1991, the airframe, any engine done in the region was to go take care of difficult it's, it's emanating from the us. i'm going to spend space you. but the scenario has to, at least you know, now this intuition, countries, they don't want to discuss just the, there's no security issues of interest. they want to discuss lena. now do they want

to discuss the dean and do they want to discuss climate change? they want to discuss a trade and economic investment until i live the west understand that they should engage with defend dimensions are due on these lines 30. so security issues and the discussions on that that is not going to like be beneficial for the rest. the, the main agenda of the west is just to confirm uh, contest, russian and chinese engagements and police. and i think that is an ongoing send. them isn't going to the they, they, they understand that the size they are pursuing them or do a different policy. they want to have relations with the restaurant with china and with the rest or you can not come to offend delays. yeah. and just to bash a showing of china, i think, given in sonia times the political or governing culture in central asia was notably in different from the one in, in ukraine. there were far more risk averse. i thing,

do you think the perception of risk of that calculation of risk has changed in any way since i think they are now in a position to take risks and, and the one reason why they, i've know of like trying to take this is because we see up on the do regional integration very mean send them issue. you have seen a lot of uh, c 5 plus one of meetings in the cynthia. so they can do 3 as we have seen a lot of meetings in, in that for me that having a meeting of the us with the jo. many with the shop, with china, with india. that shows that they are trying to showcase themselves as a single entity they, they try and not bringing to domestic and by the 3rd disputes into data, broader vision symbols. now you mentioned this, there are many meetings within this uh, new form or the all 5 c 5, right?

do those meetings actually we to any substantive results because it's one thing to meet with joe biden and discuss whatever. but does these actually materialize in any projects? on the ground, i think yes it is. i will give you an exam um, but from like in the us and delicious. i mean, most of the proposals that have been made in the declaration signed in delhi that discarded the declaration. most of the proposals have been already full feet. they, uh, they were uh proposal to have a joint working group on job a high port. and then we'll join a proposal for joint goods girlfriend have done this, done the meeting of the initial security anyway. this of indians and the reason that is already have been done. so i think this form, it has the quality that the highest level. so most of the commitment made in the uh,

us us, i mean, it is uh, being a taken care of. and i think that has to happen with the uh, us centrally shuffle met also because uh, most of the thing that the most problem is that uh in uh, in that uh, summit us is taking steps though not on a larger scale, but they, they are taking uh, interest to fulfilled those companies. now you have written before that the focus of the, of the mini or the emphasis of that meeting shifted from, let's say security is just something formal, concrete, something that is off and you know, immediate interest intuitive to those nations. um, but i think the biggest one is that both restaurant is almost in china have as the, the united states would use those projects to, you know, invest a little bit in those nations and them use them both as a tool and as a platform for the big power arrival every, do you think there is any appetite among those nations to be played like this to, you know, following the ukranian foot steps. i don't think so because of the way

order at the speed that rush the united states of follows they'd comes to it engaged when with the installation of countries they speed have been very slow. most of the projects that has been uh, initiated on the go with, uh uh, with the, with united states of supports. those have been delayed, delayed for a very long time. on the contrary, we see what chinese are doing. wordpress site is doing that and more prompt, and they have some uh, staging benefits for the installation going to. so they know that until unless that is uh, you know, be the implementation of our projects. we support over, i signed up for the us and the best. uh until then i think uh data uh create uh interest in united this dental invest in uh,

policy its not going to be that big now. uh, i don't know if you would agree with that, but i think both russian to some extent china has become somewhat more assertive in their foreign policy, but also at the same time, more accommodating towards the neighbor. so they are far more careful about, you know, the diplomatic language that they use about how they're doing that equals, can be interpreted. they're trying to show respect to go out of their way to show public respect. having noticed, uh, a similar change in the american side because for the americans traditionally, you know, the demonstrative aspect of the policy is usually very important and then they tend to be arrogant. the times have they change the ways in order to pour this middle or smaller nations to thing and depends on what exactly the us wants from send to me.

so we need to understand their main object to find that i think time to time it has changed. so there mean or get to uh, when it comes to that anymore when defend donasia, that the, just to counter russia. and i think these innovation countries are very well aware of the fact, and they've tried to use that uh, notion for their own benefit. they're trying to, uh, be good relations with the vets or with the united states to get some investment there being a good trader is because, uh, traditionally they have very good trading physicians. it's a lot of many bizarre as many trading ways and, you know, those people here to pursue the, you know, and not so much to do all 100, but that own benefit that they use it. the reason for such as and then doing that, this is my of the vision. i think i have what i have seen, that they are trying to utilize this a situation for their own benefit. and i think it is also proven to be a little

a bunch of do for them because now the region is more uh, you know, uh, but it is a working uh to beta as 5 centralization going to the them for the single entity. okay, well the book that we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments to attend the hi acceptance. and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new

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i mean the police historically, there has always been another influential western player. i'm talking about great britain here. so does that play and your role in their original affairs these days? because that influence tends to be historically have to be sent it to be less visible, but sometimes from low but malicious, at least as far as the frustrates concerned. i think even the great britain or the british india, they didn't have an advantage to interesting centralization. their main intention was to and then uh, russia, when saw that russian expansion coming near to a gun border, they were really what it so they didn't care much about uh, data environment. with this international. however, the main intention was to, uh, you know, go to the best russian expansion. how do i understand this uh, sort of for historical rigidity because i think russia has made efforts to monetize

not only with the west as large, but specifically story with great britain. i think about him and put his 1st visit as a like back in 2000 was to great britain because he wanted to bury these historical hatchet them yet for some reason. while you describe how adaptive central asian countries have been to the changing geo political landscape, the, his still a, to towards the russian, the west seems to be very stable. why? i think it is because of the defense of ideologies to the problem with the best is uh like, uh, what they, what they see should be the integrated by the other that of these somebody already complex that less than the rest i'm going to, it has for a very, very long thing and they're all they, they're also not able to absolve the other countries and watching as great both economically, politically, but a culturally as well. and i think with the russia this has been uh,

like even after so many are focused on the russian side. they haven't been able to come in to them for the session. i don't live because i think like india but actually is also see what i use in state and vis. vis, done a concept of stabilization is even worse than if they have a problem with the china as well. to define movies. do you know, find uh, some negotiating process with the china not able to have that suspend. uh, and you must have to be china because this whole month dependent on changing. but that's not gave with the, with the session. now you mentioned in the as, as realization state and india has its own interest in, in the region. i have read to you writing and one of the articles that you believe that there is a sort of a senior, derek, uh, overlap in, in, in cultural uh,

similarity between a, in the and, and the region. what exactly do you mean? what are some of the cultural overlays there in the, in central asia, a natural bought us for a very, very long time. like, uh, uh, can i get the evidence of such is that the indefinitely fee would lie. you sound, which is almost $5500.00 to a folder. they had gone tax with the accessibility, religious and the we have found the uh, evidence of some both sites via phone. uh the office lately, uh, uh, objects in, in the us. let me see what i just don't see him loudly. we have found the end of objects in also slightly related to the has been lack of a focus on college. the will research in when it comes to will send alicia back. at the same time, you mentioned that the, the full potential alpha, you know, it can all make or even a cultural,

political ties between this region and your culture has not been fully realized. what is standing in the way. so the historical cultural linkage is that we have with the region and that continued, it was continuous process until 1947, when the india was uh, 5 percent, then this done became an independent country. so connectivity became a major hard and i think we have been trying a lot to, to get the data and equity simulation countries. and because the goodwill that we have in uh send delays. yeah. it makes it gives us a very favorable position in the region. yes. but at the same time, there are many other partners involved to the main of which is of course china with which india has sometimes a somewhat 10 years relationship. so how do thing is indian approach different from that of china, specifically in this region?

what engagement with defend delays, she cannot be seen with the prism of what other countries are doing. reading the work. yeah, you do not exist in an isolated the environment. i mean it, everything affects everyone affects everyone. so but see this is a defense like the other countries latest, especially china. it has some sort of em fee pretensions when, when it comes to india, i think is when with this intelligent countries on the content in the i think it will send. alicia does not have any political agenda, riana sort of partners, and we want to reconnect with that region. then i think would be the major challenge. we have been trying a lot to, to dig to then back to the country we have, unless we invested in any info job a higher. and we have been promoting the internet and also quarter door. and i think within uh, within the last uh, in laundry. could we have feed on uh,

a port tragic check. i did 3 in india and alicia relation the of the didn't have any platform for the bilingual and my director discussion and debate. but in 4 or 5 years we have seen v. india has dialogue and discussion with this installation. countries on multiple levels. we started or the initiated the summit with this installation frontier before china. we did it in 2022. they didn't do until 2023 and the even uh when 2022, when we announced that we'll have somebody with this innovation leader just before that 4 or 5 days before that china had one custom of the somebody with this information. so it showed that they have some pretty intense with the india and why? because we have so much goodwill in the region and we seem very positive and that,

but that was the reason really once is not as good will they want from investments . does india have enough uh to offer in, in, in a practical sense. i think yes, uh, this is a, uh, uh, area where we have a little uh, problem. we haven't really been able to utilize our for attention. and i think when it comes to india as a investment ends and alicia that a lot of a misconception in, in, in indian business entities level of in this i would say because of the, our relationship had been very slowly uh, evolving. so the reason has been under already uh, like mis conceptual uh, film. well, the business entities, what not very short about having some potential investment potential and defend collision going to. but we have seen a now that they have no very well uh,

entity in buy this installation of business entities. and for the, for that the government is also taking a lot of interest here. do we have in this installation of just calling see what we have. uh, we're just going sale on by uh by looking at the base easily though to make his time because i've just done so we have been trying to improve our image as a, as a nomic partner of defend deletion. gonna do that, and i think that i have some fun to do uh, indignation. and i hope there will be more than more investment from india to send them isn't going to do that in future. there is also a one more a trans continental access, and that is between moscow and new delhi. and certainly essentially the asian countries would benefit from more trade, especially a logistical projects between the, our big nations. but i think there is an opinion here in russia that it would perhaps require a little bit more political well on the indian side to um, you know, sort of be a little bit more open about uh, it's uh, uh,

cooperation with russia of this very difficult your political moment, do you think and do you see it coming from the indian side or in the see if this to risk perhaps at this point of time. so all our going to do with the need to do with that. it is and also transport quite a large output. so eat on. so for the transit of country and the, the problems that data and has with the best it has been hindering. uh, some developments on those uh, projects, though, the travel had port was on the lake exempted from the list and sanctions, but the business uh or the investment or the business uh entities. they have a lot of confusion that he'd like to using to have a headboard and they will also uh, why do you feel like we have one? they are going to admin 8 on the level of job i bought and we wanted to have

a long i'm going to have to make more investment in developing siobhan for a night. i think now we have was already signed a danny of agreement to eat on the deluxe i was born and that is a very good news and i did it with you both to the job. and once this job, a higher will be utilized to its full potential. i think this will also be able to understand your touch upon the very interesting and potentially very risk. yeah. seeing that is the interconnection between the politics and economy, because uh there have been a lot of discussion about energy security, about diversification of supply routes uh, from central asia. and uh for example, building uh additional uh, pipelines for transporting is it's hydrocarbons. but do you think a given,

for example, of what happened with the north stream given the political a risks associated with the energy projects? do you think there is any appetite for um, lets say building a new pipeline to bring the energy sources to your let's take the case of so when it's done it has huge uh, gases of and i think it is one of the most uh, 90 percent of the wind gusts, laws to china, and to clean the renaissance dependence on uh, stein is, uh, the news is too much and they have been trying to diversify. uh their uh, export. but they do not have any option. they uh, proposed that tons of gas being uh biplane, than they would have been one under fee biplane to connect with the division. so then the 10 a ton for the gas plaza was on to you. there has been

a lot of uh, promotion on well, there's been a lot of talk, talk about it and they will also a lot of support from the united states. but ultimately that project is ling novia . so that they've done the other day. so they have to be, they're trying to diversify their exports. but because there are some the structural issues and lack of the financial difficulties, they haven't been able to isn't uh, ultimately way to risk. i mean, given what happened to, you know, and now that pipeline, the gas pipelines, bringing gas to europe, if uh, something like this could be eliminated and, you know, on a political per text or for on known political reasons. and don't you're seeing that there is, um, there are, there are additional political risk associated with energy products like this at this point. i think yes. and if they're like but offended, it is about the best interest. if they want to have the same delays,

she has of energy. then i think the, this is a little depleted and the peak on the central deck in those projects would be so if i fuss do, you will have those projects then only you will be able to transport uh, gas or on. but if you only uh, talk about of having a, uh, you know, do this or say then export thing important and on. but on, on the ground you have to think they, i guess the point of my question is that in, in the past there was a lot of talk about the reliability of the supplier of energy sources. but what about the route? reliability of the buyer, don't you think that is also an issue in design is progress with china. for example, if china, investor, you and your energy sources, you may like if you may know like it, but the real trust that they, they, they will, you know, make sure that these projects exist. where is where the west can you be? just as sure that the, you know, the deal is

a deal. i think i fully agree to your point. there is no answer to that, this man to come to reliability and the geographical proximity that if an agent has with the rest, obviously there is a fence of uh, uh, fee. but the, this particular involved with the, this project with a, uh, a lot of whatnot. and is the west and they live well in defense or not. because when it comes to west, they have their own preconditioned, they have their own way of thinking. so i don't think that it comes to, especially in case of sample is. yeah. and that's supporting their resources to that each of especially and identification. they under liability if charlie a question that they need to us. well, definitely go there. we have to leave it there. thank you very much for your time. thank you so much. and thank you for watching hope to see you again on walter part the

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