[000:00:00;00] the i'm action or can see, and we'll go back to going underground rule. got a single around the world from the u. a in the past few days is really media has confirmed what going on the grounds and others have said for months is riley forces killed their own on october the 7th. meanwhile, one of the world's pre eminent medical journals, the lines that in the u. k. has often an estimate of more than 186000 killed by the british. you and us weapons pouring onto gaza, you, in special rapids here on the right to food. michael factory has already declared masses riley salvation of children assignment because of

u. k. u. s a u armed israel on the pretext of october, the 7th. joining me from london in the u. k. his former palestinian diplomat. f e stuff. yeah. he was below representative to holland the okay. the vatican, the us and russia. he's being deputy had of the piano delegation in geneva and to the un about to thank you so much for coming on every hour of the sports, it continues. could israel continued to commit genocide without britain where you are the united states, the, your opinion supplying the weapons? as you know often commentators have said that this the yeah was shop this time himself in the foot and it seemed to me that's nothing him seems to have many more than 2 feet down people's up to now he gets, it keeps getting away with it and it's unfortunate because in international relations, the international, when should we should proceed on the emission and when the or a person or separation swim. i personally believe that he's at that, well,

i think the international system. and i believe that he has an interest in probing to disrupt the cottage because his policy couldn't survive or it depends on it. it because he's either info or elizabeth or he's in j because so with respect to charge respect, i've asked that i wasn't asking about that the hour was asking whether the genocide could continue without britain the united states in the european union nations are coming in at yahoo, i know the united states personally, i consider that they are responsible for the self inflicted impotence of the international competing. you know, the u. s. of installation has been, the cost of the shipping isn't, are in the united nations veto. you can get, you end result roll shows as even the over the total loss of concerning the ceasefire. and nothing here has succeeded so far in civil attaching gets ending. they get the u. k. good news might be coming soon because the new government,

the left of the if you days ago is reviewing the british as it should be. the international criminal court, the previous conservative government, the venue sheepishly thought was, these are a, the, i think you're has challenged the international criminal court and says it has no jurisdiction to indict image stuff. nothing. you know, by the way, good news, mister. the thing you know would be interesting because they liked the states at the end of this month to speak in the congress. i said that you would not make a stop over in europe because he really feels that europeans might find the cottage of apprehending him to deliver to him for judgment, added the type, you know, of the internet to your full power to do i 2nd, but just on this britain just you, you mentioned britain, this awakening. ok. okay. you mentioned britain, your optimism about brenton, i mean, fan, there's no one really cares about the international criminal court and you believe they've given the so long for the genocide to continue. sexiest. um, oh, i have met on

a bbc program actually said israel has the right to withhold power and water from palestinian civilians. he's the new prime minister of the country where your in right now is also said the, your flag, you a palestinian flag may encourage attacks on british jews. maybe it shouldn't even be allowed on the streets of london. why do you have this optimism about suitcase tom? o, there's just a point of a cabinet of people funded by his randy. nobody asked it's a very cautious optimism. but does it tell you, sir, i personally believe that we have room to end over with a labor government in london much more than we had with the conservative government for this. not a very high proportion of the labor and peace and eventually pro palestinian historically for the last 2 decades. number 2 of the unions which are really the foundation and the supporters of the neighbor 5 to you all know them

. you. nothing is do you have being quoting for the ceasefire, continuing funding the you a the on while, which is really wants to consider as a terrorist organization can you imagine? so i believe we have needs to pressure to the government, a liberal government, much more than you had means to persuade a conservative government. but this cautious cautious optimism. i'm of the mistake or sorry about that you do realize it does, i guess i'm a kick. jeremy coleman out of the party for being and i do see, might consider, is anyone who talks about zionism, i noticed in a week with just in the past few days, metro of the big facebook silicon valley for him. it said, using the word sign isn't the george of lee is to be banned on facebook and who knows? maybe uh, what is the problem with the p l. o you have this cautious optimism and now you are hated organization across the world. it my friends, i think you should be aware of this. i'm lucky, big fan of said q stiver. but as i told you,

we have friends within the labor party that i close enough to be assets. number 2, i think that he knows how vulnerable he is. because the rest of the strategy in the u. k. no, that's he has sweeping the dormancy environment, but there wasn't a landslide in the election of it. he got 3000000 volts less than what journey coven bought in 2017 by the way. and they all know that the most of the seats where there is a substantial it up and most of them community is that was a bit in the whole thing for the labor of at least 20 percent. so i believe that during the last elections, the palestinian, the add up at the most in community have shown more mature, receive in, in previous evictions. they had more sense 6, i was to order for me to put but these, that the events as part of the is mission or the tissue. and i believe that

that we will be exploring the potential of the concept of multiculturalism, multiculturalism in, sir, is a very important concept in the european edu. now it allows minorities to maintain and reserve their identity and at the same time works to filter that integration identity and integration of no more incompatible. so you wouldn't be heating more of the, at a community. do you pay? for example, we have looked at that in the house of rhodes. every possible minority in the u. k is represented in the house of north except the ada bridge community. and i believe the visual beauty home guys does it say 50? and i believe that the big jump, 5 district accept that the entering the house of lords is easier than entering the house of commons because it's by no means i think labor somewhere has to be, i'm always out the roads. you know, i think that somebody needs,

i think the house of lords needs to be abolished. that was really labor management as well. i'm a gravity. no, no, no, that's the check answer from you. as long as it's exist. the reality is that data breaches communities, the only one i'm gonna be presented and as long as it exists, we should be more of the things that just a few members of that community. i recognize and intervene to the house of lords which is not unimportant in the business for me to consist of. okay, well enough about britain. uh 1st was the 1st level. um. yeah. i think, you know, we have enough food enough fluids. uh, give me what do you think about the fact that um, every time anyone talks about the genocide in gaza or at the state department press briefings, the statesman does say, 12 and smokes personal onto the blink. and we'll say, you know, we can, i desperately about the children of guys whose heads up being sliced off, of course by the thousands with these us weapons and british weapons by they did withdrawal a shipment of

a 2000 pound m k a before bottom shipment to famously used to mass kill civilians in vietnam. why do you think he paused one shipment of 2000 pound bombs used to mass slaughter people in terms of personnel missed to make it look good for the administration responsible for the genocide taking place in front of our eyes. they in and they out as i reduce that by doing it has already paid the price because he was shown to be extremely vulnerable if he maintains his candidacy . because he has drugs, many supporters within the youth, and my not, it is in the u. s. a. and i believe that besides his physical was pres, gbc, and etc, it's his, the execute of sheepish alignment on the is there any preference? even sometimes contrary to the national interest today, you are unaware that the ability in the global south is at its lowest. and that's

because of their position and attitude visa be disruptive and the cotton and see he plays. so i personally believe that it will end up with it by then withdrawing his candidacy and blinking is a successfully i'll stick to is made your color as any way he positioned himself as design is termed the very beginning. and he almost ex, instructions from nothing. yeah, well after each of these visits but doesn't think that the english is now taking place, has turned into a fast and nothing happens. many predicting everybody and everybody can, is it under who is that where the thing? yeah. when, when think the end of this an assisted adults and he goes to congress in defiance, by the way to, by doing and the democratic a distinction. interesting be, historically, isabel was captivating. the pro is raise, you know, be in washington as a bipartisan about this and say, hey,

it was both democrats and republicans, but nothing, you know, for several years now has shown a preference for republicans to win all types of elections and nothing you know about it is waiting for trump to enter the white house again, which would be a disaster for the american society and the american preferences. how can i get any worse than it was? how can i get any was on the trump, then it was under joe biden, and blinking and sullivan? can it get any worse than it is already for the people? regardless, it's really bad, my friends, but i don't think that's the word moves from bad to boot and to back to them it can, it can turn worse and the anyway, if the democrats otherwise, the, they were the river, i'm of the candidate. they still have 4 months, it's may be late, but not too late. and i hope it all democratic contenders. i find is right next to them. and that they have many people who might be likes to but,

but the by about yeah. who, who in the democrats, the whole, who in the democrats does not support the sending of weapons to israel, even the squad has supported sending americans in reference to the play american politics on this program. but the, i personally believe that the set, the voices would be raised on it either the motor diamond is the same as the democrats. i'm not trying to cope with you from that, but it's send it to like a mr. van horton, a very distinguished senator who was not going to be proactive or appropriate. it's didn't you and have more of that name was and they had problems with those with is there's interest 1st the presented in discussions and hearings, the nation or dignity that has been lacking in the debates, or quoting on cap. he told him, you know, to drop the capstone who is another, is the radio fee by $33.00 is the need one day to be the latest. if ever you want

to have even handed the american party to try to know the job. you know, the job, that's why doesn't is really want to become the 51st state. and the answer is that they would have to content themselves then with only to send that there's ways not, they can rely on $95.00. and it says that because of the power of a back end, the financial assistance of a back to many politicians and in the states. anyway, i believe that history is i know the process of the things are moving, things are changing. and one of the factors that have changing is within the i'm open jewish community. you've seen demonstrations in washington and new york where many thousands of drawers were picking boxing up in our name and basket master. i have all the stuff here and best jeffrey sophia, i'll stop you. that will offer me the form a deputy head of the po, delegation geneva ends of you. and after this break

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the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the full republic city and diplomat about savvy sophia, and bassett, or i interrupted to you and you were talking about the infamous is really lobby and how it fails to prevent the jews in the united states demonstrating for palestine as they increasingly due but the policy, the authority, you spend so much of your life representing the yellow around the world in your career. it's of course bankrolled by israel. is it very, increasingly difficult and impossible for the piano for 5 to criticize the united states, given that its cache comes from the us. fire is ro it, i think you're using the word record in a very comfortable position and the question of a mentor. and the co pays though is, is that it is that rubbing the palestinians from their own money, you know,

in the purchase agreement after the us know i cards is road, receives the receives on our behalf of the taxes of our import and export. and they give it back to us and the deducted 3 percent for the administrative road. now with the new government of the midst of nothing here. who with small, rich as finance minister, they have been with the lower bidding, more than 3 quarters of this amount of money. so using the word bank road from your side is a question of a way of addressing the issue of the comfortability is or is trying to stuff ok the palestinian authority. and i believe what they are doing is a general sizing, gaza and the out of doing the policy side in the west bank against the palestinian authority in guns up the strategy from the very beginning has been the following. they want to make guns, a thought to be a little bird, to force the population to lead a young punk,

somebody to my great s way into egypt they had hoped, but the egypt is rocking good. thanks. that's where the or anywhere ends and they want the geography without the demography that has to be in the game. and this reminds us of what happened in the that's about 1948 when we get the israel level to the ground, they know might do the 518 villages. can you imagine that so that the palestinian refugees come up to exercise the right of return to their homes and home towns and the end villages has, as you know about this, this important process of rendering guns the i'm even happy to, but i'm hoping the menu and choose these raiders and i don't see a man or do you use the word a bottom to the migration? what's will not do the about it after they had to investigate it with those 2000 pounds. but they got generously from the americans that the british has, you know,

and best of that kind of a truthful history is banned defacto in the nato, propaganda or media or in any case. so let's just go to the resistance. well as important as it is. and as, as valuable information is that is what about reconciliation? to unify the resistance under the 10s of un security council resolutions like 242. why is it time us and the p l. o. in fact, i have not all made friends again, despite attempts from the united. i remember it's where i'm speaking to you from saudi arabia, russia, china of jerry, i don't know how many countries have tried to put you together. why is it that i really supposed to be the 1st thing in the public opinion is very angry. i guess the 4 digit code is stablish and most of how much and foot there were, but they love, i'm us according to read both of us and the fact that we're not having achieved the contribution. i believe that if not now,

when we are having the bathroom for our existence and our survivor, and it's no more tolerable to tell anybody to tolerate this split that exists and diabetes. we need to open up the piano. so that's how much i had this. lenny joining in the leadership of the piano as i believe that with a national consensus, we should have a government that enjoys the support of all defections. what do we need to? the palestinians is domestic legitimacy and international acceptability and diabetes got for domestically. she didn't receive, we need the agreement with the fact they have, how much and for international acceptability. i think you must need some wisdom in knowing how to be discrete and accept the idea of if the critic government for a year or 2 before we can hold national election. so what are the 2nd? i mean, if someone like you have solid like you who represent, if someone like you who represented the piano around the world,

can say what you just said. what are the sticking points i wasn't in that would be for the tools here or in most go for those tools. i know that country to what you said, i'm honest, is getting more and more popular actually, according to recent polls, they wouldn't mahmoud abbas out clearly, according to the palestinians end of a policy and survey research polling. so what was the sticking point from my boss is a people in the p l o in 5 to to not have a unified resistance. as you've just outlined is the favorable option. it is said to i feel that to be say and the end the objective one has to put the blame on the political establishment and the need to ship the entire need to ship and not on the on without bass. and so that's number one number to said i did leave that popularity is something fluid indications show that for example, how may i spoke with that it does, it has been, yes,

it has written it and it isn't in the west bank, etc. and, but this thing is we'd have is different caution are difficult to go. i know it isn't as a senior, and i'd be more or less than the discussion once. they've guns being silenced through the ceasefire and i believe in rest, united community. i believe that's how much is aware that what we need to achieve is if i just didn't state withdrew them as it's got the the end on both wings of the palestinian $33.00 in the west bank and gaza. i believe that for the has being on saturday through decides to, to, to use, to as being the 1st to discover what is the seating of the possible and the permissible. and for that was much more mature than others in discovering what this desire. but what is possible and what is acceptable, as i believe the chemist. unfortunately they saved with this as though they are a shame of that acceptance of the that see being of the possible. we need

statesmanship and majority and on both sides, but to have him us, we'd be blamed by get it so you have an on. so what this particular point could i was be more would be, ma'am, do you have an answer? what possibly could be the sticking point from fast as side as to a unified resistance? i don't, does that? i think that as certain topics that should be left to us, the others have insights and that we are a society if i typed in 4 hours, the existence answered by the survivor. let's restart the stomach for the discussion. is the corruption, is it correct? but i mean the inside, if you is alive, i don't know what he would think that i'm us and he was a friend of mine, my friend a i understand that we match in him in a world where hamas was so much more populated than the hated 5 to the hated p, a low, all across the west bank. i don't, you know, it was presumably corruption of the piano and the fact that movement that has created this situation said no,

no fund of the underlying principles of how boss. obviously how, how is it come to this? and when will mahmoud abbas resign? my friend, do you see that you have the conditions to day for elections in defense? the in the, the that's what they said that's, that's what they said 2 years ago. look, there are reports that i'm yahoo, nothing, you know, he says he could consider the fact and the p l. o ruling gaza after this once left of, of gaza. i mean proof in what those reports say that and yeah, who would favor a fast run guys? uh uh, no, nothing. yeah. what does not say that one of my friends being very biased and you are invited to have your own prejudices, but i think you are taking too much liberty and expert who is in the times of israel, published these. i know they're all over june of this. no, no, i'm sorry. you're expressing that uh you. i mean, fax, it to your opinion after you print it's not,

i have no opinion. did it just say the times of israel said that the them, yahoo, as i told you, i, if you zoom or probably decided he wants to ex, the better send you an end to do whatever it is. and then he will, he doesn't save the return of the palestinian authority in gaza. and if i really how much support to him, by the way, that's the wisest course of action, very close to the issue was but the and the by the senior initiative, the administrator in tomorrow. the investor, do you know how many videos that would be needed to be built because uh, do you think that the categories add up as the others would be getting money if ever, how much is still in power that i don't know what, as long as that property, as long as it's democratically elected, if i just didn't, you know, told as long as it's a democratically elected government, they, you know, at the moment people are friends with the taliban. there was a shot and i corporation, organization meeting in the style. the reason being it just goes to uh your

skepticism, understand it, but for whatever. yeah. anyway, just to uh, the you, nations recognizing palestine in name only a little bit with rhetoric. i notice whether it be that or i'm talking about the i c c, the use, the 2nd largest, i'm supply to israel. what do you think there's a lot of posing around because they know their population just seeing these images of all sorts of children beheaded babies by the british g. u, and us weapons, that these politicians say will recognize palestine as a state. and on the, under the table pouring in the weapons to kill the children. because of what's going on in europe where you, we have been getting the europeans that it's is, are, the, has reduce the potential enrolled in the middle east. the europeans wanted to be a player they were and out by is or on the to be a payer. and i kept telling the europeans that you, as europe asked,

is an expert in search for the role and, and the individual needs to have a little research for the next to, but yes, up to now, europe has been disappointing. but 700 countries have had to put it to go to odessa of recognizing the state of palestine to the displeasure of mister. nothing. yeah. who? it's a different magic, but the undertaking a new as a journalist, you kind of use as to be taught to be skeptical, re as with the crew, maybe 10. so we need to be optimistic or the whole can, will be nice people and not skepticism and pessimism. and just finding very briefly, given even generation if i list any and survivors will eventually retaliate against those who have armed israel to carry out the genocide. we're seeing on a phones every hour when i hope that diplomacy will

prevail and i hope that the international community would succeed in helping the not good budget. in fact is by pass bypass the scope like ration and the i prefer not to enter on these terms. should we be reached at the, in the future. yes, there is. a lot of anger i keep getting is rate is that we try to play with you winter when are you still want to play with us loser, win or lose, or no society on earth accepts and wants to be the 800 user and menu would have deception complex by saying if i am from them to be the toner boozer to head with the temper and done with the fingers, i am still in favor, so a winter winter. and as a thank you. and that's it for the show of continued condolences to those bereaved by u. k. u s. u of them. genocide will be back with the brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch quite a lot. social media, if it's upsets in your country and how do i channel the tv on mobile?

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