other states questioning their work with them, and after what happened this friday with a hold of madness and panic around the flow balls last roommate on phase due to its digital independence, the maybe the need for more autonomy. it will become a topic of discussion for other nations and to use right now where a group of ideas reserve us sees rodney settlers and families of hostages taken on october 7th, a blocking aid convoys from reasoning. gazda, the group. no, not that south 9 plains, that humanitarian aid is going to have mass. so the blocking drops from entering the enclave at a new poll suggests the most is rodney ease agree that full should not be going in until the hostages come out. and the u. n. says over one, media and guys ends out both expected to face death and starvation by mid july. so we talked with the groups co founder to hear the side of the story and that's coming up next on our team to national. i see you at the top of the

wood. thank you very much for joining us today. we really appreciate thank you. you are the founder and one of the leaders or the organization known as 129 or order 9 that has repeatedly attempted to prevent humanitarian aid. from breaching gossip by blocking the roads, blocking the food trucks. here in each row, many see you as a hero. however, in the west to see you as a criminal, preventing crucial assistance to people in need. you are the 1st woman sanctioned by the us treasury department. and now the you has also impose sanctions on the organization together with 2 other entities, stating that they are quote, responsible for series and systematic human rights abuses against palestinians. what would you say to that? i need kind of the shade the by the way, some of the show start by addressing what you said about us solve non blocking aid

from reaching gaza. and it's really important for me to, to respond to that. essentially the 8th goes into gaza, falls into the hands of from us. it's strength in some us role in the strip, and this is not good for the gods and civilians either. this means that this aid is not humanitarian aid. it is a that strengthens the terrorist strength and some us and therefore it is not good for us or for the civilians. we as a south 9, do not oppose humanitarian aid asia. we want humanitarian aid to enter and reach the civil williams. only the civilians of casa, not the terrorist. and it's really important for me to address and the sanctions because essentially, the sections mean that we are not allowed to protest in the state of israel, son, that's what it means. it means that is real and we cannot protest anymore, simon is really citizen. i haven't done anything wrong according to the law. and still, as a citizen, i cannot hold

a legitimate democratic protest in my own country. this is a very, very severe infringement that shouldn't occur quite in is the president of the united states. he can legislate things and impose them on his citizens. but i am subject to the laws and rules and rights of the state of israel, a free democracy. they would, you said repeatedly, and you just now said that again, but the aide sends to guys uh, goes directly to have mazda is your opinion, this is why you oppose it. no one will argue that partially yes. how mouse ruled. they probably stayed in clay for 15 years before the war started. it controls many things on the ground. it's clear, but what is also clear, and what has been confirmed by numerous international organizations, is that the life of ordinary gaskins, of surviving famine and lack of water and medications deeply depends on this age as well. dozens of guys on children have died from malnutrition. doesn't

mothers are unable to breast feed there that they kids and they see them dying human is there any situation is catastrophic. the age that self 9 is preventing from reaching garza, is that a that these mothers and these children need as a mother of age? what would you say to that? the least to kind of know that we need to look at the facts today. there is twice the amount of goods passing through gauze, as in there was in comparison to before the war, twice the amount. it's an amazing figure. you can't put the difficulties of the population inside gaza on the back of the top 9, because we only delayed the goods from entering. our action was a protest to urge the state of israel or neutral international body to take control of the aid take responsibility. so that the aid reaches the civilians. this means that we under top 9,

did not prevent the aid from reaching the population. the aide is passing in high quantities into gaza. so what you were saying about mountain nutrition and hunger, it's actually falls on the ground. the footage coming out of cause that shows beyond any doubt the situation in gaza, the markets and goes up full with goods, the abundance of merchandise and gaza to the point that food is thrown away as this means that there is no hunger in gaza. and this, there is hunger, it cannot be blamed on is real or on the action, the new top 9. so as if you see, is really army monitoring and controlling the delivery of humanitarian aid to those in need to mothers and children that you will not oppose. that is that what you say menu? i so what seems exactly, we want the a to reach the civilian population because what is happening today? look, i live here in the 2 box very close to, gosh,

i've been living here for 16 years. and all these years come off has been firing rockets. it's me and my children come off fires at us not only during more time. they mean this is something that people around the world don't understand. the reality of rockets is a daily routine for me. my children suffer from p gsp. my children don't go to the bathroom, although they don't close the door when they're in the shower, because they're always afraid. if there's a rocket now and there's an alarm, i need to run. i need someone to look after me. they grow up, always afraid. again, not just in more time, as even in gaza. they don't experience this because they experience this for more. we've been suffering from rockets all the time. as mine is really army has been competing humanitarian in con, voice into gaza. and they have been several incidents when they was shooting and there was a king's and casualties because of that, do you think the army is capable of fulfilling this mission of protecting so many

of hearing aid and making sure it goes right hands, idaho. let's say we need to have control of a that gets bozza from top nines perspective. this can be done either by the ideas or by neutral international organizations. it's important for us to say this is that us maybe even a combined solutions need that we're not the government and we won't tell them what's the best solution. we trust our government and ask it to come up with the best solution they see fit and put blaming the idea for a single incident. that was truly a one time event in a 9 months of war. for one case of mistakenly shooting an innocent person as long as the fresh into the in the end, this happened even between ideas. troops within the idea, there were so many casualties, including hostages, were killed because it's a war. and didn't ward the people we don't want to be killed, get killed. this incident was very, very unfortunate. but again,

such incidents happen. and they've happened to soldiers to my husband's friend who's killed this way by one unit mistakenly firing on another idea. a few minutes of the civilians also get killed this way by mistake. because it's the sad reality of war. to me as a cadet, it should be id, ask us. it's best to fight this war with as few casualties as possible and does more than any army in the world. to achieve that, we see this because some austin's children to locate where the ideas troops are and to harm our soldiers. and the idea of never shoot to the children, lou with meeting these really armies considered to be one of the best in the world . shouldn't that mean that the idea of is capable. busy of defeating him, us without restricting too many tear and supplies come us because that shouldn't be a taylor phillips bi claim, a little control and a moss. their greatest strength is that they don't care about their own population . that's why they hide within the civilian population. and so this is what you made

them come in with them. they hide themselves, their weapons, their ms tiles, right? underwear children study, that's the strength of the mosque. and to defeat them, we have to do everything we can, we need to target them. awesome. and the idea does this in a way that protects the civilian population to the highest degree possible. and that's why the body of to how much does restricted humanitarian aid help? the idea in achieving its military goal of defeating him, us hiding jennings, as our soldiers who went to gaza, saw her mazda as tara tunnels, filled with humanitarian aid. their warehouses stocked with chocolate cans and all the goods that come with the aid, the quarterly, tracy, this with their own eyes become off as terrorist sites. so we need to look at the facts. we need to consider what is happening on the ground and not the narrative. the world wants to tell itself and it's a bit,

look at the facts on the ground. there with you also said that you don't believe that children in guys are dying from malnutrition, although it was confirmed by international organizations. you also said that you don't believe that there is lack of food. and there is risk of famine of feminist product, especially in the north. although again, this is what the wind is alarming about. what do you think is happening on the ground? what, what is the picture that you have of what is going on in gaza right now? and what are your sources the best of the annual i that's when i see i see the full picture here because my husband was in gaza for a month and a half and my friends are fighting there too. and we see the reality as it is, and we also see it on telegrams. there's difficult reality and gaza that's. but ultimately when a soldier sees thursday and hungry people, the ideas are the 1st to get some water in the sea. we see reality as it is,

it is true that the moss and other terrorist organizations published statistics. but i don't think that those numbers should be trusted. because in the end, they're numbers that want to tell a certain story about the reality and goss on to it. the reality in gaza is an unpleasant one. we want the war to end in israel to we want the war to add let's get back to sanctions. as freezing is, i'm on the sanctions. how will it affect the work of your organization based semester? it's for the same field and i know before the sanctions began, we had stopped taking action on the ground to solve 9 is not a legal entity. so the sanctions didn't directly affect us, but we had money collected through donations to operate. this money is essentially frozen in a fund and we can't access it to mean all our movements. social media accounts are blocked call you can find to mos propaganda, an incitement videos on social media, calling for violence and the murder of jews. we who ever released non violent non

offensive videos. and of course, we were blocked on all platforms, youtube, facebook and tape talking, instagram, g. now we were blocked everywhere. even though we never released any offensive or violent content. and after time, can you reveal how much money was, was frozen? approximately $85000.00 us dollars. there were some very few report reveals that is rarely groups blocking guys, humanitarian convoys have raise over $200000.00 through crowd funding signs from us. that is really donors with contributions being tax deductible. where do you find funding? lots of data, it's m a and solve 9 has had support from all segments of this reality society among us and solve 9 their families of hostages, and believed families as well as citizens from all over the country, including those were evacuated from their homes in the south in the north same

shape, even those who didn't directly participate in the actions clearly felt in their hearts, but they were with us. it was clear to them that they supported our call to the government to take the necessary measures to achieve victory and to weaken him off . so those who stayed at home and couldn't join us, often donated money. they were the ones who said, my heart is with you, please continue doing this because it is our ability to live here safely in our country. that is at stake. what about donations from abroad? you're only mentioned is really donors. but it's in a professional combined use, we launched a fundraising campaign and this really is as well as jews from around the world join the campaign. a combined of them to because there was support to our cause. and we received messages from individuals overseas, who we cannot exactly locate the origin of each donation. but the funds raised from private donors are frozen in the j, gave funds,

and were never inaccessible to us. to mean. in fact, it has been locked up illegally. and we cannot access the money to keep the earlier side that the assets of $85000.00 having frozen may i ask you, what is the total amount of money that you have been able to raise in 7 months? said base, i'm a school i'm a school shape need. uh that's the amount the amount that's locked is all the funding. we had a new success team. besides that, we've stopped fundraising because part of the sanctions means i can't even collect donations for my own legal doubt. but this, i want to hire lawyers to help me get through this period to help me resolve this. so that one day i can enter the united states, the senior. i have a husband who's a us citizen and i have children who are us citizens. i need lawyers for that. how i mean, i can't even collect money now, even from people who want to help me. i can't receive any money that would help was

hired as lawyers because according to the presidential act, it says if i'm some kind of criminal, but i'm not allowed to collect donations key, let me push shot me. a source of to me is just to clarify, $85000.00 is, is a total amount. mm hm. and it has been frozen. but you have been using money all these months, right? as limits a, you and we so there were organizations who supported us. there was, for example, an organization that allowed us to use a p r services in advertising a divorce. but for instance, i and others in the organization are simple volunteers. so if people paid for flags or shorts, for things we use during the protests, it was paid from their own pocket because they truly supported us. and other times it was thanks to small donations from individuals is a new for me. but just like i put my own money for my gas, for my car, and for things i use, there was a lot of acts of kindness from people. many people agreed to work and help us with

payment in return for their efforts in a. but some are still waiting for us to be able to pay them from what they did for top 9 o manage escaping me. so as far as i understand you didn't spend a penny from the money that you raised through crowd funding based on the kind of stuff like this of k a and we started collecting money when the activities of the top 9 began to receive significant media attention but there's something more i really want to say. i volunteered all along because i truly saw it in front of my eyes. our hostages to my so desperately wanted to see for you said it's, we want him off to release our hostages and i was ready to volunteer to do everything, to invest my time and effort for this to happen. we truly believe that is how most had an incentive to do so. they would come to the table and make a deal with us. moss is not willing to make any deal to release our hostages. but there's one more thing i can a firm. we are ready and willing to do and sacrifice

a lot for the sake of our country. however, with what i'm going through now, these sanctions against me, it's something i cannot remain silent without. i want my children, my friends, and myself to be able to express our opinions freely in our country status to these sanctions are silencing us and then the legal manner. you said that many times in your interviews and you repeated now that from the moment i found the top 9, these are your words. it was solely to bring hostages home. but as far as i understand you oppose the hostage, still they exchanged still between israel and him. us. so how do you seize, rarely hostages, returning home? what is the way the best way? and then we want our hostages to come home and they can return with the deal. they can come back with the military operation. however they return, we are happy and grateful for it. we and south 9 want the hostages back home by

some of the members of the top 9. they oppose the exchange, they'll well talk certainly met them. it's very important. i don't just refrain from sharing my private opinion for no reason. i'm representing a movement here that encompasses a wide range of opinions. if i, as a leader of this means that express my personal opinion, it can create an uncomfortable and unpleasant space for the people within the movement. there are people who oppose a deal, and there are those who want to deal at any cost. we include everyone and everyone is a part of the move that truly, this is the movement of the people of israel and everyone is a member. so officially, the position of your organization of top 9 is that you support any mean that will help re hostages home, including exchange still between israel and how much money produced by me. now, i simply believe that the starting point, the fact that we are strengthening him off and then expecting him off to come and

accept a good deal for us as a mistake, an approach for us to reach the best possible deal from us needs to wants that deal do think at this point, there is not enough pressure on him us a diplomatic military. political the in the end is here. i am sitting in front of you and you were interviewing me about sanctions. are there sanctions on come off on how most supporters is there pressure on them from the united states? all we hear about is how much of bite and is concerned with sending them a seat. equally concerned with applying pressure on him off to release hostages. is he applying the same amount of pressure on them to stop their terrorist activities? but how mazda is considered a service organization by, by the us navigation as a sun and climate. from the moment israel started fighting him off. so us has repeatedly hindered and interfered with our ability to act and defend ourselves.

and if it is true that a mazda is a terrorist organization, then, so was on the right, it went to then it's time to present them to the world in that light. and stop treating them as this there anything else? there's something here that needs to change. so at least level of my life here in israel, we understand this because we experienced october 7th. we understand this because we saw the atrocities and heard about the baby's bond. and the women raped to death, their bodies, mutilated, put the world. the world prefers to close its eyes and not look at the facts. facebook, i don't know. how many people do you have in south 9? is it like a fish? oh, i can become a member, the image, a cno, a have what we didn't really establish formal membership and solve 9 because it's an open grass roots movement. a people can identify with movements values and participate without registering. and either the same at the, to the court, you can simply take a flag, join the activities,

and become part of the group both of these unless we have around $15000.00 active se, but $59.00, and joyce a much broader support. and more than i, i know, seen that we carried out many actions and receive support from combat and font and gaza. and as just to continue to meet daniel, we receive support from all parts of the nation without requiring each person to formally register and say, i'm a member of top 9. again, i need some elements of to be referred to your organization as extremist and the european castle. now, because of the sanctions, describes of 9 members as violent acts of his would you agree on that going vans here? of course not so, but you can, you can simply look at our activities on the ground and see that there was no violence. every time we arrived, we brought something nice to eat for the security forces. we never harmed anyone in the actions of solve 9 chevrolet. on the contrary. when there was harm caused by other organizations, we were there to say that it was not acceptable to us. is

a peaceful but videos. so in your settlers attacking humanitarian convoys, searching vehicles on fire, i can drivers damages supplies, but so these are not so i'm 9, i've got has been made, a lot of them would have had. so there was indeed one unique violent incidents that occurred after we were no longer on the ground, but you know, throwing away goods, carmen drivers, none of the things you mentioned are related to the activities of south 9 south asia. and i also think that if we really look at how often such occurrences happened, i know only one incident. that one incident where there was violence against drivers. and one incident where a trumpet was born. again, not during solve nines blockade. this happened after we had already announced that we had stopped our activities and asked everyone to go home because it might, it happened several hours later. but truly the,

all the things you described happened only once. this why i ask you about the number of people that so i've known you nice and you said it's thousands and thousands. so it's really hard to control the behavior of all of them. i think it was in the very difficult, so we managed to do it. the fact is, all the actions of solve 9 throughout the journey showed that we succeeded. there were many articles, many interviews and furniture all along the way to prove it. so you can see it actually happening on the ground. we managed to create a non violent, legitimate action, a beautiful family friendly protest. so even when someone to, to bring the boxes of teenagers and everything. we said no, we should solve 9 is a family friendly protest, it's a protest conducted respectfully. and we said many times that our aim was to strengthen the government and we wanted to strengthen our people, not. we could not move violent actions only weaken our position. can we say that

things went out of control? got well and has to be like, got a let me try a little bit of added weight. maybe i should explain for those who don't, let's hear a but typically the convoys passed through different areas of the country. a that, that was this time the convoys passed through areas near different settlements, essentially coming from central israel. i showed him, these were convoys that arrived from various sources, including from fattano, west bank to region, cause only a local people who lived there and who had no connection whatsoever to solve 9 before solve these trucks passing nations. them, it happens regardless to solve nines protest. it's not you can see that even when solve 9 stopped. in fact to these, those people continued and locked the trucks and did many more things. they carried out several other actions afterwards. so because these convoys passed through this area, the people living there arrived and opposed them in this way. the said they didn't start because of the top 9. it wasn't solved 9 actions that caught out of control.

it was actually the trucks that took a different route that brought in different people to block them. do you have an impression that maybe somehow, without one tonight, without willing it opened the box up and dora? i mean, and even if you neither said any movie nay, i, i understand the question too, right? i understand what you're essentially asking and the answer is no. a to mainly this was essentially done under the radar and without the knowledge of the entire nation . assume that house. yes, we brought awareness to this issue and it was important to do so. it was important to raise awareness because it directly affects our lives. when someone in russia reads about these convoys arriving, it doesn't directly impacts them. i live here, and that's involved in the fact that a mazda is still alive, taking and so strong directly affects me a horse, a while it might be true that

a south 9 had not existed at that specific incident might not have happened. but if some 9 had not acted from us, would be much stronger than it is today. it was when you were sanctioned by the you, as you said, quote, i urge our government to do everything to protect me legally. so this, this can be stopped. what are your relations right now with these really a for which is a new law that equates the toyota? i don't know all the developments, but i know and expect more precisely that the ministers in the government do everything they need to help me. because i'm not just asking them to take care of need organization, i'm asking them to ensure that all citizens of the country can live here with freedom offers to the freedom to express themselves. so freedom to protest, to voice their opinions out loud. and therefore, this should be something very, very important for my government that no one can apply this kind of pressure on the citizens of this country. let me the nozzle on friday, we expect the ruling by the international court of justice regarding the legality

to was really presence in the west bank and many say that the court might of us israel to withdraw from what israel calls today in some area. what do you think about that and about this possibility? i mean, what's that? should i'm sure that i want my government to have the independent ability to protect me without for an intervention. we don't need someone else to manage us just like the us has freedom to defend itself. just like russia has the freedom to defend itself. just like every country in the world has the freedom to defend itself. israel also needs that freedom. here is this type of control should be the prerogative and decision of these really government. we're not talking about the countries we're talking about international court because they know me an international law. if someone starts a war against you, you can conquer territory. you can fight them a south 9 was established after october 7th and it involved what's happening in the

gaza strip and in this war what's happening in to day and some are yeah. south 9 doesn't need to express an opinion on that. and as i said, we give our government the support, it needs to do whatever is necessary to ensure that we are safe here. i mean, kind of thank you very much for your time for your thoughts, for your ideas. we really appreciate. thank you. the

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