transparency international, according to government, just those, all the groups that have been very vocal as far as pushing the countries into chaos on the key and civil strife. and as the world's largest internal funding agency, the full foundation has in the past come under the scan, all governments impossible world reports and research also tells us that it has some connections with the c, i a in fact to the c i a considered as a foundation such as the food foundation, the best, and the most plausible kind of funding comes off. also know that it middles in you've gone to the fees funding activities that a day. so countries call to us and the values even. and so that's because the foundation has been the subject of backlash and the left. so we saw, issued by can use for in a phase the principal's secretary is making simple monsey it once the american foundation to, among other things, supply the government of canyon with the details of office frontiers of the last

year. and once it's to state the programs approved, particularly over the last 3 months and the quest for accountability, the government also was the foundation avail. it reported on his compliance with the non loving policy. their conduct fundamentally slouch, ford foundations non lobbying policy, begging the question whether your foundation has a band and this policy, and is now intent on adversely influencing the internal political and policy processes within the republic of kenya. the ford foundation has denied the claims by the canyon government, but considering the fact that to this is now a global issue present interest, waste, and allies might have an important role to play in this respect to. they might have to issue a statement as busy as the all, because of the populace and with the organization now accused by the president of the all expected to use the access to, to, to cool full, some sort of restraint. noting that their own reputations indicated at this point

as well. that's all for me today as it was, is grades i have your company here on, on the international, my colleague mike of what to leave with you the top or the i was why, but the old a very good the the i'm action or time to welcome back to going underground broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. today i see 2 years ago german nazis after a peace treaty and then more declaration for britain began the vocation in mass

mother of quarter of a 1000000 jews from the warsaw ghetto on holocaust trains to treblinka in garza today. if you accept the estimates of the medical journal, the lines of the number of palestinians killed by u. k. u. s. u weapons maybe proportionately like wiping out 5 and a half 1000000, mostly women and children in britain or 27000000. mostly women and children in the usa. millions had been left to starve with nowhere to hide his hospitals, schools and all signs of human civilization are in i, elated by nature weaponry and to google and amazon cloud computing systems. well, this is prison. judging is rarely prime minister benjamin netanyahu propose for wednesdays applause from the u. s. congress, board and paid for by his riley lobbyist. today of the white house, he meets genocide, joe accused even by his own supporters of being demented. all that while presumed next year as president trump has appointed design is ohio, send that to j. d vons as his vice presidential nominee. joining me from jerusalem is better and is ready negotiate to release director of the london based

international communities organization and human rights advocacy group, dr. gosh, on baskin talked about skin. thank you so much for coming on. let's just start with whether you've seen is really, authorities fail so badly as they are now, despite the support of the european union and the united states after israel is a, well, that's become alienated from the whole of the world except those nato countries. and i think this is because the government, the visuals become alienated from large number of is where the citizens, who no longer want this government to hold us no longer like nothing. you always are prime minister. it is a chilling introduction that you gave one this quite a study and it's just mold in reality that we're living here in israel and palestine. and any rational person has to intimate that it seems that israel has no coherent strategy,

a facing the palestinians, facing the aggression that started by from us on october 7th. and nothing else call for the total victory is something which is certainly not achievable through any military means. there has never been a military solution to these running published and in conflict. there still is no military solution to this conflict. there is only a political diplomatic solution and nothing, no has done everything possible since 2009 to avoid any diplomatic political solution to these already posted in conflict. i mean, it's easy to blame a israel occupancy for all of that. i'll get onto the israeli population, but it's not just that yahoo is a, i mean it's blinking sullivan bite and they're the people visiting israel and i'm being that and you know, to the deep, you couldn't be doing any of this without the help of the united states good, rather than just the thing is really little the to from the beginning of the war

a way back 9 and a half months ago the united states could have been the door in the weeks time into it started simply by telling israel that we're not supply you with any bones anymore to drop on gossip. and that would have putting into the war. but in the american administration of the british government and other european countries, other countries around the world have supported israel's 1st of all right. to defend itself. and um, north ones from us, no one wants of us to stay in power and go. so i'm just seeing that because the ultimate opportunity to change the reality on the ground. i don't think that anyone could have imagined the amount of slaughter and the amount of chilly instruction that has taken place over the last 90 and a half months. vibe is really army with american and other weapons. and then this is certainly shown us and that this is not sustainable. this has to end this war that's been going on between israel and the palestinians for more than a 100 years. now this war has to be the last 4. and i'm just on that actually what,

why do you think those europeans as so states and the united states vive and blankets out of why they doing that, then if they don't like then yahoo so they say as well, it's not a matter of not to know i really think it in your introduction you talked about the, the, the holocaust in for is really jews. more jews with children. one place, one time on october 7th. and at any time since the holocaust and your serial was traumatized. not only have the, the incredible number of people killed in their homes, taken out of their beds, taken as hostage into casa a, but we also have the reality. the israel was supposed to be the same thing, is there was a place where we're protecting ourselves where the army protects us and on october 7th, and it wasn't there. and people were lifting their shelters in the hose in the, in the keyboard, susan, communities along it also stood calling for help and no one came to assist them. and be sure that every day this room has not gone to october 8th yet. this real is

still on october 7th. and i think it is, will do a very good job of transmitting that trauma to the united states and to other european countries. primarily that have is what's back in terms of perhaps a sense of guilt. going back to the holocaust, we're nobody's there to predict the jews winters tried to escape and there was no country that would take them. i think there's a sense of guilty or i think that there was a time a moral imperative to help the jewish people establish just same thing for themselves. and that's not the case today in and say, i think we are seeing changes. we're seeing changes in the united states, maybe not the level of the destruction, but i'm gonna charge you for americans today. i think support the cause for palestine have independence and freedom. we're seeing that across europe and civil society all around the world is that israel's becoming eisley and israel's being brought to the international court of justice in the international criminal court. and the space in this world for is really is the cost of our government is going to

get smaller and smaller. uh, yeah, i mean, clearly, uh, the uh, october, the 7th the massacres have changed to a character. i've been on this show. we've talked about it, we had a former justice minister these really government honda to didn't accept what was being said back then gray zone electronic intifada mondo eyes have been talking about what permits is now exposed. it wasn't from us that killed all those people as you say, the worst atrocities into the holocaust in terms of numbers of debts. it was the israeli government. they've killed all those people on october, the 7th a rat's going. so i was just saying that, so really need the evidence really points in that direction. you're one or 2 cases where we know that it has really tiring fire data home where there were hostages being held by from us terrorist. there were a couple of cases, but what did you make of the red? i mean, this is the, is there any media? i mean, in the media or of country?

supposing sending the weapons, we don't get any of that kind of information. but these railey media clearly saying the hannibal doctrine was involved on october the 7th. we think so far the investigation of what happened on october 7th, or prior to october 7th. there is the demand by the people of israel to create a national commission of inquiry heavy by supreme court judge said nothing your refuses to create, but i think that there is no denial that 3000 palestinians across the border from gaza into israel on october 7th, and committed atrocities went through and open the air and use it to dance festival and murder. 340 people burn people in their homes, a large children in front of the apparently some parents in front of joe 3 up at the end of the evidence was there for one of the young girls with which is invited on this show will invite them on for work, so this is really paper i read, i mean your particularly interesting to speak to because of your past as regards negotiation to piece. because i think that is a big mistake to try and cover over the atrocities committed by unless we have the

most cross more a red lines on october 7th, it should never be crossed. just as israel has been crossing more, we learned we need to, we need to see the inquiry that you were calling for the net and the i was not allowing to, but you were involved in a piece deal to really is getting ad should lead. so there are some with us there was a hostage release, the exaggerated between so you would be the idea of, of discrete joe, do you know think that there is some, is riley, it's a we in the, is really staying through. so the number of a palestinian prisoners were released as part of the deal. that should never happen again. and that's why the hannibal directive was used on october the 7th to mass kill. so many is riley jews by the israeli army on by brittany, united. the newness i could, they were isolated cases that we know of that are documented where be is really and pardon me, ended up doing is really is on october 7th, the overwhelming majority of the more than 1200 people were killed on the dates

were killed by the last one, you know, that it's interesting you say that because we know the discredited zach of movements, logistics. we know that the un looked into, for instance, this actual crimes that were of talked about widely in media or in the united states and european union. they would discredited shortly off to view it all the way. so you run reports view and by report issues clearly says there's no evidence for the claims. well yeah, i read the report, it definitely says the prox, here in the specs can be brought in, shown that this is not correct. this is not the heart of the matter, so it's in your thing and i'm not, you know, i'm us, you talked about last people. you're saying that like animals, they were just trying to kill themselves and political violence. and they like animals. i said that they committed atrocities on october. so for the show me the point was to kathy, i'm austin, just for the hostage. the sions that may have been the initial plan and people and from us told me that we sent 1500 of our fighters into israel. on october 7th.

we expected a 1000 of them to be killed by just really our lead. we expected to capture all the bases, antique soldiers as hostages, but they didn't find is where the army, they are protecting the border and they didn't go to army basis. they went to civilian communities. they went to, it's a good saying they went to most of the and they want to stay wrote enough for team . these are towns on the border when they went in the village, them, they killed and they break them. they did a truck, there's no evidence of rain whatsoever. one, no evidence of rape whatsoever, according to the there's a you in lots of them. i mean, i don't want to think about, i don't want to argue about this, and i really don't. you either. it's a temporary sense, it's all. no. okay, you said a moment to go to me to be you want an inquiry. why then? i was really authorities not having an inquiry that would prove your allegation, you know, making these allegations which are so far and substantiate. it's not about october 17, for the and i want let them know implemented a policy since 2009,

that sort of divide the palestinians to create a delivery device, palestinian authority, and the boss of his head, and to empower a we can from us and gaza, in order to say to the world, we have no part for peace, nothing you know, did everything in his power to prevent the 2 state solution from emerging. and this is why i believe there needs to be a commission of inquiry. it's not just about what happened october, october, 7th, and every day since in the last 9 and a half months. but also what happened in the world of years prior when it gets to refuse to negotiate a 2 state solution with palestinians. the 2 state solution there were palestinians, a majority of post and into opportunity to speak solution. but we have the government to israel, which was committed to never allowing an independent public stand to be established . and that's why we need a commission of inquiry, not just to figure out what happened on october 7th. we also need to know why the army wasn't there. why we just really army was defending settlers in the occupied westberg, and they weren't defending israel's borders. how in the last 2 decades,

the israel defense force, the idea became, is where the occupation police force not doing the job for which it was established and which, which we serve in send our children disturbing. but israel's army has the color of protection. foresters where the surplus, i want to know why they weren't on the border on october 7th. when you think about it, if there had been a dozen times and 3, it's hard till the top is in the air on october 7th, early in the morning. october 7th wouldn't have happened. that's all it would have taken to prevent that massive atrocity read on the state of israel that morning. gosh, sort of asking, i'll stop you the more from the middle east director of the international communities organization after this break the hello and welcome to the cross, the full board. here we discussed some real in the

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with veteran is really negotiator, delta gushing baskin started basking. we were talking about the samples we had talking about the, the, you know, monkey evidence about what happened on that day. but as you said, we've seen the, the repeated breaking of

a whole un security council resolutions and who knows what else as regards human rights against the palestinians for, for decades and for years, just remind us of how close you got to a peace deal back in 2012, you actually mentioned the, the backing of from us by nothing. yahoo, it was a rock is really defense minister on this program who actually will die when i was talking to him about that because he was associated with the back. if i'm us back, then just remind us of how close you came to a security establishment proposal and why it white broke down your agreement. the agreement with them ask you a negotiated to review. recall in october of 2011. the deal for the release of these really salter deluxe. really it was completed with the release of 1027 college student and prisoners from israel. amongst them, there were more than 300 palestinian prisoners were serving life sentences for killing his relatives. yeah, unless it was yesterday. so who are, who is the leader from us in casa, in,

shortly after the success of the secret back channel, which i have established and was running for the entire time that you lot, you'd want to think of giving me more than 5 years. and i started talking with my from us counterpart interlocutor as a comment about trying to establish a long term ceasefire. who's today? this week's present guidelines. sorry. who is today? the spokesman from us as one of the supposed to be police, a member of the public bureau, the member of the shore account. so he's one of the from us leaders, he's a outside of god. so he left also before the war and was the primary spokesperson of the war from the route at the time and just aren't able to anymore any any way. and honestly, comedy and i began negotiating a long term ceasefire. she was in it talking directly to the job really was the head of the military when from us. and because at the time, the man who really built the military might of some us at that time. certainly the person who was responsible for objecting and holding it actually um we went through

4 or 5 verse going through a job interview at that time. they were being bankrolled by the is there any government as well as you to i don't know. nobody's. these really going never funded from us. these are the government allowed us to be funded from us as a look. this a, a financial empire. it's not only $30000000.00 that nothing you know, allowed to come with the gods. every month, it brought him in suitcases and they later transfers. now how much is the financial that required? and bitcoin, and other crypto currencies and businesses around the world and companies that they own and not just the money. and of course, the whole tunnel enterprise they've worked in gaza for years in richmond, thomas with many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. not a lot more. anyway, we were negotiating long term ceasefire on the day. that is the job to receive the latest version of the test. after i have consulted with the as really minister of defense, it would brock i consulted with united nations representative with the secretary

general and other people about the contents of the, of the draft that we were working on on the morning that the job or to receive the latest version in arabic, later that afternoon because real assessing agent came in, she was, is seen by israel, is a, is a portable enemy, well deserved to die of israel decided to kill him. it was not connected in mug youtube or negotiations that we were conducting. i'm not sure that anyone in the is really military really knew that the negotiations we were conducting were ongoing. and you're gonna have chances of steps success. but after job it was assassinated. that was the end of those negotiations and that was in november of 2012. we have no way of independently verifying that information about how much funds. but do you think they were people in the as rarely state and most sides and the other elements of the secret said you were unhappy with the deal that you helped negotiate because they didn't want the 1200 to palestinian prisoners captains opened of indian hostages out of going back to what i was saying earlier, the,

the policy on october 7th of taking hostages because your dealer created the president. i'm noticing not blaming you for the address of the president. there were deals that happened before the one that i didn't that you've been released more palestinian prisoners did deal with us. majority of it back in the eighty's. and there were other presidents where you recognize the hannibal doctrine by some in the israeli deep state, trying to avoid look at the time that the deal was made. it was estimated that 80 percent of these really public supported $26.00 members of these, where the government voted for the deal. 3 members, lou louis just voted against it. nothing else supported the heavens, the most out. they had edition, but the chief of police, the chief of the, is where the army troops steps to the army and the most officer in charge of the file or recommend usually go in to vote for it the day. the deal actually was brought home on october 18th, in 2011, was the day of celebration given this kind of okay, so what's happened now? because of the polls show that the is really is, i mean, you've already said,

then you always deeply unpopular insure might be going to jail. as soon as this, a risk to conflict is over a genocide is over. what's happened? but now they don't, apart from those demonstrating for their relatives who are still kept hostage in guys, a most israelis not protesting against the opposed to the genocide we're seeing on our phones every few seconds of most of the women and children being slaughtered by the british american, the new weapons. now i think there are 2 things to take into account. what is the most is what is don't seem to hear many turing disaster the piece where the army is created because we see the physical damage on these really media on these early television. they have shape talk, we still most sorry they have take talk. they have social media now, but it's really don't watch the same tick, tock, channels that you do when you're not on from us as a telegram or palestinian telegram. they say he's reading media and they trust is really media and they don't seem to humanitarian suffering. but they're also

reliving the trauma of october 7th, every single day. and for most is really is what's happening and garza is revenge. and that's how they relate to it. we don't have a, a rational society which is looking coherently and logically what's being done because we don't see it. now people like me. i get phone calls from friends and girls every day just yesterday. a young woman, well i hope to support her university tuition and bought her a laptop computer last year with other friends who didn't called me yesterday from the hospital. she was wounded. her mother was wounded for cousins were wounded with her. the trip that she was living in your, when eunice was destroyed all over property over belongs. this is a human story. i know this woman. i know her name. i've spoken to her. i've seen her on, on what's a video. and most just really is don't have those kind of context where they actually know human beings in gaza here with a mindset like with a genocide next door,

which they are perpetrating all we it with the weapons from britain to you as long as you exist. i mean, should, should a country like god exist on the face of the earth? i totally, by those the estimates from the nonsense thing would you equate to 27000000? wiped out mostly women and children in the united states. that's what we're talking about. if you killed 27000000 people in the united states, i don't think the question of whether another country should exist as a legitimate question. i think the question is whether or not this conflict has a legitimate reason to continue and shooting. the parties be sitting down with the help of our allies in the region and around the world to resolve this conflict. we've been killing each other over our right to exist for a 100 years. when i say right to exist, i mean his release of simians, the fact that we have failed to negotiate a deal that would enable all of us to live in peace and security and dignity is the fault of both sides of the complex. here in the international community that has allowed us to go on with this complex for so long without forcing us to reach a solution. ok, the weather is realize the right to exist as

a cause. because i know you the piano is really politicians, how mosque they also for the 2 state solution. but you know that many increasing numbers supported once its solution. is it now time to look at a one state solution instead, all the time was before october, 7th, october 7th, prove that the one state solution is totally not viable. i actually thought for years before october 7, it's a 2 state solution was dead and we need to find our solutions. and i was talking to a large number of israelis about a standing some sitting round tables and trying to come up with the kinds of ideas of veneration in consideration and hybrid models. but one of the big surprises of this board is that the 2 state solution is back in front of us in countries that have been talking about a 2 state solution for 30 years, but only recognized israel are beginning to turn around, but also recognize the state of palestine and that needs to happen and well, the recognition of palestine doesn't in the occupation, it does remove the veto from israel on the question the palestinian statehood. the

original equation here, that's perhaps simplistic. but the equation is that it posts, things will not have freedom and dignity if is will, doesn't have security. and this really won't have security and posted installer, freedom and dignity. that's not to say that the palestinians is where these all don't deserve freedom, dignity and security they do. but there's a question that we're talking about between the jordan river and the mediterranean sea. there are 7000000 is ready, jews and 7000000 posted in arrows. and no one is going anywhere and the possibility of their living together under one democratic circular state. there's no real. well they said that in south africa famously and the most danger you, but it's not the same situation is here. we're not talking about a small minority that controlled a large majority that didn't have any political rights here. you're talking about 2 people's on people numbers that both claim a territory of their home claim that they give their identity. okay, well just to or to your identity as you've demographically,

that's changing in lots of israelis of left until october, the 7th. i'll give you a to know how many are we doing and we know that 22000 of arrived in israel is neuberger. and since i saw, i saw the figure, but we know that how in the left the same as we do, but demographically, we know where the population is headed. of you, your disability, demographic question here. it's not a battle of the mean. it's the fact that there are 2 people here in a territory to claim, or just their own and boat, people's need to continue to live here in both people's need to find a way to the housing the right to live here. okay. just riley between the river and the c one sentence, everyone living between the river and the sea must have the same right to the same rights. that's the basis of it in 2 separate 2 separate places. 18 state prevent dates. okay. which is finally being critical of what is there it was done by the i c c, investigating the genocide. do you see any prospect of nuremberg style hirings for

genocide? so the idea of what's happening and gaza, look, the question of genocide is one that the international court of justice has moved. israel is in violation of the convention of genocide. and then if you look at the convention in the breaches of the convention that have been done, but usually when people do that, we're talking about gender started to your a. toward the end of the convention, there's spring mass of chewing in gaza, but there was no genocide. there was total destruction. there is the intent of israel to come, not attempt this realistic seated and destroying the old gaza. but there are more than 2000000 people living in the us, and we don't have gas chambers and ovens burning, but these and israel is not dropping an atomic bomb. and god of israel is not going in and plowing people with machine guns in pits that they make them dig like the nazis did to the jews in europe. this is not an actual genocide. it is a breach of the genocide convention. but let's be real here. if this were wanting to commit genocide, we would have

a 1000000 dead palestinians not 40000 dead published in use. and that's way too much and there's no justification for it. i mean, it is a war crime that is realized when committee and gaza ought to be clear about that. we have cross narrow red lines and israel's committing more prizes, garza but it's not really a genocide showing baskin. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show, all continued condolences to those bereaved by what many believe is a u. k u. s. and you, um, genocide will be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch my role as social media of it. so it says in your country and had to have channel going underground tv on the com to watch a new and old episodes of going underground c center the

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is enough. it cannot continue.