the agent said this is impulsive, and if we come this far, we know that it's going to be worth the journey. the hello, and welcome to cross top boulevard, and john peter live out here we discussed some real news. we're trying to really be able to bring the conflict in ukraine to and then given the forces arrayed against him from says he would end the conflict before being inaugurated. what would his deal look like? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he is a pond cast forensic capital which can be found on youtube and local stand in merrill tests. we have martin jay, he is and award winning journalist and commentator for a gentleman cross type roles and the fact that news can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated quite let's kick it off with george and booted as well. it's

becoming real, george. i mean, you know, we have heard from say throughout the campaigns that he would end the conflict and ukraine in 24 hours. he's even given a call the reason way before he was or not i'll get rated if the is victoria so november. so in looking at the convention, there's a, there has been a lot of, there hasn't been a lot of commentary about few wasn't there. and a lot of the old neil comes very well known individuals lives, chaney, and bill crystal ball, ryan, and many, many others. like pens, they weren't in there. j. the vans was there. mike pompeo was there as well. i think you get my drift here. you know, trump is his election prospects are looking good. um, and so we have to think hard about the reality that he may inherit this for the binding started slave. that's exactly right. and um, trump has been quite skillful in maintaining an ambiguity as

do well in the 1st. that is what exactly america 1st really means, but in the 2nd place, how you will resolve this problem that in ukraine because it goes to a yes, there are other people like a j, the vans. they take it to me in the very 1st we, we focus on america's problems. we don't waste our resources on the peripheral issues such as your crime, but they're all is well there and such as you get a powerful congressional chem and like michael, my cool and their idea of america for us is what we go in and we own like button, give your credit in the tools to finish the job. so that is that, yeah, yeah, the, you know what the trunk will do is very different from of buying book. he will actually help ukraine when this will. well,

that's completely the opposite. but what trump has been saying there's a trunk has been dividing by without having to do exactly spell out. i mean, they've been various papers written by people associated with the american 1st policy institute, like going frederick flights and uh keith kellogg. but the trump is not working those to any of those plans. so yes, he says he's going to end this in 24 hours, but it's never any given us, some idea of how exactly that will be accomplished or what exactly that you know, final kind of, uh, anything of the will will look like. yeah. line you, i think it was on friday that uh trump had a conversation with uh, the now illegitimate president of ukraine zelinski. and the readout from both sides was kind of boiler plate to me was an excellent, perfect telephone spell of his with his drum like sikes, to say that they made it sound like there was a lot of agreement, but nothing,

nothing, nothing was specified. no details. where's best buy, for example, endorsing the, the china and proposal or a of an african proposal or reacting to an improved new said repeatedly about how negotiations? cuz i know the details were given except really weren't agreement. that's, that's not encouraging. well, they were in agreement to the idea of trump waiving his magic wand, encouraging a solution for everyone, including the landscape, but nothing, nothing for us as much. no details because i don't think so because of the details at this point. you know, random, i think it's soon because if you're into the lens because position, probably a very wary of trump, you know, it's, uh is, is it a little bit like taking advantage of the devil? you know, one minute from can be a for the next minute. you can be your biggest enemy if, if you just don't react the way you would need you to rattle the time and respect his particular requirements. when it, when it comes to media or whatever. so i think i'm probably listening skills

training very carefully. amazing. somebody had a conversation because you know, everybody is now just assuming that we're gonna have trumping the white house. and he's now going to have to live up to this, this declaration you made a long time ago, these gonna fix your credit and in 24 hours. and nobody actually really believes that, you know, the russians have been taking very so, but we're still approach to it that i think the official statement was let us know . they were gonna stick, you know, and made the statement before about fixing them, at least when he was president and the facts. you know, it's sort of them hacks like me who actually looked at them at least and say, well actually, if you have no, don't what you did with this. well, i'm, i'm given israel the, the impetus and the status that you don't show in the trump camp. it was in regards to a brown, the cold, some shifting capitals and acknowledged in westminster hiring more code. all these things, you know,

perhaps the october 7th events wouldn't happened because i linked the to, you know, think when you go back to and you're going to pick a picture. i think october, the 7th was a huge. i'm circuit breaker sitting for, for the palestinians. i'm proud of that was they go sold down the river with the bombing codes by everybody, including the harps, you know, so i think to, he's in a pickle and i will in myself to his proposal, months ago or wherever it was years ago that he was so ukraine warning today because he would just throw it up and say, right, you know, i'm going to more might the end of the us funding and not more or less would be the silver bullet. but it's actually a bit more complicated than that. and i think i think what we're seeing reality is that he will pull off a cease for in his 1st week and office. but taking it further from that is can be very, very difficult because there a whole bag of complications the which was initially when he made those statements . one of which this has been mentioned by george, his daddy vons who doesn't give

a to hopes about ukraine. and i'm, but i is sick. sing up the rhetoric now it's also on china. and so that complicates things even further with russia, signing any sort of a piece deal in the craig is do lots and lots of news now. and that's always a good copy of that. we mentioned on this program and you can have as many ideas and proposals as you want, but there for us, it isn't at the table. we've been in it just say, hey, let's just do tell lety georgine, you and i pointed out in the past. and maybe it's a um, immaterial detail. but when trump has said, you know, he wants this resolved before. he is a now get ready to this kind of interesting to me and maybe it's a reach, but i've always felt and i've always felt that there was a mistake on the part of his movement. is this the call despite who's wards in the game? he does things in south of from it and he doesn't want this war on his watch. he

has a lot of other things he wants to do. it maybe that's just read a reach and then reading into something that isn't their thoughts. well, i think that's right. i mean who is famously, i think daniel patrick moynihan told richard nixon just as he was taking office in january 1969. that unless you bring this war in via tom to an end in no time. and so this will be known as nixon's war, but until then, it has been johnson's will and now is going to be nixon's well, and that's in fact what happened. the nixon wasn't able to bring this war to in the media of conclusion, alex was t then god blamed for the war, and i think trump consciously, unconscious date is thinking along those lines that are in no time a tool and the democrats, or very, very good at the political marketing will say, hey, this is drum floor, trump has made a hash of this trunk problem is that he would bring this to an end. he hasn't brought it to an end is actually even worse than he was. it's trunk floor. so he,

he wants to begin this office planes, but it's either easier said than done now leave the issue of where you. busy went and then their suggestions of this from being the boss and their suggestions of this from this fred flights and that keeps kilo go rogue, this paid before the merge of all right, so as far as is, is that, well, what are they going to do? is go to zelinski and say, well, unless you show up for a peace conference with russia, we're going to cut off your assistance. and then they go to the russians and say, well, unless you show up to the strong presence and clearly indicate that you want to, uh, and this will, we're going to double our assistance to ukraine. so i think that they've been very queued um, but then the, even if this happens, even if the, you know, and that's a possibility of, of i get this conference going and that's pro. and so that's getting realizes that the days of the these, these conferences without russia are over,

i think you've come, willing says that if we have a conference and roster has to attend. but even if that happens, then where do we go from? yeah, yeah, you may want to put a ceasefire in place, but what would be the points of that? the one selling point that i think trump has the, which is all involved this one by and is that he doesn't care about nato. and so that whole issue of, of where, you know, open the door to nato for you. great, you know, every country has a right to decide the joining a control doesn't care about that. so that at least could be both on what was your thought. they get hold of more. so george of the market right now, nato is going to do whatever the us wants at the end of the day at the end of the day. that's what it's going to be. they can, they can have all of their p, r, and they're complaining and trump proofing and all that. but once the word is out from washington, nato will follow. but that doesn't make things simple. go ahead mark. now, i mean, if we will, next we will be around to, i mean, plants, you're pretty small. people certainly much smaller people to me,

photos of them. so i'm out running a list, but up it's a say that is main service on a self destruction cause i think, um, i don't think trump would have any, probably been going down in history being the capitalist who bought that about you know, he, the protocol from scott, is that whichever way he moves he's going to come from a full own collision with you? or i know there's, there's so many signals. now the americans are heading to the trade will 0. trump on funds now want to um, hike up tariffs with china. effects on a whole lot of goods, right across the world, not only with china, but with the europeans as well. and it's, it's done that wiggle room that they have a leverage that you said that, you know, america basically nathan nato was america, if he has a massive time from an cents to the present scalar, you're not only having nimble aid from america. you have a normal aid from nato and from the big players individually in europe, that could be a huge game changer that could, that could be, you know,

pretty amazing that could stop every say and get people to focus. mine's got in those articles that i think you're referring to, but the meetings on the phone go sorry, between to lensky and trump. there were a couple of little, tiny details. journalist for the 10th one of them was the full key regions, you know, which are and, and, and the dispute and was a, so then you would give them up. it's written the message, this is out of the question. those lensky in no way could get those readings up, which then throws the spotlight back on so lensky and how he come over night in life. you go from being a friend to the so we from and it's almost reaction to that was going to be, well, you are the problem now. so you have to go, you know, and, and the problem is lucy's golf course is that it's m c, you know, you mentioned earlier, there is not the person anymore. yeah. how much lower than that go on for when you have these international piece conferences and where russia, what are the video bridge showing our viewers very clearly health problem. my drums

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water is a part of the, the employee would post isn't the, the place you of us and that in the word, or is it something deeper, more complex might be present good. let's stop without cases. let's go part of the welcome back to cross i pulled orange. i'm beautiful though dear. we're discussing some real news. ok, george. i need to go back to you. so come question in peach. don't worry to credit . you might think though we should remember that. okay, more than you know, it looks at it very with any very with this very silver mine, but the vikings entire ukraine policy has not been so,

but it's been extremely reckless and people are attached to this. i mean, it's pax americana. it is maintaining, had gemini, the, they, the effort to the, and it's like the strategic, the feet on russia is just as real now as it was for years charge. so that's exactly right. and i think that's where the problems are going to arise for chrome . because the republican party, along with the democrats, i suppose, this war and i mean by the republican bobbino, i'm a big, large proportion of it. let me so like when, when that 61000000000 dollar package where ukraine was passed um, a few weeks ago. um, basically, you know, the, the senate republicans, foxley, congressional republican supported it. so that's really a trumps problem. that if he does go down this month, if it decides to bite the bullet and the spend that goes along and says, well, this, this war and you brand, it makes no sense. i think it makes no sense for us to wage war against russia. we

need rushes of ally against china, which i think probably is what he really thinks, even though you know, the been consistently think that says, way of 16. so therefore, let's you know, this has nothing to do with our america with our interest. let's just bring it to an end. he is going to come into conflict immediately with him to the congressional republicans. and they are very unhappy about that because the input they and then it was, well now say we need to do give you a crime, everything it needs to get the job done to the fed, russia. so ultimately he's going to have to build a construct this problem that his own party is deeply divided on this issue in a fruitless river. let's remember who's of his own speaker, you know um mike or mike, but he doesn't, you know, mike johnson, he's the one to push that 61000000000 dollar back. it is for your brain. so you got to keep him happy. is it so it's going to be very difficult for him. and you

mentioned about the impeachment. yeah, that's a real possibility. i mean, the lead people like lindsey graham and michael mccaul and all the rest of them. they're not just going to sit still and, and watch. uh you, ukraine, that's basically it all we, ukraine is being sold down the river when we're getting boots and everything will be of george. we see the rushing gate rearing its ugly head. you can no rush, it gave him a get. okay, this is already up in the mix, right? no more than you know, it's interesting when we, when mike from pale he actually spoke at the, at the convention trying to, um, uh, uh, take on or uh, uh, appropriate to himself. what america 1st is, which is definitely complete. diametrically opposed to what someone like from and well from what we know of a vans but there are other people around john radcliff, robert o'brien, rick right now. so i told so you can going along with the trump vans

vision here. i mean it's, we can say there's just going to be congressional resistance, but even within his administration, if he's thinking about mike pay or marco rubio, i don't know. i would think that the, the, the, the impeachment process will be set up in january. he's got some problems, he definitely has some problems which he, he couldn't possibly soto and visions around when he made this a read over simplistic statements. but you claim you credit isn't going to be results in a day of a week or, or, or i think and month. so i think it's going to be a long standing issue, a sorta inside of trump, in his new administration. what was interesting for me about the conference is the 3 brits who turned out of knowledge of how much this trust and boss johnson was really shocked me. and i really did open mind jewel just left me for withdrawal. i couldn't not believe peter. how much time trump gave to burst johnson and,

but was still in some remote this with the british press of the roman articles and the independence saying basically the bar as johnson is more or less convince from that. so he needs to can continue the campaign with ukraine and against russia. i'm the front of the even gets pressed. covers the fact that the boy is johnson got the time to talk to him. it gives you an indication, but he's not quite so gone. how and quite so binary now on you kinds us before, he's prepared to work with some of the people who are on the well to a very close to ukraine is i always don't to the golf to be was landscape. i really have to pick up, people just have at least one big. that's really how can you hide just big boy, just, just to go around the well, just basically, you know, promote thing ukraine's landscape is not the old one. he's not in there, but where is that still going to and you know, i think it could go either way, but it's we, we might be surprised. we might be surprised,

but actually trump reaching out more to these a lives you know, onto how to fund a diplomatic solution which gives him still the price and the, and the, the, the international prestige. they need to wear this thing about the whole thing of your credit for me is you have this relationship between a trump on 210 and one has to ask this question. what's it based on? is it based on from one thing to do huge business in the countries that creates another as a real control of real estate, whatever. um or is it just an operation, or is it the wrong? by do the russian secret service will go all sorts of things on from the he's worried about age. it's really amusing how this continues, but just don't see how it so i think, you know, george, i think it's kind of more common sense. i mean, why should the united states and rush should be enemies? why okay, what? yeah, of them short. so that's exactly right. and i think that's the look instinctively

trump of the stuff. but when the cold war came to an end and the book, but the well what, what, what's, what's this of the football? i don't think that there's any real relationship between, from russia and i think it was the least steven co and your supply. the trend is actually one of the few kind of leading businessman in the united states or hasn't made a lot of money in roster. i mean, i think, you know, he's talked about various projects building of trump. uh, but he's never really uh, pull that. oh, i think that's. yeah, he does see brush up as a potential ally against china. he believes in the brands believes that china is a looming thread. and, and that's, and they basically have to have to mobilize them really alliance, but extensive, you know, it's, it's still worth having, you have to mobilize it against the china. i mean, i think he would like to downgrade the europeans in,

as well as look at where we will contain russia. but you do that, that, that's your task. another idea of europeans like, you know, that that's what you need to focus on. we will focus on china, is that what we we will reorient though, so those 2 contain china in asia. i think that's what he would like. um, ukraine is just as old a message here with you and you know, you can either way, it has to be resolved but um, you know, the but it was like so, you know, we can take the oregon and so far is johnson. so, you know, oregon goes to the trunk because yeah, yeah, yeah, trump told me he's gonna bring this to an end not full of confidence that he knows as though he's going to bring it to and then um and then uh and then bar is done. so says yeah, i'm absolutely confident that the drum blows up to do with ukraine. so what does that feel as if joseph looked from just sent that tells you his name to lock. you does what they want to hit or the was going to come to an entity and just to bring

it to an end, hidden in by, by the time he is a in oregon. right? that bar is john. so does he have to go guy trump season he's with us on the need. so he's got to do your jersey. the role is the made disappoint to everyone customer . yeah. my friend, you know, so we've talked about with boris johns and things and j. b. vance, and maybe went trumps and they came out and thought about watching the russians care about any of this conversation. yeah, that's a very good point. the other thing that the, if you look at the, i see all of patient and you go back long enough when there was a possibility of russia in the european union and america coming close together and even russia becoming a lot of nature. i think he's our deal and so his role ideology is that for us it should be both of us. it should be integrated more, you know, so from a business point of view, from a duplicate point of view, from a piece point of view, i don't, i don't believe put in as a whole month where i know there was so many people in the 3rd and a small to me on social media for that, but i just don't buy it. i never saw pitching any but don't you think martin,

i mean again, you know there's, there's the anesthesia is to all of this. i mean, um, um, if you look at it at a distance, you know, i'm good was very kind of a much of a liberal when he started out then in this chain. why? because the west is a club in russia is not invited. certainly thing. i mean, what do you do if you're not invited? okay, you have to go your own way. yeah. but i think doesn't put the most. i think i think my lunch day is there way long. got a loan. yeah. well yeah, i mean, storage, we even had the, the, the, the foreign minister loved it off age that you can actually me something i said to you when that comes with this in part of the complex and you're going started. this is going to be a breach covering and generation generations. george. yes, i think that that's right. i, i didn't do things. oh, the russians would like the, the to written to some kind of uh, no mallet the normal races but a well trade trade. yeah, exactly. but it's not, it isn't going to happen any time,

any time really in the foreseeable future. and i think that's because one of your has decided to do your business. i'd have to mobilize itself, mobilize that entire, go to europe in continents against russia, is done. it without any real concern for its own interest, but it is what it is mobilize that he's style going to be very, very difficult. a role that has happened. i'll throw you know, all of sending all of this and military assistance in order to kill russians. it's going to be very difficult. oh okay, what do you really mean if let's, let's go back to the good old days of it. what good old days will be scaled? held coal in the bar is the old channel and give them the bill and the young boots and this isn't going to happen. and uh, they give it to it and let me get them. i think you some ideas of your hopes along the russians that well, maybe we can do that, but that's just not all. it's marvin finish it out for the last 30 seconds. go

ahead. i think the take away now. so for me, for the last few days, looking at all these huge events is the holistic news from brussels that live on the land is now going to have another 5 years in, in part, what does that tell you about health and stuff? that's a european solution to a european problem. good luck. and she's already re buying your fist on the table and talking about, you know, getting morgan who were china, and i'm pulling more money off to good money into the ukraine. black hole, you know, it, it, so many people of said to me on social media, this is fantastic news because it means in the long term, it's going to be some, some revolution in the countries and much else more, you know, other, you know, what's, what's stuck with it unfortunately, but it's curbside when you're you're a bit stuck and we'll see if the republican party is stuck on we heard a lot of good things, but a lot of bad people still hanging around when i think my guess in budapest, in may of america actually,

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