the, the i'm action or can see welcome back to going underground rule got single around the world from you a. this week you guys are wall coordinator benjamin netanyahu receive the here as welcome in the us congress, but just outside the capital building. thousands protested the us enabled genocidal war and garza and the complicity of joe biden find the fullest. of course his re election bid just weeks before the democratic national convention in august. but just before netanyahu addressed israel loving bankrolled politicians in washington, the aging declaration resided in china by 14, by the same factions, including a mazda in front of uniting the resistance in nature, a nation of israel. joining me is a man who knows the reality of a legal

u. k. u. s. a u armed occupation, 1st hand born in 1994 and they are all about gaza without no cause in june of 2 decades of israel's aggression. the murder of his brother, i'm and in 2014, drove him to tell his story and create. we are not numbers a platform amplifying god's invoices. he joins me now from london. thank you so much for coming on the show just before we get to and then yeah, who's address this week? and the other issue is just remind us what israel has done to your family as well as the right. it has done somebody, somebody wants, it has been doing for the past 76 years. so the processing and people have been massacring the palestinians. ethnically cleansed them from them as they were sleeping in their homes. this is what's happened to my family. my family were sleeping in their home in a safe area and started by is are and when and is there any bomb was dropped on my family, couldn't going of them 21 members of my family were slaughtered or mess occurs

while they were sleeping in their beds my father, my brother is my sister's and my 14 nieces and nephews who are on the children under the age of 13 this what has this is what's happened to my family and october last year. and actually, these are the immediate family members. i have lost and this will, but i lost count as others of the extended family members. i don't know the number of how many people i have lost family members, relatives, friends, and i lost account. and this is what has been ongoing for the past 9 months. and garza, the total destruction of the infrastructure, the total lack of accountability and mass graves, destruction of hospitals and schools, neighborhoods icon. no matter how hard i tried to send you what's going on and goes on board. so one surface, i mean uh okay, what's it like actually being in london knowing that this uh,

already unpopular prime minister. so it gets down to insist on supplying weapons and that in yahoo own, in the past few days is foreign secretary david allow me use 1st drip us to seen that and yeah, over photo cool said we have to keep supplying the weapons. do you think any of these british weapons killed your family? of course i know for sure that the separate shrub has killed my family. i know definitely somebody was killed by an a 16 or a 6 or of 35, a bumper. and we know for a fact that parts of these, uh, what tends parts of these uh, vehicles. i've carried the boom to my family get parts of these forms that there's my somebody where manufacturers in the okay. and in the us and some other european from the other european countries. so we know for sure for a fact that part of the bomb that does my family was manufactured in the u. k. and this is no surprise to us. we know that the u. k. has been compressed into what impact assigned since the inception of as rain, as of it to 6 years ago, it is the okay that give us are the best for it to flourish,

it in which they give them what they don't on. and they give them the lives of palestine to homes, the of the pot assigned to the zionist. and unfortunately for the past 76 years that you okay. and the us has been, have been complicit in these wars and gods, but they never apologized for the wrong doing. so they've done on palestine and more than that, they have been a right before i think is right. and that's the only with the when been great to tell us what also with the pro much and cover with the media cover, with everything that is what it does up here with everything. is there anything is more than that? they're also looking at the i, c, j and r c c a from investigating the war trends and gaza. why do you are? why do you think so give this number and david allow me to do it as a, uh, is it money? is it the ignorance, is it? what's the reason for them supporting what is being called by these sorts of quotes of genocide? plausible genocide. i don't know what, what to drive them to do with that, but uh,

but that doesn't spots or whatever, whatever, just the vacation they have, it doesn't really matter. what matters is that they are providing. is there a way to attend to providing? is there anybody to come out to cover with me just coverage in order to mastercard, the innocent people who cause a bad aside and no matter what the excuse is, they can come up with it doesn't really matter. and i don't really want to go into details on why do they do that? but the, what matters is the, the outcome and the outcome is harder. but it's some semester because genocide, this genocide against would be put in garza, you cause a decades what makes it different this time. and perhaps it is worse than even the knock. but what we're witnessing is that the media, which you alluded to, is continuing its usual role in britain, the bbc and so on. but the people of written don't support the agenda that they want to seize at ceasefire. how is it, do you think that the both in washington the protest is outside the capital

building? when then yeah, we speaking the people of britain, the weekly illness approaches have managed to know the truth despite what the major is being telling them about what's been happening to guys and, and what's been happening in jerusalem is what it tells you. i look to actually, it tells you that the people in the okay and the us on definitely i'm no, no, they're buying this pen. oh, there was some meet you know, don't there like they no longer believe the misinformation and bit mr. presentation of the processing of people in the media. and there are defying the media there, depending on the, the, the, the, the policy and media, or the new trend with those tentative media that's, that's as, as a broad thing in the list right now with all of it also tells you to what kind of a democracy with it then what kind of democracy we live in if, if the, if the people in the okay. and we know for a fact that the majority of the people in the u. k, so forth, a ceasefire. the majority of the people into you please support the processing is rides the, the, the quality,

the freedom of the processing and people. and none of that is scarce somewhere in his government and they have previous government. and that's wasn't the okay, did not in this and, and did not live up to their responsibilities. the have to does not listen to the people that are present. and that tells you a lot about the democracy, the faith democracy that we have, the fake of freedom that we have in the west. and the width is not as a free as it to promote. so they're not democratic as they promote. and there's only an establishment of elite and politically leads that to govern the u. k. and we have a deep to say that governs what, what, what, what, whatever comes to the add to the foreign policy. and no matter how hard no matter how, how much there is a change in the government when it comes to the front, but se, unfortunately, especially when it comes to pass on an essay, is governments want to change a lot and this is not the set of rights we have known before that before data summer, but it came to bar. we know that when he came to power, he will not do a lot for change. he will not make any difference because for them it's all,

it's all the same. and so what, what does it make you feel when say, for a go king of the bbc broadcasts, they put out a piece in which 24 year old mom with the red down syndrome was field attack my dogs and the piece basically said, or a dog and the beast basically said he died, which is often a refrain to comcast guy news, and rupert murdoch's too tv use. it made me angry. it made me really angry at that time because i never expected that the bbc have a corrupt they do have a cruel ha. you might have to remind our audience what this case was because it's just one atrocity of so many yes, it's one of many, many atrocities. it was of a person with down syndrome and he was beaten by dogs of the is really the army when they invaded his home and they force their family, his family to leave the house and then they made the dogs bite them until he died.

then he was killed of this kind of savage for you this, this it's, it was a savage barbarian attack when a person with disabilities and how did the bbc covered that and said that the only additional for palestinian, just lonely, just about us and yet, but i was i was i'm, we actually because it showed how cool the bbc is right now. and, but i wasn't surprised because this is how it would be c had had always covered the then use it for me is i by this sign. the palestinians have always been described when, when they're brutally killed, the bbc would always say, palestinians are and when is where it is, are killed that would overstate. they were killed, there were massacred. and i did my dissertation on the bbc coverage on pad to sign accident. notice for a fact all the books i have read. what the research that has been done and the bbc coverage, and by the side or most of them say that the bbc's very biased when it comes to is there. and then by this time. so i wasn't surprised, but i was very angry that despite the genocide that that's taking place and gaza,

despite the 10s of thousands of children and women and men who are civilians killed in a brutal way in a barbarian way. the bbc still continues to cover the news in a very, very biased way and for us. but what to defend, those are in this country that, that kills the civilians that kills the children. that's because women that those innocent men it's, it's really shameful. it's really, really shameful, a shameful, and it's time that the rich people to wake up to this. i mean this, the bbc did change the ad line and said the idea of what we're involved indicating i, but it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter because the media always the 1st impression and the media always just stays forever when they publish the 1st assorted this, what both matters and the change of the after a lot of pushback from people from the audience. so i figured this out and they attacked the bbc for doing so, but they have done multiple,

they have done countless mistakes like this before and people did not pay attention to it. during the in britain, the same kind of media propaganda are about be headed, babies, rape, used. this was across british media in the all the golf co newspapers. the, the fake and use of the for to be headed. babies was in almost all over the, from the covers over the newspapers here and there was and people until now actually this slide was the bunk and many times ago, but the media center did not apologize. it's not correct. the mistakes they have talked a lot, a lot of lies a baby based and often that's was completely a lie missing information. they have reported these fake news and they never apologized for it. and this is a better. this is the pattern that the was the media has always used. when did sky pat assigned palestinians die, they simply die or miss misplaced themselves, or just happened to die on the part of that. so we can use our master code,

and you think people should protest, have bbc had causes, what would you say to these john? this, i should say, i used to work at the bbc. but what would you say to these drugs? because a brittany is uh, it broke us environment, they band russian television, a band chinese television. they band american television in from bro gust defacto in britain. i would tell them to wake up because they have coverage cuz the coverage with the bbc and other ministry media and that was kills the palestinians . they are complicit in the water crimes and by the same data complicit in the genocide, they would tell them to wake up because history will not forgive them. it wouldn't be a written down in history that the bbc and the miss mendecy media. they enabled the genocide they are a genocide enabling, is there a would never be able to commit these genocide these 40 crimes without the uh, the cover of the color and the silver was provided to them by the ministry media. so i would like to call them i, i want them to, to, to watch the news,

to watch the videos that come from goes on to be shaken to their core because those to are being killed and goes to our human. so there are our brothers and sisters and children, and these people should not be killed in despair barracks with children should never be killed. people with disabilities should not be bitten by dog by dogs. and this was not only a case, most adults beating our bites and the palestinians. many, many of these of these cases where they've proven into media a women and old women was, was beaten by adult before. and we have seen a video of that. we have seen a lot of the children looked of a lot of body barts for children who were killed intentionally. and also a few days ago there was a doctor who spoke to the media and he to and medic, and doctor and who, who said once he so talk man, i'll know kind of have to stop you that more from the co founder of we have enough numbers after this break the

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a lo so now i never looked at searches as being saved. well i guess i lost my list. that's the outcome of chicago police. it'd be gang chicago is like, can you get a photo of the police? you really think, you know, the crime, say this could have been a doctor or nurse could have been the next president. we can't keep losing people out here. the light from this day one been even decline mentioned was being drafted in early 19th . the united states was very clear that the for not take any action. that's what affected economy that did not allow climate negotiations to make progress and did

not take strong targets based on that fashion. based on that as part of the admissions or other of the kids that i can defeat and camp and put the responsibility on china and india and other developing countries the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the co founder of will not numbers ask with all those talk where they rudely interrupted you in the end of the one you were about to tell you a story about a surgeon in gaza. yes, the surgeon, he wasn't garza, he was a parade's in good doing surgeries and goes on. he told the media that the kind of for the to see didn't go. so i that he has seen and garza the cartridge that's happening in garza. he never so an equivalent of that in the modern history has been to many war, many words before many earthquakes. but you see,

he said that all everything that he has seen in his entire life doesn't match what he has seen and goes on the 1st a few weeks when he went there and told that kids, children, what is night. they were killed intentionally. why those are in the army, this is what's happening cause this is what has become the fact. unfortunately that was send me that doesn't cover that as they should. in fact, they are complicit and covering of for as right. we know i want to keep from a palestinian writer. edward said the importance of culture, that's a, that's how west and you are begin to understand the importance of culture and therefore cultural censorship. so as well as media censorship. i mean, do you think you can tie in? i mean, your project, we are not numbers people it and so have culture in that way to why say we didn't hear really about on a donation media about the aging declaration, the unity of resistance. finally,

a file of state and it's coming together over here occasionally is palestinians die the scores because this is what those 10 median wants to know. they wants you to know everything the, the, what's the median wants to to, and i thought about his son is when palestinians died is when the palestinians and may be a donkey. and a tech one is right. and they would never tell you about the culture about the history of pat, assign the history of the palestinians who have been living in these plans for hundreds of years for a millennia. and unfortunately, this is what the media intends to do. and this is what we are trying to defy as through the work of we are not numbers. we tried to defy the was send media away, breaking the stereotypes that the open house on the palestinians within the stories of what kind of thing is when they're struggling. we also tell the stories of the palestinians in a bright way. we tell the culture we tell the history we until the so the civilization of the policy and people be to, as human, as stories behind the numbers actually open, see,

and then using the were submitted. and this is very important because when people read about us, they will realize how much we are similar to each other. unfortunately, the within media demonizes, the purchasing and all the time, the processing is of the demons. and this, what makes the people, the audiences in the west don't care much about the sun because they would think of us as we are different. we're not different. we are humans just like everyone else . in fact, we are and we are an amazing people. we are talented, we have power for resilience. we are, we are very ancient speed. when we have been living there for thousands, a few years, we are the cause of civilization. we have a history. but is it all the more important then to demonize palestinians as rapists? hence, the stories that were from page and use in nature, nation media, and all the more important for british american and european union weaponry, then to target everything rather than to civilization. i think you've talked before about how many no, no need doctors, but professors older universities have gaza,

as well as the hospitals you'll find that was in construction. that's engineering. building every element of civilization of the palestinians must be wiped out by these nato weaponry luminated. lumps, of course is when is there a last this genocide on the palestinian people who did not target the mass? people did not target the militants. they were very concise with what they do and they wanted so to destroy the infrastructure of cause or they wanted to destroy and rethink that gives way of life to the people in gaza. so from the beginning of this genocide, they started bumping and targeting university professors and the the, the most prominent doctors in gauze right now the, the number of health care workers who have been killed by is for instance, this genocide exceeded 500 people buy from the doctors and nurses and health care professionals over a 160 journalists where targets is what they're covering. the news from garza and

they have been telling all the told from minute to professors in gaza. it says that they're doing this because they, they wanted to other people in gauze or that you don't have a way of living can cause i and they, the policy maybe would have to leave god. this is nick lynn saying genocide. and if they can think of the policy and people, how can they do it? and it depends on getting gaza without destroying the infrastructure, without destroying those to permanent people. that didn't weigh less than does what, like health care workers and doctors and professors and teachers. they have to do that so that the people in cause i need cause and whatever. so this is manufactured, it's a plant. they know exactly what they're doing. they're not just getting by mistake . they're not just sitting, can think unintentionally, they know, or they are coming. when they bump my family than you who was in my, in my home and the bombed it. nonetheless, they knew that there is, but is one of the safe areas that was instructed by is, are and, and in october. but the boom, my family, when they were sleeping in their home,

they know what they're doing. and they're doing it intentionally because they want to destroy everything that gives way of life to garza. and obviously, the top style of geyser has been destroyed the museums, the archaeology, rather than in some way that the angle americans israel, back to war and syria, when they tried to destroy the problem here are, and when does it the world? how, how did it help you to write and create the co found we in the numbers of to your brother's death? a my, my, my brother, but it was built in 2014 and the last 4 and the previous sorting goes on 2014 and what stuck to me at that time is that someone who spoke english. i realize that there was some media, it doesn't care much about the practicing is really just numbers with no one cares about us. no one cares about or so it is. we're just described as the service and the media. and then i was, i was asked by an american journalist who cares about about a senior sort of story about my brother then writing the,

the story about my brother, the process of writing a story about my brother and then share and gets with the world was some sort of therapy to me, it was setup sure take to write. so and then we, we started to, we decided to supplicate what's happened to with media this american journalist with many other palestinians to beg the stereotypes to give the policy is up to lots for which they really own to tell their stories without the medium. is it is a bit misrepresentation or, or miss information, a platform in which the policy is, can right there. so is it, is it on hand or just just to be themselves and describe for i'm no, i'm not sure how much hollywood or british publishers many to publish is owned by who for mode. okay. actually, if gotten going to eh, redressing this balance as regards the culture aside from culture though they love to talk of multi polar world and

a different era we're entering. do you think we could ever see russia in china or into the war on the side of the palestinians? or do you expect this present war to read your final genocidal conclusion as well as a believe it or not? i don't want the russian to try not to come in a war because this will bring like a world war 3 or something. what i want is an image of the genocide and of this must occur and into this conflict between as written and published. but, you know, britain continues under, so i guess thomas saying he wants to continue boring the weapons in, you know, the trump, and kamala harris, who received the outputs of $5000000.00 from the is really low, be a back if you didn't know, you know, you know the gym and the foreign minister of this week was with the uh, british, british defense minister, the gym, and the mentor. as the story is said, to jeannette and yos, a minister, you'll have gland,

whatever we can do to support you. there's no signs of any stopping of the war on the people of guys. is that yes, that is. unfortunately, there are no many signs of still being this genocide. think because of what i want to happen. i want to enter this genocide because i know not only this genocide, but i also won this conflict to the end to end once and forever redoing 20 horse. we don't want to china and russia to engage in a war against the west. i don't for them. well, well, what will happen because netanyahu and congress said he wanted men to the war 2 are presumably the way you want. so what would you add? this went be with the extermination of every man, woman and child in gaza. of course, of course, as a once peace in the region, only when there are no pet of sentience in the region. they want to be spaced on according to their own. i d o g and as long as your hope with amazing declaration that the resistance we really have, i don't really have hopes on

a china and russia, and unfortunately, i wish there is a bigger role that they can play. i don't have much hope on them to be honest. what do we have seen into china recently when they did this reconciliation between the processing infections is a good to say i encourage that, but at the same time, i don't have much hope. because we have seen a lot of the considerations that have in between the purchasing infections never came to add to a to, to life actually. so i have a lot of folks, but unfortunately the situation is very weak and i really want to rush around to china to be involved in this conflict. the forces that i've just felt the pressure, those that have to stop by don't think pressure and to try and i will engage in a war against us for i just stopped. so we just have to wait for this american seized, but i mean, what does it make you feel when you saw the united states investors with united nations and it almost greenfield,

put her hand up to veto. is these 5 resolution of the security council, or they will do that? of course they will do that because i view america. i few of the you i view the us as partners to us are, there are no the, there are no much different. they're the same people for me as the u. s. a. they are the same country that is which in good genocide they get the against the policy that people to america with its weapons, with its diplomacy, with its coverage, they have enabled as their end to commit the genocide. so of course that would be 2 . and then we would, there would be to any decision to enforce the ceasefire and in gaza. this is expected of them and it's very sad. it's very, very sad that the u. s. is in a blink is right, but they made it very clear that as an, as a friend and they're a lie and the support thing is there no matter what. so i wasn't surprised. it just made me angry. but at the center on the sort of price to make. so do you think the last the impact? just finally, i mean, so many of your family died as, as much as for palestine,

but actually the last the impact will be instability in their own countries. in the united states invest in europe in britain because the populations, if the united states and britain support will seem to support you and don't support that government. i don't want to see in a submitted to you in the west. i just want the was send governments to stop it's complicity against a policy and people against disability and people didn't cause i just want the governments to change course because if they don't to change course, i don't think it's would help them or with their people. the people in the was, are waking up and i don't think the people when, what's up a lot with the complicity of their governments against the people inside of science . so i just one of these governments to change course now and forever. luckily, although thank you. thank you very much and that's it for the show. i continued condolences to all those very value k u. s. u,

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