were trained in the us by the americans and europeans for months. they got slaughtered. so border barely trained constructs going to do any better now. and so we've already had cases all across europe of these asylum seekers who have committed crimes, people with gun affordable things. and would get deported for these crimes and their filing appeals to the court saying, oh no, no. but if i go back to my home country, i will get jailed, executed whatever. and the court, so like, you know, we, we can't the port to yes, you are criminal. yes. you are violent criminal. yes. you belong to jail, but we can't afford to to, i don't know, i've got to stand wherever. why wouldn't the ukrainians refugees living in europe who have done nothing wrong be said to certain death? that's absurd. they have every right to try to seek relief. i think they're trying to terrify these ukrainians into voluntarily enlisting in, in these training games rather than wait to be rounded up on the streets of poland

as they have been on the streets of ukraine. well that is all set the cell with close pick back up the top until the no action were townsend, sit down with a kind of thing and genres to talk. the silent thing of his people's voice, media complicity in his way. the actions and much, much more it is covered under the the i'm action or can see welcome back to going underground rule got single around the world from you a this week you guys are. wall coordinates have benjamin netanyahu receive here as welcome in the us congress,

but just outside the capital building. thousands protested the us enabled, genocidal war and garza and the complicity of joe biden find the fullest. of course, his re election bid just weeks before the democratic national convention in august . but just before netanyahu addressed these rail, lovely bankrolled, politicians in washington, the aging declaration resided in china by 14, by the same factions, including a mazda and fall into uniting the resistance to nature. a nation of israel. joining me is a man who knows the reality of a legal u. k. u. s. u armed occupation, 1st hand born in 1994 and the are all about gaza. hockman they'll know, cuz in june of a 2 decades of israel's aggression, the murder of his brother, i'm and in 2014, drove him to tell his story and create. we are not numbers a platform amplifying guys invoices. he joins me now from london. thank you. so much for coming on the show just before we get to and then yeah, who's addressed this week and the other issue is just remind us what israel has done to your family as well as right. it has done somebody, somebody wants,

it has been doing for the past 76 years. so the processing and people, it has been mess securing the palestinians. ethnically cleansed them from them as they were sleeping in their homes. this is what's happened to my family. my family were sleeping in their home in a safe area and started by is, are and when, and is there any bum, wasn't jumped on my family couldn't go all of them. 21 members of my family were slow to wear. mess occurs while they were sleeping in their beds. my father, my brothers, my sisters and my 14 nieces and nephews were on children under the age of 13. this what has, this is what's happened to my family in october last year. and actually these are the immediate family members that have lost and this will. but i lost count this others of the extended family members. i don't know the number of how many people i have lost family members, relatives friends, and i lost accounts. and this is what has been ongoing for the past 9 months. and

garza, the total destruction of the infrastructure, the total lack of accountability and massa grays, destruction of hospitals, the schools neighborhoods icon. no matter how hard i try to send you what's going on and goes on board. so once the surface, i mean uh what's it like actually being in london knowing that this uh, already unpopular prime minister as it gets down to insist on supplying weapons. and that, and yahoo own in the past few days is fine. secretary david, allow me use the strip, was to see that and yeah, over photo cool. said we have to keep supplying the weapons. do you think any of these british weapons killed your family? of course, i know for sure that these are bread shrub has killed my family. i know definitely somebody was killed by an a 16 or a 6 or a 35 a bumper. and we know for a fact that the parts of these weapons parts of these vehicles have carried the boat to my family, had parts of these forms that my family were manufactured into

u. k. and in the us and some other european from the european countries. so we know for sure, for a fact that part of the bomb that does my family was manufactured in the okay. and this is no surprise to us. we know that the u. k. has been complicit in the word and part of science since the inception of as read s of it to 6 years ago. it is the okay that give us are the best for the collaboration in which they give them what they don't own. and they give them the lives of pal, assigned to homes, the part assigned to the scientists. and unfortunately for the past 76 years, the u. k. and the u. s. has been, have been complicit in these wars and gods, but they never apologize for the wrong doing. so they've done on palestine, and more than that, they have been a right before i think is there a lot the only with the web and great took and also but also with the diplomatic cover with the media cover, with everything that is where it disappears with everything is there anything is more than that? they're also looking at the i, c,

j and c a from investigating the war trends in gaza. why does your, why do you think is the case number and david allow me to do? it's a, is it money? is it the ignorance, is it? what's the reason for them supporting what is being called by these sorts of quotes of genocide? plausible genocide. i don't know what, what to drive them to do with that, but uh, but that doesn't spots or whatever, whatever justification they have. it doesn't really matter what matters is that they are providing because they're a, with what tend to provide think is what you're going to come out. take cover with me just coverage in order to mastercard, the innocent people to cause a bad aside. and no matter what they choose, as it can come up with, it doesn't really matter. and i don't really want to go into details on why do they do that? but the, what matters is the, the outcome and the outcome is harder, but it's some semester is genocide, this genocide against the be put in gaza. you close at decades. what makes it

different this time? and perhaps it is with that even the not quite what we're witnessing is that the media, which you alluded to, is continuing its usual role in britain, the bbc and so on. but the people of written don't support the agenda that they want to seize at ceasefire. how is it, do you think that the both in washington the protest is outside the capital building? when then yeah, was speaking, the people of britain as a weekly illness protests have managed to know the truth despite what the major has been telling them about what's been happening to guys and, and what's been happening in jerusalem. but it tells you a lot actually it tells you that the people in the okay and the us on definitely no, no, they're buying this plan. oh, there was some meet you know, don't there like they no longer believe the misinformation and bit mr. presentation of the processing and people in the media. and there are defying the media there, depending on the, the, the, the policy and media or the mutual me,

those tentative media. that's it. and that's as, as a bread thing into, with stripe. now that all of it also tells you to what kind of a democracy with it and what kind of democracy we live in. if, if the, if the people in the okay. and we know for a fact that the majority of the people in the u. k. so forth a ceasefire, the majority of the people into you please support the processing is rides the, the, the quality, the freedom of the processing and people. and none of that is scared of storm or, and his government and the previous government. this wasn't the okay, did not in this and, and did not live up to the responsibilities the have to does not listen to the people that are present. and that tells you a lot about the democracy, the faith democracy that we have, the fake of freedom that we have in the west. and the width is not as a free, as it promotes, they're not democratic as they promote. and there's only an establishment of elite and politically leads that govern the u. k. and we have a deep to say that governs what, what we're but what, whatever comes to the add add to the foreign policy. and no matter how hard no

matter how, how much there is a change in the government when it comes to the firm, but as the unfortunately, especially when it comes to palestine, is there any, is governments want to change? hello, and this is officer bryce. we have known before that before get a summer when it came to bar, we know that's when he came to power. he will not do looks at change. he will not make any difference because for them it's all, it's all the same. and so what, what does it make you feel when say, for a goal keen of the bbc broadcasts, they put out a piece in which 24 year old mom with the, with down syndrome was field attack my dogs and the piece basically said, or a dog beast basically said he died, which is often a refrain that comcast guy news and rupert murdoch's to tv use. but it made me angry. it's made me really angry at that time because i never expected that the bbc

have a corrupt they do have a cruel ha. you might have to remind our audience what this case was because it's just one that draws give so many yes it's one is many, many atrocities because of a person with down syndrome. and he was beaten by jobs of the is where the army, when they invaded his home, and they force their family, his family to leave the house. and then they made the dogs bite them until he died . then he was killed of this kind of savage treat this, this it's, it was a savage barbarian attack when a person with disabilities and how did the bbc covered that and said that lonely this of a palestinian, just the lonely just about us and yet, but i was i was i, we actually because it showed how cool the bbc is right now. and, but i wasn't surprised because this is how it would be c had had always covered the then use it for me is right. but a sign the palestinians have always been described when,

when they're brutally killed, the bbc would always say, palestinians die, and when is where it is killed, that would always say, they were killed. there were massacred. and i did my dissertation on the bbc coverage on pad assign, actually have a notice for effect all the books i have read. what the research that has been done in the bbc coverage and by the side or most of them say that the bbc's very biased when it comes to is there a then by this time? so i wasn't surprised, but i was very angry that despite the genocide that take, that's taking place in gaza, despite the 10s of thousands with children and women and men who are civilians killed in a brutal way in a barbarian way. the bbc still continues to cover the news in a very, very biased way and for what's, what's the defense as are in this country that that kills the civilians. atkins, children, that's because women that goes innocent man, it's, it's really shameful. it's really, really shameful, a shameful, and it's time that the rich people to wake up to this. i mean this,

the bbc did change the headline and said the idea for invalid indicating i. but it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter because the media always the 1st impression and the media always just stays forever. when they publish the 1st assorted, this will both matters and the change of the after a lot of pushback from people from the audience. so i figured this out and they attacked the bbc for doing so, but they have done multiple, they have them countless of mistakes like this before and people did not pay attention to it. during the in britain, the same kind of media propaganda about beheaded babies, rape used. this was across british media and the all the golf co newspapers, the, the fake and use of the for to be headed babies was in almost all over the, from the covers over the newspapers here. and there was and people until now actually this slide was the bunk and many times ago, but the media center did not apologizes, not correct the mistakes they have talked

a lot. a lot of lies a baby based and often that's was completely a lie missile information they have reported these fake and use and they never apologized for it. and this is a better. this is the pattern that the was the media has always used. when did stripe palestine palestinians die, they simply die or miss misplaced themselves, or just happened to die and departed at that. so we can use our master code, and you think people should protest, have bbc had courses? what would you say to these edge on this? i should say, i used to work at the bbc, but what would you say to these drugs because they've brittany is uh, it will cost environment. they band russian television, a bad chinese television. they band american television in from bro gust defacto in britain. i would tell them to wake up because they have coverage kids the coverage with the bbc and other ministry media and the risk kills the palestinians. they are complicit in the water times and by the same data complicit into genocide, it would tell them to wake up because history will not forgive them. it will be

a written down in history that the bbc and i'm mr. menissi media. they enabled the genocide they are a genocide enabling, is there a would never be able to commit these genocide these 40 crimes without the uh, the cover the cover and discover was provided to them by the ministry media. so i would like to call them i, i want them to, to, to watch the news, to watch the videos that come from goes on to be shaken to their core because those who are being killed and goes are human. so there are were brothers and sisters and children, and these people should not be killed in despair. birth with children should never be killed. people with disabilities should not be bitten by a dog by dogs. and this was not only a case, most dogs beating our bites in the palestinians. many, many of these of these cases where were improving in the media. a women, an old woman, was, was beaten by a dog before. and we have seen

a video of that. we have seen a lot of that the children looked of a lot of body barks for children who were killed intentionally. and also a few days ago there was a doctor who spoke to the media and he to and medic, and doctor and who, who said what you so talking right now low kind of have to stop you that more from the co founder of we have those numbers after this break the story about a surgeon in gaza. a yes. the surgeon, he wasn't garza, he was a 3 thing good doing surgeries and goes on. he told the media that the kind of for the to see didn't go. so i that he has seen and garza the cartridge that's happening in garza. he never so an equivalent of that in the modern history has

been to many war, many words before many earthquakes. but you see, he said that all everything that he has seen in his entire life doesn't match what he has seen and goes on the 1st a few weeks when he went there, it told that kids, children, what is night, they were killed intentionally. why those are in the army, this is what's happening. think awesome. this is what has become the fact. unfortunately, that was send me that doesn't cover that as they should. in fact, they are complicit and covering of for as right. we know i want to keep from a palestinian writer. edward said the importance of culture, that's a, that's how west and you are begin to understand the importance of culture and therefore cultural censorship. so as well as media censorship. i mean, do you think you can tie in? i mean, your project, we are not numbers. the buttons of culture in that way to why say we didn't hear really about on a donation media about the aging declaration,

the unity of resistance. finally, a file of state and it's coming together over here occasionally is palestinians die . of course, because this is what the media wants to know. the wants to to know everything the, the, what's the media wants to get to know about about his son is when palestinians died . is when the palestinians and may be a donkey. and a tech one is right. and they would never tell you about the culture about the history of that assign the history of the palestinians who have been living in these plans for hundreds of years for a millennia. and unfortunately, this is what the media intends to do. and this is what we are trying to defy as through the work of we are not numbers. we tried to defy the was send media away, breaking the stereotypes that the open house on the palestinians within the stories of what kind of thing is when they're struggling. we also tell the stories of the palestinians in a bright way. we tell the culture we tell the history we until the so the

civilization of the policy and people be to assume many stories behind the numbers actually open, see, and then use and there were submitted. and this is very important because when people read about us, they will realize how much we are similar to each other. unfortunately, the within media demonizes, the processing and all the time, the processing is of the demons. and this, what makes the people the audiences in the west don't care much about that assign because they would think of us as we are different. we're not different. we are humans just like everyone else. in fact, we are and we are an amazing people. we are talented, we have power for resilience. we are, we are very ancient to be when we have been living there for thousands of figures. we are the cause of civilization. we have or history. but it is all the more important then to demonize palestinians as rapists, hence the stories that were from page and use in nature, nation media and all the more important for british american in european union weaponry, then to target everything rather than just civilization. i think you've talked

before about how many, no, no need doctors, but professors all the universities have gaza, as well as the hospitals you'll find that was in construction. that's engineering. building every element of civilization of the palestinians must be wiped out by these nato weaponry. major lumps, of course is when is there a last this genocide on the palestinian people that did not target the mass? people did not target the militants. they were very concise with what they do and they wanted so to destroy the infrastructure of guns, or they wanted to destroy and rethink that gives way of life to the people in garza . so from the beginning of this genocide, they started bumping and targets in university professors and but the, the most have permanent doctors in gauze are right now the number of health care workers who have been killed by is there instances genocide exceeded 500 people buy from the doctors and nurses and health care professionals over

a 160 journalists where targets is what they're covering. the news from gaza. and they have been telling all the told from minute to professors in gaza. it is that they're doing this because they, they wanted to other people in gauze or that you don't have a way of living can cause i and they, the policy 90 would have to leave garza, this is nick lensing genocides. and if they can think over the publishing and people, how can they do it and they keep the ends and getting garza without destroying the infrastructure without destroying those, the permanent people that giving way of life and goes to like health care workers. and doctors and professors and teachers, they have to do that so that the people in cause i need cause and whatever. so this is manufactured, it's a plant. they know exactly what they're doing. they're not just getting by mistake . they're not just sitting, can think unintentionally. they know where they are coming. when they both my family then you who was in my, in my home and the boomed numberless, then you that there is. but is one of the safe areas that was instructed by is,

are in and in october. but the boom, my family, when they were sleeping in their homes, they know what they're doing. and they're doing it intentionally because they want to destroy everything that gives way of life. to garza and obviously, the top size of kaiser has been destroyed. the museums, the archaeology, rather than in some way that the angle american israel, back to war and syria, when they tried to destroy palomino. and when does it the world? how, how did it help you to write and create a co found. we are not numbers of to your brother's death. my my, my brother, but it was built in 2014 and the last 4 and the previous one goes in 2014 and what stuck to me at that time is that someone who spoke english. i realize that there was some media doesn't care much about the policy is really just numbers with no one cares about us. no one cares about the resort as we have just described as the service and the media. and then i was, i was asked by an american journalist who cares about about

a senior sort of story about my brother then writing the story about my brother, the process of writing a story about my brother and been sharing it with the world was some sort of therapy to me it was setup triptych to right. and then we, we started to, we decided to duplicate what's happened with media. this american journalist for many other palestinians to beg the stereotypes to give the policy is up to lots for which they really own to tell their story is without the medium is it is a bit misrepresentation or, or miss information. a platform in which the policy is comes right there is. so is it, is it on hand or just just to be themselves and describe for i'm no, i'm not sure how much of hollywood or british publishers many to publish is owned by who mode. okay. actually, of gotten going to eh, redressing this balance as regards the culture, aside from culture though,

they love to talk of multi polar world and a different era we're entering. do you think we could ever see russia in china or into the war on the side of the palestinians? or do you expect this present war to read your final genocidal conclusion as well as a believe it or not? i don't want the russian to try not to come into war because this will bring like a world war 3 or something. what i want is an end of the genocide and of this must occur and into this conflict between as written and published. but, you know, in britain continues under such as thomas saying he wants to continue boring the weapons in, you know, the trump and come all the harris who received the outputs of $5000000.00 from the is really low, be a back if you didn't know you know, you know, the gym and the foreign minister of good for this week was with the uh, british, british defense minister, the gym, and the mentor. as the story is said,

to jeannette and yos, a minister, you'll have galant, whatever we can do to support you. there's no signs of any stopping of the war on the people of gaza. is that yes, that is. unfortunately, there are no, as many signs of subbing this genocide think does of what i want to happen. i want to enter this genocide and goes on and not only this genocide, but i also want this conflict to the end to end once i'm sort of redoing $24.00. so we don't want to china and russia to engage in a war against the west. i don't, so then what will, what will happen because netanyahu and congress said he wanted men to the war to a presumably the way once award. you add these went be with the extermination of every man, woman and child in gaza. of course, of course, as a once peace in the region, only when there are no pet assuming is in the region, they want to piece based on according to their own, an ideal to g. and as long as your hope with the badging declaration,

that the resistance is uh, we really have, i don't really have hopes on a china or russia. and unfortunately, i wish there is a bigger role that they can play. i don't have much hope on them to be honest. what do we have seen into china? i've recently, when they, the district conciliation between the practicing infections is a good to say, i encourage that, but at the same time, i don't have much hope because we have seen a lot of the considerations that happen between the purchasing infections never came to add to a to to life actually. so i have a lot of folks, but unfortunately this tuition is very meek and i really want to rush around to china to be involved in this conflict. the forces that i have to stop the pressure is that i to stop by don't think pressure and to try and that will engage in a war against us. right? just stopped. so we just have to wait for this american seas, but i mean, what did it make you feel when you saw the united states invest as the united

nations then to thomas greenfield, put her hand up to veto. is these 5 resolution of the security council, or they wouldn't do that? of course they would do that because i view america. i feel that you, i view the us as partners to us are there? no they're, they're no much different. they're the same people for me as the usa, they are the same country that is wedging of genocide. they get the against the policy that people to america with its weapons, with its diplomacy, with its coverage, they have enabled as their end to commit the genocide. so of course it would be 2, and then there would be to any decision to enforce ceasefire and in gaza. this is expected of them and it's very sad. it's very, very sad that the u. s. is in a blink is right, but they made it very clear that as there is a friend and there are a lie and the support thing is there no matter what. so i wasn't surprised. it just made me angry. but at the same time, i'm not surprised, but it's so do you think the last name pag just finally?

i mean, so many of your family died as, as much as for palestine, but actually the last, the impact will be instability in their own countries in the united states, in western europe, in britain. because the populations that the united states and britain support will seem to support you and don't support that government. i don't want to see in a submitted to you in the west. i just want the was some governments to stop it's complicity against the policy and people against disability and people didn't cause i just want think of them is a change for us because if they don't to change course, i don't think it's will help them or what their people, the people in the west are waking up and i don't think the people will what's up a lot with the complicity of their governments against the people inside of science . so i just one of these governments to change course now and forever. luckily although thank you. i thank you very much and that's it for the show. i continued

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