in bed, just weeks before the democratic national convention in august. but just before netanyahu addressed these rail, lovely bankrolled, politicians in washington, the aging declaration reside in china by 14, by the same factions, including a mazda in front of uniting the resistance in nature, a nation of israel. joining me is a man who knows the reality of a legal u. k. u. s. u armed occupation, 1st hand born in 1994 and the are all about gaza. hockman they'll know, cuz in june of a 2 decades of israel's aggression, the murder of his brother, i'm and in 2014, drove him to tell his story and create. we are not numbers a platform amplifying god's invoices. he joins me now from london. thank you. so much for coming on the show just before we get to and then ya, whose address this week and the other issue is just remind us when israel has done to your family, well, is there a that has done to my family what it has been doing for the past 76 years, so the processing and people have been massacring the palestinians, ethnically cleanse,

and on them as they were sleeping in their homes. this is what's happening to my family. my family were sleeping in their home in a safe area. instructed by is, are, and when and is there any bum wasn't dropped on my family, couldn't going of them 21 members of my family where to slow to or where mess occurs while they were sleeping in their beds. my father, my brother is my sister's and my 14 nieces and nephews or all the children under the age of 13. this what has this is what's happened to my family in october last year. and actually these are the immediate family members. i have lost and this will, but i lost count this others of the extended family members. i don't know the number of how many people i have lost. the family members, relatives, friends. and i lost count. and this is what has been ongoing for the past 9 months and goes on the total destruction of the infrastructure, the total lack of accountability and massa grays,

destruction of hospitals and schools, neighborhoods icon. no matter how hard i tried to send you what's going on and goes on board. so once the surface, i mean uh what's it like actually being in london knowing that this uh, already unpopular pregnant. it's just, it gets down to insist on supplying weapons and that, and yahoo own in the past few days is fine. secretary david allow me, he's 1st drip us to see that and yeah, over a photo. cool. said we have to keep supplying the weapons. do you think any of these british weapons killed your family? or of course, i know for sure that these a bridge travelers killed my family. i know that my somebody was killed by an a 16 or a 6 or a 35, a bumper. and we know for a fact that the parts of these weapons parts of these vehicles have carried the boom to my family, had parts of these forms such as my family were manufactured in d. okay. and in the us and some other european found the other european countries.

so we know for sure for a fact that part of the bomb that because my family was manufactured in the u. k. and this is no surprise to us. we know that the u. k. has been complicit and toward impact of science since the inception of as red as 7 to 6 years ago. it is the okay that give us are the best for the collaboration in which they give them what they don't phone and they give them the lives of pel, assigned to homes, the pat assigned to the scientists. and unfortunately for the past 76 years, the u. k and the u. s. has been, have been complicit in these wars and gods, but they never apologize for the wrong doing. so they've done on palestine, and more than that they had been right before, i think, is there a not only with the women, great to kill us, but also with the dramatic cover with the media cover, with everything that is where it disappears with everything is there anything is on more than that, they're also looking at the i, c, j and c a from investigating the war trends in gaza. why does your, why do you think the case number and david allow me to do it as a, uh, is it money?

is it the ignorance, is it? what's the reason for them supporting what is being called by these sorts of quotes of genocide? plausible genocide. i don't know what the, what to drive them to do it. that's about a dozen spots or whatever, whatever justification they have. it doesn't really matter what matters is that they are providing. is there a with what 10 to providing is or even to promote, to cover with me just coverage in order to mess up for the innocent people who cause a bad assign them no matter what the execution is. it can come up with it doesn't really matter. and i don't really want to go into details on why do they do that? but the, what matters is the, the outcome and the outcome is harder. but it's some semester because genocide is genocide against the people in gaza. you close at decades. what makes it different this time, and perhaps it is worse than even the not what we're witnessing is that the media,

which you alluded to, is continuing its usual role in britain, the bbc and so on. but the people have written don't support the agendas that they want to seize at ceasefire. how is it, do you think that both in washington, the protest is outside the capital building? when that me, i was speaking the people of britain as a weekly, almost protests, have managed to know the truth, despite what the major has been telling them about what's been happening to guys and, and what's been happening in jerusalem. but it tells you a lot actually it tells you that the people in the okay and the us on definitely no, no, they're buying this plan. oh, there was to meet, you know, don't there like they no longer believe the misinformation and bit mr. presentation of the policy that people in the media and there are defying the media there, depending on the, the, the, the policy and media or the mutual me, those tentative media. that's it. and that's as, as a broad thing in the west right now with all of it also tells you to what kind of

a democracy with it then what kind of democracy we live in. if, if the, if the people in the okay. and we know for a fact that the majority of the people in the u. k. so forth a ceasefire. the majority of the people into you please support the processing is rides the, the, the quality, the freedom of the patterson and people. and none of that is scared his armor and his government and the previous government. and that's wasn't that you will get, did not in this and, and did not live up to the responsibilities the have to does not listen to the people that are present. and that tells you a lot about the democracy, the faith democracy that we have, the fake of freedom that we have in the west. and the width is not as a free, as it promotes, they're not democratic as they promote. and there's only an establishment of elite and politically leads that govern the u. k. and we have a deep to say that governs what, what, what, whatever comes to the add add to the foreign policy. and no matter how hard, no matter how much there is a change in the government when it comes to the firm. but as the unfortunately,

especially when it comes to palestine, is there a, is governments want to change a lot and this is not the setup price. we have known before that before data summer, but it came to bar. we know that's when he came to power. he will not do a lot for change, it will not make any difference because for them it's all, it's all the same. and so what, what does it make you feel when say, for a goal keen of the bbc broadcasts, they put out a piece in which 24 year old mom with the red down syndrome was killed. the jack, my dogs and the piece basically said, or a dog. and the beast basically said he died, which is often a refrain that comcast guy news and rupert murdoch's to tv use. but it made me angry. it made me really angry at that time because i never expected that the bbc have a corrupt they do have a crude ha, you might have to remind our audience what this case was because it's just one that draws to have so many yes, it's one of many, many atrocities it was of

a person with down syndrome and he was beaten by jobs of the is where the army, when they invaded his home, and they force their family, his family to leave the house. and then they made the dogs bite them until he died . then he was killed of this kind of service for you this, this it's, it was a savage barbarian attack when a person with disabilities. and how did the bbc covered that and said that lonely this of a palestinian, just the lonely just about us and yet, but i was, i was i, we actually because it showed how cool the bbc is right now. and but i wasn't surprised because this is how it would be c had had always covered the then use it for me is right. but a sign the palestinians have always been described when, when they're brutally killed, the bbc would always say, palestinians die. and when is where it is killed, that would always say, they were killed,

there were massacred. and i did my dissertation on the bbc coverage on pad assign, actually have a notice for effect all the books. i have read all the research that has been done in the bbc coverage and by the side, or most of them say that the bbc's very biased when it comes to is there a then by this time? so i wasn't surprised, but i was very angry that despite the genocide that take, that's taking place in gaza, despite the 10s of thousands with children and women and men who are civilians killed in a brutal way in a barbarian way. the bbc still continues to cover the news in a very, very biased way and for what's, what's the defense as are in this country that that kills the civilians. atkins, children, that's because women that goes and assigns men it's, it's really shameful. it's really, really shameful. a shameful, and it's time that the rich people to wake up to this. i mean the, this, the bbc did change the headline and said the idea of what were involved in the kidding i. but it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter because is the media always the

1st impression and the media always, it stays forever. when they publish the 1st assorted this, what both matters and the change of the after a lot of pushback from people from the audience. so i figured this out and they attacked the bbc for doing so, but they have done multiple, they have done countless of mistakes like this before and people did not pay attention to it. during this in britain, the same kind of media propaganda about beheaded babies, rape used. this was across british media and the all the got go newspapers the, the fake news of the for to be headed babies was in almost all over the, from the covers over the newspapers here. and there was and people until now actually this slide was the bunk and many times ago, but the media center did not apologize. it's not correct. the mistakes they have talked a lot, a lot of lies and they be based and often that's what's completely a lie misinformation. they have reported these fake news and they never apologized

for it. and this is a better. this is the pattern that the was the media has always used. when did scribe pat assign palestinians die, they simply die or miss misplaced themselves, or just happened to die independent at that. so we can use our master code, and you think people should protest, have bbc had courses. what would you say to these john? this, i should say, i used to work at the bbc. but what would you say to these drugs? because a brittany is uh, it will cost environment. they band russian television, a bad chinese television. they band american television in from bro gust defacto in britain. i would tell them to wake up because they have coverage kids to become the bbc and other ministry media. and there was kills the palestinians, they are complicit in the water tribes, and by the same data complicit in the genocide, they would tell them to wake up because history will not forgive them. it will be a written down in history that the bbc and the mr. menissi media, they enabled the genocide they are a genocide enabling, is there

a would never be able to commit these genocide these 40 crimes without the uh, the cover of the color and the silver was provided to them by the ministry media. so i would like to call them, i want them to, to, to watch the news, to watch the videos that come from goes on to be shaken to their core. because those who are being killed and goes to our humans, their, our brothers and sisters and children and these people should not be killed in despair, barked with children should never be killed. people with disabilities would not be bitten by dog by dogs. and this was not only a case with dogs beating or biting the palestinians. many, many of these of, of these cases where were proven into media a women and old women was, was beaten by a dog before. as we have seen, a video of that, we have seen a lot of the children, a lot of a lot of body barts for children who were killed intentionally. and also

a few days ago, there was a doctor who spoke to the media and he to and medic, and doctor and who, who say once he so talk man, i'll know, i'll have to stop you that more from the co founder of we're not numbers after this break the they are probably her, my little sister store. okay. the model girl to i got you. no problem. seeing that on the out of the no, nothing. 30 minutes. yeah. side of the drive i showed my brother through, he was sudden to tell people for a lo so now i never look at searches as being the same. well, i guess i lost my list. that's the outcome of chicago. police. it'd be gang chicago is like, you'd be a photo that police usually take your life as another crime for another

one. could have been a doctor or nurse could have been the next president. we can't keep losing people i of the life from this day one been even the convention was being drafted in early 19th. the united states was very clear that they could not take any action that would affect it, its economy. they did not allow climate negotiations to make progress, and they did not take strong targets based on this fashion based on that as part of the emissions. the kept that i can defeat and camp and what the responsibility on

china and india and other developing countries. the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the co founder of will not numbers ask with hope no hardware they, i really interrupted you in the end of the one you were about to tell you a story about a surgeon in gaza. a yes, the surgeon, he wasn't garza, he was a 3 thing doing surgeries and goes on. he told the media that the kind of for the to ceiling cost on that he has seen in garza the cartridge that's happening in garza. he never so an equivalent of that in the modern history has been to many war, many words before many earthquakes, but you see he said that of everything that he has seen and his entire life doesn't

match what he has seen and goes on the 1st a few weeks when he went there and told that kids, children, what is night, they were killed intentionally. why those are in the army, this is what's happening cause this is what has become the fact. unfortunately, that was send me that doesn't cover that as they should. in fact, they are complicit and covering of for as right. we know i want to keep the palestinian writer edward said the importance of culture. that's a, that's how west and you are begin to understand the importance of culture and therefore cultural censorship. so as well as media censorship. i mean, do you think you can tie in? i mean, your project, we are not numbers people, it's of culture in that way. to why say, we didn't hear really about on a donation media about the aging declaration, the unity of resistance. finally, a file of state and it's coming together over here occasionally is palestinians die

the scores because this is what the media wants to know. the wants to to know everything the, the, what's the media wants to do. and what i thought about his son is when palestinians die is when the palestinians and may be don't you and attack one is right. they would never tell you about the culture of, of the history of pat, assign the history of the palestinians have been living in these times for hundreds of years for millennia. and unfortunately, this is what the media intends to do. and this is what we are trying to the fi uh through the work of we are not numbers. we tried to defy the with send media away, breaking the stereotypes that the open house on the palestinians within the stories of of the other thing is when they're struggling. we also tell the stories of the palestinians in a bright way. we tell the culture we told the history we until the so the civilization of the policy and people beat to a human a story is behind the numbers actually open, see, and then use and there were submitted. and this is very important because when people read about us, they will realize how much we are similar to each other. unfortunately,

there was send me to demonize is the processing and all the time, the processing is of the demons. and this, what makes the people the audiences and the wisdom of care much about the sun because they would think of us as we are different. we're not different. we are humans just like everyone else. in fact, we are and we are an amazing people. we are talented, we have power for resilience. we are, we are very ancient people. we have been living there for thousands, a few years. we are the cause of civilization. we have a history. but is it all the more important then to demonize palestinians as rapists? hence the stories that were from page and use in nature, nation media, and all the more important for british american and european union weaponry, then to target everything better than to civilization. i think you've talked before about how many no, no need doctors would, professes all the universities of gaza as well as the hospitals you'll find that was in construction. that's engineering. building every element of civilization of

the palestinians must be wiped out by these nato weaponry. luminated lumps, of course, is when is there a last this genocide on the policy and the people that did not target the mass? people did not target the militants. they were very concise with what they do and they wanted, so to destroy the infrastructure to go so they wanted to destroy and rethink that gives way of life to the people and goes on. so from the beginning of this genocide, this started bumping and targeting university professors and the the, the most have permanent doctors in gauze right now. the, the number of health care workers who have been killed by is there instances genocide exceeded 500 people buy from the doctors and nurses and health care professionals. over a 160 journalists were targeted, what they're covering, then use it from gaza and they have been coming all the told from minute to professors in gaza. it says that they're doing this because they,

they wanted to other people and go so that you don't have a way of living can cause i and the, the policy maybe would have to do because this is ester nick lensing genocide. and it's like cleansing over the policy and people and how can they do it? think it ends in getting garza without destroying the infrastructure without destroying those, the permanent people that give way of life and goes to like health care workers and doctors and professors and teachers. they have to do that so that the people in because i need cause and whatever. so this is manufactured, it's a plant. they know exactly what they're doing. they're not just getting by mistake . they're not just sitting, can think unintentionally. they know what they are getting when they bump my family than you who was in my, in my home, and the bone that none the less than you that there is. but is one of the safe areas that was instructed by is, are and, and in october, but the boom, my family, when they were sleeping in their homes, they know what they're doing. and they're doing it intentionally because they want to destroy everything that gives way of life. to garza. and obviously,

the top side of guys has been destroyed the museums, the archaeology, rather than in some way that the anglo american israel, back to war and syria, where they tried to destroy palomino. and when does it the world? how, how did it help you to write and create the co found we in the numbers of to your brother's death? my my, my brother, but it was built in 2014 and the last 4 and the previous sporting goes on 2014. and what struck me at that time is that someone who spoke english, i realize that there was the media doesn't care much about the policy is really just numbers with no one cares about us. no one cares about the resort as we have just described as the service and the media. and then i was, i was asked by an american journalist who cares about about a senior sort of story about my brother then writing the, the story about my brother, the process of writing a story about my brother and then sharing it with the world was some sort of

therapy to me it was setup should take to right. and then we, we started to know we decided to would definitely catch what's happened with media . this american, german, this with many other palestinians. and 2 big the stereotypes to get the policy is up to lots for which they really own to tell their stories without the medium is that is a bit misrepresentation or, or miss information, a platform in which the policy is comes right. there's so is it, is it on hand or just just to be themselves and describe for i'm no, i'm not sure how much of hollywood or british publish is made to publish its own, but who mode. okay, actually if gotten onto eh, redressing this balance as regards the culture aside from culture though, the lot of talk of multi polar world and a different era we're entering. do you think we could ever see russia in china or into the war on the side of the palestinians?

or do you expect this present war to read your final genocidal conclusion as well to believe it or not? i don't want to rush on to china to come into water because this will bring like a world war 3 or something. what i want is an end of the genocide and of this must occur at the end of this conflict between as written and published. but, you know, britain continues on the ticket as tom was saying, he wants to continue boring the weapons. and you know that trump, and kamala harris, who receives a upwards of $5000000.00 from the, is really low, be a back if you didn't know, you know, you know, the gym and the foreign minister of good for this week was with the british, british defense minister, the gym, and the mentors the story is said to jeannette and yos, a minister, you'll have galant, whatever we can do to support you. there's no signs of any stopping of the war on

the people of gaza. yes, that is a. unfortunately, there are no, as many signs of subbing this genocide thing does of what i want to happen. i want to enter this genocide and cause i not only of this genocide, but i also won this conflict to the end to end once on forever. we don't one tours, we don't want to china and russia to engage in a war against the west. i don't. so then will will what will happen because netanyahu and congress said he wanted and then to the war to a, presumably the way once award. you add this went be with the extermination of every man, woman and child in gaza. of course, of course, as a once peace in the region, only when there are no pettis enhancing the region they want to piece based on, according to their own, an ideal to g. and as long as you hope with amazing declaration, that the resistance we really have, i don't really have hopes on a china or russia. and unfortunately, i wish there is

a bigger role that they can play. i don't have much hope on them to be honest. what do we have seen into china? i've recently, when they did this reconciliation between the practicing infections is a good to say i encourage that, but at the same time, i don't have much hope. because we have seen a lot of the considerations that happen between the purchasing infections never came to add to a to, to life actually. so i have a lot of fluids, but unfortunately this tuition is very weak and i really want to rush around to china to be involved in this conflict. the forces that i have to stop the pressure is that i to stop by don't think pressure and to try and i will engage in a war against us for i just stopped. so we just have to wait for this american seas, but i mean, what did it make you feel when you saw the united states invest as the united nations then to thomas greenfield, put her hand up to veto. is these 5 resolution of the security council, or they wouldn't do that? of course they would do that because i view america,

i few that you i view the us as partners to us are there? no they're, they're no much different. they're the same people for me as the u. s. a. they are the same country that is wedging of genocide again, but against the policy that people to america with its weapons, with its diplomacy, with its coverage, they have enabled as their end to commit the genocide. so of course that would be to and then there would be to any decision to enforce the ceasefire and in gaza. this is expected of them and it's very sad. it's very, very sad that the u. s. is in a blink is right, but they made it very clear that as there is a friend and there are lie and the support thing is there no matter what. so i wasn't surprised. it just made me angry. but at the same time, i'm not surprised, but it's so do you think the last name pag just finally? i mean, so many of your family died as, as much as for palestine, but actually the last big impact will be instability in their own countries in the

united states, in western europe, in britain because the populations of the united states and britain support well seem to support you, i'm doing support their government. i don't want to see in a submitted to you in the west. i just want the was some governments to stop it's complicity against the policy and people against the civilian people didn't cause i just want the governments to change parts because if they don't to change course, i don't think it's would help them or what their people, the people in the west are waking up and i don't think that people will, but a lot with the complexity of their governments against the people in part of science. so i just one of these governments to change course now and forever. luckily on. ok, thank you. a thank you very much, and that's it for the show. i continued condolences to all those very by you k u. s . u, i'm genocide will be back on monday with formal united nations assistant secretary general, michael on the showing bugging tool. then keep in touch,

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