me here the i'm action or time. see welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. e. this week you guys are, will coordinate, have benjamin netanyahu receive here as welcome in the us congress, but just outside the capital building. thousands protested the us enabled genocidal war and garza and the complicity of joe biden finally forced to quit his re election bid just weeks before the democratic national convention in august. but just before netanyahu addressed these rail, lovely bankrolled politicians in washington, the aging declaration resided in china by 14 val assigned factions, including a mazda and fall into uniting the resistance in nature. a nation of israel. joining me is a man who knows the reality of a legal u. k. u. s. u armed occupation,

1st hand born in 1994 and they are all about gaza. awkward, they'll know, cuz in june of a 2 decades of israel's aggression, the murder of his brother, i'm and in 2014, drove him to tell his story and create will not numbers a platform amplifying god's invoices. he joins me now from london. thank you so much. for coming on the show, just before he gets in then yeah, whose address this week and the other issue is just remind this one. israel has done to your family as well as the right. it has done somebody, somebody wants, it has been doing for the past 76 years. so the processing and people, it has been massacring the palestinians, ethnically, cleanse them on them as, as they were sleeping in their homes. this is what's happened to my family. my family were sleeping in their home in a safe area and started by is are and when and is there any bomb was dropped on my family, couldn't going of them 21 members of my family where to slow to or where mess

occurs while they were sleeping in their beds, my father, my brother is my sister's and my 14 nieces and nephews or all the children under the age of 13. this what has this is what's happened to my family in october last year. and actually these are the immediate family members. i have lost and this will, but i lost count as others of the extended family members. i don't know the number of how many people i have lost family members, relatives, friends. and i lost count. and this is what has been ongoing for the past 9 months, and garza, the total destruction of the infrastructure, the total lack of accountability and massa graves, destruction of hospitals, the schools neighborhoods icon. no matter how hard i try to send you what's going on and goes aboard. so once the surface, i mean uh what's it like actually being in london knowing that this uh, already unpopular prime minister as it gets down to insist on supplying weapons

netanyahu. and in the past few days is fine. secretary david allow me, he's 1st drip us to see that and yeah, over a photo. cool. said we have to keep supplying the weapons. do you think any of these british weapons killed your family? of course, i know for sure that the separate shrub has killed my family. i know definitely somebody was killed by an a 16 or 6 or a 35 a bumper. and we know for a fact that parts of these weapons parts of these vehicles that carried the boom to my family had parts of these forms such as my family were manufactured into u. k. and in the us and some other european found the other european countries. so we know for sure for a fact that part of the bomb that does my family was manufactured in the u. k. and this is no surprise to us. we know that the u. k. has been complicit in the world and by this time, since the inception of, as right as 7 to 6 years ago, it is the okay that give is, are the best for it to flourish,

it in which they give them what they don't phone and they give them the lives of palestine, the homes, the power to sign to the zionist. and unfortunately for the past 76 years that you, okay, and the u. s. has been, have been complicit in these wars and gods, but they never apologize for the wrong doing. so they've done on palestine, and more than that, they had been a right before i think is right. and that's the only with the when been great to give us, but also with the diploma cover with the media cover with everything that is what it does up here with everything. is there anything, it's more than that. they're also looking at the i, c, j and r c c a from investigating the war times and gaza. why do your, why do you think the case number and david allow me to do it at a, a, is it money? is it the ignorance? is it, what's the reason for them supporting what is being called by these sorts of quotes of genocide, plausible genocide. i don't know what, what to drive them to do it. that's about a dozen spots or whatever,

whatever justification they have. it doesn't really matter what matters is that they are providing. is there a with what tend to provide think is what it would come out to cover with me just coverage in order to muscle for the innocent people to cause a bad aside. and no matter what they choose, as they can come up with, it doesn't really matter. and i don't really want to go into details on why do they do that? uh, but the what matters is the, the outcome and the outcome is harder, but it's some semester because genocide, this genocide, against the people in gaza, you close at decades. what makes it different this time? and perhaps it is with the even the, not quite what we're witnessing is that the media, which you alluded to, is continuing its usual role in britain, the bbc and so on. but the people of written don't support the agendas that they want to seize at ceasefire. how is it, do you think that the both in washington, the protest is outside the capital building?

with many i was speaking the people of britain, the weekly illness protests, have managed to know the truth despite what the media has been telling them about what's been happening to guys and, and what's been happening in jerusalem. but it tells you a lot actually it tells you that the people in the okay and the us on definitely i'm no longer buying this plan. oh, there was to meet, you know, don't there like they no longer believe the misinformation and bit mr. representation of the policy that people in the media, and there are defying the media there, depending on the, the, the, the policy and media or the news from it, though tentative media, that's it. and that's as, as a broad thing in the west right now with all of it also tells you to what kind of a democracy with it then what kind of democracy we live in. if, if the, if the people in the okay. and we know for a fact that the majority of the people in the u. k. so forth a ceasefire. the majority of the people into you please support the processing is rides the, the quality, the freedom of the processing and people. and none of that is scared,

his armor and his government and the previous government. this wasn't the okay, did not in this and, and did not live up to the responsibilities the have to does not listen to the people that are present. and that tells you a lot about the democracy, the faith democracy that we have, the fake of freedom that we have in the west. and the width is not as a free as it to promote. so they're not democratic as they promote. and there's only an establishment of elite and politically leads that govern the u. k. and we have a deep to say that governs what, what, what, whatever comes to the add to the foreign policy. and no matter how hard no matter how, how much there is a change in the government when it comes to the firm, but as the unfortunately, especially when it comes to palestine, is there any, is governments want to change a lot and this is not the set or price, we have known before that before data summer, but it came to bar. we know that when he came to power, he will not do a lot for change. he will not make any difference because for them it's all,

it's all the same. and so what, what does it make you feel when say, for a go king of the bbc broadcasts, they put out a piece in which 24 year old mom with the red down syndrome was field attack my dogs and the piece basically said, or a dog and the beast basically said he died, which is often a refrain to comcast guy news, and rupert murdoch's to tv use. but it made me angry. it made me really angry at that time because i never expected that the bbc have a corrupt they do have a crude ha, you might have to remind our audience what this case was because it's just one that draws give so many yes, it's one of many many atrocities it was of a person with down syndrome and he was beaten by dogs of the is really the army when they invaded his home and they force their family, his family to leave the house. and then they made the dogs bite them until he died

. then he was killed of this kind of savage treat this, this it's, it was a savage barbarian attack when a person with disabilities. and how did the bbc covered that and said that lonely this of a palestinian just lonely, just about a senior. but i was, i was, i, we actually because it showed how crude the bbc is right now. and but i wasn't surprised because this is how it would be c had had always covered the then use it for me is right. but a sign the palestinians have always been described when, when they're brutally killed, the bbc would always say, palestinians die. and when is where it is, are killed, that would always say, they were killed, there were massacred. and i did my dissertation on the bbc coverage on pad to sign accident and no disorder effect, all the books. i have read what the research that has been done in the bbc coverage and by the side or most of them say that the bbc is very biased when it comes to is there. and then by this time. so it wasn't started prize, but i was very and get that despite the genocide that take,

that's taking place and goes up despite tens of thousands with children and women and men who are civilians killed in a brutes and away in a bar burying away the bbc still continues to cover the news in a very, very biased way. and for us, what to defend, those are in this country that, that kills the civilians that kills the children. that's because women that goes innocent men it's, it's really shameful. it's really, really shameful, a shameful, and it's time that the rich people to wake up to this. i mean this, the bbc did change the headline and said the idea of what were involved in the beginning. i but it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter because the media always the 1st impression and the media always just stays forever when they publish the 1st assorted this what, what matters on the change of the after a lot of pushback from people from the audience. so i figured this out and they attacked the bbc for doing so, but they have done multiple,

they have the countless of mistakes like this before and people did not pay attention to it. during the in britain, the same kind of media propaganda are about beheaded babies, rape used. this was across british media and the all got the newspapers the, the fake news of the for to be headed babies was in almost all over the, from the covers over the newspapers here in the west. and people until now actually this slide was the bunk. and many times ago, but the media center did not apologizes, not correct the mistakes they have talked a lot. a lot of lies a baby based and often that was completely a lie missile information they have reported these fake and use and they never apologized for it. and this is a better, this is the popular and thought the was and media has always used. when did scribe, pat assign purchasing is die, they simply die or miss misplaced themselves, or just happened to die into part of that. so we can use our master code, and you think people should protest,

have bbc have courses. what would you say to these? uh, john this, i should say, i used to work at the bbc. but what would you say to these drugs? because the britain was the, it will cost environment. they've bad, russian television, they've bad chinese television. they band american television in from bro, gus, defacto and britain. i would tell them to wake up because they've coverage kids because they're doing the bbc and other ministry media and that was kills the palestinians. they are complicit in the water times and by the same data complicit in the genocide, they would tell them to wake up because history will not forgive them. it wouldn't be written down in history that the bbc and the miss mendecy media. they enabled the genocide they are a genocide enabling, is there a would never be able to commit these genocide these 40 crimes without the uh, the cover of the color distiller was provided to them by the ministry media. so i would like to call them, i want them to, to, to watch the news,

to watch the videos that come from goes on to be shaken to their core because those to are being killed and goes to our humans. they're our brothers and sisters and children, and these people should, must be killed in despair. birth with children should never be killed. people with disabilities should not be bitten by a dog by dogs. and this was not only a case of dogs beating our bites in the palestinians. many, many of these of these cases where were improving and to meet a women. an old woman was, was beaten by a dog before. and we have seen a video of that. we have seen a lot of the children looked of a lot of body barts for children who were killed intentionally. and also a few days ago there was a doctor who spoke to the media and he to and medic, and doctor and who, who said once he so talk man, i'll know, i'll have to stop you bad more from the co founder of we're not numbers after this break, the,

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any action, definitely affected its economy. they did not allow climate negotiations to make progress. and they did not take strong targets based on this fashion based on that as part of the emissions of the camp that i can defeat and camp and what the responsibility on china and india and other developing countries the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the co founder of will not numbers ask with all those hardware that i really interrupted you in the end of 51. you were about to tell you a story about a surgeon in gaza. a yes, the surgeon, he wasn't garza, he was uh operating doing surgeries and goes on, he told the media that the kind of forward that he's eating costs are that he has

seen in garza the cartridge that's happening in garza. he never so an equivalent of that in the modern history has been to many war, many words before and many earthquakes. but you see, he said that all everything that he has seen in his entire life doesn't match what he has seen and goes on the 1st a few weeks when he went there, it told that kids, children, what is night, they were killed intentionally. why those are in the army, this is what's happening cause this is what has become the fact. unfortunately that was send me that doesn't cover that as they should. in fact, they are complicit and covering of for as right. we know i want to keep the palestinian writer edward said the importance of culture that's, that's how west and you are begin to understand the importance of culture and therefore cultural censorship. so as well as media censorship. i mean do you think you can tie in? i mean your project, we are not numbers people,

it's of culture in that way to why say, we didn't hear really about on a donation media about the aging declaration, the unity of resistance. finally, a file of state and it's coming together over here occasionally. is palestinians done i of course, because this is what the media wants to know. the wants to to know everything the the what's the media wants to do. and what i thought about his son is when palestinians die is when the palestinians and may be a donkey. and a tech one is right. and they would never tell you about the culture of the history of pat assign. the history of the palestinians have been living in these last for hundreds of years for amelia. and unfortunately, this is what the media intends to do, and this is what we are trying to defy. and through the work of we are not numbers . we tried to defy the was send media away, breaking the stereotypes at the open house on the palestinians, within the stories of the palace. thing is when they're struggling. we also tell the stories of the palestinians in

a bright way. we told the culture we told the history we until the so the civilization of the policy and people be to assume any stories behind the numbers actually open, see, and then use and there were submitted. and this is very important because when people read about us, they will realize how much we are similar to each other. unfortunately, the, what's the need to demonize is the processing and all the time, the processing is, are the demons. and this, what makes the people the audiences and the wisdom of care much about that assign because they would think of us as we are different. we're not different. we are humans just like everyone else. in fact, we are and we are an amazing people. we are talented, we have power for resilience. we are, we are very ancient people. we have been living there for thousands, a few years. we are the cause of civilization. we have the history is a little more important than to demonize palestinians as rapists. hence the stories that were from page and use in nature, nation media,

and all the more important for british american and european union weaponry, then to target everything rather than just civilization. i think you've talked before about how many no, no need doctors would, professes all the universities of gaza as well as the hospitals. your father was in construction. that's engineering. building every element of civilization of the palestinians must be wiped out by these nato weaponry. major lumps, of course is when is there a last this genocide on the policy? people did not target the mass. people did not target the militants. they were very concise with what they do and they wanted so to destroy the infrastructure of guns, or they wanted to destroy and rethink that gives way of life to the people and goes on. so from the beginning of this genocide, they started bumping and targeting university professors and but the, the most have permanent doctors in gauze are right now the number of health care workers who have been killed by is there instances genocide exceeded 500 people buy

from the doctors and nurses and health care professionals over a 160 journalists were targeted what they're covering. the news from garza and they have been telling all the told from me that the professors in gaza is that they're doing this because they, they wanted to other people and does it that you don't have a way of living, can cause i. and they the policy that people have to do because this is nick lynn saying genocide and they can think of the processing and people and how can they do it and they get your hands and getting garza without destroying the infrastructure without destroying those, the permanent people that giving way of life and goes to like health care workers and doctors and professors and teachers, they have to do that so that the people in because i need cause and whatever. so this is manufactured. it's a plant. they know exactly what they're doing. they're not just getting by mistake, they're not just sitting, can think unintentionally, they know, or they are coming. when they bump my family than you who was in my,

in my home and the boomed numberless, then you that there is. but is one of the safe areas that was instructed by is, are in and in october when the boom, my family, when they were sleeping in their homes, they know what they're doing. and they're doing it intentionally because they want to destroy everything that gives way of life. to garza and obviously the top side of guys has been destroyed the museums, the archaeology, rather than in some way that the anglo americans israel, back the war and syria where they try to destroy palomino. and when does it the world? how, how did it help you to write and create the co found we in the numbers of to your brother's death? my my, my brother, but it was built in 2014 and the last 4 in the previous sporting goes on 2014. and what struck me at that time is that someone who spoke english, i realize that there was the media doesn't care much about the policy is really just numbers with no one cares about us. no one cares about the resort as we have just described as the service and the media. and then i was,

i was asked by an american journalist who cares about about a senior sort of story about my brother then writing the story about my brother, the process of writing a story about my brother and been sharing it with the world was some sort of therapy to me it was setup should take to right. and then we, we started to, we decided to would definitely catch what's happened with media. this american journalist for many other palestinians to beg the stereotypes to give the policy is up to lots for which they really own to tell their story is without the medium is that is a bit misrepresentation or, or miss information. a platform in which the policy is comes right. there's. so is it, is it on hand or just just to be themselves and describe for i'm no, i'm not sure how much of hollywood or british publishers many to publish is owned

by who moved. okay. actually, i've gotten going to eh, redressing this balance as regards the culture aside from culture though, a lot of talk of multi polar world and a different era we're entering. do you think we could ever see russia in china or into the war on the side of the palestinians? or do you expect this present war to read your final genocidal conclusion as well to believe it or not? i don't want to rush on a china to come into water because this will bring like a world war 3 or something. what i want is an end of the genocide and of this must occur and into this conflict between as written and published. but, you know, britain continues under, so he has thomas saying he wants to continue boring the weapons. and you know, the trump, and kamala harris, who receives a upwards of $5000000.00 from the, is really low, be a back if you didn't know, you know, you know, the gym and the foreign minister who to this week was with the uh, british,

british defense minister, the gym, and the mentor as the story is said to jeannette and yos, a minister, you'll have gland, whatever we can do to support you. there's no signs of any stopping of the war on the people of guys. is that? yes, that is a unfortunately there are no, as many signs of subbing this genocide thing does have what i want to happen i want and into this genocide then cause i know not only this genocide, but i also won this confidence to the end to end once i'm sort of redoing 20 horse . we don't want to china and russia to engage in a war against the west. i don't so then. well, well, what will happen because netanyahu and congress said he wanted and then to the war to a presumably the way he was supposed to add. this went be with the extermination of every man, woman and child in gaza. of course, of course, as a once peace in the region, only when there are no pettis enhancing the region,

they want to be spaced on according to their own, an ideal to g. and so is your hope with amazing declaration that the resistance is, i don't really have, i don't really have hopes on a china or russia, and unfortunately, i wish there is a bigger role that they can play. i don't have much hope on them to be honest. what do we have seen in the china recently when they did this reconciliation between the processing infections is a good to say i encourage that, but at the same time, i don't have much hope. because we have seen a lot of the considerations that happen between the purchasing infections never came to add to a to, to life actually. so i have a lot of folks, but unfortunately the situation is very weak and i really want to rush around to china to be involved in this conflict. the forces that i have to stop the pressure is that i to stop by don't think russian to try and i will engage in a war against us for i just stopped. so we just have to wait for this american

seized, but i mean, what does it make you feel when you saw the united states and baptism united nations then to thomas greenfield, put her hand up to veto as these 5 resolution of the security council or they would do that, of course they would do that because i view america, i few, they use a view the us as partners to us are there? no they're, they're not much different. they're the same people for me as the u. s. a they are the same country that is waging good genocide. again, the guess about a senior people to america with its weapons, with its diplomacy, with its coverage, they have enabled as their end to commit the genocide. so of course that would be to and then they would be to any decision to enforce the ceasefire and in gaza. this is expected of them and it's very sad. it's very, very sad that the u. s. is in a blink is right, but they made it very clear that as an is friend under ally and the support thing is there no matter what. so i wasn't surprised. it just made me angry, but

a descent. i almost sort of price to break. so do you think the last name pag just finally? i mean, so many of your family died as, as much as for palestine, but actually the last, the impact will be instability in their own countries in the united states, in west and europe in britain because the populations of the united states and britain and support. well, seem to support you and don't support that government. i don't want to see in a submitted to you in the west. i just want the woodson governments to stop it's complicity against the policy and people against the civilian people didn't cause i just want think of armies to change force because if they don't to change course, i don't think it's would help them or what their people, the people in the west are waking off and i don't think the people will, but a lot with the complexity of their governments against the people inside of science . so i just one of these governments to change course now and forever. luckily,

although thank you. i thank you very much and that's it for the show. i continued condolences tool is very by you k u s u, i'm genocide, will be back on monday with formal united nations assistant secretary general, michael on the showing back until then keep in touch by the social media or it's not sunset in your country and had to a channel going underground tv hon to come to watch new and old episodes of going underground to monday the the

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