where they, because what that the whole is that by going public, that when the major audience eventually sees these have been sort of going to overdrive the gauge, the refinery because i'm very sure that it's not going to end with me. and as i said after i was the only one that was reached out to the point that you're gonna see more people coming up with these narratives. my jasmine, understand way of his life is coming from understand that is not, i know got mixed and i receive on the stand that it's, it's on. so the one i'm, it's a sponsored one from outside the continents it's, it's a sponsor of narrative by waste, an interest that category do not want africa to change. really. that one's, i forget exactly where it is. all right, thank you so much. david, one day investigative journalist, thank you for what you do and thank you for your insight to thank you for having by. that's the update. now, next is going on the ground. i see you again with most studies that some of the

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w. m. d. come on chief mazda sergeant, dennis fritz was at the heart of us. when that light was being forged, one that would kill wound or displace tens of millions of men, women and children. iraq was to be just the starts along with syria, lebanon libya, somalia, sit down in the and the ron dennis fritz advise the chapman of the joint chiefs of staff, general richard myers, and his us intelligent service redacted book deadly betrayal is out now. he joins me from gold, off in maryland. thank you so much for coming on. come on the chief sargeant. uh, it's an amazing terrific book despite these black marks all over it. i bet it just quickly ask you and laurie wilkerson, the former chief of stuff at the state department said it was an amazing book before we even read it. what was it like getting all these black marks of your book? almost tell you 1st of all, thanks for having me. and i must tell you, i was not surprised. you know, it's almost like who killed gas k. you know, other really space aliens. you know,

to be certain things that the pentagon just would not let out. so i wasn't surprised at all. now i will uh, here in a future date challenge those redactions, but i wanted to get the book out as soon as possible. so i did not challenger the meat late, but i think the american public and the world needs to know what was read that. i mean, the book is called deadly betrayal. the truth about why the us invaded iraq, could it equally be why the u. s. is attempting a legal regime change in iran, syria, so many other countries because of israel and not because of us national security. well, you're exactly right, but the reason i uh, i'm gonna say how i came up with a title of some 4500 military men and women were killed based on a lie. and that just really bothered me as a member of the armed forces. the united states for over 28 years said that those

lives were lost based on a live. also all the 100000 or so more that will be wonderful life. and the, even worse, you know, sometimes in a 1000000 iraqis that release killed or displaced and the up instructor destroyed. like all the deadly betrayal because of that, like now, why do i say that the reason why we've been in a rack as you mentioned those other countries are reg was just a 1st stage of us eventually going into syria. then i ran, as you all know, maybe it was taken off by local nato. but that was a part of the scheme as well, but what prevented us from going into syria. and then later on in iran, which we'll discuss later, was because of the back we got tied down because it is obviously, as you would probably remember in history you had. so i'm going to both administration saying, oh, it will be okay. well, we'll be welcomed with open arms. well, that didn't happen. and being sort of the rebel to us from actually carrying out the same thing that we try to do in a wreck. i mean,

there were honorable exceptions to those um, people who kept quiet, david kelly, the british government scientist who was a source on my b b. c program today. the today program in britain, which led to resignations of the director general of the bbc. and so, and you knew that there were lies going on when you were there in the top, the star of your book. is there mangled douglas feet? who is he? just people are fight. you want to get to know he is. and you way the 20 is to cool him out. what he hell do was to endanger, kill those 4 and a half 1000 service men and women. maybe you helped to do that. and the 10s of millions displays to the road. who is this man as well? let me tell you about douglas. by that time douglas bike was a number 3 individual independent gone. you had rumsfeld and workforce as deputy and then the uh, deputy volt policy, which the deputy was

a position that does by to build that let me tell you my background and my started how i i came into this but we get to the find because that's how i came into contact with the buyer as i was on active duty and military, of course we all throughout the world was startled by the 911 attacks and the united states. and so like any other country, we will word. i hate to say it, but some of us wanted revenge. and we thought that we had to retaliate against those that had attacked us. and so the military, we're all work. okay, we need to go to afghanistan. but we started here and after we had replaced the taliban, we started here and about deploying to a rack. and that was surprising to many of us in the military. we don't understand what the wreck have to do with 911. and i just could not see myself sending troops off to

a war that i did not believe in. and i remember sending an email to tell her that you wanted staff at the time, general myers and said, listen, i'm not understanding. i'm getting a lot of concern from the truth and saying, why are we going to our rec, what did they have to do with 911? and as i was getting from the kind of god, i knew many of both at the pentagon said to us i've had to a previously, i just didn't, couldn't buy it. and i decided to retire from the military. so that got vocally, speak out against the war. never really knowing why we would go into a rack at the time. i just had this good feeling. when we started hearing about w in days, i started asking folks, they've been gone. uh, have you seen any sign of saddam haven't w n dates and nobody could tell me? and so i decided to retire and i decided to step out and to disobey and we're all going to be able to protest worth you will. well, i was out of the pentagon in the military or few months and things wasn't going well for me in just a 1000000000 world. and i had a friend to contact me said rich,

we need you to come back to the pentagon. and i had been my life for 28 years and i gave it. but as i would tell, many of folks, you know, i believe in divine intervention and somehow i ended up working in that number 3, spot, undefined. and then our job was at the time because of the fact that the red ward was still across a parcel. it was going down in history parkway, the biggest born policy blunder body united states. uh, we were told that we needed to start the classify. most of the pre planning, all right, word documents. and because of my background i was uh selected uh for that change with the all those documents we felt under douglas by the time i knew little about the fight. but as i walked into the pentagon for 3rd time, there was a lot of dislike of best buy in the past, and my peers attempted to print a google, it's called a political,

what didn't get into the political world. but as i went back to the kind of got it was all political we could talk about the open service was this rarely spy? well, here's what always tell folks how i operate. i can give you an assumption. i can give you an opinion and i can give you a fax. now, i can't give you a fax, but i've been told by a number of sources that the a date was a spot. now what i can tell you the time that i was in the pentagon and what we call the office that go to the principal policy which does like ran a you had a lot of is rarely both one is getting it out of the pentagon at the time, i can also tell you that the most the best, most ready to go to run up to the war. each capital visual. i had a, an individual who they would talk to in general to keep them posted on what we're doing in regard to planning or the invasion of

a rep. and the point person that doug 5 is keeping in touch with was at the time b, b, nothing. yahoo was, i think at the time of the finance minister he was not at that particular time, pride management, but that's fine. which i can tell you is a fact. none of the pages, none of the something was keeping being at yahoo informed what was going on. like ha, if you was a spy, but i can tell you he had a lot of direct communication will be gone too. but besides that you might have to explain what far is for an agent registration? there would, would it not be? yeah, i'm goal unless if someone was doing stuff with another government in that way, shouldn't they be registering somewhere before they swimming around the can as well . this is, do you just have the nerves and you got a nerve? and a lot of us in the foreign policy, national security, a renter here in the united states. any other country? it will probably be criminal. oh, what's going on right now and in the past,

which is what i can tell you if you look at the history of this uh, john kennedy present, back in the sixty's. i attempted to want that for back to uh, registered down as a ford agent, anybody's working federal on behalf of business here in our country. and i can tell you it has not worked. uh, you know, the big elephant in the role. and i'm just gonna get right into it right now, is that the one to be our congress or whatever, but just raise it as an office at the time. a lot people like, you know here say best blood, our congress has bought and paid for by just really lobby. yeah. in your book, even mention of old people called lisa rice, criticizing your boss to douglas fight for carrying the mail for israel. i mean, that's a national security advisor at the time. she knew it was the address and care and the mail for the crew barney because it was really good and the nothing. yeah.

exactly. yes. yeah. if anyone thinks this book is just history, you say in the book that, um, uh you do, or at least you talk about the legal military presence in syria, under the guys these guys are fighting terrorism. many americans won't even know that a tell me about this occupation of syria and is that a hangover of of the allies cold? uh, uh, i suppose by is really proxies to uh, the us officials, uh, 20 years ago. almost. well, i'm glad you raised that point because as i mentioned earlier, the 8 the plan was to go into our records. and the reason behind our racket was because of the fact under the bill. platinum. it is the reason we have what we call every game policy change and that was not carried out during the clinton administration. and so when, once the bush administration came in, you know, filled with neil cods, they were going to use as a rationale to go in and,

and take out saddam on the so called we didn't change policy. now, syria was going to be next. when i was here with you, whether it be a wreck or syria, their sovereign countries, their sovereign countries. what right do we have 1st of all, to attack a rack and next ball what it gives us the right to be in syria, uninvited, by their government. and so that in itself is illegal. now the reason we are there under the so called disguise of the war on terrorism is to maintain some central control in syria. if it not, it will not work for us getting tied down in a wreck. as i stated earlier, but it certainly handled by the way we would have been serious, but to prevent that as well. rush or came into the, into the rescue

a syria to. so in order so we could expand further into syria. now, i've heard smoke say that we're in syria to protect the all wheel which is true. now i don't know that all is intended for, but i am told by sources. and when i say i'm told by sources, you know, that's what i'm giving an opinion because i don't know what to be tracked, but i feel i've been told by folks what lead that they're there to protect all the bills. or is me that they're legally there's being all sent to israel from the northern part of syria. okay. cheap. uh dear. on that klafonya $210.00 is fritz. how stuff you that i was talking about more from the author of. that'd be betrayal . the truth about why the united states evaded iraq after this break

the, [000:00:00;00] the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with retired. come on, the chief wants to charge and dentist for it before i really interrupted uh, come on to the chief warehouse beside you and tell you in talking about some reports from sources to you that uh, the oil being stolen from the syrian uh,

from syria today is for israel as part of what your book talks about as a capture of u. s. foreign policy by benjamin netanyahu and then a good buddy, and as well. yes. uh the getting back to uh, syria that we left off. uh, we can definitely say it, as i've mentioned before about opinions assumptions. in fact, i can give you a fact that we're not there or the so called war on terrorism. and so what i had mentioned earlier about the source is telling me were there to protect your old bills and some of the old leading into is re uh, i believe it to be true because i believe disorders and we have no other reason to be in syria. so going back to your original question, i want you to keep this in mind. the neo cons and is rarely lobby in regards to the middle east. is a long term strategy. this has been going on since the early 19 ninety's. and another reason i believe were up there is because of the fact that as long as the

it's rarely lobby, it has control over our government. if you will. they're always going to have that long term strategy of, of taking over the entire middle east on behalf of a visual. uh, you know, as you say, we're currently a illegally in syria. well, likewise, are their eyes are still on iran. that is the big kept right there. i ran and, and if you noticed like keywords, is there things about messaging with regards to what's going on and gaza right now . i mean, dropped the gun on you, but i just wanna make sure in regards what's going on in gaza right now when the whole fees are coming in, in support of the palestinian people are the, the finds it hard mazda is given, is what right now. and it has a lot written to join in with you here, but noticed one key thing you always here who's be backed by a ran as the law,

backed by a rant. you always a time read into that. why is that? but those ears will setting the stage of trying to get our support into attacking a ran, which has been a plan in their mind. but decades. given that you obviously realize, and as i said in your book on the leaves are right, seems to suggest israel. they must the public and have thousands of employees. when you are working there, it has thousands of employees today. do you think? it must be more than just the who realizes or detect this capture of u. s. foreign policy? i mean, how many people in the, by the administration where basically is rarely assets not working for the american people that working for the liquid party and telling me well, what i will tell you is that there was not many and there's not many now is just dried deal that they're putting strategic positions and locations throughout

government in may in leadership positions the us government in particular of the kind of god it consists of you do it all right. who is your up? sorry to interrupt with the commodity side you would love to. so it does feel like a conspiracy theory. obviously, you're talking about a few people there at the top and all these thousands of people, unaware that the sometimes sometimes as you said, thousands of us servicemen and women giving up their lives for this as well. and that's going to be under, under span, independent, gone, which a lot of people don't understand. just majority of career people, it's not associated, is what we call a political as beach magistrates and come back with their own personal agendas. you have government employees, the career employees, their job is to carry out that particular policy or agenda at the time now are

dissolved as i was exposed to some things that could possibly be unethical or illegal. so i'm do come out as whistle blowers, but guess what? episodes whistle blowers, you know, they're demonized. and so in most cases in government, what would be the department of state or the pentagon are 2 primary major nestles dirty hair disease. you know, those both have been there all their lives and they don't want to put their career, you know, a state, it takes a lot of guts and even me, you know, i'm not all that great. i've told many folks, if you've heard daniel ellsberg, i'm the coward, daniel ellsberg. and what i me back, i tell somebody adult say that, well, you know, when daniel ellsberg itself there is going that was about right. and kind of gone saying, hey, i'm talking to kind of god during the vietnam war here. you know, he released documents. why didn't do back. and when you said i waited 20 years, my hope was that some of this will really come out and say, hey, you know, this was a lie and it never happened. and so i can think about this for years in my original

go with this. and after 20 years of the rack more, you know, as i said, you bought a saw in my book in the interim. if the book has not been written, if you would like to read, then you'd want we'd, we'd want to write it. so that's what made me decide, okay, i got to find a publisher for this because of the fact you're not going to find people to speak out because they're really fearful of their career and they're not going to do that in regards to the military. we are going to say it, we're, we, we are so uh, a mock career minded and follow to take it unless we know for a fact they are illegal. so the military stays out of the politics of any particular administration that comes into the office at that particular time. so don't be surprised that of the thousands and thousands of people in fact kind of granted the largest office building in the world. but it's comprised mainly of

career government employees who carry out long as they don't see it as being a legal on the festival. now the, the legal things that may be happening, it's really counseling majority of the employees of the pentagon for the state department. and so they really don't know. and as i stated earlier, you know, we do have an administrative and coming to the person ministration at that particular time was probably the most corrupt, the right to the nation years was probably one of the most corrupt and most recent ever come in in regards to foreign policy and national security. we have, we don't know, we don't know actually what's happening on to the administration in fans and we will miss that else. but i'd be able to watch our interview with the late. that is, but again, is about his courage on a rumble channel, just on what you were talking about to syria, for instance, because it's still relevant. why would they have yeah, would they surprised that they were gonna lose because russia was gonna intervene to protect syria, really because it as a base and attack if, for instance, and,

and for other reasons. yeah. similarly with ukraine, i mean, do these, people don't realize that other countries are going to kick back at us imperialism . you know, the best part of the strategy list. this goes all the way back, i think 1998. and you may be familiar with this, and i always like explain things so we can assume that our audience understands everything was saying, as you alluded to, daniel ellsberg back in the 19 ninety's and paul, what boards and dick cheney and rumsfeld, well, part of this we have something that was a created called the project for the new american century called the phoenix. and they were planning back in and 1998 for world dominance. i did not care the times it was you mention about ukraine. their goal was to be to predominate world, and we can rush or to challenge china. china does not want more with us. we're the

ones that great the atmosphere at. yeah. we want to week in china, we want to region russia so that we can be the sole super power after. well, i could do this 10 years ago. i remember having a conversation with ben diploma chairman of don't use that. richard myers, and i stated that one day china and russia was going to get a go to get tired of us bank, and we can dominate the world. and then going to come together. and that's what happened in the case of up syria. china i rested, decided no more this, we're not going to have this. and so they decided that they were going to step in, in syria. likewise with china, you know, we, we had a one china policy. i called the parents because of the right. so like we're running away from that now, step of your policy wise and the people that we was, we were deal with china only when we started changing back where we're going to try to do everything we can to keep taiwan as a democracy. and in charlotte, china would say,

cuz they're still there territory that you can do about it. we're china and russia, north korea. but no career is no threat to us, but we want to dominate them. and so these bolts are coming together and saying, hey, no longer so did we take the boat, the neo cons? because i called the service. think that what happened now, based on the fact that they could dominate the world and roger and china were just going to sit back and do nothing. well they are, they know now and how does this information? i mean, i should say they pulled libby or off destroying for goods, richardson, capital country. how do they pull off to this information? uh, a strategy. they smear people. they, uh, they work with people, you know, the big media corporations, all the god, media corporations in the united states and around nato countries. how did they do it from your perspective? seeing it from the inside it, let me go back and say something that you had asked me earlier,

but also many polls and kind of gone in the state department and you know, lot more speaking out. but i must tell you that this is the most optimistic i've been in the last 20 years, a more people speaking out and more people learn what's going on in the past, how they were able to get away with it was this information, all the message. and to be frank with you, and i don't know how to take this, you know, in a negative way. but that it was very much, you know, the majority of the american people, they don't concentrate on foreign policy and how to get impact our national security. and how can i do impact us pick them out quickly. you know, as you probably know, you know, being familiar with on file culture and we allow our country to just give away $3700000000.00 per year. there's no, but it's more than that to a country. a country i will call is right. how can we allow that? why would we allow that?

when we say, in my particular case, explain it 20 years of my life in the military. when we see so many homeless veterans on districts of the united states of america are always the others that are not veterans that are on the streets of america. as homeless, how can we just do gigs, but what's happening now through social media because you alluded to earlier, the main street media there are bought and paid for by the guards as well. you know, they do messaging in support of those things they want to do. and so the american people and the world the world has seen it. you know, there's a lot of the news media a week and america. we were not seeing those things. only those of us that had the uh, the luck and the luxury of being inside the pentagon during the bush administration . listen, i know i did not know anything about the neo cons. airborne, even though i was in the military,

i was trying to follow the orders as far as the lead survey leadership and our commanders. and so until i got into the pentagon and started looking at how things were happening. you know, i, uh, best way to both of my eyes, but i was all alone. i had nobody i could talk to nobody. they believe me. you know, they believed every day to the 8 year old. uh, they just rarely bobby was saying that with, you know, what, i'm talking papers in front of our members of congress and administration. people believe that. and so i was alone. the only person i had to talk to larry works, advocate france, you know, over 15 years ago he was the only person you know, jack really talked to now was social media is dominating the news. now, more people are finding out about what has been happening and what's going on now, and that's why i just really love you. didn't really afraid. that's why. if i jump service on, you is rarely bobby's person to get rid of kicked on. that will tell you as an old guy, the young people loved when i say this, i have a tick tock net. i love to talk because you're getting real time information,

especially what's going on and gaza right now. g plus a 1000. that is read this. thank you, and that's it for the show. the new book, deadly betrayal. the truth about why the united states invaded iraq is i've never met to bring you new episodes every day monday until then keep in touch by the social media. if there's no sense in your country and to a title going, i'll be going to be on global dot com to let you know that besides going on, the grand caesar, the water is part of the lag. is it a party would posted?

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