[000:00:00;00] the, i'm not sure it has a welcome back to going underground rule. got a single around the world from the u. a, from gaza to ukraine, to china, who creates the obesity falls narratives pirated by faith joining lifts, bullets, politicians, and absurd geo political analyst. if you believe the gaza genocide is excused by october, the 7th that russia are invaded ukraine and an unprovoked attack. and the china wants to control all of our minds. you probably thought iraq had w. m d. come on chief mazda of sergeant dennis fritz was at the heart of us. when that light was being forged, one that would telemundo displays tens of millions of men, women, and children. iraq was to be just the starts along with syria, lebanon libya, somalia,

sit down on the and the ron dennis fritz advise the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general richard myers, and his us intelligent service redacted book. deadly betrayal is out now. he joins me from gold of in maryland. thank you so much for coming on. come on to the chief, but sargeant. uh, it's an amazing terrific book despite these black marks all over it. i better just quickly ask you and laurie wilkerson, the former chief of stuff at the state department said it was an amazing book before we even read it. what was it like getting all these black marks of your book? i almost tell you, 1st of all, thanks for having me. and i must tell you, i was not surprised. you know, it's almost like to kill gas k. you know, other really space aliens in order to be certain things that the pentagon just would not let out. so i wasn't surprised at all. now i will uh, here in the future. dave, challenge those redactions, but i wanted to get the book out as soon as possible. so i did not challenger the

meat late, but i think the american public and, and the world needs to know what was redact. i mean, the book is called deadly betrayal. the truth about why the us invaded iraq, could it equally be why the u. s. is attempting a legal regime change in iran, syria, so many other countries because of israel and not because of us national security. well, you're exactly right, but the reason i uh, let me just say how i came up with a title of some, 4500 military men and women were killed based on a lie. and that just really bothered me as a member of the armed forces. the united states for over 28 years, said that the, those lies were lost based on a live. also all the 100000 or so more that will be wonderful life. and the, even worse, you know, sometimes it a 1000000 iraqis that release killed or displays and the infrastructure destroyed by called

a deadly betrayal because of that light. now why do i say that the reason why we've been in a rack as you mentioned those, all the countries are reg, was just the 1st stage of us eventually going into syria. then i ran, as you all know, maybe it was taken off by local nato. but that was a part of the scheme as well, but what prevented us from going into syria. and then later on in iran, which we'll discuss later, was because of the back we got tied down because it is obviously, as you would probably remember in history, you had so many both administration saying automobile take walk will be welcomed with open arms. well, that didn't happen, and the insurgency rebel to us from actually carrying out the same thing we try to do in a rack. i mean, there were honorable exceptions to those. um, people who kept quiet, david kelly, the british government scientist who was this was on my bbc program today. the today program in britain,

which led to resignations of the director general of the bbc and so on. you knew that there were lies going on when you were there in the top. the star of your book is there mangle douglas feet? who is he? because people are fight. you want to get to know he is. and you way the 20 is to cool him out. what he hell do was to endanger, kill those 4 and a half 1000 service man and women maybe you help to do that. and the 10s of millions, just based in a row, who is this man? as well, let me tell you about douglas, by that time douglas bike was a number 3 individual independent guy and you had rumsfeld and workforce as deputy and then the deputy volt policy which but that was the position that does by itself . now let me tell you my background in my story, how i, i came into this but we get to the find because that's how i came into contact with the bike. uh, as i was on active duty and military,

of course we all throughout the world was startled by the 911 attacks until the united states. and so like any other country, we were word examples, some of one of the bands. and we felt that we had to retaliate against those that had attacked us. and so the military, we were all work. okay, we need to go to afghanistan. but we started here and after we had replaced the taliban, we started here in about deploying to a rack. and that was surprising to many of us in the military. we don't understand what the wreck have to do with 911, and i just cannot see myself sending troops off. well more than i did not believe in. and i remember sending an email to the camera, that jointed staff at the time, general myers and said, listen, i'm not understanding, i'm getting a lot of concern from the truth and saying, why are we going to our rec, what do they have to do at 911, and as i was getting from the kind of god under many adults at the pentagon said to

us, i've had to previously, i just didn't, couldn't buy it. and i decided to retire from the military. so that got vocally, speak out against the war. never really knowing why we would go into a rack at the time. i just had this good feeling. when we started hearing about w in days, i started asking folks, they've been gone. uh, have you seen any sign of saddam haven't w and dates and nobody could tell me? and so i decided to retire and i decided to step out and to disobey and we're all going to be able to protest work you will as well. i was out of the pentagon in the military or a few months and things wasn't going well for me in just a 1000000000 world. and i had a friend to contact is a rich. we need you to come back to the pentagon and i had been in my life for 28 years and i gave them. but as i would tell, many of folks, you know, i believe in divine intervention, and somehow i ended up working in that number 3,

spot, undefined. and then our job was at the time because of the fact that the, the i read was still across versatile. it was going down and used to be popular, the biggest born policy blunder body united states. uh. we were told that we needed to start the classify. most of the pre planning, i'll write word documents. and because of my background, i was uh selected for that change with the all those documents we felt under douglas by the time i knew little about the fine. but as i walked into the pentagon for 3rd time, there was a lot of dislike of dusk that point in the past of my peers after that kind of gone, brutal to called a political wouldn't get into the political world. but as i went back to the pedagogy was all political, we could talk about the other service was this is riley spy. well,

here's what always tell folks how i operate. i can give you an assumption. i can give you an opinion and i can give you a buzz back. now, i can give you a fact, but i've been told by a number of sources that the date was a spot. it is now what i can tell you the time that i was in the pentagon and what we call the office that go to the principal policy which does like ran uh you had a lot of is rarely bucks. one is getting it out of the pentagon. uh at the time. i can also tell you that the most the best, most ready to go to run it through the war. each capital visual uh had a, an individual who they would talk to individual to keep them posted on what we're doing in regard to planning or the invasion of a rec. and the point person that doug 5 is keeping in touch with was at the time the net and yahoo was, i think at the time of the finance minister, it was not at that particular time 5 minutes. but that's fine. which i can tell you

do go back. none of the pages. none of the something was keeping b b at yahoo informed what was going on like h i, if you was a spy, but i can tell you, you had a lot of direct communication would be drawn to boss, decided that you might have to explain what far is for an agent registration that would would it not be? yeah, i'm goal unless if someone was doing stuff with another government in that way, should they be registering somewhere before they swimming around the can as well. this is, do you just have a nurse and you got a nerve and a lot of us in the foreign policy, national security, a renter here in the united states. any other country? it will probably be criminal. oh, what's going on right now and in the past, which is what i can tell you if you look at the history of this uh, john kennedy, present, back in the 60s. uh, attempted to warrant that for back to uh, register them as a ford agent,

anybody's working federal on behalf of israel here in our country. and i can tell you, it has not worked. uh, you know, the big elephant in the role. and i'm just gonna get right to it right now, is that the one to be our congress or whatever, but just raise it is in office at the time. a lot people like, you know here, say this blood, our congress has bought and paid for by just really lobby. yeah. in your book, even mention of old people called lisa rice, criticizing your boss to douglas fight for carrying the mail for israel. i mean, that's a national security advisor at the time. she knew it was the address, the care in the mail for the cool part it because it was really good and the nothing. yeah, exactly. yes. yeah. if anyone thinks this book is just history, you say in the book that, um, you do, or at least you talk about the legal military presence in syria, under the guys,

these guys are fighting terrorism. many americans wouldn't even know that. a tell me about this occupation of syria and is that a hangover of of the allies told uh, uh some whose buy is really proxies to uh, the us officials. uh, 20 years ago. almost. well, i'm glad you raised that point because as i mentioned earlier, the, the plan was to go into our records. and the reason behind our racket was because of the back under the a bill collector ministration. we have what we call every game policy change, and that was not carried out during the clinton administration. and so when, once the bush administration came in, you know, filled with neil cods, they were going to use as a rational now to go in and, and take out saddam on the so called we didn't change policy. now syria was going to be next. when i was here with you, whether it be a wreck or syria, their sovereign countries,

their sovereign countries. what right do we have 1st of all, to attack a rack and next ball what it gives us the right to be in syria, uninvited, by their government. and so that in itself is illegal. now the reason we are bare of the so called disguise of the war on terrorism is to maintain sunsets a control in syria. if it not, it will not work for us getting tied down in a rag. as i stated earlier, but it certainly handled by the way we would have been serious, but to prevent that as well. rush or came into the, into the rescue a syria. so in order that we could expand further into syria, now i've heard folks say that we're in syria to protect the all wheel, which is true. and i don't know who that all is intended for, but i told light sources and, and when i say i'm told by sources, right,

that's what i'm giving an opinion because i don't know what to be frank, but i, so i've been told by folks who i believe that they're there to protect all the bills or here's me that they're legally there's being all sent to israel from the northern part of syria. ok. cheap. uh dear on that cliff. i got 210 as friends of stuff you that i was talking about more from the author of that, the betrayal the truth about why the united states invaded iraq after this break

the the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with retired. come on, the chief wants to sergeant dennis france before i really interrupted uh, come on to the chief of us beside you and tell you, went talking about some reports from sources to you. that the oil being stolen from

the syrian from syria today is for israel as part of what your book talks about as a capture of u. s. foreign policy by benjamin netanyahu and the liquid body. and israel it's yes, but getting back to syria, as we left off, we can definitely say it, as i mentioned before about opinions assumptions. in fact, i can give you the fact that we're not there or the so called war on terrorism. and so when i had mentioned earlier about the source is telling me we are there to protect your old bills and some of that will lead into is right. i believe it to be true because i believe disorders and we have no other reason to be in syria. so going back to your original question. uh, i want you to keep this in mind, the neo cons and is rarely lobby in regards to the middle east. is a long term strategy. this has been going on since the early 19 ninety's. and

another reason i believe we are up there is because of the fact that as long as the it's rarely lobby, it has control over our government. if you will. they're always going to have that long term strategy of taking over the entire middle east on behalf of a visual. uh, you know, as you said, we currently uh, illegally in syria. well, likewise are their eyes are still on a rad. that is the big kept right there. i ran and, and if you noticed like keywords, is there things about messaging with regards to what's going on and gaza right now . i mean, dropped the got on you, but i just wanna make sure in regards what's going on in gaza right now when the whole face a coming in, in support of the palestinian people, are the, the find that hard mazda is given is what right now. and it has a lot written to join in. was you ever noticed one key thing you always hear?

who speaks back by a ran as the law, backed by a rant. you always the time i read into that. why is that? but those ears will setting the stage of trying to get our support into attacking a ran, which has been a plan in their mind. but that date, given that you obviously realize, and as i said in your book on the leaves, arise seemed to suggest israel. they must the public and have thousands of employees. when you are working there, it has thousands of employees today. do you think it must be more than just to realizes or detect this capture of u. s. foreign policy? i mean, how many people in the, by the administration where basically is rarely assets not working for the american people that working for the liquid party and telling me well, what i will tell you is that there was not married then there's not many. now

there's just the ideal that they're putting to change the positions and locations throughout government and mainly in leadership positions. the us government in particular of the kind of god it consist of you do it all right, who is your up? sorry to interrupt with the commodity side you but let's just as it does feel like a conspiracy theory, obviously you're talking about a few people there at the top and all these thousands of people unaware that the sometimes sometimes as you said, thousands of us servicemen and women giving up their lives for this as well, and that's going to be under, under span, independent, gone, which a lot of people don't understand is majority of career people. it's not associated, it's what we call a political as beach magistrates and come in with their own personal agendas. you have government employees, the career employees. their job is to carry out that particular policy or agenda at the time. now are there. so i'm,

as i was exposed to some things that could possibly be an ethical or illegal. so i'm do come out and whistle blowers. but guess what happens, those whistle blowers, you know, demonized. and so in most cases and government, what would be the department of state or the front of god are 2 primary major domestic dirty here disease. you know, those both have been there all their lives and they don't want to put their career, you know, a state, it takes a lot of guts and even me, you know, i'm not all that great. i told many folks, if you've heard daniel ellsberg, i'm the coward, daniel ellsberg. and what i mean like i tell somebody, adults like that. well, you know, when daniel ellsberg itself, there is one that was about right. and kind of gone saying, hey, i'm talking to kind of god during the vietnam war here. you know, he released documents. why didn't do that? and when you said i waited 20 years, my hope was that some of this will really come out and say, hey, you know, this was a lie and it never happened. and so i've been thinking about this for years in my

original go with this. and after 20 years of the iraq war, you know, as i said, you bought a saw in my book, an entry, it's a book has not been written that you will like to read, then you did want we'd, we'd want to write it. so that's what made me decide, ok, i've got to find a publisher for this because of the fact you're not going to find people to speak out because they're really fearful of their career and they're not going to do that in regards to the military. we are going to say it, we're, we, we are so uh, a mock career minded and follow to take a unless we know for a fact they are illegal. so the military stays out of the politics of any particular uh, administration that comes into the office at that particular time. so don't be surprised that of the thousands and thousands of people in fact kind of gotten into the largest office building in the world. what is comprised mainly of career

government employees who carry out long as they don't see it as being a legal on the festival. now the, the legal things that may be happening, it's really cap. so the majority of the employees of the pentagon for the state department, and so they really don't know. and as i stated earlier, you know, we do have an administration coming in as opposed to ministration at that particular time was probably the most corrupt. let me go back to the next in years was probably one of the most corrupt, most recent ever come in in regards to foreign policy and national security. we just, we don't know. we don't know actually what's happening on to the administration and fans and we will miss that else. but i'd be able to watch our interview with the late that is, but again, is about his courage on a rumble channel, just on what you were talking about to syria, for instance, because it's still relevant. why would they have yeah, would they surprised that they were gonna lose because russia was gonna intervene

to protect syria, really because it has a base and attack if, for instance, and, and for other reasons. yeah. similarly with ukraine, i mean, do these people don't realize that other countries are going to kick back at us imperialism. but no. oh, that's part of the strategy. listen, this goes all the way back. i think 1998 and you may be familiar with this and i always like explain things so we can assume that our audience understands everything was saying, as you alluded to, daniel ellsberg back in the 19 ninety's and paul, what boards and dick cheney and rumsfeld well, part of this we have something that was a created called the project for the new american century called the phoenix. and they were planning back in and 1998 a world dominance. it did not tier the tires in with you mention about ukraine. their goal was to be to predominate world and we can rush or to challenge china.

china does not want more with us. we're the ones that create the atmosphere of yeah, we want to, we can try it out. we want to region russia so that we can be the sole super power after. well, i could do this 10 years ago. i remember having a conversation with ben department chairman to joint you said richard myers. and i stated that one day china and russia was going to get to go to get tired of books. they can, we can dominate the world, and then going to come together. and that's what happens in the case of book syria . china i rested, decided no more of this. we're not going to have this. and so they decided that they were going to step in, in syria. likewise with china, you know, we, we had a one china policy. i called the parents because of the facts and like, were running away from that now set up for a policy wise and the people that we was, we were deal with china only. what we started changing back, where we're going to try to do everything we can to keep taiwan as a democracy. and in charlotte, china would say,

because they're still there territory that you can do about it, or china and russia, north korea local, there's no direct to us, but we want to dominate them. and so these bolts are coming together and saying, hey, no longer. so did we take the boat, the neo cons, cuz i called up new service. think that what happens now, based on the fact that they could dominate the world, and roger and china were just going to sit back and do nothing. well, they are, they know now. and how does this information? i mean, i should say they pulled libya, ralph destroying africa's richardson, capital country. how do they pull off that this information? uh, as strategy. they smear people, they, uh, they work with people, you know, the big media corporations, all the god, media corporations in the united states and around nato countries. how did they do it from your perspective? seeing it from the inside it,

let me go back and say something that you had asked me earlier, but also many polls and kind of gone in the state department and you know, lot more speaking out. well, i must tell you that this is the most optimistic i've been in the last 20 years, a more people speaking out and more people learn what's going on in the past, how they were able to get away with it was this information all day message. and to be frank with you, and i don't know how to take this, you know, in a negative way. but that it was big much, you know, the majority of the american people, they don't concentrate on foreign policy and how to get impact our national security. and how can you impact us economically. you know, as you probably know, you know, being for maybe on file culture and we allow our country just drove away $3700000000.00 per year. that is no, but it's more than that to a country,

a country i will call israel. how can we allow that? why would we allow that? when we say, in my particular case, explain it 20 years of my life in the military. when we see so many homeless veterans on districts of the united states of america. as always, the others that are not veterans that are on the streets of america as homeless. how can we is the biggest but what's happening now through social media. because as you alluded to earlier, the main street media, they are bought and paid for by the guards as well. you know, they do messaging in support of those things they want to do. and so the american people and the world the world has seen it. you know, there's a lot of the news media a week and america. we were not seeing those things. only those of us that had the, uh, the luck and the luxury of being inside the pentagon during the bush administration . listen, i know i did not know anything about the neo cons airborne, even though i was in the military,

i was trying to follow the orders as far as the lead survey leadership and our commanders. and so until i got into the pentagon and started looking at how things were happening, you know, i, uh, best way to both of my eyes, but i was all alone. i had nobody i could talk to them about and they believe me, you know, they believe every day to the 8 year old. uh, they just rarely bobby was saying that with, you know, what, i'm talking papers in front of our members of congress and administration. people believe that and so i was alone. the only person i had to talk to larry once i became friends, you know, 15 years ago, you know, the only person, you know, jack really talked to now was social media. there's dominating the news. now, more people are finding out about what has been happening and what's going on now, and that's why i just really love you. didn't really afraid. that's why. if i jump service on, you, is rarely lobbies person to get rid of picked on. that will tell you as an old guy, the young people loved when i say this, i have

a tick tock net. i love to talk because you're getting real time information, especially what's going on in gaza right now. chief, let's just as you get his rights. thank you, and that's it for the show. the new book, deadly betrayal. the truth about why the united states invaded iraq is i have never met the way bring you new episodes every day monday until then keep in touch, my role that social media is not sense in your country. and i to a title going, i'll be going to be on global combs watching, you know, the episodes of going underground, caesar, the despite everything gray breeze go to the front lines with that eagerly awaited they

pray in the trenches and bunkers and hospitals destroyed churches. they pray for peace thinking out of work during ask almost the 1st or what kind of stuff, but for the loss of your students. so mature secondary in the civil sleep and your last inspection from watch for discharge or just try to bristol shirts or gotcha. so the way i've been here, it's called the best interest of this as part of the rest of the printer stuff as a whole other struggle and fish. just like i said before, i send this to nasa and join

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