the guns i said, but i doubted that the us in the middle of where it's presidential campaign right now, which is this done 3 months from now. it wouldn't be in a position to, to go ahead with any kind of sanctions. let me just say that it's video us will give at least 3500000000 new us, but i was just a couple of there's a go to for is room in which they can buy weapons and the she and, and the machine at a affordable and want to get us got those. so i don't think this personally of this good because the us will be in a position to put any kind of sandwiches. we all know that there are a big competition going on between that come in and how does that publican candidate explosive the problem. and uh, um, the, the influence of jewish a or b is where you may not be in, in, in the u. s. is the tournament um to any kind of a pressure, again, this is around so even if you will succeed,

which i doubt it because there is no consensus within the u. countries to go ahead with any, any sanctions against this room. but even if both happens, i doubted that the us would be in a position to do that. let's also just remember that the us has been sending you a of us, as scotty are, as somebody is to the region. to put this is where i'm from any attacks from it on or as well or uh, the resistance access in the region right now, one of the ease ready officials that's been criticized and said that it's justifiable to use thought base and as a weapon against the people of guys that i want to know what your assessment of this kind of form is and what the public opinion is. thinking about statements like that as well. uh, listen. just say that uh, definitely be scarred upstairs. most all of acceptable. uh and let me just also add that this rent has been much worse than these kinds of statements. uh,

literally the palestinian people and girls will have been starving to the over the past and months since is when i was worried that this was on this genocide that gives us more than 2000000 people and got all the men of whom i had been i have died as a result of lucky food. the lack of basic services, money you on is yours, is as probably part of that bill. there are elements of starvation. uh the uh no, uh, medical services or the basic music. i'm saying this is many children outside as a result of that. and it seems to me that uh as well, is just uh on the what they call it military pressure on a raising the toner against the palestinians with, with no intervention from the international community with no accountability from the international community. and uh, such that parents have come from various is where you may need those with them from the president of the state to basic visit the most of the meals and goals are

a lot at the office or october 7th at 2 uh the minister of count journal basically advocated the bombing garza with a new p or weapon or a new p of bomb. so my name understood concept. comfortable. money is where you really those who have been inside of things, not just the goodness hmos, but again as the palestinian civilian population and gospel. all right, we have to leave you here now. i'm high marble cider. i'm the associate professor of political science. i'd like john university and gaza. thank you so much for your insight. thank you. great. what you can get for the details of all the stories were following on our team. come, i'll be right back with more stories that top of the by now the

i would rate my studios and fuck a sign of the perhaps the most exciting period of my career. i went to the soviet union. when i came back, it was collapsed into 15 bucks. so some of my friends often hold me responsible for breaking it to a foreign policy needs to be named. sometimes you may need to make the point gently, sometimes, forcefully somewhere on perhaps 2000 me. then the us,

you only for the moment ended in a was where you don't have a global policeman telling you what to do. some countries comes to get the phone conversations on issues india, which has to be on the high table. india is an important voice. it cannot be the hello and welcome my name is on them to make them to my shoulder for the next of an odd. we will discuss all these in the part of me. the very special guest is a prominent diplomat that has served in various capacities, including as the high commissioner of to 5 years time and canada. they come, i decided to do. thank you very much and have a great to be here. joey bossard area is a former indian diplomats with a career spending over 3 decades. he holds a bachelor's degree in economics from the university of delhi and earned an m. b,

a in calcutta. he later got his 2nd masters in public policy from princeton. his 1st posting was in moscow in 1988. mister resario has served as india as ambassador to poland. let's you, amy. yeah. he's also served as the high commissioner to canada. and as india is last high, commissioner to puck is done with his tenure overseeing a particularly challenging period of relations between new delhi. this loan about a job assario speak several languages, isn't of it? yogi, his 1st book was published earlier this year, where you are really wanting to be a diplomat. right. but 1st of all, great to be here. i've seen you in the movies so great to see you in person may have admired the movies and i often feel that the diplomats should learn acting because often you need to act in the global states. i think they all did do a good job. yeah. you know, i, i had it at the back of my mind the, i, because my father was in the government. so i wanted to explore being in the

government. i did do an m b i explored possibly doing advocate is, but then what attracted me to government and the ford service was to be bought to be in the story and to work on a logic canvas because i had a sense even early in my twenties that, you know, the india story is going to be a good one and it would be exciting to be part of india is join in a more direct way by being part of government. your 1st posted in the, in investing most, glued back in 1988. and since then you have an impressive could you? how is it like being that i believe you speak russian. i do, i do speak some russian a and i in fact event to my 1st posting in the phone service, be our full blaze. it's mandatory to learn a foreign language. and mine was russian. so i went to moscow university for a year. my job was to learn the language, which i did, and not, you know,

how much time did you learn language? it's an emotion costs that we did. so in about 8 or 9 months i, i acquired a good deal of fluency and been below and off the streets. so you know, you're in most in that background. so i did speak the language fairly read. so it was again, a very interesting time because i was posted in moscow in my formative years in diplomacy from 1988 to 91. how many b as well you there in law school? so i was the 3, you see, one of which i spent the learning, the language, and the other 2, you know, looking at the embassy and the political being in the konami coming. and i went to the soviet union. when i came back, it was collapsed into 15 pots and so, so if my friends often hold me responsible for breaking it up, i'm the new bond incident. i will do the story behind it. i guess i just joys my parents. well, they happened to be in seen a good when i was born

a so it was my father was a no transferable job. and i was born in she no good because he was managing all indeed radio and as an engineer and, and she and i go so i was born there. and it's so happened that i moved from there to mom, but at the age of 3. okay. i had no memories of a senior guy and crush me, but i did go dad much later when i was already in service. so i couldn't go that to the terrorism is only in this century. i got an opportunity to revisit the place of my books and uh, the opinions before that then uh and the politician invite your son. no it, it so happened. that's my mother. as a child ran to and stayed in the hard because my grandfather was posted there for a couple of years around 1942. and uh, so that was just her experience in going to school in lahore and,

but the family belonged very much during the day, but from what the dish will do, the story they used to tell you of the independence partition all focused on. yes. so my mother had some very interesting stories to tell me. 1942 is her a clear memory of the quick didn't get a moment. let me see, would see the processions of bought a total. and she never heard about. the bucket stopped me because you know, the buckets on the holidays lucian had been boss of 1940, but it wasn't a big thing. so in the forty's, in, in her stories, she hadn't really heard of this concept of focused on this. she had gone to right, loading to and her happiest memories was, were offered trip the family to do money, the hidden station and they ran to up to abide and traveled all over. and so i often say that in, in the forty's, this was the most integrated region in the world. you could travel from run going

to all the way to chava know visas. and they, but so this about the family members that they could travel over this past land and then you became the i commissioner up in progress time and then the most trouble with the times. in fact, it has been, no, i commissioned it off to your daniel to how well you're dealing with it. yes. you know, so i would rate my, uh, 2 years in pakistan as a, have some most exciting periods of my career because it's, you know, working in a conflict environment is always a challenge and, but it's also very exciting and mid threes as many diplomatic possibilities. i was then a 2 years and one of the better docs is a funding for an individual night and focused on me is that during the day there is a fairly low facility, but in the afternoon you could meet be meeting with diplomatic colleagues and there's a good deal of friendship and in the evening of

a glass of wine or risky you are very friendly, right? with the common people or people who haven't got nothing to do with government. so that is a better dogs that did as a such a good deal of possibility, but also such a good deal of friendliness and this go to the affinity of speaking the same language, liking the same food and so on. so i think this bad adults defines a diplomat's role in boxes fun. i also went to a tough and hostile period and i think good that as bad as some degree of creative diplomacy is required. because even at a time when the host of government is very against your to pay it into government, you some doors are open, do have quite conversations and quiet diplomacy and to understand what is happening, what do you think is the basic problem of focused on with india,

if you asked me to name one fact to me, i would say it's focused on identity crisis. that while india, uh, at, but very rapidly developed an identity, develop the constitution within 3 years of independence and had the benefit of leaders. but some continued to buckets fund did not have the same good fortune. it's early leaders passed away and you know, died in 1940 the aid, the, the con, the 1st 5 minutes. the best of a 1951 and focused on could not develop a constitution for itself too much later. so even it developed the constitution in 1956, but that was abrogated by 58. when you condo military dictated to go. so the centered problem became the capture of pakistan by the elite, in this case, the immediately who have captured the country and continued to rule it for all

these tickets and have distorted what focused on could have become in my view. so i think this is a fundamental structural problem that focused on face that it became an abnormal country run by an army lead, which was intent on promoting its own interest rather than the interest of the people in yet. i would say that in the last few years, it has been no media that is at tech and the last 10 years to be very besides what has changed your be for us. you know, you would record from the ninety's. terrorism became a major issue less impact on the eighty's 1st and then job the ninety's and push me from the 2 thousands all the way and then we never had a very good on. so for it, we would, uh, you know, not react perhaps with force. and even after going nuclear in 1998 to it,

even in 2008. india did not react strongly to the moment later. what has changed now is that we have a different bus show of active defense. there's certainly an effort to, to strengthen that says from within been means, have strong counter infiltration. counterterrorism grades within your mortgage made for instance, to prevent service from coming in. but also a pro active or active defense, but to which means you are willing to take the battle across the borders in hot pursuit of the status in 2016 and reacting to audi. it was reinforced in 2019 when after the attack, the biological a strikes took place. so now, here wasn't even do that is was setting up strategic deterrence or the governance against it, or is it the message was that if there was incidents or for a certain scale,

big place in the will again across the board to india. so for the focus on army, the policy of mounting terrorism, which was a low cost policy now became an expensive business, because now it was clear that if you launch in a deck, the retaliation should be, would be such that you, you could go to water. you could, would have to react, so there was a 2nd cost. and that's certainly spot of the reason that there's been a dramatic drop in cross border terrorism. it's not been eliminated. it's taken on different funds, but there has been a significant drop. and i think that is an achievement of government results to address this question in a clear headed 3. why do you think the governments were not interesting and advocating are to go to 70 when i think um, certainly for the beach it be, it was on the manifesto. it was on the cards and it was certainly

a goal to be achieved. but even the b b a and the government could not achieve it in the early upsize in a bunch of these guys because it was in india, a government that was a coalition government. that was a coalition common minimum program of the india. and this was not a priority, but i think that was clarity even in watched by his mind. and uh, and in other lead his mind that once the it would be a majority, it gives the opportunity to have optical, $370.00 a aggregated. and i think it was a decision that was waiting for the moment that a party had a clear majority. and a clear strategy, i think integrating your mortgage mean was a very important move. and more than that, having the strategy of counterterrorism content information to ensure that off to that optical, 370 moves, they would know blood shit on

a large scale. because as you would recall, there was a conversation that if i had to go 370 would be to move, they would be live as a black english me. but none of that happens because it was where the plan will execute it. and i think the by the benefit of hindsight of the last 5 years and certainly a successful policy both in terms of stabilizing the state to jim one crush me. and in terms of giving a clear answer to cross border terrorism. yeah, because i come from the same area and i feel that it is beneficial to the people of crush me, the businesses i'm climbing into the infrastructure as has been yet, when are they going to 70 was able to in the parliament there was a total opposition from southern section of yeah, i think it was a political conversation and that was a political move because article $370.00 was more of the move and it was more than

just a political move. it was also linked to security foreign policy. and i think it's of all those interest me when we finally got it done. and i think now there is a reasonable consensus in the country that it was a good move. uh and that uh now we move to the next stage, perhaps of the healing dodge and you're moving push me to rapidly moving towards stability and normalcy. so that brings me to naturally, so after this done problem this and won't even be the 2nd longest serving p. and my friend is this continued to good for india on the phone and policy fun. it certainly is. we are now living in an age of a very turbulent, where much is changing in the world. that is, that are conflicts that are uh, you know, i'm moving towards a multi polarity and therefore foreign policy needs to be named. so i think this government has been successful in very nimbly negotiating the world and improving

india is half the end stature by mr. movie has the external affairs minister. jason good, who understands the game and plays it very well. and the personal chemistry that the prime minister himself enjoys with this continued the, that's a cut all of the advantage of it that you'll develop. but still chemistry and personal relationships with will lead us. and that helps who is with annotated step . now he's representing a 4 trillion dollars economy, with a huge kind of pest in the world, in economic terms. so for just as an example, the rest issue relationships in, in what is called the middle east, but the, you, we, but the bid. so there may be, those are some new innovations in, in policy that the closeness of that relationship pets in the, in multiple with. and you've said that in diplomats i'm more confident in the more

the. why do you feel that they represent the country that is more confident that they represent the country with the leadership is consistent, then giving a certain message uh to the, to the world, to the people. and they have clear instructions and, and it helps that you know, in goes on. baba is growing in does half this such that india is voice is heard on the high table below believe whether you're talking about climate or trade or uh the global order or the g 20. so i think, oh, that helps uh for a clear message to go to the diplomats to act with confidence and to be able to uh, you know, represent the name to that is more confident in one of your opinion pieces you wrote about a month, people avoid an india of wanting to be on the board, how much it is for them and association. good already done that for that good. i

think he has and i think india has because, you know, this process has gone on. i would argue since the ninety's, because ninety's after the soviet union collapsed, be moved from a bipolar world to or unipolar world for the in the us was the on the act and down and some better on perhaps 2008. then the us, you only pull a moment ended and we are moving towards a new order which might be multiplan. and bingo is making the point that in the future as an aspiring power, we would like to be a board. we wouldn't like a word of it, which slaps is back into being a bipolar what with china and russia outlined against the wrist? or uh, you know, a word bad in his voice is not good. and so i think we have been very active in terms of for a, taking the g 20 as an example. that is an organized a is

a body which tries to speak for the world in which economics matter, the economic major economies matter and essentially make the point that uh in, in this uh, well the way it is going into future. the major economies like india need to have a strong se, uh, in the direction in which it as well. so how important of all my psych bricks and s c o for them like people are like, i think they are important and i think what has happened in this most people are what is that you have new will formulation like big says seal. there's an ad for it, but so before those, like i do, you do in, in rest issue and so on the board. so these are on issue based coalition. so they come together in a world where you don't have a global policemen telling you what to do. some countries come together every is uh, you know, a phone conversation that issues no breaks for instance,

came together for a conversation on economic issues for the middle of the bible stuff. i mean, it was that it represented. so i think that is the kind of, uh, what would be the move to uh, the uh country is we'll have issue based alliances. some of them the space, some of them will fade away. and we will question this world, or the which is presided over by the united nations, which we feel hasn't delivered enough in terms of providing peace and security to the world. so or done, it is really much, but we don't know which way it's hated except bad for you know that india shouldn't have a saying the re, uh, part of minister jewish and good. now conduct on always so open about his point of view is which makes us proud of. we never used to have somebody who would say, who we call a we call them out is that's a deliberate attempt to do that. or it's

a personality trait off of a photo minister. i think i think it's a boat. it certainly represents the new india, which is making its point. yeah. so the world uh and its a confident new india and therefore it, he is the voice often of that new india. and therefore he has to make the point about in his views and is very articulate about it. absolutely. so sometimes you may need to make the point gently, sometimes, forcefully, sometimes, and behind closed doors, sometimes publicly. so i think the, the point needs to be made and the broad, the point that is emerging is that india, which has to be on the high table india, is an important voice. it cannot be not the show is call, let's talk about it. where do you see in the, in the next decade? well, i think the india is moving in a positive direction. the stated objective of freedom to is to bring prosperity to

its people, right? the we want to be a vixen part of that developed by that, developed in debt by 2047. and what does that mean? that essentially means we need growth. be ongoing at 6 to 8 percent feed. possibly want to grow and a light bought the 8 to 10 percent and bring prosperity for our people. and our phone and policy will be oriented towards leveraging the will to facilitate this phase of india. and it will be a peaceful and benign race in asia, as, as compared to the belligerent tries of china see me, but it will be something that would be good for the world. and i think good therefore endeavors get more more partnerships, deeper partnerships, and be able to, uh, engage in a might be aligned we with russia with the best and power is with the board and maximize the economic benefits for itself, but also be

a forced for stability underwood. great. so what are your future plans? well, i've just written one book and i've been talking about it in different florida, and this is the book which includes an angry men and that's right. it's called anger management, and it's been released this year. and it's, it's, it's essentially a story of the india pakistan relationship and in a sense, any hostile relationship, but door to the prism of diplomacy or from the eyes of diplomats, not just my experience isn't focused on, but also of my 20 for read this. i says, well, a high commission, those are investors from india to pakistan from 1947 till 2017. when ever and i hope the right to another. and i'm working as a corporate consultant that move to the private sector. so i'm having a lot of fun done with that. i'm did it take take you do like this book? well i to me, i would say about 2 hours

a day for 4 years. and because i have a to take book, it's 540 pages, and it's the amount of movie that i've done in for the i read 40. exactly. i see. i see where your, your, uh, over is much more impressive because you know, each more we would have had a lot of blood for it. and d as a going into it. so, but, you know, i, i enjoyed the process of writing this book and researching it. of multiple foot notes, i hope to write another one, and i'm also a distinguished fellow at the observer research foundation. so doing some research in trying to understand as well. now that i'm out of government, i'm at a distance, so it's good to look at the word from a distance and comment on it. and activist, thank you miss as it. thank you. thank you very much. 0 my here and a thank you for watching to join me next week as we uncover newly in yet another

debate. and let's talk about it. i'm on the phone, kid would by the oh, what else seemed wrong? just don't you have to shape house and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will depart, we choose to look for common ground, the the

the, what kind of negotiations can we talk about with people who indiscriminately taxi visions and public infrastructure or attempt to threaten nuclear power facilities, a lot of of 40 and says the 3 and the attack on the process because the region that it's kelly mill civilians entirely negates a possibility for negotiations to ask the company. this is one of the main squares in brisk everything is everything is shut down. people are fleeing because they have seen what the ukranian militants do to civilians who are trying to flee a civilians. if i q range from russian border town steering intensive find strikes

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