is the nothing, nothing which is why the whole strategy left to negative feel fragmentation never allowing unity to take root. as soon as it became known in india that there was an army which was fighting for the countries in different there's, there was a huge of see what i'm arguing here. you also know most of the movements of law. nobody really, there you smoke. but before the rules on their own, and there was a huge people, live up, protest across segments, all sections of the society, the students, the labor rows of people who used to work in the post office. they stood up in readily and there was a feasible, but i use the research that really on know to the british government and the data that they started moving pretty fast. but so i imagine the human that's basically it says id scott in the minds of the population of both the countries. and i,

one can say that it is entirely gone even now because of the city of anybody a like in the mind of a lot of people who are indians across the world has most populous country, are commemorating the suffering of those displaced as a result of british colonial policy, london's actions close to one of the largest mass migrations in history with millions forced to leave their homes. here's what's the citizen stores. you put it on the test. it was a wrong decision by the british display. the country, thousands of people have died due to the partition even today we are facing the repercussions. it was a wrong decision. and if it had not happened, united india would have been even stronger and the name would have been different as well. be it because i've been here during partition, so many people were killed. the difficulties these people had to face during partition cannot be measured. it is a very sad and shameful incident. i don't think splitting the splitting and even if it is good and bad will not be any different. and charles flipping of soup on 3 is

that what that would be? listen, i'm going to board vegas. uh, that would be no great date in mind of people so that we sent a sauce and they should attempt on download from follows along the deadly history of us political violence. so just hard talk. second is the divide right now. it between left and right in american coastal debates. the hello and welcome to the prospect bull horns on peter lavelle here we just got some real news. the attempted assassination of donald trump tells us all we need to know

about the extreme intentions that make up american politics. sadly, america has a long and deadly history of political violence. the country's political culture is simply toxic. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess your to send me while we in budapest, he's a pod counselor at the goggle, which be found on youtube and locals. at americas we have martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator. alright gentlemen cross that girls and the fact that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciated. right, let's start out with george in budapest as usual. george, we called this one. we had been saying for a very long time because of the um, the perceived um its extremes of american politics that something like an attempted fascination could happen. well, it is already happened. so what does this tell you in a, how does this change the dynamics if at all, go ahead george. when he tells of the election, i think the dynamics. so we've,

we simply don't know, does he have how that is going to affect the outcome? so, but this was entirely predictable because of the loop the other years and years of, of under the sun. oh, harold, hysterical coverage of trump bodies. i mean, the median contributed to this episode of the ridiculously staring. but of course, while the patients, and chiefly president, by the who has repeatedly, is declared that this as an existing shall matter. but the united states that you know, trump poses that makes essential for it to the united states. he has been saying this since 2019, and that's remember even before that the trunk was a q is essentially by much of the media. and again, much of the, the democratic party, all having been an agent of the kremlin. nonetheless, it was a traitor and it goes when you go to somebody afraid so that when you say that that person is literally add all hip left. well, what happens is the,

these amazing things that it's taken this long for something like this to happen. and, and, but what is really disgusting, is only as politicians mancy below. c, a chuck schumer, i can you geoffrey by and so now say, well, we wish trump very speedy recovery. political violence has no place. and now this goes, well, you're golden. i don't feel, well if he is out of hip low, why would you be wishing him speed you recovered? so obviously you were lying and you would just been basically pulling the american people by golding of ablest oh, this was exactly what you were hoping. what happened? some uh, you know, y'all, a young man up active as of this asking was of the 20 years old. when say i go to save the well, so that'll hipaa. so you know, this, we're getting quite a disgusting box is now going on. you know, martin, you know, you've already seen the picture, which i wrote that send it to you it's icon make. it certainly is iconic. it's

probably been seen by over a 1000000000 people already around the world. and it's like into like the flag on you will. jima, i mean, or some of the civil rights moves mean images, we have a subsidy other assassinations. but the way i read that, that picture is that the way his supporters mean they feel his literal pain. they feel him the persecution, this ridiculous law fair against them. there's probably a, a 1000000 good reasons to dislike donald trump. but the, this persecution of him in fury yates people and people that maybe not have a very strong political attitude. they literally feel this man's pain. i think so. yeah, and i think of that and they will be beyond the political camp and they will be a number of the swing swing voters are undecided versus from the other side as well . who now i've seen the, which one, they've seen the court cases and they don't believe that the believe what they're saying. they know that there's significant change up behind all of that. so

george's absolutely right. go to the hysteria. let's be wit, tall against from i think it was this to back in p. m who just 3 to just a few minutes ago. he said something along the lines of, you know, it was an image for single day. so when you put the guy down so much, that a member of the public was going to do the job and stuff up some ok and then take the short, i'm paraphrasing, didn't say exactly like that, but you get to point to not, not you have to ask yourself, i'm sincere, let's see that this, but these are friends. i mean, you know, i don't want to be a kid is a, be a conspiracy theorist, but no one has to one the, with the, with the which on the i mentioned before with the, with the amount of cases that have been brought against from the off to wonder whether the deep state also perhaps arranges for the secuity these events to be so poor because it's only a question of time sooner or later before it comes to like america. it was some crack poll, brings along a $100.00 rifle and, and takes a few shots of a this go. i mean, i think it was an image for that. it, we should be so shocked by it, especially when you look at the video footage,

which came online just minutes late to of 3 security late to use f. b, i ladies with the very start is a dock louse is who were just running around the heads of chickens. i mean, it was literally pissy for watching these 3 ladies. one couldn't hosts or a weapon properly. another ones was more concerned about putting a sunglasses incorrectly to look cool. in the behind them was the smart close to them and, you know, taking something away and it was just a few letters to be honest. so you're going to also sort of questions. but i think the broad question, the bigger question is, when we have lives in these thomas before that from phenomena is entirely new ground is i just on the president of i think the bigger question is, is this a small taste of things, companies and stuff typically ice book and we were open, bracing us of wondering, we were not so confident where we're pretty confident that something was going to win. the will, the country will america, and i'm tentacles of all the power within it. allow him to win. you know, you're off on november, the 5th, you know, we're going to see thousands of people take to the streets with the homes all the

rifles or was well, but i think martin, i think it's pretty fair to say, i'll throw it to george right now. whatever the outcome half the country is not going to agree with it. that's where we are. george. no, that's. that's exactly right. that'd be the other half of the country will not agree with this. and even, even, even if he is alexis possible, he will, he be inaugurated george. will it be another piece like that? that's right. and i mean, we'd already know and this, because he's adding to the hysteria, that if the democrats do come to the house, they will not satisfy the result. this is something that they've already said they will not certify the result as though it's entirely dependent on the republicans taking the house. we're trying to be installed as president. and, you know, even if he is still the president, we're going to get full years of this and really lives with the, you know, there's a lot of training now in recent years of assassination of, i mean, russell. it was only weeks ago we were talking about this estimation of time,

phone robot fits so. um, you know, the, we had the, uh, the assassination attempt at the, the congressional bowl game. that was in 2017. we had them fascination of them from them. uh, the supreme court uh, just this cable. uh so they were in all of these events are good the direct result of the issue scenario that is being uh, went up by the say the democrats and their uh, media allies. and uh and so therefore, if the truck does become president, that isn't going to stop. so, so like this is this, the, they, they've determined that this is all my business existence loses existence really deep, deep. so repeating this, somehow, america kind of survive. donald trump, remember the horrible both of missed the big thing you learned. uh, victor. victoria missed the victoria newland robert kagan wrote, in an all pad and the washington post. and we talked about this. it was about 5 to

6 months ago, which was pretty much cooling for these explanation of trump. they just said this man is such a exist central thread. we can't stop him. this is like, this is julia sean's that you know, this is the only way, the way we go. we're going to deal with him is the way they build the junior senior . so this is, he doesn't affect the business how, what the, how the political establishment is thinking. and indeed as mafia said, there are serious reasons or as questions about the security elapses there. i mean, yes, inexplicable, absolutely no real questions? well i, it's, it's really quite remarkable. martin is that we, this is, and i'm glad you brought up the flow of our prime minister. i mean, this is what we see all across the west and world. everything is x a central. if everything is x essential than anything and everything is permitted because it's, you know, it's to be or not to be. this is a, you know, it's obviously very reminiscent of a civil war and in the united states. but this is

a civil war that's being played out across the west as well. yeah, but it is an extent so and um, unfortunately what i witnessed in, in my career and the last of the use of john and it says how western countries have become more and more the place was systems to become simplified binary. they become binary and they become, you know, very much a symbols like black and whites and choices for people. and i think this has been accelerated by the advent of social media. well, i mean also martin, don't you think what doing lyft thinking about the elections in france and then the u. k. and then the european parliament just, you can win a lot of votes, but you don't get to live a seed. so, i mean, it's becoming more and more obvious that the system is rig system is right. i mean that the to the west of democracy, less than democracy and it's models, plural um on. okay, so not functioning anymore. you know, so you're getting the vote. so the bottom, the books, the people know that the vote is very much in token part of the whole thing. you

know, that, that needs to be something else to hold politicians accountable. and um, so you know, uh, especially as the attempts that public valleys in america, it's certainly something that surprises us assassination attempts in western leaders like just to back in pm. perhaps this is going to be something that we're going to see more render grandmother in the press. because, you know, as i say i, i think the confidence is just waiting. now, you know, we were looking for an alternative level of the present one, you know, just just don't seem to what we're looking at nato for example, which just celebrate his birthday, you know, some pundits of all use, well, the basis of may so 75 years ago it was a particularly one, i mean, the idea that the soviets have this ministry threat against us, i'm going to wipe us out the same argument, same x, essentially. so i'm going to st. absolute unqualified on viruses. unimed, all the absolute explanations which were supposed to swallow with the well, i mean, in never and given a democratic test, you know, you know,

george is really interesting is the way when we look at these elections, but your participation legitimize is the outcome, but not your decision, you see what i'm saying is that the, no, it's the we have a, we have a vibrant but when democracy because people vote but it doesn't. that doesn't deal with the outcome of the vote. george know that that's right. i mean that, and that's why there is this constant manic attempt to get everyone to vote, to tell you what was really, really, what did you vote your most about? you know, that's your duty as a citizen to vote. and then, and i think was a little why what, what difference is going to make and why we're getting lead is that we don't want to, you know, to attend. that is that we don't want any effect this level. the problem with this or the western democratic model, is that it's just based on a long prentice, which is we have to keep out the other guy. the other guy is an existing shaw thread that that's also we don't, we don't actually and promise you anything. we don't have a positive program, we don't, we don't, we have no idea how to improve your life. but that person, that person is literally hitler, and we have to do whatever we can in order to keep them out of this is what we're

doing. this is what is the, whether it's the united states, whether it's crossed. oh, it is in germany and i get very soon, it will be the case in the u. k. where you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, literally, hipaa will be natural garage or we have to keep them out. otherwise democracy will come to an end. yeah. every, when, when everything becomes it's essential, then everything is legitimate and everything is on the table except for in recognition of the democratic process. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. i'm going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real need to stay with archie. the

the welcome magic cross that boulevard is on peter la about the land you were discussing some real news. okay, let's go back to george in budapest here. i mean what this is sending a very dangerous signal because 1st of all, we and looking at the trumps opponents. they're, they're, they're crocodile tiers means it's pretty hard to believe. i mean, we went through this whole debate fiasco. we all were told that he knew joe biden is just the jim dandy, you know,

sharp is attack and all of that. and then we see what happened and then they do a flip. and now there's pretending that they never demonized donald trump. there are plenty of reasons to dislike donald trump. i don't get anything wrong. but you know, to turn around now and say don't, we don't want anything a, any, we don't have any ill feelings we do. we don't have any hope for a disaster to to come across him, but that's what true. it's all likes. yeah, exactly. if it was all lies and it was done precisely in order to whip up. this is there in your car, just as i say, well, you know, this isn't really what we meant. we, we're in the business of the civil discourse. i think obama issues, when we need, we need symbol, disclose, they're all we don't and there's no, no, no wrong. so violence. how does the civil disclose? and we will remember that to then defend that solemn events with the red lights that the by the i call it the most. so any moment now see leaning over the which it

was a, you know, and the game, the threat was not just one crow from child support has and then being on enrollment some of the beginning of a biden's term. he was talking about the said they existential threat posed by all sorts of, you know, characters that we, we could pull the of the, you know, the, the ad cfax is the white supremacist, the white nationalist of the mag. i'll follow as that is now they've been playing this political game really, you know, for years and years. and of course, something like this is going to happen and now does go down the road where we wish him a speedy recovery this. what's the mileage on this side is out all hibler and he's going to in democracy. but his agenda is to end democracy. now you wish you must be there we go. why would you wish him a speedy recovery? he's only going to end democracy according to yeah, martin the the, the way the rhetoric has been played out and it's almost getting close to 10 years and that when you think about it, okay,

almost 10 years is that there is no middle ground. there is no compromise. everything is a pure a t test. okay. you can't run a democratic society like that for very long. it's huge nissan and i think the, the succession that we're not in america. well, we have a choice of these 22 liters, who are both quite controversial and quite polemic for different reasons. i think the system is quite limited in the system. it may well be the, this particular election will spark, are completely new process. the new process of dialogue from people right across this whole section of society to ask, you know, can we do something about the system? can we create a system which is more on more liberal? no, i put in a certain which it makes us a certain more flexibility. in addition, for example, you know, we, we've seen the emergence of kids to guest on who has basically taken control of the

country with the lowest election to announce ever a. so people are starting to ask questions, you know, is it time for person to have a pen force the representation of voting system? i think i'm probably the america is unlike person. you don't have that protest foot candidates are in the middle. if you don't have a policy called the liberals, you know, it's all the one thing or the other. i mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this is really now more than ever will begin to see how this system is sustaining people. and you are quite right to say, but you know, it's very hard to imagine how coming into power with at least half of the country. now obviously it's time into the world come in. so my point, my point is something has to change. and i think this is probably the breaking point. yeah, i mean it's because george, you mean elections is becoming less meaningful. i mean, you, just, as you pointed out, you know, what, you know, things everybody has to vote. you know, we're a voter turnout. you know, this legitimize the election, but it doesn't happens that way. i mean, it's still,

it's for voting to say in western media, but i mean, there are tens of millions of americans that don't believe the 2020 outcome. they believe that trump one in 2016. the one in 2020. and he's good. one went in 2020 thoughts except for they won't let him. they can just so you can define that yourself. go ahead. george. yes that's that's. that's right. and that's exactly how people will see it. and really, you know, this, this, this estimation of the time comes authorized the series of events. remember, you know, they try to take him off the ballot, but it's a kind of unheard of do that, that think somebody off of the ballot where you don't have a right to vote for this person. imagine that, i mean the hosp, the country regard. sam has the legitimate prison and then he said, well, no, no we, we, we made a decision if you don't have the right to vote. so i've never done the, you know, an attorney general in new york state decided that i'm just going to bankrupt him. i'm just going to take away the law of his money and i'm going to come up with some

convoluted ridiculous legal theory that has never been tried. and i know i'm going to get a sympathetic judge. i was just going to take all his money away and they, and they tried to do it is only because they made a felon called jump in and said, well, you know, i'll give it, take it easy with, with, with, with this say this money grab and that because, you know, we have, uh, you know, was the, uh, the in full indictments. i mean, that's just unheard of, you know, use, it's been a president. there's never been invited once and now we have full of time for an election. so this is the last 90 process in which you got these political 5 is the absolutely determined to prevent the coming supply of somebody will off the country regards as their legitimately to, well, you know, all the way this isn't fundamentally unstable situation. i mean, the, you know, as you may have, or that has to be some kind of a political consensus whereby,

you know, you know, believe is accept outcomes and respectfully leader of the organization. now what, what we had during these last 2 and, you know, 24 hours easily off the he bunker as it english, the political, the stablish of pretense. that's the system. yeah, we all wish him well, a prez. i thoughts and prayers are with this family is up until the site at the moment is they play this all these things. but ultimately, if we know we're going to go back with a few weeks, we're going to go back to the uh, the, the trop hysteria. m a, you know, martin. and so i'm glad that george brought up these frivolous lothair suits because the in the liberals, they preferred rigs. jerry is, but i think the rest of us would prefer the jury of the electorate let they let the electorate be the jury. now you've already explained to us the, the impediments in the u. k. i mean, i'm astounded by me the outcomes of the french and, and you can reflect simply mean just because you're with a lot of votes,

doesn't mean you get much power, a seal the think um, in the case of some business. what's, what's really interesting for me is that this breaks on this sort of from the crumbling of this foundation of what we believe since so long with the foundations of american democratic model. you know what people really believed to that. they almost had a rigid reverence to it in the forties and fifties, and now it's crumbling and it's coming on both sides. you know, we talk about trump and it's that's nice to tell me. it seems to me to invite him to come, don't need to buy some kid to to sheep bikes. and the warehouse near me saying that here, now nobody's doing it seems to be doing it a pretty goods self assessment, ational suicide on himself. you know, we were seeing panic now in the whole system and the democrats are beginning to panic in a different way. you go now i think 20 congressmen have written to, to, to but i'm saying look, you know, you know, we love you, but give it up. i think also the hollywood has been weighing and as well people at george clearly. right. it was very timing facing the new york times. i mean,

really touching base, my fingers spoke on behalf of a lot of hollywood products. you know, well, you know, i probably probably go to, i really do listen carefully. but people like shepherds go in the other, say hollywood is so corrupt and it, it money, you know, money corrupts everything. so money coming from hollywood into the political process is just a script. you know, you don't judge what's really, what's really amazing to me. trump, it will be a dictator. he will shut down democracy. you know, refresh my memory. he was president of the dispute, hers. okay. i didn't shut down the media didn't shut down the trade unions. he didn't, it didn't go after hillary clinton. it made his own deal. jay went after him. meanwhile, this is just say a narrative may add a folk song. it's not as if we don't know who the guy is. is that that's the amazing thing. because, you know, we've, if you look back on the trump,

is it basically the galvan and as a kind of a moderate centrist or a republican? the romney government? raleigh. i mean, yeah, you know, he brought in the tax guys, every republican president, boy says, tax gods. i mean, that's the signature policy of all republican administrations. and it does have as far on all of say, well, they've promised all kinds of things. he never deliver it. so you know, the, the whole idea always going to withdraw from nato is going to withdrawal from syria is going to withdraw him from. i've got his son, didn't do any of those things and they get older. he gets that even by the, you know, you know, the over say, you know, i, i know founded by the no one here is the final by and please the withdrawal from a gun itself trumped. isn't that sad? yeah, i'm going to do that. but he, you know, ultimately he didn't go ahead with it. so if you look back on those, he is just to take away his personality. he was a pretty, a centrist republican, so the hysteria has absolutely no basis whatever the whole this,

like what you said made out of whole bloke, but the idea that he was pro russia, but he favor brewton, is it is just so stupid. so with the all think this, well, the large was russia, gave his back to ok let's you know, you know, mind it's really interesting in looking at this campaign year. obviously there's a microscope scope on joe biden because of his mental acuity issues here. but, you know, you have to give credit where credit's due, trump has been running, and amazingly moderate to campaign was very, he's very careful. he's, he's, he, he is, um, he's, he's, he's got himself under control and this is one. and now this, the campaign is completely turned upside down. again, everyone's going to be focusing on a, was your rhetoric. it was your narrative, etc, etc, etc. and not on the policy is go ahead. i don't think i knew why. i think i knew why trump is that seems to be more so, but um,

even even some of the lumps and at times when you would think he would rise to the page. and the most sensational, i think, is because he's got the media expert center, and they've looked at the types of things evaluated where he's gone wrong in the past. and you know, he's more, he's but he's becoming more media professional now. and the way that you can see the way that is, so evidence was it was what is the base with the item? yeah, the other 2, he then they asked plus, told him you don't need to weigh and you don't need to throw your arms around. and say, oh, these stupid insults, just let the guy bury himself, which is what he did, you know? so i think to there is, there was a new trump emerging, which is the one who listens to his advice as well. and it's so clear the blind doesn't listen to any of his advisors setting up media, you know, and i think that's really going to make a difference. and it may will mean, made a critical difference when it comes to the, to the votes. and you know, but some, i, i think we'll have to wait and see. and, you know, i think also um buttons got enough problems in the next few weeks. so, um, the democrats are telling me that there was

a critical cut off point somewhere in the middle of august, where there will be no option any more to go with the item. and, well, definitely with the, with the republican convention coming up. but there's gotta be plenty for all of us to chew on here gentlemen, that as all the time we have, i want to thank my guest in budapest and in verification. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are the see you next time. remember prospect most the you cry never transition to now of the 9 to is the kind of child to politics of the not just continued all the way all the way for the of course to go see the crime that i never had a breach of choice you come and take some stability is the power all site the

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