is general cooking on ben p moon and antonio gutierrez, thank you so much for visits expo, coming on. you've been pilots in your work trying to alert the weld the need for negotiations on ukraine and gaza. i suppose i have to ask you to give them your former advisor to some of the governments. why your no more on the circle, mainstream media you want, so kind of blacklist, you're not needed. your voice uh these john list think as well as the in the united states. so the word negotiation became a dirty word, so they don't want to hear much about this and they don't want to admit that it's the united states. a utter failure of diplomacy, that is the real story of the continuation of the ukraine war. so it's a, it's a little bit hard to get through. and these are essentially a government mediated media in, in the us. they're not owned by the us government, but they seem to depend on the official narrative as their guide post. and

i, most of the american people don't trust this. they are not in favor of the foreign policy that bite and has been pursuing. they want a change and so they're hearing it even if it's not the main screen, but channels. yeah, i mean we to named drop i was, i saw on the phone to see more hush the other day and actually side came on this show off to his piece about the node stream pipelines, supplying energy to germany, which was boned and going on to go and produces a track down your own bloomberg, on october the to the 2022 and the percentage on came interrupted. you see me outrage thing jeff. we've got to stop that when you suggested that the united states could have been involved. and that was before i see much as a piece, and you said, i know this runs counter to a narrative and you're not allowed to say these things in the west. i was that

interestingly, you know what, when i post spoken to was some leading journal as of course they agree with the private lead but publicly their, their papers or the media say just the opposite of so is meredith is like, is a game, but a very deadly one and a very stupid one in a lot of ways. so much of what we hear day today is just lies. it's just a minute. elation it doesn't even really pass for the truth, but it passes time. i saw that a, our government officials have something to say, even when they're doing outragious things. i mean, in terms of scale, even higher than guys and ukraine cove, it was a huge store. you were on the launch at cove, it commissioned the launch at the pre eminent scholarly journal in britain and medical journal. you maintain that coverage and bio warfare were related as regards to the, the warranty. they're obviously

a story that we can't even talk about here. if we want to be a, well, a g, the a, it's a very, it's a very strange thing the, the pandemic, a claim to around 20 millions lives. there are very good reasons to believe that the virus came out of a laboratory work paid for funded brainstorm by the us and actually having a serious discussion about it has been extraordinarily difficult. you can imagine why the us government does have won an open investigation. but what is surprising to me is how if you a, supposedly independent, the investigators and journalists that cared to, to look into this. and even the scientists have done a miserable job. scientific community policing its own community because this was

a scientific venture. i'll be one led by the us government. and the scientific community has not asked hard questions. let me just say the origins of cyrus code to the virus, the causes coated is still unknown. i would put it at most likely, i would say overwhelmingly likely that it came out of the laboratory research rather than out of nature as has been told to us. but we still don't know for sure . but what i can tell you is that there's been a lot of fate news about this, that it surely came out of the marketplace and so forth. and this is deception, not an honest inquiries in the marketplace in china because there was a us guides that well let's get on then to this final day of the g 7 in the poorly a 7 countries as corporations, literally making

a killing out of what is going on in gaza. i mean, do you think it's there's a case of saying the g stands for genocide after what do you mean watching and saying these last 8 months in the latest round of violence that's been happening for decades in west asia in palestine. so the g 7 countries, but mainly the united states, which is the, the leader of the g 7. i grew into a lot of arrogance over the years of believing they could do what they want, say what they want when, where they would want to win and so on. this is gotten the world into a 3 massive i geo political crises right now. of course ukraine complete disaster for ukraine itself, 1st and foremost, but also for europe, the rest of the world. the devastating no more a genocidal war by israel gaza,

and tensions that are at the edge of exploding into open war in east asia. and especially over taiwan. the us is, to my mind, i irresponsible actor and all 3 of these events when it comes to ukraine. the responsibility is that this war could easily have been avoided, that i really being easily by nato. that means the u. s. declaring clearly, nato will not expand to ukraine. this was a promise given to the soviet and russian leaders back in the early 19 ninety's that made a wonderful one, each east ford and that day to has moved or tried to move relentlessly eastward and sorry to interrupt you for positive. you know that the circle john list,

some would say external group is repeating, this would unprovoked when it comes to russia. moving to save the ethic questions and these, what do you, do you just flinch? every time you hear this phrase unprovoked, which is used by, i don't flinch. i, i, last, i, and i guess do crazy just a little bit because 1st of all, this is a provoked war. second, the word unprovoked is proof out in the sense this is part of the talking points of all of these reporters. they wouldn't even come up with the same word, same exact word, repeated endlessly, word not so following. so this is a war that had many provocations. it was a war that could easily have been avoided. when i say many provocations, it goes back to the us plan to expand nato, to ukraine, to georgia. back to the 19 ninety's does big bridge inskeep,

contrary to promises that were made at the end of what we thought was the end of the cold war, i should say, i, the unilateral us withdrawal from the abm treaty in 2000 to the $78.00 days of the bombing of bell grade by the united states and its allies in 1999 to break that country apart and install a nato military base in cost of old, carved out from serbia. the overthrow of victory on a cold, which in february 2014 i where i victoria newland, the assistant secretary of state for european affairs at the time was point person for this. uh, an absolutely and collaboration on regime change in the absolute failure of the us . germany and france to abide by defend and i insist on the

implementation of the bids, 2 agreements per vote of the car. so it was provo tore, still come out of nowhere. i and do any one watching the history of this is seen these prob occasions all along. and the point that i keep making is that at the, at the, the 2020 ones i. this is already 9 years into conflict which started with the over trogie article, which i by the united states and right wing forces in ukraine. 9 years later, the big war could have been avoided and the fight didn't, could have stopped when russia put on the table a revised us russia. security arrangement based on ukraine is neutrality on the non enlargement of data. when i told the white house, then take it negotiate, of course there you find them off, agree but negotiate. i mean,

did you speak to the state department as i spoke to the white house? and i said don't ever more over this, this is obviously avoidable. you see, i know you're saying it's all b as in banking moon is being on this, you'll be able to watch our interview with him. and he certainly said things that he might not have said when he was secretary general. but you were advised that the secretary general's secretary's general about these the graphic. are you correct way to talk about them? if you, if you say this is so will be as does antonio gutierrez. don't know that it's that obvious because i think he may have used the word i'm provoked at one stage or other. i think you're the leaders around the world know that a, this is a proxy war. i'm not going to put words in anybody's mouth. least of all the secretary general, but i speak to a leaders all over the world. and i can tell you there is a wide spread feeling very wide spread that this is

a proxy war between the us and russia. that the nato enlargement is a key part of it, and that it should stop now with negotiations. and that ukraine is the 1st and foremost victim of all of this refusal on the western side to negotiate. and this was conference, so it's no longer neutral lawgiver went out. this was conference was a shambolic to begin with. and it's chip, all it all the way through. it is meaningless. i. it was a show. it's sad. it's sad to see switzerland be used this way. it really is sad to be to see switzerland used his way by the sacks off talking allow itself to be used this way. professor fax off copy of the bullet from columbia university as director of the center for sustainable development after the spring. the line, scott bennett, i'm a former united states army psychological warfare officer,

really served the state department counterterrorism office center, and that's where they'll daily the . so i wanted to come here to russia in the dawn bass area and to gather the facts, to take back to the american people. the hold on bass of the front lines, the square, the bombs and the bullets are raging. this is where people are dying. this is where the buildings are exploding the

all. i wanted to see 1st hand the scars of war, the hello and welcome to the cost of full born. here we discuss a real name, the welcome back to building on the ground. i'm still here with professor jeffrey sachs, president of the united nation sustainable development solutions network. for us, you were talking about how the switch conference today doesn't mean much. obviously brush has not invited in to it. you're supporting jill stein. i understand how for the us presidency, presidential elections. it looks like trump, many of the polls are saying,

will there be any difference when it comes to gaza, a specific he or will they definitely be some change on ukraine or very difficult to tell. based on the pronouncements and trump and that back as we should say, that there are prominent is riley lobbyist backing backing for biden. and for trump, look my advice to the rest of the world, which is so i 95.9 percent of the world because the us is 4 point one percent that the world population is be serious. the consequent insist on truth hanging together and don't expect to any miracles, even stability, necessarily from the united states. the us is going to be stable and unpredictable. i after november, no matter what happens i. neither of the 2 lead candidates is a, is a candidate for peace. they each have their own different modes of behavior. but

neither is going to bring the kind of a reason i a peaceful approach to the world that we are urgently need. it's going to have to come from the rest of the world that says, look, you're a big and powerful country, but you cannot run roughshod over the world. and the us bluster say will lead the way. we'll leave this agency, we'll leave this a walk out of this pre to get it may do many things, but the rest of the world is much, much bigger part of humanity. i ended by acting wisely, judiciously operating under the un charter abiding by treaties being patient with us. please give it time to get back to normal. i think that this is the best

approach because for all the optimism it breaks conferences. the recent one does one coming up in uh, cuz on, if you are a world leader and you do advise some of them, i to presume to you give that advice to them. what do you suppose to do? and you were threatened by you. people from the state department or some of the other agencies of the united states when you refused to obey us policy, whether it be a threat to your car and see whether it be to media attacks on your country. we've seen that growing during the gaza conflict when some gcc countries oppose us policy on what's happening and doesn't. what are they supposed to do? but a back to i think what they are seeing is that the, these us sanctions and i arm twisting approaches are just not as decisive as was generally considered even a year or 2 or 3 ago, after all i what was going to quote to feet,

russia this was taking russia out of the swift banking system. this was the western sanctions that were going to be put on it. of course it failed, utterly and completely. this is part of the point of the brick. so the bricks, countries are now 36 percent of world outputs compared to 29 percent of the g 7 were in a different age a. so yes, threats can be made, but i don't think that they can be decisive. i. i think if the rest of the world is calm and cool and not divided relentlessly, as the us tries to do because that after all is the basic strategy of the empire is a deal of the day at inter divide and conquer. if the rest of the world is stable, i careful. i, i would say very prudent and professional in each state craft and diplomacy.

these threats are just not so powerful. they're illegal in international law. they are really twist international institutions out of shape which don't want to be twisted out of shape. and so i think that there's actually real opportunity here for progress even with the united states. it's not, it's not cooperating. or, you know, one of the things that will move the 2 state solution to really being implemented in is the unity of the european countries. i, they've been very, very clear in re odd last november in the, in bach rain. in may, the bach rained declaration is support. it lays out what needs to be done. the king about rain has a further consultative course with the president,

proven with president huge in pay. this is what the way watch it wants diplomacy. it wants a systematic approach. it does want the united states saying to one year of country, our side will give you some goodies, but break with the rest. it doesn't want that. and this kind of unity will prevail. it because we all mean that the one state solution is a molar to walk about amongst the palestinian resistance groups. it has to be said and you really saying to me that, but let me say let, let me just say a word about that. if i may, there is an overwhelming world wide consensus that we need to states for 2 people right now. and there is absolutely a one state solution top of mind among guys, both sides of this conflict and a that is the,

unfortunately the path to continued war and the world, whether it's china or russia, or brazil, or india, or even it's mumbling way, the united states but a veto is all practical approaches so far. i says look, yeah, we've got to settle this on the basis of the international law dating back to 1947 actually and 1967 and analysts and was a discussions. so that's the, the world wide to view the united states is blocked it repeatedly on israel's behalf. it'd be as rarely government definitely wants a one state solution. they call it greater israel. i don't disagree with the one states. i just mean that kind of went from page to say, who provides. i know i, but i'm telling you that if we're going to have peace, it's going to be peace on the basis of what the world says. we need to stop the

depths, the killing, the software it, which is horrendous, which is genocide. it needs to stop. yeah. you remark recently on the fact that the nearby rain went to moscow and the bathing. we know that the, the kingdom is add your a beer is refusing to come wild production on the orders of the united states ahead of november election. so what happens as the united states really run out of threats then against these dcc countries that are clearly uh for very different policies as regards gaza. the u. a of course was uh, holding a rotating pen. have you and security council kept on trying to put forward resolutions? the united states is gonna just give up on threatening gcc countries. they can rest easy, or we, in this region, going to expect whether the threats and i mean not sanctions, it can be reputational damage. and media

a lot my my own view of this is that uh since 1915 the error world has been manipulated repeatedly. uh, it has been india manipulated by the mcmann letters of the britain promising an error to state the after the end of world war one. it was manipulated and dislikes the code treaty was manipulated in uh, uh, uh, in uh, the balfour declaration which was contradictory to those 1st 2 initiative. so in other words, brenton was what an empire is. it was utterly deceitful and arrogant and imposed together with france and america's acquiescence. a per size settlement that meant a 100 years plus of manipulation of europe. world, everybody knows this. this is a long,

sad story of outside manipulation. my own view for whatever it's worth is that this era of manipulation can come to an end. it comes to an end by unity. because the yes, the us, uh, if it's dealing with one particular country, you don't have a lot of power. if it's dealing with the $22.00 members of the europe, league have much less if it's dealing with the $57.00 countries of the organization of islam of cooperation. virtually not, these threats don't count in less. those who are threatened to allow themselves to be divided and manipulated by an outside threat. i think the world's changing, i think good. the idea that one country weather was britain, it's up to was 1945 for the united states. afterwards. i

can make it l z, so threatening to others, manipulate international organizations, manipulate the international payment system. i think that this era is really at an end and the we are entering a multi polar world. but it's very dangerous this moment. let's just find the look at the danger. so this is without an i n f treaty is we know, what did you make then of, uh, the united states, a by the ministration changing policy saying that the weapons that the same thing like britain did a while back. and france and germany, they can talk at russia directly. and the united states. now saying the as of battalion, you might have to describe whether they are not seeing kline because you're banned from saying that's inclined if you're in brit. uh, what do you make of these announcement of being able to target russia directly of arming the as of battalion as a russian worship,

talks in nevada with hypersonic miss us looks 1st of all by the loser of all of this is the ukranian people perhaps of 500000 depths of ukrainians a to this point devastation of so much of ukraine. i. this is largely at the best of the united states. because when an agreement between russia and ukraine was tended to believe reached in ankara in march 2022, based on one principle that will end this war, ukraine's neutrality. the us sloop did, boris johnson swooped in and said, don't take it your own way and well, this was a, a, a terrible, terrible advice, but a piece of advice. but it was also a dreadful awful miscalculation. i'm sorry to interrupt his very breeding 600000

killed hundreds of thousands killed because of us several 100000 more debts in ukraine of ukrainians because of that decision without question. of course, it's a auto tragedy. ukraine is often losing more than a 1000 people to were dead and wounded every day. right now on the battlefield. i rushes military superiority of the air and artillery is very clear. it's, it's the us that keeps pushing them to, to fight to the last few crania knows that a dreadful ironic, good phrase. so puts it, but there's accuracy to it. it's the us now take arms can't fight and keep fighting, keep dying. instead of negotiating a basic point neutrality, a space between the us led military alliance and russia justice space. this is a good rocket science. this is

a basic idea of state crap that goes back more than 2000 years. leave a little space in between the major powers and there can be peace. and so as regards this talk, you think of russia as well. everything is an installation right now because i think among other things we know in american history, i don't lose before an election. so by now it has an election coming up in november and they don't want to see something like we saw in afghanistan in 2021. another. do us a misadventure the day to 40 yours by the way, long story, different one. but in any event, they don't want to see that before november, so they keep the sco atory pap, which is extraordinarily dangerous and extraordinarily reckless and good. we should be pretty peeved about it because it's putting the whole world at risk for hazard

jeffries ex. thank you. great to be with you. thank you. that's over the show. i'll continue condolences to those re by u. k. u s. u, i'm genocide will be back on monday with the electronic intifada is valuable. niema to breakdown falls narratives about israel's genocide in nature. mainstream media and you'll then keep in touch by social media if it's so expensive, you know, country and i to a channel going underground tv on normal don't come to it's new and old episodes on going undergrad. see monday, the what is part of the, the employee would post to isn't the defense, you was sent that in the word or is it something deeper, more complex?

might the present good? let's stop without please. is that scope out of as it's, it's almost uh, almost a cliche in the west, but this whole idea of with my, to the last your brain in some truth behind it. i mean, think about it for the american, the $60000000000.00 for the reason. a package, not a lot of money. a lot of money stays within the united states in terms of the defense contracts and the like and pulled off money that, you know, they buy time like prolonged a wall to keep rush of busy. you know, this is the, ultimately, that's what the west is doing. is all about you know, trying to preserve west to the hague higgin monday. the,

the line, scott bennett, i'm a former united states army psychological warfare officer. really served in the state department counterterrorism office under investor del daily. so i wanted to come here to russia in the dawn bass area and gather the facts to take back to the american people for the course or the .