our history, we have to get rid of everything the the action or time see and welcome back to going underground rule cussing over on the world from the u. a. in a week when russian nuclear submarines, doctors, and havana today is the final day for g 7 leaders including easily and genocide in gaza and targeting russia with missiles, it follows bricks, foreign ministers, including the res jacob dela inside allowing meeting in russia to try the new multi polar world away from the catastrophic nature of nation rules based on to joe biden . that will be in l. a. with the butcher of libya, barack obama and celebrities, george clooney, and julia roberts to finance his election campaign. even he refused to go to

switzerland today, hosting a bizarre ukraine. peace conference with russia is banned from attending to lensky who is out to a democracy and u. k. p. m. or she's an academic elected by the popular vote to be pm in britain will be that the apparently, and these dangerous times when you pay a war is arguably never be nearer. i'm drawing from new york by a full re advisor to a successive un secretary general. professor jeffrey sachs is director of the center for sustainable development at columbia university and president of the you and sustainable development solutions network. yes of is a special advisor to you and x rays, general cooking on mankey moon and antonio gutierrez, thank you so much for business expo. coming on, you being tyler's in your i was trying to alert the weld for the need for negotiations on ukraine and gaza. i suppose i have to ask you to give them your former advisor to so many governments. why your no more on so called mainstream media you want, so i'm going to blacklist you are not needed your voice, these dreamless think as well as in the united states. so the word negotiation

became a dirty word, so they don't want to hear much about this and they don't want to admit that it's the united states, utter failure of diplomacy. that is the real story of the continuation of the crime war. so it's a, it's a little bit hard to get to through on i, these are essentially a government mediated media in, in the us. they're not owned by the us government, but they seem to depend on the official narrative as their guide post. and i, most of the american people don't trust this, they are not in favor of the foreign policy that bite and has been pursuing, i, they want a change. and so they're hearing it even if it's not the main screen, but channels. yeah, i mean we are to name drop i was, i saw on the phone to see more hush the other day and actually side came on the show off to his piece about the node stream pipelines, supplying energy to germany,

which is boomed and going on to go and produces a track down your own. bloomberg. on october the to the 2022 and the percentage on came interrupted. you see me outrage thing, jeff. we've got to stop that when you suggested that the united states could have been involved. and that was before i see much as a piece and you said, i know this runs counter to a narrative and you're not allowed to say these things in the west. i was that interesting? well, you know what, when i post spoken to was some leading journal, as of course they agree with me. i privately but publicly their, their papers or the media say just the opposite of. so to meredith is like, is a game. but a very deadly one. and a very stupid one in a lot of ways. so much of what we hear a day to day is just lies. it's just

a minute. elation i, it doesn't even really pass for the truth. but in the past, this time, i saw that our government officials have something to say, even when they're doing outragious things. i mean, in terms of scale, even higher than guys and ukraine cove, it was a huge store. you were on the launch at cove, it commissioned the launch at the pre eminent scholarly journal in britain and medical journal. you maintain that coverage and bio warfare were related as regards to the, the warranty. they're obviously a story that we can't even talk about here. and if we want to be a well, a g, the a, it's a very, it's a very strange thing the, the pandemic, a claim to around 20 millions lives. there are very good reasons to believe that the virus came out of a laboratory work paid for funded brainstorm by the us and

actually having a serious discussion about it has been extraordinarily difficult. you can imagine why the us government does have won an open investigation. but what is surprising to me is how if you, a supposedly independent, the investigators and journalist cared to, to look into this. and even the scientists have done a miserable job, scientific community policing its own community because this was a scientific venture. i'll be one led by the us government. and the scientific community has not asked her questions. let me just say the origins of cyrus code to the virus, the causes covered, is still unknown. i would put it at most likely. i would say overwhelmingly likely that it came out of the laboratory research rather than out of nature as has

been told to us. but we still don't know for sure. but what i can tell you is that there's been a lot of fate news about this, that it surely came out of the marketplace and so forth. and this is deception, not an honest inquiries in the marketplace in china because there was a us guides that well, let's get on into this final day of the g 7 in the poorly 7 countries as corporations, literally making a killing out of what is going on in gaza, i mean, do you think it's there's a case of saying the g stands for genocide after what do you mean watching and saying these past 8 months in the latest round of violence that's been happening for decades in west asia in palestine. c, g 7 countries, but mainly the united states, which is the, the leader of the g 7. i grew into

a lot of arrogance over the years of believing they could do what they want, say what they want when, where they would want to win. and so on. this is gotten the world into a 3 massive geo political crises right now. of course ukraine complete disaster for ukraine itself, 1st and foremost. but also for europe, the rest of the world. the devastating no more a genocidal war by israel gaza, and tensions that are at the edge of exploding into open war in east asia and especially over tie. one of us is to my mind, i irresponsible after an all 3 of these events when it comes to ukraine. the responsibility is that this war could easily

have been avoided, that i really mean easily by nato. that means the u. s. declaring clearly, nato will not expand to ukraine. this was a promise given to the soviet and russian leaders back in the early 19 ninety's that made a wonderful one each eastward. and that day to has moved or tried to move relentlessly eastward, and the, sorry to interrupt you, professor with you know, that the circle john list. some would say stenographers repeating this would unprovoked when it comes to russia. moving to save the questions in these, what do you do you just flinch every time you hear this phrase unprovoked, which is used by, i don't flinch. i, i last i and i guess do crating it a little bit. because 1st of all, this is a provoked war. second, the word unprovoked is proof out in the sense that this is part of the talking

points of all of these reporters. they wouldn't even come up with the same word, same exact word, repeated endlessly. we're not so following. so this is a war that had many prop occasions. it was a war that could easily have been avoided. when i say many provocations, it goes back to the us plan to expand nato, to ukraine, to georgia. back to the 19 ninety's does big brzezinski, contrary to promises that were made at the end of what we thought was the end of the cold war, i should say, i, the unilateral us withdrawal from the abm treaty in 2000 to the $78.00 days of the bombing of bell grade by the united states and its allies in 1999 to break that country apart and install a nato military base in cost of old,

carved out from serbia. the overthrow of victory on a co which in february 2014 i where victoria newland, the assistant secretary of state for european affairs at the time was point person for this and absolutely and collaboration on regime change in the absolute failure of the us germany and france to abide by, defend, and i insist on the implementation of the bids, 2 agreements per vote of the car, so it was provo torso, come out of nowhere. i and do any one watching the history of this is seen these prob occasions all along and the point that i keep making is that at the, at the a 2020 was i. this is already 9 years into conflict which

started with the over trogie article, which by the united states and right wing forces in ukraine. 9 years later, the big war could have been avoided and the fight in could have stopped. when russia put on the table, a revised us russia security arrangement based on ukraine's neutrality on the non enlargement of data. when i told the white house, then take it, they'll go, she ate, of course there you find them off, agree but negotiate. i mean, did you speak to the state department as i spoke to the white house and a guy said don't ever more over this, this is obviously avoidable. you see, i know you're saying it's all v as in banking moon is being on this, you'll be able to watch our interview with them. and he certainly said things that he might not have said when he was secretary general. the you were advised that the secretary general's secretaries general about of these the graphic. are you correct way to talk about them?

if you, if you say this is so will be as does antonio gutierrez. don't know that it's that obvious, because i think you may have used the word unprovoked at one stage or other. i think you bet leaders around the world know, is that a, this is a proxy war. i'm not going to put words in anybody's mouth. least of all the secretary general, but i speak to a leaders all over the world. and i can tell you there is a wide spread feeling very wide spread that this is a proxy war between the us and russia. that the nato enlargement is a key part of it, and that it should stop now with negotiations. and that ukraine is the 1st and foremost victim of all of this refusal on the western side to negotiate. and this was conference, so it's a no longer neutral log of the way out. this was conference was a shambolic to begin with and it's chip,

all it all the way through. it is meaningless. i. it was a show. it's sad. it's sad to see switzerland be used this way. it really is sad to me to see switzerland use this way. as a fax office don't allow itself to be used this way. professor, fax, i'll stop you. the more from columbia university as director of the center for sustainable development after the spring, the, the, the

beautiful, sun soaked vineyards nestled among some rest, taking rolling hills as a gentle breeze comes off of the surrounding sea comic imagery of french one country. but this has not france. we are in a coupon at russia on the black sea where recently they've got the serious about making some world class wants the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with professor jeffrey sykes, president with united nation sustainable development solutions network. the press you told me about how the swiss conference today doesn't mean much. obviously brush is not invited in to it. you're supporting deal stein. i understand how for the us presidency,

presidential elections. it looks like trump, many of the polls are saying, will there be any difference when it comes to gaza, specifically, or will they definitely be some change on ukraine or very difficult to tell. based on the pronouncements of trump and the back as we should say, that there are prominent is riley will be as backing the backing for biden. and for trump, look my advice to the rest of the world, which is so i 95.9 percent of the world because the us is 4 point one percent of the world population is be serious. the consequent insist on truth hanging together and don't expect uh, any miracles, even stability necessarily from the united states. the us is going to be stable and unpredictable. i after november, no matter what happens i. neither of the 2 lead candidates is a, is

a candidate for peace. they each have their own different modes of behavior. but neither is going to bring the kind of a reason i a peaceful approach to the world that we urgently need. it's going to have to come from the rest of the world that says, look, you're a big and powerful country, but you cannot run roughshod over the world. and the us bluster and say, will lead the way. we'll leave this agency. we'll leave this a walk out of this pre to yet it may do many things, but the rest of the world is much, much bigger part of humanity. i ended by acting wisely, judiciously operating under the un charter abiding by treaties. be patient with us, please give it time to get back to normal. i think that this is the best approach

because for all the optimism it breaks conferences. the recent one does one coming up in cuz on, if you are a world leader and you do advise some of them i to present to you give that advice to them. what do you suppose to do? and you were threatened by people from the state department or some of the other agencies of the united states when you refused to obey us policy, whether it be a threat to your car and see whether it be 2 media attacks on your country. we've seen that growing during the gaza conflict when some gcc countries oppose us policy on what's happening and cause, what are they supposed to do but a back? so i think what they are seeing is that the, these us sanctions and i arm twisting approaches are just not as decisive as was generally considered even

a year or 2 or 3 ago, after all i what was going to quote, to feet, russia. this was taking russia out of the swift banking system. this was the western sanctions that were going to be put on it. of course it failed, utterly and completely. this is part of the point of the brick. so the bricks, countries are now 36 percent of world outputs compared to 29 percent of the g 7 were in a different age a. so yes, threats can be made, but i don't think that they can be decisive. i. i think if the rest of the world is calm and cool and not divided relentlessly, as the us tries to do because that after all is the basic strategy of the empire is a deal of the day at inter divide and conquer. if the rest of the world is

stable, i careful. i, i would say very prudent and professional in each state craft and diplomacy. these threats are just not so powerful. they're illegal in international law. they are really twist international institutions out of shape which don't want to be twisted out of shape. and so i think that there's actually real opportunity here for progress even with the united states, not it's not cooperating. or, you know, one of the things that will move the 2 state solution to really being implemented in is the unity of the european countries. they've been very, very clear in re odd last november in the, in bach rain. in may, the bach rained declaration to support it lays out what needs to be done. the king

about rain has a further consultative course with president pool with president children pay. this is what the way watch it wants diplomacy. it wants a systematic approach. it does want the united states saying to one error on our side will give you some goodies, but break with the rest. it doesn't want that. and this kind of unity will prevail because we only have the one state solution is a multiple come out amongst the palestinian resistance group. it has to be said and you really saying to me that, but let me say, let, let, let me just say word about that. if i may, there is an over whelming world wide consensus that we need to states for 2 people right now. and there is absolutely a one state solution top of mind among guys, both sides of this conflict and

a that is the, unfortunately, the path to continued war and the world, whether it's china or russia, or brazil, or india, or even it's mumbling way, the united states but a veto is all practical approaches so far. i says look, you know, we've got to settle this on the basis of the international law dating back to 1947 actually. and 1967 analysts analysts a discussions. so that's the, the world wide to view the united states is blocked. it repeatedly on israel's behalf is rarely government definitely wants a one state solution. they call it greater israel. i don't disagree with the one state. so i just mean that kind of went from page to say who, who provides, i know i, but i'm telling you that if we're going to have peace,

it's going to be peace on the basis of what the world says. we need to stop the depths, the killing, the software it, which is horrendous, which is genocide or it needs to stop. yeah. you remark recently on the fact that the nearby rain went to moscow and then bathing. we knew that the, the kingdom is ad. you re beer is refusing to come wild production on the orders of the united states ahead of november election. so what happens as the united states really run out of threats then against these dcc countries that are clearly uh for very different policies as regards gaza. you a of course, was uh, holding a rotating pin. have you in security council kept on trying to put forward uh, resolutions the united states is gonna just give up on threatening gcc countries that can rest easy, or we in this region going to expect for other threats. and

i mean, not sanctions, it can be reputational damage and media. i love my, my own view. what this is that uh, since 1915, the error world has been manipulated repeatedly i. it is the name be manipulated by the mcmann letters of the britain promising i an error to state the after the end of world war one. it was manipulated and dislikes the code treaty was manipulated in, uh, uh, uh, in uh, the balfour declaration which was contradictory to those 1st 2 initiatives. in other words, britain was what an empire is. it was utterly deceitful and arrogant and imposed together with france and america's acquiescence. a per size settlement that meant a 100 years plus of manipulation of the europe world. everybody knows this. this is

a long, sad story of outside manipulation. my own view for whatever it's worth is that this era of manipulation can come to an end. it comes to an end by unity. because the yes, the us, uh, if it's dealing with one particular country, you don't have a lot of power. if it's dealing with the $22.00 members of the or a league of much less if it's dealing with the $57.00 countries of the organization of islam of cooperation. virtually not, these threats don't count. in less, those were threatened to allow themselves to be divided and manipulated by an outside threat. i think the world's changing, i think good. the idea that one country weather was britain,

it's up to was 1945 for the united states. afterwards. i can make it on rules that threaten the others, manipulate international organizations, manipulate the international payment system. i think that this era is really at an end and we are entering a multi polar world. but it's very dangerous this moment. let's just find the look at the danger. so this is without an i n f treaty is we know, what did you make then of, uh, the united states, a by the ministration changing policy saying that the weapons that the same thing like britain did a while back. and france and germany, they can target russia directly. and the united states. now saying the as of battalion, you might have to describe whether they are not seeing kline because you're banned from saying, though it's inclined if you're in brit. uh, what do you make of these announcement of being able to target russia directly of

arming the as of battalion as russian worship talks in nevada with hypersonic miss us next. first of all, by the loser of all of this is the ukranian people, perhaps of 500000 depths of ukrainians, a to this point to the devastation of so much of ukraine. i. this is largely at the best of the united states. because when an agreement between russia and ukraine was tended to believe reached in ankara in march 2022, based on one principle that will end this war, ukraine's neutrality. the u. s. sloop did, boris johnson, swamp did said don't take it your own way and well, this was a, a, a terrible, terrible advice, but a piece of advice, but it was also

a dreadful awful miscalculate. i'm sorry, you would just pay breeding 600000 killed. hundreds of thousands killed because of this several 100000 more debts in ukraine of ukrainians because of that decision without question. of course, it's a auto tragedy. ukraine is often losing more than a 1000 people to were dead and wounded every day right now on the battlefield. i rushes military superiority of the air and artillery is very clear. it's, it's the us that keeps pushing them to, to fight to the last few crania knows that a dreadful ironic, good phrase puts it, but there's accuracy to it. it's the us now take our arms, can't fight and keep fighting, keep dying. instead of negotiating a basic point, neutrality, a space between the us led military alliance and russia,

justice space. this is a good rocket science. this is a basic idea of state crap that goes back more than 2000 years, leave a little space in between the major powers and there can be peace. and so as regards this talk, you think of russia as well. everything is an installation right now because i think among other things we know in american history, i don't lose before an election. so by now it has an election coming up in november . i and they don't want to see something like we saw in afghanistan in 2021 another doomed us misadventure. the dated 40 yours by the way, long story, different one. but in any event, they don't want to see that before november. so they say keep the go a tory path, which is extraordinarily dangerous and extraordinarily reckless and good. we should be pretty peeved about it because it's putting the whole world at risk for hazard

jeffries ex. thank you. a great to be with you. thank you. that's over the show, i'll continue condolences to those re by u. k. u s u, i'm genocide will be back on monday with the electronic intifada is valuable. nima to breakdown false narratives about israel's genocide in nature, mainstream media until then keep in touch via social media. if it's so expensive, you'll country and i to a channel going underground tv on normal. don't come to watching, you know, the episodes i'm going underground see monday the

it's, it's almost uh, almost a cliche in the west. but this whole idea of with my, to the last your brain in that some truth behind it. i mean, think about it for the american, the $60000000000.00 for the reason. a package, not a lot of money. a lot of money stays within the united states in terms of the defense contracts and the like. i pulled off money that, you know, they fight side, they prolonged the wall. the keep rush of busy, you know, this is the, ultimately, this what the west is doing is on a file, you know, trying to preserve west to the hague higgin monday. the.