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the 911 with the address to the emergency. a manual display, depo shot down here. please send somebody right away. the manual charge me want and there's people shot the shot to pass on demanding the check. please come right away. did you see him at all? yes, he's a young 21. why do? street and when the police are not in human what happened is the mother of manuel and the church in charleston, south carolina, in the summer of 2015, was almost to her risk to comprehend the white gun and stormed into

a bible study. 9 church members died right before god. another dispute for church, you were in charge. what do we know about who this man is and what is motivation? they have been you rape our women, and you taken over the country, you have to go shortly after dylan rufus capture investigators found a racist manifesto. he posted online, along with dozens of images, posing that confederate heritage sites in with confederate flags. now the focus of the nations outrage shifted from the killer themselves to the symbol that seem to contain within its borders. all the racial hatred and roofs harks the backlash was swift. terrific shooting has re ignited the highly sensitive debate over the confederate flags. this flag is become a symbol of murder, races, hatred, and it is clearly

a symbol of this killer. the conversation we're having about the confederate flag, has been about moral empathy, seeing the flag through others eyes. you know, at the moment for society to really do a good check of our values, corporate giants like ebay target and wal mart, stop selling items bearing the confederate flag, telling me right now literally just now in the last couple of minutes. in less, less 2 minutes, amazon just pulled the flag as well. even nascar, an icon of traditional southern culture turned against the flag with an appeal to patriotism. a special offer for race fans this weekend. you can train in your confederate flag for an american one. anti flag momentum reached a climax when president obama delivered the eulogy for mother a manual pastor clement of painting. removing the flag from the space capital would not be an act of political correctness. it would not be an insult to the malware.

the confederates on the main and acknowledged cause for which they fall of slavery. 2 weeks later, the flag came down and south carolina testified for, i get, getting a lot of attention as all because of this, the rebel banner to make, you know, i'm not the listing care about me. you care about the play and as far as the sort of small 16, do you think the confederate flag is offensive? as you can see, it's about even with somebody. just tell me why this sense are here. our government is functioning the chosen symbol of a terrorist organization. on our state far. i love the 7 or i love the southern

bell. i think we have the most beautiful flag to fight for my problem is the safe place to replace everyone in not a time in east. and what they're gonna do is they're trying to tell us as mississippians that we should change change. you don't want the i was born and raised in the north. my irish great great grandfather, michael o'connor was an officer in the union army. but i married in mississippi and,

and of course we live here now. the main street in the neighboring town is not called main street. it's jeff davis avenue, named after jefferson davis, a mississippi plantation owner, and us senator, who advocated for the expansion of slavery into the new territory. he was elected president of the confederacy. there's another jeff davis avenue, the short drive away. and jefferson davis, his home in presidential library, is just up the highway like many mississippi county court house as a monument to confederate soldiers. and some of our neighbors splitting the states flag in their yards. something that never seen any place else. so yes, in mississippi. remnants of the confederacy are everywhere. but even at the civil war relics, joe and brandon,

mississippi change seems inevitable to tell me what sort of interactions are you having with folks who are interested in buying mississippi states. people are buying mississippi state plank more than usual. evidently, there must be a shortage on a road somewhere in it. a shame my name is tim cupid. i'm a member of the sons of confederate veterans. when i started doing my family research, i found that my family photo on both sides union and confederate, but to some people lane last sunday. the lane, right, well, island, south. we want people to remember our past what our ancestors went through. and this prize that we made the,

i appreciate you being here and i hope that when you're doing your documentary that you present both sides on a positive manner and, and let people make them on that for themselves. i understood that considered a heritage supporters like tim might be suspicious of my intentions. i am a yankee after all. i assured him and everyone else i spoke to on the film that i wasn't going to choose aside. mister bates. and i wasn't here to judge anyone. i simply wanted to understand why mississippians were so divided over state flag whose purpose should be to unite us. mm.

the sons of confederate veterans purposes not defend, considered our purposes to defend the good name of the confederates. so that's the of that you take, which i take very seriously because these monuments that you see everywhere or not can, but they're not monuments to the federal government. they're monuments to the, to this elders, to the veterans. most of the came back terribly wanted the ship side that those masters of some sort and that's not true. and so i can't just sit there while that story gets told this. i know it's not true. of course, for me,

i'm fascinated with mississippi history and particularly because the census in 1840, i think the 1st one, everybody here was 20 years old. everybody to know people anywhere. and they were coming to absolutely raleigh and. and it, within 20 years of that, you're fighting for your existence as a nation, the desktop, the, that's how we got here was a state of the, or the same dna. so not do not, not only with suite one anus any part in for any it say not done. look, this state flag,

she never would have been brought back up. if it wasn't for what happened on june the 17. in charleston, south carolina. they want you to believe that that flag grew hands and legs came down. that pole walked in that church and field, those people or it was a human being that did that. not a slide the open your mouth. open your mouth, the we keep them your mouth open, it does something with a concussion. every flag has its history. it has its broad and dark parts. we won't talk about dark parts, you know, we can mention how slavery was brought in under the us flag. there's videos of this

one organization marching down. i believe it's pennsylvania avenue in washington dc . and they're only flying us flag. so, why not be offended because of that's like, you know, if we're going to be offended by everything, every negative part of our history, we have to get rid of everything. the dates you say you are fighting for your heritage where your heritage was based on money and power in the only way you can get money and power here. new style is if you kill a disenfranchised people, it's like plain as i always knew what the confederate emblem meant to us is of african

americans. but what can you tell me what it always meant? patriot lynchings, beatings, poverty. why supremacy is just the disgusting ambulance? i feel that way because i leave the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just

a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions fixtures designed to simplify. it will confuse she really was say better. well, i mean it just because it shows very few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusions, going underground can or the state is a serious disease suffix or just

references and a flag is always present like it was, is south carolina shock rent the the thing about the mississippi mississippi,

the lot of phones of considered veterans and members of the k k k. i say that they are christian. i just it is my hope in my desire that god would push them super tre. christine, how do you change the heart of a man? no may not change. so it can, it does change the habits of man. when you begin to change the habits of men for this purpose on the hops will be changed. my mother, she file for welfare wise for women. they how sit down with hoses. she still have

the bite marks only from the dog. and she also went to jail and i was like to know this, my mama, why, why? i mean, she's the sweetest person. oh no one was somebody to do that to her it was upheld when the news came on about the shooting. mamma say that they don't make no sense. if i stood up and went to jail and get b for human rights and civil rights, some way of feeling right now be able to do something. and when she said, y'all better do something we did is something, or i'm the director of a flat file. mississippians coalition. i've just been going around trying to raise awareness about the importance of removing the confederate ambling from our state flag is going to be hard,

but it's not impossible. you just have to keep pushing. it keeps driving. i just thank god for the grace and mercy because you need a whole lot of people march from j. r lynch street to the state capital calling for change and the state slide. we just need a flag that were unified. everyone not long after i met sharon's, she stepped away from her leadership role with the flag for all mississippians initiative to the health reasons. it would be some time before i could talk to sharon on camera again. she found her the ally and lia campbell, an anti flag activist on the mississippi gulf coast. for me as a white woman, it's incumbent upon me as a, as a white, mississippi, and

a person of privilege. to use my privilege to do what i can to dismantle a system of white supremacy and symbols of white supremacy. but my ancestors created the i grew up in the south. so i didn't have a sense of the racism that still exist here. and um, it would be an i me or anyone else to deny that that exist. then the shooting in charleston happened, and i distinctly remember saying the best photo doing raised closing with the confederate bar and reading his blog post. and then watch governor nikki haley, have the courage to take that confederate envelope down from south carolina state house grounds. it really made me angry that our governor and our

legislators could not display the same courage. um, so i knew i had to get involved. were fighting the do you feel when they everywhere legs her that why why what we are better than mrs city is better than the

this wasn't the 1st time mississippians have wrestled over their flag in 1993 html, a c p. c. with the state to change the flag for familiar reasons. that lawsuit level discovery that due to a legislative error in 19 o, 6, mississippi did not have an official state flag in 2001 governor. ronnie must grow decided to settle the issue with a statewide referendum, asking voters to choose between 2 flags, the current flag at the time which had been adopted and $1894.00 and a new design. now the mississippi flag is wavering. at this time, voters will decide if the confederate symbol will fall. the flag of 18941 by nearly 2 to one margin, settling the issue for the time being the

flag of 18. 94 was adopted. just 4 years after mississippi had convened the constitutional convention to write a new state constitution, the civil war had ended 30 years earlier. and although black mississippians made up nearly 60 percent of the states population, only one of the convention delegates was black. reconstruction was over, and white mississippians had regained political controls and the majority black population through violence and intimidation, and a newly formed ku klux klan. the president of the convention made it clear that their goal was to circumvent the 15th amendment, which prohibited the government from denied a citizen the right to vote based on race. let's tell the truth. civic 1st, the bottom of the university said we came here to exclude the other convention. delegates confirmed this notion

the mississippi's constitution of 18. 90 included a poll tax and a literacy test that effectively prevented generations of black citizens from voting until the passage of the voting rights act. some 75 years later, it was in this political climate that the flag of 1894 was born. the back of this will flag trade planning on the flags all over the street. you know, as i got the horizontal limbs hanging out. so i was like, well, i'll put some flags out. so i'm a true blooded, southern mississippi, mississippi, southern man. right. and, and, and accepted, and i are relishing that because that's who i am. that's who, who i,

where my family is coming from. my family has lived in the state of mississippi before it even became a state of the i am a direct descendant of james jefferson. johnson is my great, great great grandfather. he fought in the 41st mississippi infantry and just as my sons of confederate veterans certificates, what really got me this part of a route joining some kind of a confederate organization is because of what's going on in the country and discrimination against black people discrimination against the jews within scrutinizing or against us. and what about who's currently engaged in southern they accuse us of all being races, you know, and it's a sign of or 1000000 is what the play me. so a lot of people and that's why i like k k and other groups used to play the part that me off the worst is ours, my ancestors would have put a stop to it before you know, a got to the point that is today,

where anytime i say that by that automatically seems to take a type of person the what is referred to as a confederate flag. graphically, it is funny. however, you can't separate it from all that it is stood for and a negative sense. i'd love for us to have a symbol about which people just had no evidence whatsoever. we're at the moment we're we can do this right and well and respectfully for all involved. i don't like name collins. i don't like rallies where people are yelling back and forth all along the way from the way i present things. so we have design a flag. i want everybody to have a stitch, a thread in that new design. and i hope to be that middle ground, that landing point for folks who, you know, as time has passed and they come along, i think. and all right, now we need something new. it began with

a whole lot of sketching, a lot of know, taking a lot of research aside really as a living symbol and document and piece of art. but there are 19 stars along the outer edge where the 20th state to join the union, the color red symbolizes passion and blood. i chose the color white as a field because it, it represents elimination spirituality promise. and i thought that was an appropriate way to bring together all of these elements and all of these aspects of our history and our story of the, of course, my grandfather was a us senate and he was one of the co authors and signers of the southern manifesto which was a reaction against the brown vs board of education. integrating schools. and he was involved in, um, we have the impression of african americans in our state by way of policy. but i still love my grandfather. his personal motto was look ahead and he did, he eventually changed himself to on that issue. lauren's flag design known as this

dennis flag quickly became popular and caught the attention of state representative kathy sikes, who was the 1st legislator to advocate for the spanish flag as a viable alternative to the flag of 18. 94. there was a time when i started to was abused to retain flowers divided the continental line for tom long's themselves. it was divided as a hunting ground. if we do not do not the corner knives as we come out again, we know that they are those who want the mazda continent to step and 8, but the mazda clinton, and can never be stopped, because the mazda continent must be great. she will only be great on the shore, does all of us sons and daughters on by the sun. all right,

so now click on the good news console. and let us confess about underground east. the mazda upon the, the, the rabbit collapse of the ottoman empire, gave the arabs hope for independence, but the co loan ill bower. so their future differently. great britain and france agreed on the seizure of the air of lands under the guise of the so called mandate of the league of nations. this bible play caused particular indignation in a rack, which was to get under the control of the british. in may 1921 rest with claim for independence broke out, both assuming and that she took part in it. soon the rallies turned into

a real uprising against the invaders. more than 130000 people took up arms. britain urgently began to transfer reinforcements to a rack and used aircraft radius war. secretary winston churchill birds, the use of chemical weapons against the rebels. and general ser i. omer, haile deign bordered the destruction of any village where weapons were found. burning a village properly takes a long time. an hour or more according to sized paulding recalls cynically. in his memoirs, the media build girl d paid off. the revolt was cross, however, separate his empire had to make serious concessions. in 1921, it recognized the solve the 1st as the king of a rack and gave part of the power to representatives of the local population via racket. revolt marked the beginning of the national consolidation of the country

and became an important milestone on the way to the final independence. i met representative of sites of the rally in washington, d. c. t introduced his dentist while i do. a gallery of mississippians who had travelled there to demand a new states flag held them by lawrence as i love this. and the thing is, you know, we had a discussion with a bunch of, i saw this flag and fell in love with this. and i really liked it when i found out that the design of the lord is dennis lauren is the grand. busy i'll send it to john stated he represented during the time of jim crow where they thought that separate but equal was okay. is just so important to me to excel